Xbox 360 Red Ring Percentage - 54.2%

  • 95 results
  • 1
  • 2

This topic is locked from further discussion.

Avatar image for McGronchy
McGronchy

108

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#51 McGronchy
Member since 2011 • 108 Posts

My 2006 360 just RROD'ed in January and now that I've had a chance to see how nice the Slim runs, I would've bought a new one anyway. I fully expect it to outlast my popping, cracking and freezing slim PS3. No complaints about Microsoft here.

Avatar image for eboyishere
eboyishere

12681

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#52 eboyishere
Member since 2011 • 12681 Posts

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

weren't we told that it was a fact that the ps3 had below .3% failure rate? yet it came out it was like 11%?

MozartXVI

well, typical sony. they won't admit that there's a problem until somebody takes them to court. then they get so butthurt that they take everyone else to court for the most trivial reasons :lol:

microsoft was in denial of red rings for awhile...it's a 2way street

Avatar image for dethroned3
dethroned3

1104

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#53 dethroned3
Member since 2007 • 1104 Posts

[QUOTE="Jesus_on_fire"]

[QUOTE="gamer-adam1"]

If I made a poll asking if the world was flat or or a sphere, if more people said it was flat, than you would go around and say the world is flat?

gamer-adam1

Completely irrelevant to the topic at hand, but did you know no one in the history of the human ever thought that the world was flat?

not completely, because the 54.2% is based off a poll from a website. so he would believe the world is flat, because a poll on the internet told him it was

context and your brain are your best friends. use it next time

if more people said the earth was round, base on your logic, does it mean it's not true??

if you assess the situation properly, the RROD was apandemic

Avatar image for Verge_6
Verge_6

20282

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#54 Verge_6
Member since 2007 • 20282 Posts

Let's do it.

Avatar image for SUD123456
SUD123456

7059

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#55 SUD123456
Member since 2007 • 7059 Posts

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

So people are still operating under the erroneous assumption that 360 owners would spend money on a new console rather than use their warranty which fixers it for FREE, in order to adjust the world sales? A warranty that's 3 years and was retroactively applied to people who owned one before the policy change. It would be far more likely to adjust the PS2 sales (last at 140-150 MIL), since Sony NEVER offered free repairs for broken systems.

Word of advice; logic is your friend, don't fight it, and you'll see things in a better light :)

Homiegesus

I wasn't saying all 360 owners bought new 360's instead of using the warranty, i'm sayin there are people who had, in most cases because their warranty was up. That wasn't really my point, point was that IF the system war was based on sales then RROD should be brought into question.

If that was your intent in making this thread, then BluRay should also be brought into question seeing as potentially millions of people bought the PS3 in its first couple of years only for watching movies.

Quickly you will realize the slippery slope of your argument just like the hundreds of people that have posted this exact same topic before you.

Avatar image for coasterguy65
coasterguy65

7133

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 9

User Lists: 0

#56 coasterguy65
Member since 2005 • 7133 Posts

What did I wake up in 2008 again? Damn that Absinthe. Why do cows still bring this up? Is there a link to the number TC or are you just pulling a number out of your bum?

Ok 54.2% the percentage of original phat PS3s that have failed for YLoD...see I can do it too (jk I doubt that number or the RRoD is that high, probably closer to the 32% Square Trade has said for the RRoD). Both systems had some issues at the beginning, but the newer models are much better built...can't we just move on? :roll:

Plus stop trying to use the everyone had to go out and buy at least one new Xbox crap. Some people did I'm sure, but how many people were turned off of buying a new Xbox because of the reputation it got from the RRoD, and quality issues?

How many PS3 sales were from people replacing their broken YLoD, or broken blu-ray PS3s? How many were from people who got a PS3 free when they bought a TV? It works both ways.

Avatar image for Filthybastrd
Filthybastrd

7124

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#57 Filthybastrd
Member since 2009 • 7124 Posts

On the other hand, 45.8% have the best time of their life.

2-10-08

Meaning your average 360 user is having a medicore time? :P

Avatar image for Episode_Eve
Episode_Eve

16986

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#58 Episode_Eve
Member since 2004 • 16986 Posts

Well, I'm not so sure about the average worldwide percentage, but I do know it's higher than it should be. The failure rate for every 360 I've own is over 50% according to my calculations. :P

Also, PS3s malfunction more than what's known.

Avatar image for donalbane
donalbane

16383

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 19

User Lists: 0

#59 donalbane
Member since 2003 • 16383 Posts

I think its safe to say that the PC has won the System War this year even though I've spent more time personally playing my Xbox 360 and PS3 which is mostly due to the fact that its more convienent. But, I thought it was interesting how everyone felt that the System War is based on sales which gave 360 an upperhand over PS3 yet there is such a large red ring percentage for their systems. Which may not effect sales in a negative way seeing as how we just go out and buy a new one if the warranty is up but it should factor in to the discussion. Is this a fair assessment?

Homiegesus

If you ask people (like me) who got a PS3 at launch how their aging unit is holding up, you'll find that half of them died... some of them numerous times. The PS3 board had a poll asking how many original PS3s broke last year, and it was 57%. And keep in mind, this is coming from diehard PS3 loyalists. So yes, the old 360s broke, and Microsoft extended the warranty and ultimately improved the design. Sure, some people abandonded the Xbox platform as a result, but far more people I imagine went out and bought new 360s without even thinking about it, so the Xbox isn't exactly a terrible piece of equipment.

Avatar image for SecretPolice
SecretPolice

45721

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#60 SecretPolice
Member since 2007 • 45721 Posts

RROD? Have I taken a time machine back to 2005-2007? :PStevo_the_gamer
Cosigned - the manure here is getting mighty deep. :P

Avatar image for radoman
radoman

297

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#61 radoman
Member since 2008 • 297 Posts

RRod was effectively fixed in late 2008 with the Jasper and subsequently with the slim. If your console was manufactured before q4 2008 then there is a chance it could rrod. The exact same thing can be said for the ps3 which has also improved with newer revisions

Avatar image for ManicAce
ManicAce

3267

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 26

User Lists: 0

#62 ManicAce
Member since 2009 • 3267 Posts
I don't see why possible re-purchases should be discounted even if it was possible, people have their own reasons for bying consoles, should we also discount all the PS3's bought as blu-ray players or all the Wii's people got as gifts.
Avatar image for bryn8150
bryn8150

795

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#63 bryn8150
Member since 2004 • 795 Posts

I think its safe to say that the PC has won the System War this year even though I've spent more time personally playing my Xbox 360 and PS3 which is mostly due to the fact that its more convienent. But, I thought it was interesting how everyone felt that the System War is based on sales which gave 360 an upperhand over PS3 yet there is such a large red ring percentage for their systems. Which may not effect sales in a negative way seeing as how we just go out and buy a new one if the warranty is up but it should factor in to the discussion. Is this a fair assessment?

Homiegesus
the crysis 2 bieng superior on 360 news has people in a state of shock. so now where seeing this topic pop back up again. ive had 2 360's, an original that i gave away and the new slim. never saw a RROD. SORRY...
Avatar image for Ragnarok1051
Ragnarok1051

20238

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#64 Ragnarok1051
Member since 2007 • 20238 Posts

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

weren't we told that it was a fact that the ps3 had below .3% failure rate? yet it came out it was like 11%?

MozartXVI

well, typical sony. they won't admit that there's a problem until somebody takes them to court. then they get so butthurt that they take everyone else to court for the most trivial reasons :lol:

MS still hasn't told us the percentage of RROD. And it took them a while to extend the warranty. You were saying?
Avatar image for ralphikari
ralphikari

752

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#65 ralphikari
Member since 2006 • 752 Posts

Warranty doesn't contribute to sales and those whose Xbox RROD'ed could have migrated to the PC or the PS3 instead. Your point?

Avatar image for foxhound_fox
foxhound_fox

98532

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 13

User Lists: 0

#66 foxhound_fox
Member since 2005 • 98532 Posts

I can pull stats out of thin air too. "99.9% of PS3 games stink."

At least Microsoft replaced all the broken 360's unlike all those DRE PS2's: "Sorry, unless you pay, you're SOL."

Avatar image for savagetwinkie
savagetwinkie

7981

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#67 savagetwinkie
Member since 2008 • 7981 Posts
A lot of those end up refurbished and back on the market, and there are plenty of cheap people that buy them, its a moot point unless you can figure out what happened to them all, how many bought new ones vs used the warranty... i'd say 360 won this gen, not because i can say its technically the best, but its really brought a lot to the table, gained a market, had some extremely well thought out hardware design, software design, and the only thing i could really point a finger at is RROD, but it was more of an engineering materials mistake that no one really could predict. I believe both nvidia and ati had the same problem with their video cards but just redesigned them with newer materials that didn't warp as easily with heat, granted this did effect the performance but its not set in stone on a PC so it was easy to just work around.
Avatar image for ChubbyGuy40
ChubbyGuy40

26442

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#68 ChubbyGuy40
Member since 2007 • 26442 Posts

gained a market, had some extremely well thought out hardware design, software design, and the only thing i could really point a finger at is RROD, but it was more of an engineering materials mistake that no one really could predict. savagetwinkie

Its hardware design is TERRIBLE. It had what,3 different revisions?Elite, Jasper, and Slim. Not to mention the failed HD-DVD drive. PS3 had 1 revision to make it smaller. The engineering team should've been fired.

Wii won this gen years ago, and it still failed in online and power. Didn't stop devs from making great games for it.

Avatar image for Riverwolf007
Riverwolf007

26023

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#69 Riverwolf007
Member since 2005 • 26023 Posts

meh, what are you going to do? i went through 2 ps1's and 3 ps2's during their respective generations so i'm used to things being junk and just accept it.

bummer but hey maybe third time will be the charm for ms the way it was for sony.

Avatar image for blackace
blackace

23576

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 4

User Lists: 0

#70 blackace
Member since 2002 • 23576 Posts

I think its safe to say that the PC has won the System War this year even though I've spent more time personally playing my Xbox 360 and PS3 which is mostly due to the fact that its more convienent. But, I thought it was interesting how everyone felt that the System War is based on sales which gave 360 an upperhand over PS3 yet there is such a large red ring percentage for their systems. Which may not effect sales in a negative way seeing as how we just go out and buy a new one if the warranty is up but it should factor in to the discussion. Is this a fair assessment?

Homiegesus
You do know that all those RROD consoles get replaced or fixed for FREE right? There's no additional sale when they are under warranty. When was the PC ever party of the war between the PS3, XBox 360 and Wii? lol!!
Avatar image for EliteM0nk3y
EliteM0nk3y

3382

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 4

User Lists: 0

#71 EliteM0nk3y
Member since 2010 • 3382 Posts

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] gained a market, had some extremely well thought out hardware design, software design, and the only thing i could really point a finger at is RROD, but it was more of an engineering materials mistake that no one really could predict. ChubbyGuy40

Its hardware design is TERRIBLE. It had what,3 different revisions?Elite, Jasper, and Slim. Not to mention the failed HD-DVD drive. PS3 had 1 revision to make it smaller. The engineering team should've been fired.

Wii won this gen years ago, and it still failed in online and power. Didn't stop devs from making great games for it.

It had one design revision, the Slim. The Elite model just added a HDMI port, I hardly call that a "revision".

HD-DVD was an optional add-on, it only failed because Blu-Ray won.

And Jasper refers the the motherboard. MS just revised them to make production cheaper, motherboards smaller and use less power. Doesn't affect the performance of the 360, other than making it quiter.

Avatar image for Darksiders666
Darksiders666

272

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 7

User Lists: 0

#72 Darksiders666
Member since 2011 • 272 Posts

I have had my 360 over two and a half years and never had the problem.

Avatar image for taterfrickintot
taterfrickintot

2851

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 10

User Lists: 0

#73 taterfrickintot
Member since 2008 • 2851 Posts

ive had my 20gb 360 for 3 years and its still goin strong. *knocks on wood*

Avatar image for KC_Hokie
KC_Hokie

16099

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#74 KC_Hokie
Member since 2006 • 16099 Posts
I can make up stats too...watch! 120% of console gamers prefer the Xbox 360.
Avatar image for clone01
clone01

29845

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#75 clone01
Member since 2003 • 29845 Posts

meh, what are you going to do? i went through 2 ps1's and 3 ps2's during their respective generations so i'm used to things being junk and just accept it.

bummer but hey maybe third time will be the charm for ms the way it was for sony.

Riverwolf007
I've had a PS2, 360, and PS3 bust on me. Never had any problems with Nintendo consoles.
Avatar image for FragTycoon
FragTycoon

6430

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#76 FragTycoon
Member since 2008 • 6430 Posts

I don't know anyone in real life that still has a launch 360.... not one.

We all know a large percentage of 360 sales are re-buys.... but this is SW, admitting to such things would be worst then death.

Avatar image for KC_Hokie
KC_Hokie

16099

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#77 KC_Hokie
Member since 2006 • 16099 Posts

I don't know anyone in real life that still has a launch 360.... not one.

We all know a large percentage of 360 sales are re-buys.... but this is SW, admitting to such things would be worst then death.

FragTycoon
Independent industry analysts determined the failure rate of the average Xbox 360 and PS3 is nearly identical when you average in all models.
Avatar image for LOXO7
LOXO7

5595

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#78 LOXO7
Member since 2008 • 5595 Posts

I can pull stats out of thin air too. "99.9% of PS3 games stink."

At least Microsoft replaced all the broken 360's unlike all those DRE PS2's: "Sorry, unless you pay, you're SOL."

foxhound_fox

There isn't 1,000 games on the PS3 so how could the percentage be 99.9 :?

Avatar image for EliteM0nk3y
EliteM0nk3y

3382

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 4

User Lists: 0

#79 EliteM0nk3y
Member since 2010 • 3382 Posts

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

I can pull stats out of thin air too. "99.9% of PS3 games stink."

At least Microsoft replaced all the broken 360's unlike all those DRE PS2's: "Sorry, unless you pay, you're SOL."

LOXO7

There isn't 1,000 games on the PS3 so how could the percentage be 99.9 :?

.... I seriously hope you are kidding.

Avatar image for TheKing012
TheKing012

1191

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#80 TheKing012
Member since 2011 • 1191 Posts

RRod was effectively fixed in late 2008 with the Jasper and subsequently with the slim. If your console was manufactured before q4 2008 then there is a chance it could rrod. The exact same thing can be said for the ps3 which has also improved with newer revisions

radoman

he was probably was referring to error rate.

Avatar image for coasterguy65
coasterguy65

7133

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 9

User Lists: 0

#81 coasterguy65
Member since 2005 • 7133 Posts

I don't know anyone in real life that still has a launch 360.... not one.

We all know a large percentage of 360 sales are re-buys.... but this is SW, admitting to such things would be worst then death.

FragTycoon

I just traded my launch 20GB in this past May for a Slim, and until then it never had a problem. My cousin still has his launch console, and it works fine. There are still launch 360s out there working just fine.

Avatar image for LOXO7
LOXO7

5595

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#82 LOXO7
Member since 2008 • 5595 Posts

[QUOTE="LOXO7"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

I can pull stats out of thin air too. "99.9% of PS3 games stink."

At least Microsoft replaced all the broken 360's unlike all those DRE PS2's: "Sorry, unless you pay, you're SOL."

EliteM0nk3y

There isn't 1,000 games on the PS3 so how could the percentage be 99.9 :?

.... I seriously hope you are kidding.

No. The 54% listed makes more sense then 99.9. If you rounded up to point nine why wouldn't you just round to 100%? :haha: Bit of silliness but we must be constant. 54% is a ridiculous number and 99.9 is an even more ridiculous number. Who is more likely to be believed?

Avatar image for curono
curono

7722

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 21

User Lists: 0

#83 curono
Member since 2005 • 7722 Posts
So you play a console most of the time but PC won already... mhhhh... I SMELL SHENANEEEEEEGANS!
Avatar image for coreybg
coreybg

2608

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#84 coreybg
Member since 2009 • 2608 Posts

weren't we told that it was a fact that the ps3 had below .3% failure rate? yet it came out it was like 11%?

WilliamRLBaker

You mean they were lying to us about it being so low? :o

Now that I think about it, I wonder how much those 54.2% REALLY are.

Avatar image for DragonfireXZ95
DragonfireXZ95

26716

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#85 DragonfireXZ95
Member since 2005 • 26716 Posts
Mine red ringed. Fortunately, I can still play games that I install to the HDD with no disc. Disc drive is screwed up I guess, I'll have to replace that when a noteworthy game actually comes out(this year or next year) on the 360.
Avatar image for Twin-Blade
Twin-Blade

6806

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#86 Twin-Blade
Member since 2005 • 6806 Posts

Could have sworn this was a necro'd thread from 2007. It's 2011 TC.

Avatar image for Snugenz
Snugenz

13388

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#87 Snugenz
Member since 2006 • 13388 Posts

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

meh, what are you going to do? i went through 2 ps1's and 3 ps2's during their respective generations so i'm used to things being junk and just accept it.

bummer but hey maybe third time will be the charm for ms the way it was for sony.

clone01

I've had a PS2, 360, and PS3 bust on me. Never had any problems with Nintendo consoles.

Same except for the 360 and i'll add a PS1 and Xbox to the failures list, and everytime they were disc drive failures.

Nintendo consoles have always been reliable for me, which is why i still have my original NES, SNES, N64 and Gamecube (and DS and GBA).

Avatar image for Shewgenja
Shewgenja

21456

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#88 Shewgenja
Member since 2009 • 21456 Posts

So people are still operating under the erroneous assumption that 360 owners would spend money on a new console rather than use their warranty which fixers it for FREE, in order to adjust the world sales? A warranty that's 3 years and was retroactively applied to people who owned one before the policy change. It would be far more likely to adjust the PS2 sales (last at 140-150 MIL), since Sony NEVER offered free repairs for broken systems.

Word of advice; logic is your friend, don't fight it, and you'll see things in a better light :)

AdobeArtist

And you're operating under the assumption that all problematic electronics are just going to magically fail within the first three years because Microsoft can tell them to? Soapbox: denied

Avatar image for TheEroica
TheEroica

24558

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#89 TheEroica  Moderator
Member since 2009 • 24558 Posts

Or maybe people get pissed when their 360 breaks and buy a PS3. That's what I would do.

Silverbond
This... it allcomes out in the wash.
Avatar image for EliteM0nk3y
EliteM0nk3y

3382

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 4

User Lists: 0

#90 EliteM0nk3y
Member since 2010 • 3382 Posts

[QUOTE="EliteM0nk3y"]

[QUOTE="LOXO7"] There isn't 1,000 games on the PS3 so how could the percentage be 99.9 :?

LOXO7

.... I seriously hope you are kidding.

No. The 54% listed makes more sense then 99.9. If you rounded up to point nine why wouldn't you just round to 100%? :haha: Bit of silliness but we must be constant. 54% is a ridiculous number and 99.9 is an even more ridiculous number. Who is more likely to be believed?

I reread the post a little more and now I understand what LOXO7 was trying to say, and I know 99.9% doesn't make sense. I just misread the post.

Avatar image for Michael0134567
Michael0134567

28651

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 18

User Lists: 0

#91 Michael0134567
Member since 2008 • 28651 Posts
And I'm one of them. Sucks Imho.Mr_Cumberdale
What's "imho"?
Avatar image for radoman
radoman

297

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#92 radoman
Member since 2008 • 297 Posts

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] gained a market, had some extremely well thought out hardware design, software design, and the only thing i could really point a finger at is RROD, but it was more of an engineering materials mistake that no one really could predict. EliteM0nk3y

Its hardware design is TERRIBLE. It had what,3 different revisions?Elite, Jasper, and Slim. Not to mention the failed HD-DVD drive. PS3 had 1 revision to make it smaller. The engineering team should've been fired.

It had one design revision, the Slim. The Elite model just added a HDMI port, I hardly call that a "revision".

Neither of you know what you're talking about.

The 360 has had 6 hardware revisions and the ps3 has had 15. Hardware revisions meaning redesigned components to improve cost and reliabilty.

What he means by smart hardware design is in terms of system architecture where as the 360 is much easier on devs.

Avatar image for radoman
radoman

297

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#93 radoman
Member since 2008 • 297 Posts

Also to microsofts credit they did step up and offer a 3 year warranty on this problem. More than what you can say for sony who want a kings ransom to repair ylod and bad bluray lasers(very common problem).

Avatar image for fablesway
fablesway

23504

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#94 fablesway
Member since 2011 • 23504 Posts

Or maybe people get pissed when their 360 breaks and buy a PS3. That's what I would do.

Silverbond

When my xbox 360 got the rrod, i bought a ps3 and never looked back 8)

Avatar image for delta3074
delta3074

20003

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 0

#95 delta3074
Member since 2007 • 20003 Posts

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] gained a market, had some extremely well thought out hardware design, software design, and the only thing i could really point a finger at is RROD, but it was more of an engineering materials mistake that no one really could predict. EliteM0nk3y

Its hardware design is TERRIBLE. It had what,3 different revisions?Elite, Jasper, and Slim. Not to mention the failed HD-DVD drive. PS3 had 1 revision to make it smaller. The engineering team should've been fired.

Wii won this gen years ago, and it still failed in online and power. Didn't stop devs from making great games for it.

It had one design revision, the Slim. The Elite model just added a HDMI port, I hardly call that a "revision".

HD-DVD was an optional add-on, it only failed because Blu-Ray won.

And Jasper refers the the motherboard. MS just revised them to make production cheaper, motherboards smaller and use less power. Doesn't affect the performance of the 360, other than making it quiter.

actually it has had 2 motherboard design revisions, they actually redesigned the motherboard for the jasper chipset, they had too, but what people don't realise is that jasper basically solved the problem, MS found that high levels of RROD where caused by the substrate layer between the GPU and the motherboard, it wasn't rated to the temperatures the 360 was putting out, mainly because they where running the 12v extractor fans at 7.5v to cut down noise, it warped from cyclic heat damage eventually cracking the ball grid solder, MS used a much higher temperature rated substrate layer in the jaspers, which is why according to squaretrade the amount of warranty claims they had dropped to below 4% "Fortunately, SquareTrade found that Xbox 360 quality has improved dramatically since the third quarter of 2008, shortly before the 65nm CPU/GPU "Jasper" model was introduced. Since then, first-year failure rates have plummeted to below the 4 percent the company projected. Looking at 500 units purchased in 2009, SquareTrade found that less than 1 percent had suffered the Red Ring of Death." http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6216691.html?tag=latestheadlines;title;1