XBOX 360 lacking Blu-ray is worse than whatever the PS3 lacks combined

Yes, you read it right. I have watched many Blu-ray movies, and I aint going back to Standard Def. The graphics are so much better. So for all you fanboys fighting over which games look better by focusing on few pixels here and there, the difference from 480 (standard DVD) and 1080p (Blu-ray)--well, there's simply no contest there. Blu-ray wins, and is now widely believed to be the next movie format for the HD generation. So, going forward, for gamers who really care about graphics and for casuals who want to watch an HD movie on their HD TV, Blu-ray is a very good choice. By this Christmas onward, Blu-ray will become more and more popular in America and the world. As such, even gamers will start to appreciate Blu-ray, so much so that whatever the PS3 lacks now: custom sound track, HDMI cable, etc. is more than made up for by the usefulness of Blu-ray.

Now, I expect you lemmings to share your expert opinions, but if you have ever voiced your opinion in this forum about how you care about graphics, or about sound, then you must accept that Blu-ray is the way to go when watching HD movies on your HD TVs. HD downloads are much worse than Blu-ray. And if you also happen to like movies, then you must admit that Blu-ray is a very, very good addition to the PS3. So, XBOX 360 lacking Blu-ray is worse than....you know what i mean. So, no double standards--not one for games and another for movies.

the only reason Blu-ray matters is for watching movies

last time I checked these are GAME MACHINES, so thats what should matter, but as long as Sony is happy, they won the format war, and are losing the console war, congrats sony, great movie player, and so far very average game machine

I think the PS3 lacking a real good exclusive is worse than the 360 lacking Blu-Ray. I hardly care about HD movies. Im not saying it doesnt make a difference. Im just saying I dont care.Can-o-Mark

Fair enough. I am not talking about software now though. Software on the PS3 will improve, and should be better than the 360 this year. But as far as hardware is concerned, I stand by the topic I started.

Honestly high def movies don't do a whole lot for me. I'm not saying that it isnt a nice thing to have, but I mean with stuff like youtube and web cams having such low resolutions I just don't care all of that much.

anyone agree/disagree?

Sorry, but you haven't provided a compelling argument for me to care about HD movies.

At work, they have a PS3 on display on a Bravia showcasing BluRay and the difference isn't as monumental as some of you want everyone to beleive...

[QUOTE="Can-o-Mark"]I think the PS3 lacking a real good exclusive is worse than the 360 lacking Blu-Ray. I hardly care about HD movies. Im not saying it doesnt make a difference. Im just saying I dont care.Sihanouk

Fair enough. I am not talking about software now though. Software on the PS3 will improve, and should be better than the 360 this year. But as far as hardware is concerned, I stand by the topic I started.

I dont care about hardware either. But yeah, if this thread is about hardware only, I probably cant think of anything.

the only reason Blu-ray matters is for watching movies

last time I checked these are GAME MACHINES, so thats what should matter, but as long as Sony is happy, they won the format war, and are losing the console war, congrats sony, great movie player, and so far very average game machine

crispytheone88

No. Only the 360 is a gaming machine. The PS3 is an even more powerful machine with better exclusives this year AND is also a MOVIE MACHINE. Now, how many gamers like movies as well?? Do a fair survey. How many gamers watch DVD movies at home? Well, if indeed there are a whole lot of them, then gamers who care about graphics or sound will care about Blu-ray. Casuals problably care more about movies than hard core gamers do. So, when casuals start to enter the gaming world, Blu-ray will play a very big role. I believe once Blu-ray becomes mainstream, gamers will see the value of Blu-ray on the PS3.

IMO ps3 is not lacking anything besides a bit more games...i dont know people are crying about

[QUOTE="crispytheone88"]

the only reason Blu-ray matters is for watching movies

last time I checked these are GAME MACHINES, so thats what should matter, but as long as Sony is happy, they won the format war, and are losing the console war, congrats sony, great movie player, and so far very average game machine

Sihanouk

No. Only the 360 is a gaming machine. The PS3 is an even more powerful machine with better exclusives this year AND is also a MOVIE MACHINE. Now, how many gamers like movies as well?? Do a fair survey. How many gamers watch DVD movies at home? Well, if indeed there are a whole lot of them, then gamers who care about graphics or sound will care about Blu-ray. Casuals problably care more about movies than hard core gamers do. So, when casuals start to enter the gaming world, Blu-ray will play a very big role. I believe once Blu-ray becomes mainstream, gamers will see the value of Blu-ray on the PS3.

Yea, a way to try to get casuals to pony up an extra $10 to watch the same mediocre movie with a nominal upgrade in picture and sounbd quality at best. Ultraviolet and Spiderman 3 are still mediocre no matter how much you try to improve them...

Honestly high def movies don't do a whole lot for me. I'm not saying that it isnt a nice thing to have, but I mean with stuff like youtube and web cams having such low resolutions I just don't care all of that much.laughingman42

Have you ever cared about graphics in games, if you do you should also care about Blu-ray. If you don't really care about graphics, then what you say makes sense. I just feel that alot of hard care gamers, you too, actually, since you've posted here thousands of time care about the resolution of movies.

Now that I see that you are more likely a hard core gamer, how can high-def movies not do it for you? Have you watch a standard DVD and a Blu-ray version of the same movie? Once you do, my frend, if you don't have double standards, you will care about high def.

I am sorry but I don't care much about HD movies and blu-ray all together. Having such don't compensate from what it lacks currently. ArisShadows

Do you watch DVD movies at home? Do you care about graphics in games? If you answer yes to both questions, then you have double standards. In fact, I would think you are a hypocrite. A blind fanboy at that.

HD is a lot better looking than DVD. I have no idea what you're all watching it on but you should watch it on somethign different. It's far superior.BumFluff122

I've been watching it on a Bravia at work and it's nominal at best...

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]HD is a lot better looking than DVD. I have no idea what you're all watching it on but you should watch it on somethign different. It's far superior.DXGreat1_HGL

I've been watching it on a Bravia at work and it's nominal at best...

Normal at best? Have you watched a DVD on a HDTV?

[QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"]

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]HD is a lot better looking than DVD. I have no idea what you're all watching it on but you should watch it on somethign different. It's far superior.-Renegade

I've been watching it on a Bravia at work and it's nominal at best...

Normal at best? Have you watched a DVD on a HDTV?

Wow, you don't even know that Bravia is a Sony HD brand? At work, they run the Bluray version of Spiderman 3 on a PS3 and there is little to no difference.

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]HD is a lot better looking than DVD. I have no idea what you're all watching it on but you should watch it on somethign different. It's far superior.DXGreat1_HGL

I've been watching it on a Bravia at work and it's nominal at best...

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]HD is a lot better looking than DVD. I have no idea what you're all watching it on but you should watch it on somethign different. It's far superior.DXGreat1_HGL

I've been watching it on a Bravia at work and it's nominal at best...

Hmm another person with thousands of posts, yet can't appreciate a 1080p movie over a 480p one. If you want to maintain your credibility in this forum I hope you apply the same standard of graphics and sound to games as well as movies. If not, then I strongly believe you are another blind fanboy.

[QUOTE="crispytheone88"]

the only reason Blu-ray matters is for watching movies

last time I checked these are GAME MACHINES, so thats what should matter, but as long as Sony is happy, they won the format war, and are losing the console war, congrats sony, great movie player, and so far very average game machine

Sihanouk

No. Only the 360 is a gaming machine. The PS3 is an even more powerful machine with better exclusives this year AND is also a MOVIE MACHINE. Now, how many gamers like movies as well?? Do a fair survey. How many gamers watch DVD movies at home? Well, if indeed there are a whole lot of them, then gamers who care about graphics or sound will care about Blu-ray. Casuals problably care more about movies than hard core gamers do. So, when casuals start to enter the gaming world, Blu-ray will play a very big role. I believe once Blu-ray becomes mainstream, gamers will see the value of Blu-ray on the PS3.

by your logic, everyone should be still using ps2 to play their DVD movies....your logic fails for many reasons.

reason 1. if Blu-ray does become mainstream, blu-ray player is going to be sub $200 just like how DVD players are. When dvd player came out, it was $1000+ . Look how it is now, Ps2 is NO LONGER a dvd player that everyone uses.

reason 2. Blu-ray does NOT guarantee improvment on "graphics and sound" LOL you want to me to list all the multiplat that looks better on xbox360? if blu-ray didn't help them, why are you so sure that it's going to help others?

reason 3. aren't you the same person that says... "Multiplatform games running better on the 360 risk losing long-term popularity " Why are you contradicting yourself?

FIRST you say mulitpat runs better on 360, but now you're saying games will have better graphic and sound because of blu-ray. (which means i should run better) UHM, for over a year, all games on p3 were on blu-ray disk...so Which one is it?

Before I make my statements in relation to this topic, I am not bashing the PS3.

Blu-Ray, while nifty, new, and pretty revolutionary, should not be used as basis of why the PS3 is better than 360.

I want Sony to deliver it's promises. I want a game that could not POSSIBLY be done on DVD. A huge game, huge worlds, a long story (Uncharted and Heavenly Sword, I'm looking at you..), and a game that truly makes you go, "see, that's why blu-ray is needed!"

Call me picky but when Sony claims Blu-Ray allows for bigger worlds and "a larger canvas for developers to work on", it'd be nice if they utilized the feature. Adding more languages and uncompressed sound isn't using BR to its full potential.

The PS3 is great, it has tons of potential, I'd just wish they'd utilize it.

Unless you're talking about BR movies..in which case, it's a GAME console.

[QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"]

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]HD is a lot better looking than DVD. I have no idea what you're all watching it on but you should watch it on somethign different. It's far superior.Sihanouk

I've been watching it on a Bravia at work and it's nominal at best...

Hmm another person with thousands of posts, yet can't appreciate a 1080p movie over a 480p one. If you want to maintain your credibility in this forum I hope you apply the same standard of graphics and sound to games as well as movies. If not, then I strongly believe you are another blind fanboy.

And you are a sad shill, at best. I can watch my reguler DVD's at 1080p on my current setup. I've seen Blu-ray and it's berly better. Give up already...

[QUOTE="Sihanouk"][QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"]

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]HD is a lot better looking than DVD. I have no idea what you're all watching it on but you should watch it on somethign different. It's far superior.DXGreat1_HGL

I've been watching it on a Bravia at work and it's nominal at best...

Hmm another person with thousands of posts, yet can't appreciate a 1080p movie over a 480p one. If you want to maintain your credibility in this forum I hope you apply the same standard of graphics and sound to games as well as movies. If not, then I strongly believe you are another blind fanboy.

And you are a sad shill, at best. I can watch my reguler DVD's at 1080p on my current setup. I've seen Blu-ray and it's berly better. Give up already...

it's funny how he TOTALLY forgot to mention that the first generation hdvd movies were better visually than blu-ray movies and blu-ray had to change their codec to catch up to hd dvd. Maybe his boss at sony corp totally forgot to tell im that...lol i guess he does work for sony

[QUOTE="Sihanouk"][QUOTE="crispytheone88"]

the only reason Blu-ray matters is for watching movies

last time I checked these are GAME MACHINES, so thats what should matter, but as long as Sony is happy, they won the format war, and are losing the console war, congrats sony, great movie player, and so far very average game machine

DXGreat1_HGL

No. Only the 360 is a gaming machine. The PS3 is an even more powerful machine with better exclusives this year AND is also a MOVIE MACHINE. Now, how many gamers like movies as well?? Do a fair survey. How many gamers watch DVD movies at home? Well, if indeed there are a whole lot of them, then gamers who care about graphics or sound will care about Blu-ray. Casuals problably care more about movies than hard core gamers do. So, when casuals start to enter the gaming world, Blu-ray will play a very big role. I believe once Blu-ray becomes mainstream, gamers will see the value of Blu-ray on the PS3.

Yea, a way to try to get casuals to pony up an extra $10 to watch the same mediocre movie with a nominal upgrade in picture and sounbd quality at best. Ultraviolet and Spiderman 3 are still mediocre no matter how much you try to improve them...

Ultraviolet is downright terrible

[QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"][QUOTE="crispytheone88"]

the only reason Blu-ray matters is for watching movies

last time I checked these are GAME MACHINES, so thats what should matter, but as long as Sony is happy, they won the format war, and are losing the console war, congrats sony, great movie player, and so far very average game machine

laughingman42

No. Only the 360 is a gaming machine. The PS3 is an even more powerful machine with better exclusives this year AND is also a MOVIE MACHINE. Now, how many gamers like movies as well?? Do a fair survey. How many gamers watch DVD movies at home? Well, if indeed there are a whole lot of them, then gamers who care about graphics or sound will care about Blu-ray. Casuals problably care more about movies than hard core gamers do. So, when casuals start to enter the gaming world, Blu-ray will play a very big role. I believe once Blu-ray becomes mainstream, gamers will see the value of Blu-ray on the PS3.

Yea, a way to try to get casuals to pony up an extra $10 to watch the same mediocre movie with a nominal upgrade in picture and sounbd quality at best. Ultraviolet and Spiderman 3 are still mediocre no matter how much you try to improve them...

Ultraviolet is downright terrible

I know and putting it on bluray is like tying a porkchop around the ugly kids neck to get his dog to play with him....

[QUOTE="laughingman42"]Honestly high def movies don't do a whole lot for me. I'm not saying that it isnt a nice thing to have, but I mean with stuff like youtube and web cams having such low resolutions I just don't care all of that much.Sihanouk

Have you ever cared about graphics in games, if you do you should also care about Blu-ray. If you don't really care about graphics, then what you say makes sense. I just feel that alot of hard care gamers, you too, actually, since you've posted here thousands of time care about the resolution of movies.

Now that I see that you are more likely a hard core gamer, how can high-def movies not do it for you? Have you watch a standard DVD and a Blu-ray version of the same movie? Once you do, my frend, if you don't have double standards, you will care about high def.

Yea I have and it's not that big of a deal. It's pretty, but it still can't compete with a theater experience, and I go from theater to DVD all of the time.

[QUOTE="Sihanouk"][QUOTE="crispytheone88"]

the only reason Blu-ray matters is for watching movies

last time I checked these are GAME MACHINES, so thats what should matter, but as long as Sony is happy, they won the format war, and are losing the console war, congrats sony, great movie player, and so far very average game machine

jiggawho2006

No. Only the 360 is a gaming machine. The PS3 is an even more powerful machine with better exclusives this year AND is also a MOVIE MACHINE. Now, how many gamers like movies as well?? Do a fair survey. How many gamers watch DVD movies at home? Well, if indeed there are a whole lot of them, then gamers who care about graphics or sound will care about Blu-ray. Casuals problably care more about movies than hard core gamers do. So, when casuals start to enter the gaming world, Blu-ray will play a very big role. I believe once Blu-ray becomes mainstream, gamers will see the value of Blu-ray on the PS3.

by your logic, everyone should be still using ps2 to play their DVD movies....your logic fails for many reasons.

reason 1. if Blu-ray does become mainstream, blu-ray player is going to be sub $200 just like how DVD players are. When dvd player came out, it was $1000+ . Look how it is now, Ps2 is NO LONGER a dvd player that everyone uses.

reason 2. Blu-ray does NOT guarantee improvment on "graphics and sound" LOL you want to me to list all the multiplat that looks better on xbox360? if blu-ray didn't help them, why are you so sure that it's going to help others?

reason 3. aren't you the same person that says... "Multiplatform games running better on the 360 risk losing long-term popularity " Why are you contradicting yourself?

FIRST you say mulitpat runs better on 360, but now you're saying games will have better graphic and sound because of blu-ray. (which means i should run better) UHM, for over a year, all games on p3 were on blu-ray disk...so Which one is it?

It hasn't failed.

Reason 1: $200 dollars 5 yrs ago is worth a lot more now. So mainstream threshold for High-Def may well be whatever $200 then is worth now due to the dropping value of the dollar. Also, whois to say that the PS3 will not reach $200 dollars in a few yrs. With HD-DVD pretty much dead, Blu-ray will likely become mainstream. The PS2 may not be used by everyone now, but many, many people still do, 7 yrs after is arrival. The PS3 is barely starting its 2nd yr. My logic still stands.

Reason 2: I didn't talk about Blu-ray guarateeing an improvement in graphics or sound in games (it will help though--you will see). What I said was that Blu-ray guarantees better graphics and sound in MOVIES. My logic still stands.

Reason 3: I am the same person. I am not contraditing myself. I am honest enough to admit that a lot of multiplatform games LAST year ran better on the 360. Not this year though, and especially not 2009 onward. Again, in this thread, I wasn't talking about blu-ray in games. I talked about graphics in movies. If you care about graphics in games you should care about graphics in movies. Read carefully, my friend, or you arguments won't hold a candle. My logic still stands.

Blu-ray is not worth the price yet, yeah I know you can find cheap movies but I don't want look trought 10 to 15 stores to find one or two cheap ones that almost always are bad movies.

I own a PS3 and an HDTV but I only play DVD on it.

5$ DVD vs 25-30$ Blu-ray.

Blu-ray is not worth the price yet, yeah I know you can find cheap movies but I don't want look trought 10 to 15 stores to find one or two cheap ones that almost always are bad movies.

I own a PS3 and an HDTV but I only play DVD on it.

5$ DVD vs 25-30$ Blu-ray.

JLF1

You can get them on sale at Amazon and other stores, when the sale comes. I have over 30 Blu-ray movies, all bought between $10-15 dollars from Amazon. So a lot of Blu-ray movies can be bought about 5 to 10 dollars more than DVDs. This is even less than the diffence between 360 games and the Wii games.

[QUOTE="JLF1"]

Blu-ray is not worth the price yet, yeah I know you can find cheap movies but I don't want look trought 10 to 15 stores to find one or two cheap ones that almost always are bad movies.

I own a PS3 and an HDTV but I only play DVD on it.

5$ DVD vs 25-30$ Blu-ray.

Sihanouk

You can get them on sale at Amazon and other stores, when the sale comes. I have over 30 Blu-ray movies, all bought between $10-15 dollars from Amazon. So a lot of Blu-ray movies can be bought about 5 to 10 dollars more than DVDs. This is even less than the diffence between 360 games and the Wii games.

They are still overpriced for the mainstream to really get the grip.

Before I make my statements in relation to this topic, I am not bashing the PS3.

Blu-Ray, while nifty, new, and pretty revolutionary, should not be used as basis of why the PS3 is better than 360.

I want Sony to deliver it's promises. I want a game that could not POSSIBLY be done on DVD. A huge game, huge worlds, a long story (Uncharted and Heavenly Sword, I'm looking at you..), and a game that truly makes you go, "see, that's why blu-ray is needed!"

Call me picky but when Sony claims Blu-Ray allows for bigger worlds and "a larger canvas for developers to work on", it'd be nice if they utilized the feature. Adding more languages and uncompressed sound isn't using BR to its full potential.

The PS3 is great, it has tons of potential, I'd just wish they'd utilize it.

Unless you're talking about BR movies..in which case, it's a GAME console.

Udsen

Without a doubt it should be used as a basis for why the PS3 is better than 360, simply because watching DVDs at home is a very popular activity. Gamers also watch movies. Casuals watch lots of movies. So when gamers and casuals buy a console that can play HD movies, Blu-ray as on the PS3 is a very important consideration. If you don't watch movies at home and don't care about graphics, then yes, Blu-ray movies don't matter. Stay with the topic. I am not talking about Blu-ray for games. It's advantages for games will come soon enough this year, and especiall 2009 onward.

Be honest here. Put your credibility on the line. Do you watch DVD movies at home? Do you care about graphics in games? If you answer yes to both questions, and don't agree that Blu-ray makes the PS3 a better machine than the 360, then you have double standards. In fact, I would think you are a hypocrite. A blind fanboy at that.

I watch HD movies delivered through my cable TV service for just a couple of quid a time. What do I need expensive blu-ray disks for?philhilluk

I think a lot of lemmings here are asking for this alot, you included:

Be honest here. Put your credibility on the line. Do you watch DVD movies at home? Do you care about graphics in games? If you answer yes to both questions, and don't agree that Blu-ray makes the PS3 a better machine than the 360, then you have double standards. In fact, I would think you are a hypocrite. A blind fanboy at that.

Honestly high def movies don't do a whole lot for me. I'm not saying that it isnt a nice thing to have, but I mean with stuff like youtube and web cams having such low resolutions I just don't care all of that much.

anyone agree/disagree?

laughingman42

[QUOTE="Udsen"]

Before I make my statements in relation to this topic, I am not bashing the PS3.

Blu-Ray, while nifty, new, and pretty revolutionary, should not be used as basis of why the PS3 is better than 360.

I want Sony to deliver it's promises. I want a game that could not POSSIBLY be done on DVD. A huge game, huge worlds, a long story (Uncharted and Heavenly Sword, I'm looking at you..), and a game that truly makes you go, "see, that's why blu-ray is needed!"

Call me picky but when Sony claims Blu-Ray allows for bigger worlds and "a larger canvas for developers to work on", it'd be nice if they utilized the feature. Adding more languages and uncompressed sound isn't using BR to its full potential.

The PS3 is great, it has tons of potential, I'd just wish they'd utilize it.

Unless you're talking about BR movies..in which case, it's a GAME console.

Sihanouk

Without a doubt it should be used as a basis for why the PS3 is better than 360, simply because watching DVDs at home is a very popular activity. Gamers also watch movies. Casuals watch lots of movies. So when gamers and casuals buy a console that can play HD movies, Blu-ray as on the PS3 is a very important consideration. If you don't watch movies at home and don't care about graphics, then yes, Blu-ray movies don't matter. Stay with the topic. I am not talking about Blu-ray for games. It's advantages for games will come soon enough this year, and especiall 2009 onward.

Be honest here. Put your credibility on the line. Do you watch DVD movies at home? Do you care about graphics in games? If you answer yes to both questions, and don't agree that Blu-ray makes the PS3 a better machine than the 360, then you have double standards. In fact, I would think you are a hypocrite. A blind fanboy at that.

Alright, I'll play your little game.

I'll "put my credibility on the line". I do watch movies and I do like graphics. But down to heart I'm a gamer, first and foremost. I enjoy games for what they are, and how they entertain me. Don't say you're "not talking about Blu-ray for games", when you ask me if I like graphics in games. I'm sorry sir, but I don't think you quite grasp what I'm getting at. Sony has not proved Blu-ray to be vital this gen. They might, and that's great.

Please explain why I'm a hypocrite, or a fanboy. PS3 has some great games, and it's getting more, but none have proven Blu-ray to be absolutely vital and should be used as a standard. I'm a hypocrite and a fanboy because I judge a game console on the games? You have fun with that.

There's your "credibility".

xbox 360 runs in 1080i or the PS3 equivalent for most games and 1080p for a few just like the PS3 does. I didn't buy a 360 to view movies. If I wanted to watch movies in HD I would buy a blu-ray player or an HD-DVD drive as soon as the price gets down to about $200 or less.BumFluff122

I am not asking you at what price YOU will pay to get into HD movies. I am talking about the value of the PS3 as a blu-ray player. How important that is for gamers and casuals who care about graphics and HD movies.

Anyways, since you would spend $200 on a blu-ray player, can't you see how much Blu-ray makes the PS3 a much better machine than the 360?

So here's one for you, too:

Be honest here. Put your credibility on the line. Do you watch DVD movies at home? Do you care about graphics in games? If you answer yes to both questions, and don't agree that Blu-ray makes the PS3 a better machine than the 360, then you have double standards. In fact, I would think you are a hypocrite. A blind fanboy at that.

[QUOTE="laughingman42"]

Honestly high def movies don't do a whole lot for me. I'm not saying that it isnt a nice thing to have, but I mean with stuff like youtube and web cams having such low resolutions I just don't care all of that much.

anyone agree/disagree?

walter429

now sound is a different story all together. Is 7.1 alot better than 5.1? It doesnt seem like it would be.

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]xbox 360 runs in 1080i or the PS3 equivalent for most games and 1080p for a few just like the PS3 does. I didn't buy a 360 to view movies. If I wanted to watch movies in HD I would buy a blu-ray player or an HD-DVD drive as soon as the price gets down to about $200 or less.Sihanouk

I am not asking you at what price YOU will pay to get into HD movies. I am talking about the value of the PS3 as a blu-ray player. How important that is for gamers and casuals who care about graphics and HD movies.

Anyways, since you would spend $200 on a blu-ray player, can't you see how much Blu-ray makes the PS3 a much better machine than the 360?

So here's one for you, too:

Be honest here. Put your credibility on the line. Do you watch DVD movies at home? Do you care about graphics in games? If you answer yes to both questions, and don't agree that Blu-ray makes the PS3 a better machine than the 360, then you have double standards. In fact, I would think you are a hypocrite. A blind fanboy at that.

let me ask you this then.....DVD has become the mainstream. HOW many people do you know recently went to a electronic store to buy a dvd player and said.."WOW, look at ps2, it plays games AND it plays dvd, it must be a better value"

if NO ONE is doing that NOW, why do you think it's going to happen in the future?

the only reason Blu-ray matters is for watching movies

last time I checked these are GAME MACHINES, so thats what should matter, but as long as Sony is happy, they won the format war, and are losing the console war, congrats sony, great movie player, and so far very average game machine

crispytheone88

[QUOTE="Sihanouk"][QUOTE="Udsen"]

Before I make my statements in relation to this topic, I am not bashing the PS3.

Blu-Ray, while nifty, new, and pretty revolutionary, should not be used as basis of why the PS3 is better than 360.

I want Sony to deliver it's promises. I want a game that could not POSSIBLY be done on DVD. A huge game, huge worlds, a long story (Uncharted and Heavenly Sword, I'm looking at you..), and a game that truly makes you go, "see, that's why blu-ray is needed!"

Call me picky but when Sony claims Blu-Ray allows for bigger worlds and "a larger canvas for developers to work on", it'd be nice if they utilized the feature. Adding more languages and uncompressed sound isn't using BR to its full potential.

The PS3 is great, it has tons of potential, I'd just wish they'd utilize it.

Unless you're talking about BR movies..in which case, it's a GAME console.

Udsen

Without a doubt it should be used as a basis for why the PS3 is better than 360, simply because watching DVDs at home is a very popular activity. Gamers also watch movies. Casuals watch lots of movies. So when gamers and casuals buy a console that can play HD movies, Blu-ray as on the PS3 is a very important consideration. If you don't watch movies at home and don't care about graphics, then yes, Blu-ray movies don't matter. Stay with the topic. I am not talking about Blu-ray for games. It's advantages for games will come soon enough this year, and especiall 2009 onward.

Be honest here. Put your credibility on the line. Do you watch DVD movies at home? Do you care about graphics in games? If you answer yes to both questions, and don't agree that Blu-ray makes the PS3 a better machine than the 360, then you have double standards. In fact, I would think you are a hypocrite. A blind fanboy at that.

Alright, I'll play your little game.

I'll "put my credibility on the line". I do watch movies and I do like graphics. But down to heart I'm a gamer, first and foremost. I enjoy games for what they are, and how they entertain me. Don't say you're "not talking about Blu-ray for games", when you ask me if I like graphics in games. I'm sorry sir, but I don't think you quite grasp what I'm getting at. Sony has not proved Blu-ray to be vital this gen. They might, and that's great.

Please explain why I'm a hypocrite, or a fanboy. PS3 has some great games, and it's getting more, but none have proven Blu-ray to be absolutely vital and should be used as a standard. I'm a hypocrite and a fanboy because I judge a game console on the games? You have fun with that.

There's your "credibility".

You have the right to set whatever expectations you want from whatever companies. I am not going to talk about that.
Sony has proven that the PS3 is a great Blu-ray movie player.

You are a hypocrite because you like and expect good graphics in games, but you don't have the same standards for movies. Sure you like games more. But you like movies enough to admit it here. As such, you are a hypocrite and possibly a fanboy because you refuse to acknowledge that Blu-ray on the PS3 adds a very sigificant value to the PS3 over the 360.

Be honest here. Put your credibility on the line. Do you watch DVD movies at home? Do you care about graphics in games? If you answer yes to both questions, and don't agree that Blu-ray makes the PS3 a better machine than the 360, then you have double standards. In fact, I would think you are a hypocrite. A blind fanboy at that.

Sihanouk

[QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]xbox 360 runs in 1080i or the PS3 equivalent for most games and 1080p for a few just like the PS3 does. I didn't buy a 360 to view movies. If I wanted to watch movies in HD I would buy a blu-ray player or an HD-DVD drive as soon as the price gets down to about $200 or less.jiggawho2006

I am not asking you at what price YOU will pay to get into HD movies. I am talking about the value of the PS3 as a blu-ray player. How important that is for gamers and casuals who care about graphics and HD movies.

Anyways, since you would spend $200 on a blu-ray player, can't you see how much Blu-ray makes the PS3 a much better machine than the 360?

So here's one for you, too:

Be honest here. Put your credibility on the line. Do you watch DVD movies at home? Do you care about graphics in games? If you answer yes to both questions, and don't agree that Blu-ray makes the PS3 a better machine than the 360, then you have double standards. In fact, I would think you are a hypocrite. A blind fanboy at that.

let me ask you this then.....DVD has become the mainstream. HOW many people do you know recently went to a electronic store to buy a dvd player and said.."WOW, look at ps2, it plays games AND it plays dvd, it must be a better value"

if NO ONE is doing that NOW, why do you think it's going to happen in the future?

[QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]xbox 360 runs in 1080i or the PS3 equivalent for most games and 1080p for a few just like the PS3 does. I didn't buy a 360 to view movies. If I wanted to watch movies in HD I would buy a blu-ray player or an HD-DVD drive as soon as the price gets down to about $200 or less.jiggawho2006

I am not asking you at what price YOU will pay to get into HD movies. I am talking about the value of the PS3 as a blu-ray player. How important that is for gamers and casuals who care about graphics and HD movies.

Anyways, since you would spend $200 on a blu-ray player, can't you see how much Blu-ray makes the PS3 a much better machine than the 360?

So here's one for you, too:

Be honest here. Put your credibility on the line. Do you watch DVD movies at home? Do you care about graphics in games? If you answer yes to both questions, and don't agree that Blu-ray makes the PS3 a better machine than the 360, then you have double standards. In fact, I would think you are a hypocrite. A blind fanboy at that.

let me ask you this then.....DVD has become the mainstream. HOW many people do you know recently went to a electronic store to buy a dvd player and said.."WOW, look at ps2, it plays games AND it plays dvd, it must be a better value"

if NO ONE is doing that NOW, why do you think it's going to happen in the future?

Fair enough. People dont' really care about the DVD feature on the PS2 now. But you are talking about 7 years into the ps2's life span. Blu-ray is barely into its 2nd year. Blu-ray as feature on the PS3 will matter as long as people want to buy a blu-ray player, especially since the PS3 is so future proof. So now and onward, perhaps untill it's 7th year at least, the PS3's value is enhanced by it's inclusion of Blu-ray. So, for now and the forseeable future, Blu-ray makes the PS3 a better value over the 360 for gamers and movie lovers--who care about graphics.

[QUOTE="Udsen"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"][QUOTE="Udsen"]

Before I make my statements in relation to this topic, I am not bashing the PS3.

Blu-Ray, while nifty, new, and pretty revolutionary, should not be used as basis of why the PS3 is better than 360.

I want Sony to deliver it's promises. I want a game that could not POSSIBLY be done on DVD. A huge game, huge worlds, a long story (Uncharted and Heavenly Sword, I'm looking at you..), and a game that truly makes you go, "see, that's why blu-ray is needed!"

Call me picky but when Sony claims Blu-Ray allows for bigger worlds and "a larger canvas for developers to work on", it'd be nice if they utilized the feature. Adding more languages and uncompressed sound isn't using BR to its full potential.

The PS3 is great, it has tons of potential, I'd just wish they'd utilize it.

Unless you're talking about BR movies..in which case, it's a GAME console.

Sihanouk

Without a doubt it should be used as a basis for why the PS3 is better than 360, simply because watching DVDs at home is a very popular activity. Gamers also watch movies. Casuals watch lots of movies. So when gamers and casuals buy a console that can play HD movies, Blu-ray as on the PS3 is a very important consideration. If you don't watch movies at home and don't care about graphics, then yes, Blu-ray movies don't matter. Stay with the topic. I am not talking about Blu-ray for games. It's advantages for games will come soon enough this year, and especiall 2009 onward.

Be honest here. Put your credibility on the line. Do you watch DVD movies at home? Do you care about graphics in games? If you answer yes to both questions, and don't agree that Blu-ray makes the PS3 a better machine than the 360, then you have double standards. In fact, I would think you are a hypocrite. A blind fanboy at that.

Alright, I'll play your little game.

I'll "put my credibility on the line". I do watch movies and I do like graphics. But down to heart I'm a gamer, first and foremost. I enjoy games for what they are, and how they entertain me. Don't say you're "not talking about Blu-ray for games", when you ask me if I like graphics in games. I'm sorry sir, but I don't think you quite grasp what I'm getting at. Sony has not proved Blu-ray to be vital this gen. They might, and that's great.

Please explain why I'm a hypocrite, or a fanboy. PS3 has some great games, and it's getting more, but none have proven Blu-ray to be absolutely vital and should be used as a standard. I'm a hypocrite and a fanboy because I judge a game console on the games? You have fun with that.

There's your "credibility".

You have the right to set whatever expectations you want from whatever companies. I am not going to talk about that.
Sony has proven that the PS3 is a great Blu-ray movie player.

You are a hypocrite because you like and expect good graphics in games, but you don't have the same standards for movies. Sure you like games more. But you like movies enough to admit it here. As such, you are a hypocrite and possibly a fanboy because you refuse to acknowledge that Blu-ray on the PS3 adds a very sigificant value to the PS3 over the 360.

Games are different than movies.

Games develop over time, graphics improve and physics and controls take new forms. Whereas if I buy GoodFellas on Blu-Ray it's still Goodfellas.

Keep your lame accusations away from me, I'm neither a hypocrite or a fanboy.

Attacking me personally because you don't agree with what I'm saying, sheesh buddy.

I even stated in the first sentence I wasn't bashing the PS3, I don't know why you have to wet your pants and jump on everyone for not agreeing with you...Are you by any chance employed by Sony?

[QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

Be honest here. Put your credibility on the line. Do you watch DVD movies at home? Do you care about graphics in games? If you answer yes to both questions, and don't agree that Blu-ray makes the PS3 a better machine than the 360, then you have double standards. In fact, I would think you are a hypocrite. A blind fanboy at that.

BumFluff122

I am talking about the totality of the machine--in gaming, movies, and whatever else. As far as a gaming machine, I do believe that the PS3 is a better gaming machine for 2008 games and beyond. So, it's simple really. If you like games or if you like movies, and you want to buy a gaming machine this year or beyond, the PS3 is the way to go. Like HD-DVD vs. Blu-ray, the 360 is losing its value relative to the PS3. Watch a couple of blu-ray movies on a decent HD TV. Then tell me that you don't see how Blu-ray is so cool to have on the PS3.

This is why PS3 has such a low attach rate... Because people like TC just watch movies.

I bought my 360 to play games... And thats what I am doing.