Xbox 360 not designed for MMO

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#1 Khanbhai0
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I thought it was foolishness on part of Square Enix by making Final Fantasy XIV Online a PS3 exclusive, since they are third party, plus they have worked with Microsoft, not to mention their fanbase goes well beyond Ps3.

a MMORPG for 360 was under development called Marvel Universe Online, but that game was canceled for undisclosed reasons. On the other DC Universe Online MMORPG for PS3 is on Alpha stage right now.

Final Fantasy XI MMORPG which came out on Xbox 360 is a dated game released on PC way back in 2002, so its clearly not the next generation MMORPG game, so I wont count this one.

so is Xbox 360 not designed for MMO

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I thought it was foolishness on part of Square Enix by makingFinal Fantasy XIV Online a PS3 exclusive, since they are third party, plus they have worked with Microsoft, not to mention their fanbase goes well beyond Ps3.

a MMORPG for 360 was under development calledMarvel Universe Online, but that game was canceled forundisclosed reason. On the other DC Universe Online MMORPG for PS3 is on Alpha stage right now.

Final Fantasy XI MMORPG which came out on Xbox 360 is a dated game released on PC way back in 2002, so its clearly not the next generation MMORPG game, so I wont count this one.

so isXbox 360 not designed for MMO

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With the additional online fees along with X Box Live's, I think not.
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#3 CaseyWegner
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you think there's some built in limitation that won't let it play them?

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#4 vaderhater
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[QUOTE="Khanbhai0"]

I thought it was foolishness on part of Square Enix by makingFinal Fantasy XIV Online a PS3 exclusive, since they are third party, plus they have worked with Microsoft, not to mention their fanbase goes well beyond Ps3.

a MMORPG for 360 was under development calledMarvel Universe Online, but that game was canceled forundisclosed reason. On the other DC Universe Online MMORPG for PS3 is on Alpha stage right now.

Final Fantasy XI MMORPG which came out on Xbox 360 is a dated game released on PC way back in 2002, so its clearly not the next generation MMORPG game, so I wont count this one.

so isXbox 360 not designed for MMO

majadamus

With the additional online fees along with X Box Live's, I think not.

You only need a silver account to play FF XI and Phantasy star over live.

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#5 djsifer01
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It dose not make sense, i dont see why the 360 would not be albe to run a MMO. Square will have a dedicated server for this game.
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#6 majadamus
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[QUOTE="majadamus"][QUOTE="Khanbhai0"]

I thought it was foolishness on part of Square Enix by makingFinal Fantasy XIV Online a PS3 exclusive, since they are third party, plus they have worked with Microsoft, not to mention their fanbase goes well beyond Ps3.

a MMORPG for 360 was under development calledMarvel Universe Online, but that game was canceled forundisclosed reason. On the other DC Universe Online MMORPG for PS3 is on Alpha stage right now.

Final Fantasy XI MMORPG which came out on Xbox 360 is a dated game released on PC way back in 2002, so its clearly not the next generation MMORPG game, so I wont count this one.

so isXbox 360 not designed for MMO

vaderhater

With the additional online fees along with X Box Live's, I think not.

You only need a silver account to play FF XI and Phantasy star over live.

Ya..but, I'm talking about if I already purchased Gold. I got 4 bucks plus the extra 15 to pay for MMORPG service. It's 20 bucks a month.
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#7 vaderhater
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[QUOTE="vaderhater"]

[QUOTE="majadamus"] With the additional online fees along with X Box Live's, I think not. majadamus

You only need a silver account to play FF XI and Phantasy star over live.

Ya..but, I'm talking about if I already purchased Gold. I got 4 bucks plus the extra 15 to pay for MMORPG service. It's 20 bucks a month.

WEll did ya??? If not dont worry.

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#8 Supa__Mario
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not to the scale of PC and PS3 games...no i dont think the 360 can handle it....maybe a toned down version.....but i dont see makers of MMO games wanting to do that...
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#9 Supa__Mario
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It dose not make sense, i dont see why the 360 would not be albe to run a MMO. Square will have a dedicated server for this game.djsifer01
because MMO games are Huge......too much processing going on at once.....
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#10 deactivated-59da85d821feb
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Consoles in general aren't very good for MMOs. Play them on PC's, the proper way.
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#11 Shattered007
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Wow, the fanboy-ism is so fail in this thread.... The 360 already has 2 MMOs
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#12 tonyleo01
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i think the arguments that the 360 can't do something that the ps3 can need to just die since i don't think it's been proven whatsoever...
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#13 Supa__Mario
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i think the arguments that the 360 can't do something that the ps3 can need to just die since i don't think it's been proven whatsoever...tonyleo01
mag..........even heard it at E3.....can only be done on ps3.......common sense told me this before jack tretton did......
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[QUOTE="djsifer01"]It dose not make sense, i dont see why the 360 would not be albe to run a MMO. Square will have a dedicated server for this game.Supa__Mario
because MMO games are Huge......too much processing going on at once.....

lol 360 isn't any less capable for an MMO than a ps3.
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[QUOTE="tonyleo01"]i think the arguments that the 360 can't do something that the ps3 can need to just die since i don't think it's been proven whatsoever...Supa__Mario
mag..........even heard it at E3.....can only be done on ps3.......common sense told me this before jack tretton did......

Ya see, when I hear that, I can only think of 1 thing the shorten the full quote. "It can only be done on the PS3 (because these games are developed from Sony owned devs)".
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[QUOTE="tonyleo01"]i think the arguments that the 360 can't do something that the ps3 can need to just die since i don't think it's been proven whatsoever...Supa__Mario
mag..........even heard it at E3.....can only be done on ps3.......common sense told me this before jack tretton did......

do you know who jack tretton is?

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[QUOTE="tonyleo01"]i think the arguments that the 360 can't do something that the ps3 can need to just die since i don't think it's been proven whatsoever...Supa__Mario
mag..........even heard it at E3.....can only be done on ps3.......common sense told me this before jack tretton did......

Jack Tretton speaks a load of crap. He said only possible on PS3 at every oppurtunity.
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#18 Khanbhai0
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Wow, the fanboy-ism is so fail in this thread.... The 360 already has 2 MMOsShattered007

you deliberately didn't mention those two games because you know they are dated, I already addressed this argument

Phantasy Star Online and Final Fantasy XI are both dated games orginally come out on PC and PS2 back in 2001 and 2002

I will not count these games as the next generation MMO games

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#19 BioShockOwnz
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FFXI and PSU are on it. :|

And PSU came out this generation. PSO =/= PSU... sadly.

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#20 Supa__Mario
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FFXI and PSU are on it. :|

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both of those were also on ps2......does that make ps2 as powerful as ps3.........
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#21 WilliamRLBaker
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1.FF14 is not ps3 exclusive its comming to pc.
2.FF11, Phantasy Star Universe both on 360 i do believe.
3. one does not have to have gold to play mmo's.

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[QUOTE="vaderhater"]

[QUOTE="majadamus"] With the additional online fees along with X Box Live's, I think not. majadamus

You only need a silver account to play FF XI and Phantasy star over live.

Ya..but, I'm talking about if I already purchased Gold. I got 4 bucks plus the extra 15 to pay for MMORPG service. It's 20 bucks a month.

Same thing then if you are playing an MMO on the PC as well. You already paid for Live but now you are paying for another game. Playing the whole "what if" thing doesn't really seem to work out too well does it? The fact of the matter is if you don't want to pay for Live (no one is twisting your arm here) then you can play these games on the 360 with a silver account that is free, so why make a fuss about it?

I still get a kick when people whine about the fees involved with Xbox Live, its like $40 a year now plus you get an extra month for free, if you are going to pitch a fit because you are paying for that AND an MMORPG fee then you probably need to find a cheaper hobby or get a better job.

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#23 tonyleo01
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[QUOTE="tonyleo01"]i think the arguments that the 360 can't do something that the ps3 can need to just die since i don't think it's been proven whatsoever...Supa__Mario
mag..........even heard it at E3.....can only be done on ps3.......common sense told me this before jack tretton did......

my common sense tells me that you're wrong...
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#24 Khanbhai0
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did you even go over my previous posts

FF11, Phantasy Star Online also come out on PS2

again

FF11, Phantasy Star Online is a dated game

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#25 CaseyWegner
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did you even go over my previous posts

FF11, Phantasy Star Online also come out on PS2

again

FF11, Phantasy Star Online is a dated game

Khanbhai0

selective exclusion?

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#26 Supa__Mario
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[QUOTE="Supa__Mario"][QUOTE="tonyleo01"]i think the arguments that the 360 can't do something that the ps3 can need to just die since i don't think it's been proven whatsoever...tonyleo01
mag..........even heard it at E3.....can only be done on ps3.......common sense told me this before jack tretton did......

my common sense tells me that you're wrong...

so where is the next gen MMORPG.....one of the biggest if not biggest genre.........and plz dont mention ps2 games on 360 cuz that just proves my point.....
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#27 fatzebra
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Consoles aren't good for mmos? ALERT THE MEDIA. NOW.
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#28 Khanbhai0
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[QUOTE="Supa__Mario"][QUOTE="tonyleo01"]i think the arguments that the 360 can't do something that the ps3 can need to just die since i don't think it's been proven whatsoever...tonyleo01
mag..........even heard it at E3.....can only be done on ps3.......common sense told me this before jack tretton did......

my common sense tells me that you're wrong...

then think a little bit harder

Halo 3

maxium players 16

Gears of War

maxium players 10

compare to PS3 exclusives

Resistance 2

maxium players 60

Killzone 2

maxium players 32

MAG

maxium players 256

so yes only possible on PS3

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#29 Supa__Mario
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[QUOTE="tonyleo01"][QUOTE="Supa__Mario"] mag..........even heard it at E3.....can only be done on ps3.......common sense told me this before jack tretton did......Khanbhai0

my common sense tells me that you're wrong...

then think a little bit harder

Halo 3

maxium players 16

Gears of War

maxium players 10

compare to PS3 exclusives

Resistance 2

maxium players 60

Killzone 2

maxium players 32

MAG

maxium players 256

so yes only possible on PS3

also top next gen racing games...... Forza 3 maximum 8 players Gran Turismo 5 maximum 16 players
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#30 vaderhater
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[QUOTE="tonyleo01"][QUOTE="Supa__Mario"] mag..........even heard it at E3.....can only be done on ps3.......common sense told me this before jack tretton did......Khanbhai0

my common sense tells me that you're wrong...

then think a little bit harder

Halo 3

maxium players 16

Gears of War

maxium players 10

compare to PS3 exclusives

Resistance 2

maxium players 60

Killzone 2

maxium players 32

MAG

maxium players 256

so yes only possible on PS3

Lets see what those PS3 games would do without dedicated servers.

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#31 Supa__Mario
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[QUOTE="vaderhater"]

[QUOTE="Khanbhai0"]

my common sense tells me that you're wrong...tonyleo01

then think a little bit harder

Halo 3

maxium players 16

Gears of War

maxium players 10

compare to PS3 exclusives

Resistance 2

maxium players 60

Killzone 2

maxium players 32

MAG

maxium players 256

so yes only possible on PS3

Lets see what those PS3 games would do without dedicated servers.

u can play them without dedicated servers......even resistence asks you in the beginning....dont know about mag yet
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APB

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/e3-report-apb-still-heading-to-360

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[QUOTE="tonyleo01"][QUOTE="Supa__Mario"] mag..........even heard it at E3.....can only be done on ps3.......common sense told me this before jack tretton did......Khanbhai0

my common sense tells me that you're wrong...

then think a little bit harder

Halo 3

maxium players 16

Gears of War

maxium players 10

compare to PS3 exclusives

Resistance 2

maxium players 60

Killzone 2

maxium players 32

MAG

maxium players 256

so yes only possible on PS3

Completely irrelevant. MMOs use their own dedicated servers. Like Huxley and FFXI, they can have as many people as their servers support, not tied to the hardware at all.
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#34 Khanbhai0
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[QUOTE="Khanbhai0"]

did you even go over my previous posts

FF11, Phantasy Star Online also come out on PS2

again

FF11, Phantasy Star Online is a dated game

CaseyWegner

selective exclusion?

why should I include dated games that originally came out PC/PS2 back in 2001 and 2002 years before the launch of Xbox 360 itself

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#36 themyth01
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

you think there's some built in limitation that won't let it play them?

mcgreddy

A mod lemming around ? lol thats a new one...

How did you arrive to that conclusion?

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#37 Khanbhai0
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[QUOTE="Khanbhai0"]

[QUOTE="tonyleo01"] my common sense tells me that you're wrong...themyth01

then think a little bit harder

Halo 3

maxium players 16

Gears of War

maxium players 10

compare to PS3 exclusives

Resistance 2

maxium players 60

Killzone 2

maxium players 32

MAG

maxium players 256

so yes only possible on PS3

Completely irrelevant. MMOs use their own dedicated servers. Like Huxley and FFXI, they can have as many people as their servers support, not tied to the hardware at all.

I was replying to your post on MAG only being possible on PS3

my previous post has nothing to do MMO topic

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#38 Supa__Mario
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[QUOTE="themyth01"][QUOTE="Khanbhai0"]

my common sense tells me that you're wrong...tonyleo01

then think a little bit harder

Halo 3

maxium players 16

Gears of War

maxium players 10

compare to PS3 exclusives

Resistance 2

maxium players 60

Killzone 2

maxium players 32

MAG

maxium players 256

so yes only possible on PS3

Completely irrelevant. MMOs use their own dedicated servers. Like Huxley and FFXI, they can have as many people as their servers support, not tied to the hardware at all.

yes....servers and connectivity is not the problem......next gen games are......mmo games are huge......ffxi was fine because it was only as big as the ps2 can handle....so obviously 360 could handle it too.....same with that other game.....ps2 could handle it...so obviously.....
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[QUOTE="themyth01"][QUOTE="Khanbhai0"]

then think a little bit harder

Halo 3

maxium players 16

Gears of War

maxium players 10

compare to PS3 exclusives

Resistance 2

maxium players 60

Killzone 2

maxium players 32

MAG

maxium players 256

so yes only possible on PS3

Supa__Mario

Completely irrelevant. MMOs use their own dedicated servers. Like Huxley and FFXI, they can have as many people as their servers support, not tied to the hardware at all.

yes....servers and connectivity is not the problem......next gen games are......mmo games are huge......ffxi was fine because it was only as big as the ps2 can handle....so obviously 360 could handle it too.....same with that other game.....ps2 could handle it...so obviously.....

lol, now I'll tell you why I find it funny. MMOs are huge indeed but that doesn't mean they're the most demanding games on the processor because they're usually toned down, if anything they'd be more demanding on memory for which the 360 happens to be more flexible with. I wouldn't be surprised if FFIX appears on the 360, it's entirely possible.

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Champions online The secret world FF 11 Say this thread is fail.
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#41 Supa__Mario
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people need to understand....2 years ago....360 and ps3 games were similar.....back then ppl used to say ps3 has barely scratched the surface........but this isnt 2 years ago......now we are seeing what ppl were talking about back then.....now we see games like mag.......and 360 owners just Expect anything they see on the ps3 to be possible on the 360......
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#42 themyth01
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people need to understand....2 years ago....360 and ps3 games were similar.....back then ppl used to say ps3 has barely scratched the surface........but this isnt 2 years ago......now we are seeing what ppl were talking about back then.....now we see games like mag.......and 360 owners just Expect anything they see on the ps3 to be possible on the 360......Supa__Mario
MAG is nothing special, it isn't doing anything different or better than all other games, can't see why people claim this as prove of some ps3 superiority. People may expect same things because as multiplatform have shown the games do look similar if not better on 360 most of the time. Haven't seen anything on the ps3 that could prove it's somehow noticeably better hardware wise.
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#44 cobrax75
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this thread is just complete **** MMO's are not recource intenseive in the least bit by comparsion to other generes.

Neither console is designed for MMO's....its becoming clearer and clearer.

The only thing that gives the PS3 a light edge in this department is SOE (who frankly havent made a good game in many years) while MS does not own a dedicaded MMO developer.

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#45 ActicEdge
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people need to understand....2 years ago....360 and ps3 games were similar.....back then ppl used to say ps3 has barely scratched the surface........but this isnt 2 years ago......now we are seeing what ppl were talking about back then.....now we see games like mag.......and 360 owners just Expect anything they see on the ps3 to be possible on the 360......Supa__Mario

What hidden PS3 power are you talking about? I really am starting to wonder why people think a few pretty games and some more ambitious projects all of a sudden make the PS3's hardware and abilities increase to levels far beyond the 360? Meh, if games like LP2 can look as good if not better than most games out and the 360 has MMORPGs already what exactly are we arguing about.

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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

you think there's some built in limitation that won't let it play them?

mcgreddy
A mod lemming around ? lol thats a new one...

What? Casey isn't a lem. And he's been here for ages :|
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#47 Supa__Mario
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[QUOTE="Supa__Mario"]people need to understand....2 years ago....360 and ps3 games were similar.....back then ppl used to say ps3 has barely scratched the surface........but this isnt 2 years ago......now we are seeing what ppl were talking about back then.....now we see games like mag.......and 360 owners just Expect anything they see on the ps3 to be possible on the 360......themyth01
MAG is nothing special, it isn't doing anything different or better than all other games, can't see why people claim this as prove of some ps3 superiority. People may expect same things because as multiplatform have shown the games do look similar if not better on 360 most of the time. Haven't seen anything on the ps3 that could prove it's somehow noticeably better hardware wise.

uncharted 2 cinematic gameplay is nothing special.....mags scale is nothing special....killzone 2 graphics were nothing special......next gen mmorpgs on ps3 are nothing special.......mgs4 flawless framerate was nothing special.........but you know what.....they all have one thing in common......they were all done on the PS3.........this is just the beginning.....soon everyone will see the kind of games the ps3 will produce.....and 360 will be left in the dust.....devs are just realizing this......that is why rockstar is making the ultimate game......that is why crytek is showing off they are touching the edges of ps3s power.....that is why EA has just realized the ps3's potential is not even half touched......sony knew this all along.....1st party devs learned 1st and showed it off a little.....now other devs are seeing seeing this and taking it as example....
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#48 ActicEdge
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[QUOTE="themyth01"][QUOTE="Supa__Mario"]people need to understand....2 years ago....360 and ps3 games were similar.....back then ppl used to say ps3 has barely scratched the surface........but this isnt 2 years ago......now we are seeing what ppl were talking about back then.....now we see games like mag.......and 360 owners just Expect anything they see on the ps3 to be possible on the 360......Supa__Mario
MAG is nothing special, it isn't doing anything different or better than all other games, can't see why people claim this as prove of some ps3 superiority. People may expect same things because as multiplatform have shown the games do look similar if not better on 360 most of the time. Haven't seen anything on the ps3 that could prove it's somehow noticeably better hardware wise.

uncharted 2 cinematic gameplay is nothing special.....mags scale is nothing special....killzone 2 graphics were nothing special......next gen mmorpgs on ps3 are nothing special.......mgs4 flawless framerate was nothing special.........but you know what.....they all have one thing in common......they were all done on the PS3.........this is just the beginning.....soon everyone will see the kind of games the ps3 will produce.....and 360 will be left in the dust.....devs are just realizing this......that is why rockstar is making the ultimate game......that is why crytek is showing off they are touching the edges of ps3s power.....that is why EA has just realized the ps3's potential is not even half touched......sony knew this all along.....1st party devs learned 1st and showed it off a little.....now other devs are seeing seeing this and taking it as example....

Aren't we getting just a little bit carried away? Nothing has come out of the PS3 as of right now that the 360 couldn't do comparably. There is no point in pulling quotes from publishers or devs either since they will be bias for the system they are deving for (obviously). I think you are giving the console just a little too much credit.

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#49 Supa__Mario
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[QUOTE="Supa__Mario"][QUOTE="themyth01"] MAG is nothing special, it isn't doing anything different or better than all other games, can't see why people claim this as prove of some ps3 superiority. People may expect same things because as multiplatform have shown the games do look similar if not better on 360 most of the time. Haven't seen anything on the ps3 that could prove it's somehow noticeably better hardware wise. ActicEdge

uncharted 2 cinematic gameplay is nothing special.....mags scale is nothing special....killzone 2 graphics were nothing special......next gen mmorpgs on ps3 are nothing special.......mgs4 flawless framerate was nothing special.........but you know what.....they all have one thing in common......they were all done on the PS3.........this is just the beginning.....soon everyone will see the kind of games the ps3 will produce.....and 360 will be left in the dust.....devs are just realizing this......that is why rockstar is making the ultimate game......that is why crytek is showing off they are touching the edges of ps3s power.....that is why EA has just realized the ps3's potential is not even half touched......sony knew this all along.....1st party devs learned 1st and showed it off a little.....now other devs are seeing seeing this and taking it as example....

Aren't we getting just a little bit carried away? Nothing has come out of the PS3 as of right now that the 360 couldn't do comparably. There is no point in pulling quotes from publishers or devs either since they will be bias for the system they are deving for (obviously). I think you are giving the console just a little too much credit.

this is just the beginning.......
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#50 mitu123
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[QUOTE="tonyleo01"][QUOTE="Supa__Mario"] mag..........even heard it at E3.....can only be done on ps3.......common sense told me this before jack tretton did......Khanbhai0

my common sense tells me that you're wrong...

then think a little bit harder

Halo 3

maxium players 16

Gears of War

maxium players 10

compare to PS3 exclusives

Resistance 2

maxium players 60

Killzone 2

maxium players 32

MAG

maxium players 256

so yes only possible on PS3

Perfect Dark Zero on 360 has 32 players, just to let you know.