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dude you guys are idiots...Mass Effect and Halo 3 will only give a little boost in the 360 sales since alot of people who want xbox already has it....also....ps3 sold about 1.5 million consoles in 4 months...the guys calculations above is a marketing estimate which many companies take into considerationlimitbreak32
[QUOTE="InfamousC"][QUOTE="MrGrimFandango"][QUOTE="InfamousC"]Declining? what were the sales last January?
Paktahn
M$ shipped 4 million consoles from Jan. 2006 to June 2006. And now are only going to ship 1.6 million in the same time frame.
Sold numbers are far more important than shipped and the PS3 has yet to outsell the 360 according to NPD. In Japan is has according to media create but not by so much that it offsets the difference since the 360 sold significantly better in the US than PS3 during some months. Sony has shipped about 4 million but even the most generous estimates put their sales at under 2 million.
We still don't have the sales numbers for February.
It still outsold the new PS3 in the month of January by like 50k.Don't say because it has no games, because remember Sony saying that "we can sell 5 million consoles without even games". I remember that from somewhere.giantsfan91
If we include Japan in the discussion than the PS3 outsold the 360 in the month of January. Don't say because it has no games because remember Sony will probably reach 5 million sold before it gets it's first AAA title.
Then that AAA must be pretty far away, as seeing how the PS3 is selling. And even with Europe, it'll take them a couple of months to reach 5 million, but it eventually will.
[QUOTE="InfamousC"]M$ lowered their sales forecast for this June down to 12 million consoles shipped by then. Down from the 13-15 million originally estimated. Why isn't it selling? It is the same price as PS2 $300. PS2 shipped 28 million consoles in 2 years. Very impressive numbers considering that for the first 9 months of it's life cycle it was exclusive in Japan. M$ will be lucky to sell 15 million 360s before years end. SystemWarsMani think you are a blind fanboy and are jealous of Lemmings =)
No I just see things for what they are.
[QUOTE="InfamousC"]M$ lowered their sales forecast for this June down to 12 million consoles shipped by then. Down from the 13-15 million originally estimated. Why isn't it selling? It is the same price as PS2 $300. PS2 shipped 28 million consoles in 2 years. Very impressive numbers considering that for the first 9 months of it's life cycle it was exclusive in Japan. M$ will be lucky to sell 15 million 360s before years end. SystemWarsMani think you are a blind fanboy and are jealous of Lemmings =)
thats actually not true...i live in illinois and my cousin works at best buy....its about 5 months after it's been launched and ps3 is still in demand over here in upper illinois...i see alot of 360s on the shelves when i only see about 2 ps3's on shelves and the guy usually says the stockroom is empty of them
[QUOTE="giantsfan91"]It still outsold the new PS3 in the month of January by like 50k.Don't say because it has no games, because remember Sony saying that "we can sell 5 million consoles without even games". I remember that from somewhere.xLegend24
If we include Japan in the discussion than the PS3 outsold the 360 in the month of January. Don't say because it has no games because remember Sony will probably reach 5 million sold before it gets it's first AAA title.
Then that AAA must be pretty far away, as seeing how the PS3 is selling. And even with Europe, it'll take them a couple of months to reach 5 million, but it eventually will.
Actually we get our first 3A title next month. Oblivion :D
It still outsold the new PS3 in the month of January by like 50k.Don't say because it has no games, because remember Sony saying that "we can sell 5 million consoles without even games". I remember that from somewhere.giantsfan91
If we include Japan in the discussion than the PS3 outsold the 360 in the month of January. Don't say because it has no games because remember Sony will probably reach 5 million sold before it gets it's first AAA title.
PS3 is flopping in Japan harder than it is in the US. The sales difference isn't so great it's going to make up for US and European 360 sales combined. Wii is the big seller in Japan and is almost selling as well as the PS2 was this soon after launch, while PS3 sales are more similar to DC sales in Japan.
http://www.vgcharts.org/japconscomps.php?name1=Wii&name2=PS2&type=0&align=0
http://www.vgcharts.org/japconscomps.php?name1=DC&name2=PS3&type=0&align=0
M$ lowered their sales forecast for this June down to 12 million consoles shipped by then. Down from the 13-15 million originally estimated. Why isn't it selling? It is the same price as PS2 $300. PS2 shipped 28 million consoles in 2 years. Very impressive numbers considering that for the first 9 months of it's life cycle it was exclusive in Japan. M$ will be lucky to sell 15 million 360s before years end. InfamousCSo all those retailers bought Xbox360's for their store shelves because it isn't selling? Riiiiiight.
[QUOTE="xLegend24"][QUOTE="giantsfan91"]It still outsold the new PS3 in the month of January by like 50k.Don't say because it has no games, because remember Sony saying that "we can sell 5 million consoles without even games". I remember that from somewhere.InfamousC
If we include Japan in the discussion than the PS3 outsold the 360 in the month of January. Don't say because it has no games because remember Sony will probably reach 5 million sold before it gets it's first AAA title.
Then that AAA must be pretty far away, as seeing how the PS3 is selling. And even with Europe, it'll take them a couple of months to reach 5 million, but it eventually will.
Actually we get our first 3A title next month. Oblivion :D
I don't think the PS3 will sell 5 million consoles before that like the guy above me said. But, who knows. Have fun with that year old port.
[QUOTE="giantsfan91"]It still outsold the new PS3 in the month of January by like 50k.Don't say because it has no games, because remember Sony saying that "we can sell 5 million consoles without even games". I remember that from somewhere.Paktahn
If we include Japan in the discussion than the PS3 outsold the 360 in the month of January. Don't say because it has no games because remember Sony will probably reach 5 million sold before it gets it's first AAA title.
PS3 is flopping in Japan harder than it is in the US. The sales difference isn't so great it's going to make up for US and European 360 sales combined. Wii is the big seller in Japan and is almost selling as well as the PS2 was this soon after launch, while PS3 sales are more similar to DC sales in Japan.
http://www.vgcharts.org/japconscomps.php?name1=Wii&name2=PS2&type=0&align=0
http://www.vgcharts.org/japconscomps.php?name1=DC&name2=PS3&type=0&align=0
It sold about 100k units for Jan. Do you honeslty think the sales will stay this low once big hitters like FFXIII, Devil May Cry, Resident Evil 5, and Metal Gear Solid come out?
[QUOTE="InfamousC"]M$ lowered their sales forecast for this June down to 12 million consoles shipped by then. Down from the 13-15 million originally estimated. Why isn't it selling? It is the same price as PS2 $300. PS2 shipped 28 million consoles in 2 years. Very impressive numbers considering that for the first 9 months of it's life cycle it was exclusive in Japan. M$ will be lucky to sell 15 million 360s before years end. BgrngodSo all those retailers bought Xbox360's for their store shelves because it isn't selling? Riiiiiight.
They bought them but now they can't get rid of them. Why do you think M$ lowered it's shipment forecast? Because they shipped to many consoles to retailers too fast.
M$ lowered their sales forecast for this June down to 12 million consoles shipped by then. Down from the 13-15 million originally estimated. Why isn't it selling? It is the same price as PS2 $300. PS2 shipped 28 million consoles in 2 years. Very impressive numbers considering that for the first 9 months of it's life cycle it was exclusive in Japan. M$ will be lucky to sell 15 million 360s before years end. InfamousCthey've dropped the forecast because they're preparing for the revised 360 + HDMI system. think, people.
[QUOTE="InfamousC"]M$ lowered their sales forecast for this June down to 12 million consoles shipped by then. Down from the 13-15 million originally estimated. Why isn't it selling? It is the same price as PS2 $300. PS2 shipped 28 million consoles in 2 years. Very impressive numbers considering that for the first 9 months of it's life cycle it was exclusive in Japan. M$ will be lucky to sell 15 million 360s before years end. Dreams-Visionsthey've dropped the forecast because they're preparing for the revised 360 + HDMI system. think, people.
That's a rumor until it has been confirmed it will be nothing more.
i think you are a blind fanboy and are jealous of Lemmings =)[QUOTE="SystemWarsMan"][QUOTE="InfamousC"]M$ lowered their sales forecast for this June down to 12 million consoles shipped by then. Down from the 13-15 million originally estimated. Why isn't it selling? It is the same price as PS2 $300. PS2 shipped 28 million consoles in 2 years. Very impressive numbers considering that for the first 9 months of it's life cycle it was exclusive in Japan. M$ will be lucky to sell 15 million 360s before years end. limitbreak32
thats actually not true...i live in illinois and my cousin works at best buy....its about 5 months after it's been launched and ps3 is still in demand over here in upper illinois...i see alot of 360s on the shelves when i only see about 2 ps3's on shelves and the guy usually says the stockroom is empty of them
PS3 went on sale in November. That was a tad longer then 3 months ago. This is February...... So since 360's are not "out-of-stock" they aren't selling? How much would MS get slammed if they EVER ran out of stock over a year after the consoles release? Did your cousin at Best Buy tell you how many PS3's they get in each week? If the PS3 as well as you say, then why would they still have 2 on the shelf? Wouldn't they sell out? Or are you telling me that the PS3's are selling at the exact same rate that they get in in stock so accurately that they always have around 2 on the shelves at any time? And last I checked Best Buy doesn't even have a "shelf" that they put the consoles in. They have a small glass case that can hold only 4-5 at the most. So seeing "alot" of 360's on shelves is a load of crap. Those are probably empty display boxes. Both consoles are selling quite well for their respective times in their life cycles. The Xbox360 is getting great numbers for a system that has been out a year and has the handful of blockbusters available, and the PS3 is selling perfectly fine for a launch console that is about to start dropping more noteable titles.It will once the PS3 releases in Europe. As far as the Wii, it's the big seller everywhere. That doesn't make up for the fact that the 360 is doing much worse than the PS3 in Japan.PS3 is flopping in Japan harder than it is in the US. The sales difference isn't so great it's going to make up for US and European 360 sales combined. Wii is the big seller in Japan and is almost selling as well as the PS2 was this soon after launch, while PS3 sales are more similar to DC sales in Japan.
http://www.vgcharts.org/japconscomps.php?name1=Wii&name2=PS2&type=0&align=0
http://www.vgcharts.org/japconscomps.php?name1=DC&name2=PS3&type=0&align=0
[QUOTE="Paktahn"][QUOTE="giantsfan91"]It still outsold the new PS3 in the month of January by like 50k.Don't say because it has no games, because remember Sony saying that "we can sell 5 million consoles without even games". I remember that from somewhere.InfamousC
If we include Japan in the discussion than the PS3 outsold the 360 in the month of January. Don't say because it has no games because remember Sony will probably reach 5 million sold before it gets it's first AAA title.
PS3 is flopping in Japan harder than it is in the US. The sales difference isn't so great it's going to make up for US and European 360 sales combined. Wii is the big seller in Japan and is almost selling as well as the PS2 was this soon after launch, while PS3 sales are more similar to DC sales in Japan.
http://www.vgcharts.org/japconscomps.php?name1=Wii&name2=PS2&type=0&align=0
http://www.vgcharts.org/japconscomps.php?name1=DC&name2=PS3&type=0&align=0
It sold about 100k units for Jan. Do you honeslty think the sales will stay this low once big hitters like FFXIII, Devil May Cry, Resident Evil 5, and Metal Gear Solid come out?
The only one of those coming out this year is DMC... If you think DMC this year is enough to push Sony in the lead..Your a sad sad cow...M$ lowered their sales forecast for this June down to 12 million consoles shipped by then. Down from the 13-15 million originally estimated. Why isn't it selling? It is the same price as PS2 $300. PS2 shipped 28 million consoles in 2 years. Very impressive numbers considering that for the first 9 months of it's life cycle it was exclusive in Japan. M$ will be lucky to sell 15 million 360s before years end. InfamousCAnd this just in, but not really... PS3 is having even slower sales! *gasps*
[QUOTE="limitbreak32"]i think you are a blind fanboy and are jealous of Lemmings =)[QUOTE="SystemWarsMan"][QUOTE="InfamousC"]M$ lowered their sales forecast for this June down to 12 million consoles shipped by then. Down from the 13-15 million originally estimated. Why isn't it selling? It is the same price as PS2 $300. PS2 shipped 28 million consoles in 2 years. Very impressive numbers considering that for the first 9 months of it's life cycle it was exclusive in Japan. M$ will be lucky to sell 15 million 360s before years end. Bgrngod
thats actually not true...i live in illinois and my cousin works at best buy....its about 5 months after it's been launched and ps3 is still in demand over here in upper illinois...i see alot of 360s on the shelves when i only see about 2 ps3's on shelves and the guy usually says the stockroom is empty of them
PS3 went on sale in November. That was a tad longer then 3 months ago. This is February...... So since 360's are not "out-of-stock" they aren't selling? How much would MS get slammed if they EVER ran out of stock over a year after the consoles release? Did your cousin at Best Buy tell you how many PS3's they get in each week? If the PS3 as well as you say, then why would they still have 2 on the shelf? Wouldn't they sell out? Or are you telling me that the PS3's are selling at the exact same rate that they get in in stock so accurately that they always have around 2 on the shelves at any time? And last I checked Best Buy doesn't even have a "shelf" that they put the consoles in. They have a small glass case that can hold only 4-5 at the most. So seeing "alot" of 360's on shelves is a load of crap. Those are probably empty display boxes. Both consoles are selling quite well for their respective times in their life cycles. The Xbox360 is getting great numbers for a system that has been out a year and has the handful of blockbusters available, and the PS3 is selling perfectly fine for a launch console that is about to start dropping more noteable titles.Well I don't know where you live but my Best Buy just places them on the shelve to. They do have glass cases also to.
It will once the PS3 releases in Europe. As far as the Wii, it's the big seller everywhere. That doesn't make up for the fact that the 360 is doing much worse than the PS3 in Japan.PS3 is flopping in Japan harder than it is in the US. The sales difference isn't so great it's going to make up for US and European 360 sales combined. Wii is the big seller in Japan and is almost selling as well as the PS2 was this soon after launch, while PS3 sales are more similar to DC sales in Japan.
http://www.vgcharts.org/japconscomps.php?name1=Wii&name2=PS2&type=0&align=0
http://www.vgcharts.org/japconscomps.php?name1=DC&name2=PS3&type=0&align=0
giantsfan91
Maybe during the launch month but I don't think the PS3 will be outselling the 360 in future months (lets wait and see). Also I used the Wii and the PS3 to show that sales for the PS3 are low in Japan. If the PS3 was selling like the PS2 or Wii in Japan I would agree that it would be enough to offset any potential gains MS might make in Europe or the US but it's not and Japan wasn't enough to make the DC or GC sell more than the original Xbox worldwide.
[QUOTE="InfamousC"]PS3 is flopping in Japan harder than it is in the US. The sales difference isn't so great it's going to make up for US and European 360 sales combined. Wii is the big seller in Japan and is almost selling as well as the PS2 was this soon after launch, while PS3 sales are more similar to DC sales in Japan.
http://www.vgcharts.org/japconscomps.php?name1=Wii&name2=PS2&type=0&align=0
http://www.vgcharts.org/japconscomps.php?name1=DC&name2=PS3&type=0&align=0
vistamanV5
It sold about 100k units for Jan. Do you honeslty think the sales will stay this low once big hitters like FFXIII, Devil May Cry, Resident Evil 5, and Metal Gear Solid come out?
The only one of those coming out this year is DMC... If you think DMC this year is enough to push Sony in the lead..Your a sad sad cow...I never said that but the sales will increase once this game hits.
they've dropped the forecast because they're preparing for the revised 360 + HDMI system. think, people.[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="InfamousC"]M$ lowered their sales forecast for this June down to 12 million consoles shipped by then. Down from the 13-15 million originally estimated. Why isn't it selling? It is the same price as PS2 $300. PS2 shipped 28 million consoles in 2 years. Very impressive numbers considering that for the first 9 months of it's life cycle it was exclusive in Japan. M$ will be lucky to sell 15 million 360s before years end. InfamousC
That's a rumor until it has been confirmed it will be nothing more.
what's a rumor? the HDMI system is not a rumor. It can be a rumor in your small world, but I'm a grown man, a computer engineer, and a friend of several Microsoft employees (former college engineering classmates). One of them told me straight up that he doesn't own a 360 and he WON'T until the HDMI version comes out. now then, you can live in whatever world you want to, but I know for a damn fact that it's coming. You can accept this post or not. I'd recommend you just accept it. I tell no lies here. Ask someone about me. That's simply what time it is. /THREAD.[QUOTE="InfamousC"]they've dropped the forecast because they're preparing for the revised 360 + HDMI system. think, people.[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="InfamousC"]M$ lowered their sales forecast for this June down to 12 million consoles shipped by then. Down from the 13-15 million originally estimated. Why isn't it selling? It is the same price as PS2 $300. PS2 shipped 28 million consoles in 2 years. Very impressive numbers considering that for the first 9 months of it's life cycle it was exclusive in Japan. M$ will be lucky to sell 15 million 360s before years end. Dreams-Visions
That's a rumor until it has been confirmed it will be nothing more.
what's a rumor? the HDMI system is not a rumor. It can be a rumor in your small world, but I'm a grown man, a computer engineer, and a friend of several Microsoft employees (former college engineering classmates). One of them told me straight up that he doesn't own a 360 and he WON'T until the HDMI version comes out. now then, you can live in whatever world you want to, but I know for a damn fact that it's coming. You can accept this post or not. I'd recommend you just accept it. I tell no lies here. Ask someone about me. That's simply what time it is. /THREAD. If MS doesn't say anything about it at E3 then we can all just assume it's a hoax.[QUOTE="InfamousC"]they've dropped the forecast because they're preparing for the revised 360 + HDMI system. think, people.[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="InfamousC"]M$ lowered their sales forecast for this June down to 12 million consoles shipped by then. Down from the 13-15 million originally estimated. Why isn't it selling? It is the same price as PS2 $300. PS2 shipped 28 million consoles in 2 years. Very impressive numbers considering that for the first 9 months of it's life cycle it was exclusive in Japan. M$ will be lucky to sell 15 million 360s before years end. Dreams-Visions
That's a rumor until it has been confirmed it will be nothing more.
what's a rumor? the HDMI system is not a rumor. It can be a rumor in your small world, but I'm a grown man, a computer engineer, and a friend of several Microsoft employees (former college engineering classmates). One of them told me straight up that he doesn't own a 360 and he WON'T until the HDMI version comes out. now then, you can live in whatever world you want to, but I know for a damn fact that it's coming. You can accept this post or not. I'd recommend you just accept it. I tell no lies here. Ask someone about me. That's simply what time it is. /THREAD.Yeah, just like Wii was suppose to do stereoscopic 3D and come with 3D glasses. But I take your word for it since your an engineer and all. :roll:
[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="InfamousC"]they've dropped the forecast because they're preparing for the revised 360 + HDMI system. think, people.[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="InfamousC"]M$ lowered their sales forecast for this June down to 12 million consoles shipped by then. Down from the 13-15 million originally estimated. Why isn't it selling? It is the same price as PS2 $300. PS2 shipped 28 million consoles in 2 years. Very impressive numbers considering that for the first 9 months of it's life cycle it was exclusive in Japan. M$ will be lucky to sell 15 million 360s before years end. InfamousC
That's a rumor until it has been confirmed it will be nothing more.
what's a rumor? the HDMI system is not a rumor. It can be a rumor in your small world, but I'm a grown man, a computer engineer, and a friend of several Microsoft employees (former college engineering classmates). One of them told me straight up that he doesn't own a 360 and he WON'T until the HDMI version comes out. now then, you can live in whatever world you want to, but I know for a damn fact that it's coming. You can accept this post or not. I'd recommend you just accept it. I tell no lies here. Ask someone about me. That's simply what time it is. /THREAD.Yeah, just like Wii was suppose to do stereoscopic 3D and come with 3D glasses. But I take your word for it since your an engineer and all. :roll:
lol okay man. I guess people will never see the forest for the trees. whatever helps you sleep at night or whatever. if you want my credentials, simply P.M. me. otherwise, we have nothing more to say to each other. I can't stand people who prefer stupidity over becoming informed.I'm not sure how Europe factors in. If any console has done well there it's Sony. M$ will be hard pressed to sell better than Sony in Europe. The best I can see M$ doing in Europe is matching Sony which would leave Japan to decide the "winner" between M$ and Sony.Maybe during the launch month but I don't think the PS3 will be outselling the 360 in future months (lets wait and see). Also I used the Wii and the PS3 to show that sales for the PS3 are low in Japan. If the PS3 was selling like the PS2 or Wii in Japan I would agree that it would be enough to offset any potential gains MS might make in Europe or the US but it's not and Japan wasn't enough to make the DC or GC sell more than the original Xbox worldwide.
Anyways, I could care less about numbers as I own both. I just think it's funny that the 360 is outselling the PS3 by 50k in it's number one market which equals a win, when it cones to the PS3's domination over M$ in it's number one market it's "the Wii's doing better than the PS3".
[QUOTE="InfamousC"]they've dropped the forecast because they're preparing for the revised 360 + HDMI system. think, people.[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="InfamousC"]M$ lowered their sales forecast for this June down to 12 million consoles shipped by then. Down from the 13-15 million originally estimated. Why isn't it selling? It is the same price as PS2 $300. PS2 shipped 28 million consoles in 2 years. Very impressive numbers considering that for the first 9 months of it's life cycle it was exclusive in Japan. M$ will be lucky to sell 15 million 360s before years end. Dreams-Visions
That's a rumor until it has been confirmed it will be nothing more.
what's a rumor? the HDMI system is not a rumor. It can be a rumor in your small world, but I'm a grown man, a computer engineer, and a friend of several Microsoft employees (former college engineering classmates). One of them told me straight up that he doesn't own a 360 and he WON'T until the HDMI version comes out. now then, you can live in whatever world you want to, but I know for a damn fact that it's coming. You can accept this post or not. I'd recommend you just accept it. I tell no lies here. Ask someone about me. That's simply what time it is. /THREAD. im just gonna copy and paste my old post on page 2 cus i dont want to wast my time on a person like you... they want to purge the market of $300 and $400 SKUs for a more expensive nearly $500 model? thats the most ignorant thing i ever read :lol: when nintendo and apple purged the market for new versions of the ipod and DS they were bringing in improved products that were cheaper, not just a new coat of paint and extra space lol courtesy of ur daddy ;)[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="InfamousC"]they've dropped the forecast because they're preparing for the revised 360 + HDMI system. think, people.[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="InfamousC"]M$ lowered their sales forecast for this June down to 12 million consoles shipped by then. Down from the 13-15 million originally estimated. Why isn't it selling? It is the same price as PS2 $300. PS2 shipped 28 million consoles in 2 years. Very impressive numbers considering that for the first 9 months of it's life cycle it was exclusive in Japan. M$ will be lucky to sell 15 million 360s before years end. Bgrngod
That's a rumor until it has been confirmed it will be nothing more.
what's a rumor? the HDMI system is not a rumor. It can be a rumor in your small world, but I'm a grown man, a computer engineer, and a friend of several Microsoft employees (former college engineering classmates). One of them told me straight up that he doesn't own a 360 and he WON'T until the HDMI version comes out. now then, you can live in whatever world you want to, but I know for a damn fact that it's coming. You can accept this post or not. I'd recommend you just accept it. I tell no lies here. Ask someone about me. That's simply what time it is. /THREAD. If MS doesn't say anything about it at E3 then we can all just assume it's a hoax. there is no hoax to be spoken of. it's a simple fact. I don't know if the HDMI version will come with a 120GB HD. that's all speculation. what I have confirmed without any doubt whatsoever is the fact that an HDMI version is coming. that's all there is to it. further conversation as to whether it exists or not is like getting into a debate as to whether water exists. I've never told one lie on these forums and never will. But again, I understand this is an internet forum and some people will post strange stuff. I'll simply say again: 6,000+ posts, and more in other forums. Pretty much spotless posting record. P.M. me if you care to know who I am. Otherwise, take my word for it. HDMI version is coming, and I'll be replacing my November 2005 360 with one of those puppies. Cheers![QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="InfamousC"]they've dropped the forecast because they're preparing for the revised 360 + HDMI system. think, people.[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="InfamousC"]M$ lowered their sales forecast for this June down to 12 million consoles shipped by then. Down from the 13-15 million originally estimated. Why isn't it selling? It is the same price as PS2 $300. PS2 shipped 28 million consoles in 2 years. Very impressive numbers considering that for the first 9 months of it's life cycle it was exclusive in Japan. M$ will be lucky to sell 15 million 360s before years end. Me-Ur-Daddy
That's a rumor until it has been confirmed it will be nothing more.
what's a rumor? the HDMI system is not a rumor. It can be a rumor in your small world, but I'm a grown man, a computer engineer, and a friend of several Microsoft employees (former college engineering classmates). One of them told me straight up that he doesn't own a 360 and he WON'T until the HDMI version comes out. now then, you can live in whatever world you want to, but I know for a damn fact that it's coming. You can accept this post or not. I'd recommend you just accept it. I tell no lies here. Ask someone about me. That's simply what time it is. /THREAD. im just gonna copy and paste my old post on page 2 cus i dont want to wast my time on a person like you... they want to purge the market of $300 and $400 SKUs for a more expensive nearly $500 model? thats the most ignorant thing i ever read :lol: when nintendo and apple purged the market for new versions of the ipod and DS they were bringing in improved products that were cheaper, not just a new coat of paint and extra space lol courtesy of ur daddy ;) I'm sorry? did I say the HDMI 360 was going to be $500? No, that's a rumor. the only thing I've said is that an HDMI 360 is coming. I didn't say what the price was going to be. I didn't say anything about HD size. That was what OTHER people have said. but I'm sure you paid enough attention to my posts to understand that, right? Yes, please waste no more of your time on me. You can't win in arguments against me anyway.I'm not sure how Europe factors in. If any console has done well there it's Sony. M$ will be hard pressed to sell better than Sony in Europe. The best I can see M$ doing in Europe is matching Sony which would leave Japan to decide the "winner" between M$ and Sony.Maybe during the launch month but I don't think the PS3 will be outselling the 360 in future months (lets wait and see). Also I used the Wii and the PS3 to show that sales for the PS3 are low in Japan. If the PS3 was selling like the PS2 or Wii in Japan I would agree that it would be enough to offset any potential gains MS might make in Europe or the US but it's not and Japan wasn't enough to make the DC or GC sell more than the original Xbox worldwide.
giantsfan91
Anyways, I could care less about numbers as I own both. I just think it's funny that the 360 is outselling the PS3 by 50k in it's number one market which equals a win, when it cones to the PS3's domination over M$ in it's number one market it's "the Wii's doing better than the PS3".
I'm not sure how Europe factors in. If any console has done well there it's Sony. M$ will be hard pressed to sell better than Sony in Europe. The best I can see M$ doing in Europe is matching Sony which would leave Japan to decide the "winner" between M$ and Sony.Maybe during the launch month but I don't think the PS3 will be outselling the 360 in future months (lets wait and see). Also I used the Wii and the PS2 to show that sales for the PS3 are low in Japan. If the PS3 was selling like the PS2 or Wii in Japan I would agree that it would be enough to offset any potential gains MS might make in Europe or the US but it's not and Japan wasn't enough to make the DC or GC sell more than the original Xbox worldwide.
giantsfan91
Anyways, I could care less about numbers as I own both. I just think it's funny that the 360 is outselling the PS3 by 50k in it's number one market which equals a win, when it cones to the PS3's domination over M$ in it's number one market it's "the Wii's doing better than the PS3".
The PS2 also sold the best in Japan last gen and everywhere else for that matter. Last gen sales do not translate into next gen sales otherwise the Nintendo will have continued to be the market leader after the SNES. With all the bad moves Sony is making Europe I can't see how it possibly could sell well. I live in the PAL market and this article sums up rather well how many gamers I have spoken to feel about the PS3. The hdtv uptake is also low in this market.
http://gamespot.com/features/6166437/index.html
[QUOTE="Me-Ur-Daddy"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="InfamousC"]they've dropped the forecast because they're preparing for the revised 360 + HDMI system. think, people.[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="InfamousC"]M$ lowered their sales forecast for this June down to 12 million consoles shipped by then. Down from the 13-15 million originally estimated. Why isn't it selling? It is the same price as PS2 $300. PS2 shipped 28 million consoles in 2 years. Very impressive numbers considering that for the first 9 months of it's life cycle it was exclusive in Japan. M$ will be lucky to sell 15 million 360s before years end. Dreams-Visions
That's a rumor until it has been confirmed it will be nothing more.
what's a rumor? the HDMI system is not a rumor. It can be a rumor in your small world, but I'm a grown man, a computer engineer, and a friend of several Microsoft employees (former college engineering classmates). One of them told me straight up that he doesn't own a 360 and he WON'T until the HDMI version comes out. now then, you can live in whatever world you want to, but I know for a damn fact that it's coming. You can accept this post or not. I'd recommend you just accept it. I tell no lies here. Ask someone about me. That's simply what time it is. /THREAD. im just gonna copy and paste my old post on page 2 cus i dont want to wast my time on a person like you... they want to purge the market of $300 and $400 SKUs for a more expensive nearly $500 model? thats the most ignorant thing i ever read :lol: when nintendo and apple purged the market for new versions of the ipod and DS they were bringing in improved products that were cheaper, not just a new coat of paint and extra space lol courtesy of ur daddy ;) I'm sorry? did I say the HDMI 360 was going to be $500? No, that's a rumor. the only thing I've said is that an HDMI 360 is coming. I didn't say what the price was going to be. I didn't say anything about HD size. That was what OTHER people have said. but I'm sure you paid enough attention to my posts to understand that, right? Yes, please waste no more of your time on me. You can't win in arguments against me anyway. im sorry i owned you so hard, but again its really ignorant to believe they downgraded manufacturing forecast in anticipation of a new console, that WILL be more expensive. if this comes to be true it only proves they are following sony, even down to the color of the system which is actually pretty funny. they add HDMI they add a bigger HDD, the make it black, they add 1080p resolution which they said wasnt needed. they spew out a HD-movie drive (that only supports a flopping format might i add) and they talk about throwing a blu-ray one on also. i wouldnt be so confident in a company that tends to follow another company instead of charging ahead on their own, sony takes chances and without taking chances you can never win.[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="Me-Ur-Daddy"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="InfamousC"]they've dropped the forecast because they're preparing for the revised 360 + HDMI system. think, people.[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="InfamousC"]M$ lowered their sales forecast for this June down to 12 million consoles shipped by then. Down from the 13-15 million originally estimated. Why isn't it selling? It is the same price as PS2 $300. PS2 shipped 28 million consoles in 2 years. Very impressive numbers considering that for the first 9 months of it's life cycle it was exclusive in Japan. M$ will be lucky to sell 15 million 360s before years end. Me-Ur-Daddy
That's a rumor until it has been confirmed it will be nothing more.
what's a rumor? the HDMI system is not a rumor. It can be a rumor in your small world, but I'm a grown man, a computer engineer, and a friend of several Microsoft employees (former college engineering classmates). One of them told me straight up that he doesn't own a 360 and he WON'T until the HDMI version comes out. now then, you can live in whatever world you want to, but I know for a damn fact that it's coming. You can accept this post or not. I'd recommend you just accept it. I tell no lies here. Ask someone about me. That's simply what time it is. /THREAD. im just gonna copy and paste my old post on page 2 cus i dont want to wast my time on a person like you... they want to purge the market of $300 and $400 SKUs for a more expensive nearly $500 model? thats the most ignorant thing i ever read :lol: when nintendo and apple purged the market for new versions of the ipod and DS they were bringing in improved products that were cheaper, not just a new coat of paint and extra space lol courtesy of ur daddy ;) I'm sorry? did I say the HDMI 360 was going to be $500? No, that's a rumor. the only thing I've said is that an HDMI 360 is coming. I didn't say what the price was going to be. I didn't say anything about HD size. That was what OTHER people have said. but I'm sure you paid enough attention to my posts to understand that, right? Yes, please waste no more of your time on me. You can't win in arguments against me anyway. im sorry i owned you so hard, but again its really ignorant to believe they downgraded manufacturing forecast in anticipation of a new console, that WILL be more expensive. if this comes to be true it only proves they are following sony, even down to the color of the system which is actually pretty funny. they add HDMI they add a bigger HDD, the make it black, they add 1080p resolution which they said wasnt needed. they spew out a HD-movie drive (that only supports a flopping format might i add) and they talk about throwing a blu-ray one on also. i wouldnt be so confident in a company that tends to follow the leader another company instead of charging ahead on their own, sony takes chances and without taking chances you can never win. you are basing your info on the same info everyone else is basing, the picture of the black dev 360 and the listing for a 120GB, hdmi, black zephyr on a website. do you think none of that stuff will come at an extra cost ? tell you what if this thing comes out and is more expensive than the $400 sku then you have been owned, if it doesnt come out sonn then you have been owned. we will wait and see who is right and if ur inside info is correct as you say. im bookmarking and i hope you leave in shame after you are owned cus i am very confident :)I agree. I just see it falling behind to far in the hardware department. That's the reason I haven't invested in one yet. I could see Nintendo using this as a test console for the Wi-mote. Why take a loss on expensive hardware if your experimenting with a new kind of gaming experience? I could see them being the first to release a "next generation" console if this whole motion sensing thing takes off.
Good point, the Wii shouldn't factor in the discussion of Xbox360 vs. PS3 sales right now, unless you want to say it's owning both of them because right now it is. I don't expect that to last much longer though.
I can't see them charging more for the new 360 than the current price of the premium. It's the only real advantage it has over Sony, everything else is debatable. What I do want to know is will the new 360 going to be required for IPTV?giantsfan91I tend to agree. Chances are good that they're still debating the final price in their board meetings. No doubt, Microsoft is trying to position themselves to really hurt SONY this coming holiday season with a Halo 3 launch...and maybe a price-drop to accompany it. other than the larger HD, I see no reason for a price uptick. I can't find a justification for it anywhere else. sometimes people forget that the whole point of revising and downsizing the chip size is so that you can REDUCE production costs, not add to them. when the new 360's launch, they'll be saving even more money (thus making more money in sales), which will put them in the position they want to be in to start with the price drops. should be a very interesting year.
oh, and NO, the new 360 won't be required for IPTV. that wouldn't be a sound business decision.Dreams-VisionsI've read in a few places that the 360's out now are not capable of using IPTV. Now it just so happens that M$ will release a new console. We'll see I guess.
Also I think they've not only reduced the size of the chip but I read somewhere that they've also reduced the cost of the DVD drive or they've become cheaper. I can't see them keeping the core sku around much longer. If anything I could see them maybe selling the Zypher for something like $450 if it has the larger HDD but dropping the price of the Premium to something like $350 and the core to $250 (if they keep it) or something along those lines.
its an xbox, duh?GermanShepard06duh?
Maybe, maybe not.
I don't want to think aobut it.
your thoughts seem orgaized, but I am an Xbox guy, so I would prefer more PS3 bad news and bashing please.
Thanks.
XTy
dont you get tired of fakeboying?
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