My 2006 360 just RROD'ed in January and now that I've had a chance to see how nice the Slim runs, I would've bought a new one anyway. I fully expect it to outlast my popping, cracking and freezing slim PS3. No complaints about Microsoft here.
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]
weren't we told that it was a fact that the ps3 had below .3% failure rate? yet it came out it was like 11%?
MozartXVI
well, typical sony. they won't admit that there's a problem until somebody takes them to court. then they get so butthurt that they take everyone else to court for the most trivial reasons :lol:
microsoft was in denial of red rings for awhile...it's a 2way street
[QUOTE="Jesus_on_fire"]
[QUOTE="gamer-adam1"]
If I made a poll asking if the world was flat or or a sphere, if more people said it was flat, than you would go around and say the world is flat?
gamer-adam1
Completely irrelevant to the topic at hand, but did you know no one in the history of the human ever thought that the world was flat?
not completely, because the 54.2% is based off a poll from a website. so he would believe the world is flat, because a poll on the internet told him it was
context and your brain are your best friends. use it next time
if more people said the earth was round, base on your logic, does it mean it's not true??
if you assess the situation properly, the RROD was apandemic
[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]I wasn't saying all 360 owners bought new 360's instead of using the warranty, i'm sayin there are people who had, in most cases because their warranty was up. That wasn't really my point, point was that IF the system war was based on sales then RROD should be brought into question.So people are still operating under the erroneous assumption that 360 owners would spend money on a new console rather than use their warranty which fixers it for FREE, in order to adjust the world sales? A warranty that's 3 years and was retroactively applied to people who owned one before the policy change. It would be far more likely to adjust the PS2 sales (last at 140-150 MIL), since Sony NEVER offered free repairs for broken systems.
Word of advice; logic is your friend, don't fight it, and you'll see things in a better light :)
Homiegesus
If that was your intent in making this thread, then BluRay should also be brought into question seeing as potentially millions of people bought the PS3 in its first couple of years only for watching movies.
Quickly you will realize the slippery slope of your argument just like the hundreds of people that have posted this exact same topic before you.
What did I wake up in 2008 again? Damn that Absinthe. Why do cows still bring this up? Is there a link to the number TC or are you just pulling a number out of your bum?
Ok 54.2% the percentage of original phat PS3s that have failed for YLoD...see I can do it too (jk I doubt that number or the RRoD is that high, probably closer to the 32% Square Trade has said for the RRoD). Both systems had some issues at the beginning, but the newer models are much better built...can't we just move on? :roll:
Plus stop trying to use the everyone had to go out and buy at least one new Xbox crap. Some people did I'm sure, but how many people were turned off of buying a new Xbox because of the reputation it got from the RRoD, and quality issues?
How many PS3 sales were from people replacing their broken YLoD, or broken blu-ray PS3s? How many were from people who got a PS3 free when they bought a TV? It works both ways.
On the other hand, 45.8% have the best time of their life.
2-10-08
Meaning your average 360 user is having a medicore time? :P
Well, I'm not so sure about the average worldwide percentage, but I do know it's higher than it should be. The failure rate for every 360 I've own is over 50% according to my calculations. :P
Also, PS3s malfunction more than what's known.
I think its safe to say that the PC has won the System War this year even though I've spent more time personally playing my Xbox 360 and PS3 which is mostly due to the fact that its more convienent. But, I thought it was interesting how everyone felt that the System War is based on sales which gave 360 an upperhand over PS3 yet there is such a large red ring percentage for their systems. Which may not effect sales in a negative way seeing as how we just go out and buy a new one if the warranty is up but it should factor in to the discussion. Is this a fair assessment?
Homiegesus
If you ask people (like me) who got a PS3 at launch how their aging unit is holding up, you'll find that half of them died... some of them numerous times. The PS3 board had a poll asking how many original PS3s broke last year, and it was 57%. And keep in mind, this is coming from diehard PS3 loyalists. So yes, the old 360s broke, and Microsoft extended the warranty and ultimately improved the design. Sure, some people abandonded the Xbox platform as a result, but far more people I imagine went out and bought new 360s without even thinking about it, so the Xbox isn't exactly a terrible piece of equipment.
RROD? Have I taken a time machine back to 2005-2007? :PStevo_the_gamerCosigned - the manure here is getting mighty deep. :P
RRod was effectively fixed in late 2008 with the Jasper and subsequently with the slim. If your console was manufactured before q4 2008 then there is a chance it could rrod. The exact same thing can be said for the ps3 which has also improved with newer revisions
the crysis 2 bieng superior on 360 news has people in a state of shock. so now where seeing this topic pop back up again. ive had 2 360's, an original that i gave away and the new slim. never saw a RROD. SORRY...I think its safe to say that the PC has won the System War this year even though I've spent more time personally playing my Xbox 360 and PS3 which is mostly due to the fact that its more convienent. But, I thought it was interesting how everyone felt that the System War is based on sales which gave 360 an upperhand over PS3 yet there is such a large red ring percentage for their systems. Which may not effect sales in a negative way seeing as how we just go out and buy a new one if the warranty is up but it should factor in to the discussion. Is this a fair assessment?
Homiegesus
[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]
weren't we told that it was a fact that the ps3 had below .3% failure rate? yet it came out it was like 11%?
MozartXVI
well, typical sony. they won't admit that there's a problem until somebody takes them to court. then they get so butthurt that they take everyone else to court for the most trivial reasons :lol:
MS still hasn't told us the percentage of RROD. And it took them a while to extend the warranty. You were saying?Warranty doesn't contribute to sales and those whose Xbox RROD'ed could have migrated to the PC or the PS3 instead. Your point?
I can pull stats out of thin air too. "99.9% of PS3 games stink."
At least Microsoft replaced all the broken 360's unlike all those DRE PS2's: "Sorry, unless you pay, you're SOL."
gained a market, had some extremely well thought out hardware design, software design, and the only thing i could really point a finger at is RROD, but it was more of an engineering materials mistake that no one really could predict. savagetwinkie
Its hardware design is TERRIBLE. It had what,3 different revisions?Elite, Jasper, and Slim. Not to mention the failed HD-DVD drive. PS3 had 1 revision to make it smaller. The engineering team should've been fired.
Wii won this gen years ago, and it still failed in online and power. Didn't stop devs from making great games for it.
meh, what are you going to do? i went through 2 ps1's and 3 ps2's during their respective generations so i'm used to things being junk and just accept it.
bummer but hey maybe third time will be the charm for ms the way it was for sony.
You do know that all those RROD consoles get replaced or fixed for FREE right? There's no additional sale when they are under warranty. When was the PC ever party of the war between the PS3, XBox 360 and Wii? lol!!I think its safe to say that the PC has won the System War this year even though I've spent more time personally playing my Xbox 360 and PS3 which is mostly due to the fact that its more convienent. But, I thought it was interesting how everyone felt that the System War is based on sales which gave 360 an upperhand over PS3 yet there is such a large red ring percentage for their systems. Which may not effect sales in a negative way seeing as how we just go out and buy a new one if the warranty is up but it should factor in to the discussion. Is this a fair assessment?
Homiegesus
[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] gained a market, had some extremely well thought out hardware design, software design, and the only thing i could really point a finger at is RROD, but it was more of an engineering materials mistake that no one really could predict. ChubbyGuy40
Its hardware design is TERRIBLE. It had what,3 different revisions?Elite, Jasper, and Slim. Not to mention the failed HD-DVD drive. PS3 had 1 revision to make it smaller. The engineering team should've been fired.
Wii won this gen years ago, and it still failed in online and power. Didn't stop devs from making great games for it.
It had one design revision, the Slim. The Elite model just added a HDMI port, I hardly call that a "revision".
HD-DVD was an optional add-on, it only failed because Blu-Ray won.
And Jasper refers the the motherboard. MS just revised them to make production cheaper, motherboards smaller and use less power. Doesn't affect the performance of the 360, other than making it quiter.
I've had a PS2, 360, and PS3 bust on me. Never had any problems with Nintendo consoles.meh, what are you going to do? i went through 2 ps1's and 3 ps2's during their respective generations so i'm used to things being junk and just accept it.
bummer but hey maybe third time will be the charm for ms the way it was for sony.
Riverwolf007
I don't know anyone in real life that still has a launch 360.... not one.
We all know a large percentage of 360 sales are re-buys.... but this is SW, admitting to such things would be worst then death.
Independent industry analysts determined the failure rate of the average Xbox 360 and PS3 is nearly identical when you average in all models.I don't know anyone in real life that still has a launch 360.... not one.
We all know a large percentage of 360 sales are re-buys.... but this is SW, admitting to such things would be worst then death.
FragTycoon
There isn't 1,000 games on the PS3 so how could the percentage be 99.9 :?I can pull stats out of thin air too. "99.9% of PS3 games stink."
At least Microsoft replaced all the broken 360's unlike all those DRE PS2's: "Sorry, unless you pay, you're SOL."foxhound_fox
There isn't 1,000 games on the PS3 so how could the percentage be 99.9 :?[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]
I can pull stats out of thin air too. "99.9% of PS3 games stink."
At least Microsoft replaced all the broken 360's unlike all those DRE PS2's: "Sorry, unless you pay, you're SOL."LOXO7
.... I seriously hope you are kidding.
RRod was effectively fixed in late 2008 with the Jasper and subsequently with the slim. If your console was manufactured before q4 2008 then there is a chance it could rrod. The exact same thing can be said for the ps3 which has also improved with newer revisions
radoman
he was probably was referring to error rate.
I don't know anyone in real life that still has a launch 360.... not one.
We all know a large percentage of 360 sales are re-buys.... but this is SW, admitting to such things would be worst then death.
FragTycoon
I just traded my launch 20GB in this past May for a Slim, and until then it never had a problem. My cousin still has his launch console, and it works fine. There are still launch 360s out there working just fine.
There isn't 1,000 games on the PS3 so how could the percentage be 99.9 :?[QUOTE="LOXO7"]
[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]
I can pull stats out of thin air too. "99.9% of PS3 games stink."
At least Microsoft replaced all the broken 360's unlike all those DRE PS2's: "Sorry, unless you pay, you're SOL."EliteM0nk3y
.... I seriously hope you are kidding.
No. The 54% listed makes more sense then 99.9. If you rounded up to point nine why wouldn't you just round to 100%? :haha: Bit of silliness but we must be constant. 54% is a ridiculous number and 99.9 is an even more ridiculous number. Who is more likely to be believed?[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]I've had a PS2, 360, and PS3 bust on me. Never had any problems with Nintendo consoles.meh, what are you going to do? i went through 2 ps1's and 3 ps2's during their respective generations so i'm used to things being junk and just accept it.
bummer but hey maybe third time will be the charm for ms the way it was for sony.
clone01
Same except for the 360 and i'll add a PS1 and Xbox to the failures list, and everytime they were disc drive failures.
Nintendo consoles have always been reliable for me, which is why i still have my original NES, SNES, N64 and Gamecube (and DS and GBA).
And you're operating under the assumption that all problematic electronics are just going to magically fail within the first three years because Microsoft can tell them to? Soapbox: deniedSo people are still operating under the erroneous assumption that 360 owners would spend money on a new console rather than use their warranty which fixers it for FREE, in order to adjust the world sales? A warranty that's 3 years and was retroactively applied to people who owned one before the policy change. It would be far more likely to adjust the PS2 sales (last at 140-150 MIL), since Sony NEVER offered free repairs for broken systems.
Word of advice; logic is your friend, don't fight it, and you'll see things in a better light :)
AdobeArtist
[QUOTE="EliteM0nk3y"]
[QUOTE="LOXO7"] There isn't 1,000 games on the PS3 so how could the percentage be 99.9 :?
LOXO7
.... I seriously hope you are kidding.
No. The 54% listed makes more sense then 99.9. If you rounded up to point nine why wouldn't you just round to 100%? :haha: Bit of silliness but we must be constant. 54% is a ridiculous number and 99.9 is an even more ridiculous number. Who is more likely to be believed?I reread the post a little more and now I understand what LOXO7 was trying to say, and I know 99.9% doesn't make sense. I just misread the post.
[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]
[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] gained a market, had some extremely well thought out hardware design, software design, and the only thing i could really point a finger at is RROD, but it was more of an engineering materials mistake that no one really could predict. EliteM0nk3y
Its hardware design is TERRIBLE. It had what,3 different revisions?Elite, Jasper, and Slim. Not to mention the failed HD-DVD drive. PS3 had 1 revision to make it smaller. The engineering team should've been fired.
It had one design revision, the Slim. The Elite model just added a HDMI port, I hardly call that a "revision".
Neither of you know what you're talking about.
The 360 has had 6 hardware revisions and the ps3 has had 15. Hardware revisions meaning redesigned components to improve cost and reliabilty.
What he means by smart hardware design is in terms of system architecture where as the 360 is much easier on devs.
[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]
[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] gained a market, had some extremely well thought out hardware design, software design, and the only thing i could really point a finger at is RROD, but it was more of an engineering materials mistake that no one really could predict. EliteM0nk3y
Its hardware design is TERRIBLE. It had what,3 different revisions?Elite, Jasper, and Slim. Not to mention the failed HD-DVD drive. PS3 had 1 revision to make it smaller. The engineering team should've been fired.
Wii won this gen years ago, and it still failed in online and power. Didn't stop devs from making great games for it.
It had one design revision, the Slim. The Elite model just added a HDMI port, I hardly call that a "revision".
HD-DVD was an optional add-on, it only failed because Blu-Ray won.
And Jasper refers the the motherboard. MS just revised them to make production cheaper, motherboards smaller and use less power. Doesn't affect the performance of the 360, other than making it quiter.
actually it has had 2 motherboard design revisions, they actually redesigned the motherboard for the jasper chipset, they had too, but what people don't realise is that jasper basically solved the problem, MS found that high levels of RROD where caused by the substrate layer between the GPU and the motherboard, it wasn't rated to the temperatures the 360 was putting out, mainly because they where running the 12v extractor fans at 7.5v to cut down noise, it warped from cyclic heat damage eventually cracking the ball grid solder, MS used a much higher temperature rated substrate layer in the jaspers, which is why according to squaretrade the amount of warranty claims they had dropped to below 4% "Fortunately, SquareTrade found that Xbox 360 quality has improved dramatically since the third quarter of 2008, shortly before the 65nm CPU/GPU "Jasper" model was introduced. Since then, first-year failure rates have plummeted to below the 4 percent the company projected. Looking at 500 units purchased in 2009, SquareTrade found that less than 1 percent had suffered the Red Ring of Death." http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6216691.html?tag=latestheadlines;title;1Please Log In to post.
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