Xbox 360 is the best system to have

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"]

[QUOTE="alexfla"]

Plenty good for YOU but you probably don't play graphically intensive games.

For most it would defeat it's purpose to be a PC gamer only to play with medium settings.

alexfla

And then every other game I run is completely maxed out, at a fairly good resolution too :?

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"]

[QUOTE="alexfla"]

Plenty good for YOU but you probably don't play graphically intensive games.

For most it would defeat it's purpose to be a PC gamer only to play with medium settings.

alexfla

And then every other game I run is completely maxed out, at a fairly good resolution too :?

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

y'know what bugs me further? that they never seem to include an operating system in that, or a gaming mouse and gaming kb, and a monitor, and a sound system.

lundy86_4

I've seen it done, whilst including an OS.

You don't need to include the cost of a monitor, lest we include the cost of a TV with consoles... Or speakers for that matter.

i guess if you want to reuse your old monitor that's fine my guess is most people don't want to drop money in a new pc then hook it up to that 17 inch crt dinosaur or old primitive 15 lcd that has crappy resolution.

i'm sure people may do just that but i have never done it, not one single time, new state of the art pc means new state of the art monitor to take advantage of it.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="alexfla"]

But then again, a cheap PC is not so good.

alexfla

For 1/3 of that price you can easily max out every single PC game to date

[QUOTE="alexfla"]

Even with a $2,000 PC, you can't max out every single PC game to date. Most but not every game.

With a $666 PC you're going to play on medium mostly.

lundy86_4

Actually... That's completely wrong. Most budget builds i've seen for around that price would actually be able to run *a lot* of games on high/max settings. More intensive games, are in the minority, and thus you could run *more* reasonably well.

This cost me £65, which is the same price as night out on a friday :P

that's bad logic, i have never bought a new tv for any console i have ever owned. i have never NOT replaced my crappy old boring monitor when i put together a new gaming rig.

i guess if you want to reuse your old monitor that's fine my guess is most people don't want to drop money in a new pc then hook it up to that 17 inch crt dinosaur or old primitive 15 lcd that has crappy resolution.

i'm sure people may do just that but i have never done it, not one single time, new state of the art pc means new state of the art monitor to take advantage of it.

Riverwolf007

How is the logic bad? You never bought a HDTV for your current consoles? Why not just hook up your PC to your HDTV at 720p or 1008p? What *you* have done also isn't relevant to the argument.

[QUOTE="alexfla"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"] A $2000 PC isnt a Gaming PC, Its a PC used for time travel and other ridiculously complex stuff.

For 1/3 of that price you can easily max out every single PC game to date

ferret-gamer

In my mind, anyone who builds a PC today is doing so to play 2010 and beyond games.

I guess you can build a cheap PC to run 2006 games maxed out and be happy but it just doesn't make sense to me.

alexfla

What makes your mind correct? In my mind unicorns exist and I ride a magic dragon. Reasons to build a PC are numerous and varied.

Also, a $600 PC could run many *modern* games at max or near maxed out if you shop well. Seriously, just stop this argument as my side has been proved plenty on this board. Yours? Not so much.... Kinda failed every time.

[QUOTE="alexfla"]

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

I'll play the preference card and say the PS3 is the best system if you can only afford one console

dvalo9

Just a shade over £600

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[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

that's bad logic, i have never bought a new tv for any console i have ever owned. i have never NOT replaced my crappy old boring monitor when i put together a new gaming rig.

i guess if you want to reuse your old monitor that's fine my guess is most people don't want to drop money in a new pc then hook it up to that 17 inch crt dinosaur or old primitive 15 lcd that has crappy resolution.

i'm sure people may do just that but i have never done it, not one single time, new state of the art pc means new state of the art monitor to take advantage of it.

lundy86_4

How is the logic bad? You never bought a HDTV for your current consoles? Why not just hook up your PC to your HDTV at 720p or 1008p? What *you* have done also isn't relevant to the argument.

what i do is and why it is relevant is because my experence is typical of a casual and this entire topic and sw itself (and almost every single topic on it btw since it came up) is all about what *you* would do.

all i'm trying to say is that most people are going to spend more money than what pc lobbyists say they will.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

y'know what bugs me about the scads of dudes telling me a gaming pc is $600 is that they are absolutely correct.

y'know what bugs me further? that they never seem to include an operating system in that, or a gaming mouse and gaming kb, and a monitor, and a sound system.

seriously guys omitting the details is still lying by omission.

so yeah did the guy exaggerate by saying $2000? yeah sure he did, but he didn't exaggerate by much depending on the quality of the extras you wan to buy.

i would say i easily have almost $2000 tied upin my pc setup, yeah i like big monitors and surround sound sue me.

Skittles_McGee

the exchange rate says 630 pounds sterling is almost $1000 in USD.

[QUOTE="alexfla"]

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"] Uh. What? Crysis and Shattered Horizon aren't graphically intensive? I run both of those pretty much maxed (actually, Crysis can run maxed if I so desire, with a couple more hiccups in the framerate). :?

And then every other game I run is completely maxed out, at a fairly good resolution too :?

ferret-gamer

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

y'know what bugs me about the scads of dudes telling me a gaming pc is $600 is that they are absolutely correct.

y'know what bugs me further? that they never seem to include an operating system in that, or a gaming mouse and gaming kb, and a monitor, and a sound system.

seriously guys omitting the details is still lying by omission.

so yeah did the guy exaggerate by saying $2000? yeah sure he did, but he didn't exaggerate by much depending on the quality of the extras you wan to buy.

i would say i easily have almost $2000 tied upin my pc setup, yeah i like big monitors and surround sound sue me.

alexfla

the exchange rate says 630 pounds sterling is almost $1000 in USD.

Riverwolf007

This cost me £65, which is the same price as night out on a friday :P

clyde46

i bought my tv to watch tv. i buy a monitor to use with my pc. how can you not understand what i'm trying to say here.

what i do is and why it is relevant is because my experence is typical of a casual and this entire topic and sw itself (and almost every single topic on it btw since it came up) is all about what *you* would do.

all i'm trying to say is that most people are going to spend more money than what pc lobbyists say they will.

Riverwolf007

I understand what you're saying. There are reasonable alternative. Actually your experience does not matter much as it doesn't transfer over to the majority -- unless you're saying you do exactly the same as everybody else. Also, like I said, hook it up to the TV that you bought to watch TV. The whole point is destroyed then.

I agree they will likely spend more, but the option to spend less *is* there and is reasonable.

[QUOTE="clyde46"]

This cost me £65, which is the same price as night out on a friday :P

alexfla

[QUOTE="alexfla"]

In my mind, anyone who builds a PC today is doing so to play 2010 and beyond games.

I guess you can build a cheap PC to run 2006 games maxed out and be happy but it just doesn't make sense to me.

lundy86_4

What makes your mind correct? In my mind unicorns exist and I ride a magic dragon. Reasons to build a PC are numerous and varied.

Also, a $600 PC could run many *modern* games at max or near maxed out if you shop well. Seriously, just stop this argument as my side has been proved plenty on this board. Yours? Not so much.... Kinda failed every time.

For example, a $600 PC cannot run A SINGLE GAME IN DX11 on max settings. In late 2010 and of course all throughout 2011, all games will have a DX11 build and this cheap PC will not be able to max out ANY of them. Not even 1.

So yes, enjoy gaming in medium DX10 settings.

alexfla

You know all games will utilize DX11? Considering the difficulty it took to transition to DX10, as people are way too comfortable with XP?

Above medium. You were proven wrong so you try and move the goal posts.

i dunno about anybody else but i have yet to stop enjoying my 360

i guess it's a nice console to fall back on when i'm tired of messing around on my ps3 or wii, and it does have some great exclusives, also XBLA is imo the best downloadable service between it and PSN and Wiiware

i mean despite owning a gaming PC and a 360 and a PS3 and a Wii, i've still bought quite a few games for the 360 this year, supposedly the worst year of the 360 (which i totally disagree with, 2010 has been good to the 360, 2009 was the worst)

[QUOTE="alexfla"]

For example, a $600 PC cannot run A SINGLE GAME IN DX11 on max settings. In late 2010 and of course all throughout 2011, all games will have a DX11 build and this cheap PC will not be able to max out ANY of them. Not even 1.

So yes, enjoy gaming in medium DX10 settings.

lundy86_4

You know all games will utilize DX11? Considering the difficulty it took to transition to DX10, as people are way too comfortable with XP?

Above medium. You were proven wrong so you try and move the goal posts.

Just a shade over £600

clyde46

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

the exchange rate says 630 pounds sterling is almost $1000 in USD.

clyde46

i was going to ask you wth happened to the freaking pound.

i rem when thatsucker used to be like 1BP to 2.75USD. it's the end of empire what what!

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My old 4670 could run DoW2 on high at 1680x1050 so your right, he is wrong.

clyde46

I just don't understand this whole argument. At first it was to max games, now we have to max in DX11? It's perfectly reasonable to max a game in DX10, just lacking DX11 features. Likely many devs won't take advantage of DX11 fully for a long time anyways.

i'm not from canada! :P

i was going to ask you wth happened to the freaking pound.

i rem when thatsucker used to be like 1BP to 2.75USD. it's the end of empire what what!

Riverwolf007

The pound transfer is brutal right now. I grew up in the UK and live in Canada now, and moving money over is awful ATM.

[QUOTE="clyde46"]

Just a shade over £600

alexfla

[QUOTE="clyde46"]

My old 4670 could run DoW2 on high at 1680x1050 so your right, he is wrong.

lundy86_4

I just don't understand this whole argument. At first it was to max games, now we have to max in DX11? It's perfectly reasonable to max a game in DX10, just lacking DX11 features. Likely many devs won't take advantage of DX11 fully for a long time anyways.

[QUOTE="clyde46"]

My old 4670 could run DoW2 on high at 1680x1050 so your right, he is wrong.

lundy86_4

I just don't understand this whole argument. At first it was to max games, now we have to max in DX11? It's perfectly reasonable to max a game in DX10, just lacking DX11 features. Likely many devs won't take advantage of DX11 fully for a long time anyways.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"]

My old 4670 could run DoW2 on high at 1680x1050 so your right, he is wrong.

alexfla

I just don't understand this whole argument. At first it was to max games, now we have to max in DX11? It's perfectly reasonable to max a game in DX10, just lacking DX11 features. Likely many devs won't take advantage of DX11 fully for a long time anyways.

For $617.92you get:

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ferret-gamer

Apart from improved tessellation, what else does DX11 offer. DX10 is fine for me.clyde46

Not a clue my friend, not a clue... I will likely stick with DX10 for a while.

Max graphics are MAX, the best available. How do you just disregard the DX11 build just because your old cheap videocard doesn't run it? Maybe to win an argument on the internet but in reality most people just buy a DX11 card and be done with it.

alexfla

Not necessarily. You can max a game in DX10 quite easily. Currently there aren't many DX11 features even being used, apart from things like tessellation, which are really a moot point in terms of necessity.

I don't disregard DX11, just your argument becausde you keep changing it. Now we're insulting inanimate objects in my rig :lol: This thread just became awesome. Maybe you and my 4870 wanna go in one on one for a fight, eh?

"Most" people don't do anything until you provide proof. You have no idea what most people do.

Epic thread is epic.

[QUOTE="alexfla"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"]

Just a shade over £600

clyde46

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="alexfla"]

I can't even tell what video card that is? ANd that processor is years old and a piece of crap. An Athlon II X4 costs less than $100 and is much better than that. And it fits in the new AM3 slot.

Anyway, what videocard is that?

alexfla

[QUOTE="alexfla"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"] Well, its an overclocked bundle and in that, you get a decent motherboard, CPU, CPU cooler and RAM. Not bad for £250. Also unless you have difficulty reading. It says VTX ATI Radeon 1024mb 5770.clyde46

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]

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alexfla

[QUOTE="clyde46"]

[QUOTE="alexfla"]

Ok I saw it's a 5770. That's a decent card but it's not good enough to max out DX 11 games. Sorry.

alexfla

[QUOTE="alexfla"]

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]

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ferret-gamer