Xbox 360 sharing the fate of the Nintendo 64...

Remember the 64? Of course you do!! Who could forget such a lovable console. All those incredible multiplayer games; Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Super Smash Bros, Mario Kart, Turok. This is just the tip of the iceberg, a whole lot of more games could be listed. It had an incredible run, can't deny that.

But in the end it died alone, Nintendo was the only developer still publishing games for the console. Every Third-party developer left like a bat out of hell. The reason? well... It was running on cartridges!!!! A very limited format, once the Nintendo 64 got to its peak, third-party developers started to notice another format that surpassed the cartridge (well... except for the loading time).

And now with the current war we come to the same dilemma; the DVD format is peaking or peaked, very little can be done to extend its life. So it's just a matter of time for the Third-party developers to start leaving Microsoft to join the current format (Blue-Ray). Hollywood has already joined the Blue-Ray (Pixar, Paramount, Columbia, etc). With the current price drop Microsoft has given the Xbox what it takes to survive through 2009 (I wouldn't be amazed of another price drop in 6 to 8 months). ID software has announced that their upcomming game "Rage" WILL LOOK BETTER on the PS3, so this only the first of many, many, many more games that will achieve this...

That won't happen with the 360 though. They'll just release a new one before the rest to get in the sales from blind loyalists.

And the 360 is significantly better than the Xbox. The N64 was a step down.

Poor comparison.

The N64 was losing third party support every year. Games were released on the PS1 but not on it.

With the 360 happens exactly the contrary. Everytime are more the devs that come to it, now even japanese ones (Square Enix, for example). It has made muliplats of old Sony exclusives, and has created a big bunch of exclusives, both old (Halo) and new (Gears).

The 360 is in a far more solid position that the N64 was.

This is one of the worst historical analogies I have seen in a while.AdmiralDan

Blu Ray isn't exactly taking off right now, and it's benefits to gaming have been minimal if not non existent as a whole.CronoSquall

hd isn't taking off.

Yes it's gonna have a nice holiday season with the price drop and Gears 2, that can't be denied. But honestly, do you see the DVD format going strong one year from now???? Do you think Blue-Ray games will look the way they look like now??? There's very little that can be done to improve the DVD format, and the Blue-Ray is just getting started.Macalation

Graphics don't depend on the storage device, but on the engine used by the devs. And with the uncoming Unreal Engine 3.5, games will look better, regardless of their storage format.

Do you think Sony won't update it's engine also??
Do you think Sony will stay this adamant about a price drop when December comes??Macalation

1. Sony doesn't have an own engine. The Unreal 3 is used by most devs.

2. Nope. But that's offtopic.

[QUOTE="AdmiralDan"]This is one of the worst historical analogies I have seen in a while.nervmeister

I agree.

[QUOTE="Macalation"] The Unreal 3 is used by most devs.

IronBass

The new engine won't be the savior of the 360, it will be it's demise. GOW 2 trailer prolly wasn't running on a 360 so don't get your hopes up it will look like the trailer

The Wii uses the DVD format.

Another flaw in your argument is that 3rd parties arent pulling out of the 360. Software sales of the 360 are excelent.

Case dismissed.

[QUOTE="IronBass"]

The Unreal 3 is used by most devs. Macalation

The new engine won't be the savior of the 360, it will be it's demise. GOW 2 trailer prolly wasn't running on a 360 so don't get your hopes up it will look like the trailer

I'm not saying it will be the savior, especially because the 360 doesn't need a savior: it is selling well (more than the original Xbox) and it is getting tons of third party support.

And, can you prove the demos of Gears 2 (the one I played in the Leipzig convention some weeks ago) can't run on a 360? For me the console looked like a 360.

it is selling well (more than the original Xbox)IronBass

and that's about the only console that is outselling cause the gamecube 1.6 (oh! excuse me the Wii), the DS, PSP, PS3 and even the PS2 are selling better than the 360. Do you remember the trailer GOW?? Can you say that GOW looks and performed exactly like the trailer?? and let's not forget the occasional crash while playing GOW since sometimes it was too much for the 360.
Yes it has a nice Third-party support, but like I said before the 360 is at its peak and its all downhill from here. It's just a matter of time for the Third party support to realise that they have done all they can on the 360.

[QUOTE="IronBass"]

it is selling well (more than the original Xbox)Macalation

and that's about the only console that is outselling cause the gamecube 1.6 (oh! excuse me the Wii), the DS, PSP, PS3 and even the PS2 are selling better than the 360. Do you remember the trailer GOW?? Can you say that GOW looks and performed exactly like the trailer?? and let's not forget the occasional crash while playing GOW since sometimes it was too much for the 360.
Yes it has a nice Third-party support, but like I said before the 360 is at its peak and its all downhill from here. It's just a matter of time for the Third party support to realise that they have done all they can on the 360.

Eh... no. Just no.

[QUOTE="Macalation"]

[QUOTE="IronBass"]

The Unreal 3 is used by most devs. IronBass

The new engine won't be the savior of the 360, it will be it's demise. GOW 2 trailer prolly wasn't running on a 360 so don't get your hopes up it will look like the trailer

I'm not saying it will be the savior, especially because the 360 doesn't need a savior: it is selling well (more than the original Xbox) and it is getting tons of third party support.

And, can you prove the demos of Gears 2 (the one I played in the Leipzig convention some weeks ago) can't run on a 360? For me the console looked like a 360.

How was it? :D

[QUOTE="AdmiralDan"]This is one of the worst historical analogies I have seen in a while.nervmeister

To be honest both are bad comparations....3DO was a failure but it was the first panasonic system. Sony had everything on their hands to dominate this gen acording to last 2 gens success. It makes the ps3 one of the biggest flops ever

Remember the 64? Of course you do!! Who could forget such a lovable console. All those incredible multiplayer games; Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Super Smash Bros, Mario Kart, Turok. This is just the tip of the iceberg, a whole lot of more games could be listed. It had an incredible run, can't deny that.

But in the end it died alone, Nintendo was the only developer still publishing games for the console. Every Third-party developer left like a bat out of hell. The reason? well... It was running on cartridges!!!! A very limited format, once the Nintendo 64 got to its peak, third-party developers started to notice another format that surpassed the cartridge (well... except for the loading time).

And now with the current war we come to the same dilemma; the DVD format is peaking or peaked, very little can be done to extend its life. So it's just a matter of time for the Third-party developers to start leaving Microsoft to join the current format (Blue-Ray). Hollywood has already joined the Blue-Ray (Pixar, Paramount, Columbia, etc). With the current price drop Microsoft has given the Xbox what it takes to survive through 2009 (I wouldn't be amazed of another price drop in 6 to 8 months). ID software has announced that their upcomming game "Rage" WILL LOOK BETTER on the PS3, so this only the first of many, many, many more games that will achieve this...

Macalation

You do realize that the XBox 360 has the most games that have sold more then 1 million copies right. I think it's something like 40+ games that have surpassed over 1 million copies. I think the PS3 has maybe 15 or 16. You really think that developers are going to stop making games for a game console that has the potential to sell over a million copies of their games? You're dreaming.

PS3 game sales have not been great by any means. Sure MGS4 has done fantastic, but their other titles like Lair, Haze, Folklore, Genji, Gundam, NBA 07, MLB: The Show 07/08, Ratchet & Clank, Time Crisis 4 etc.. all sold poorly.There are still developers on the fence about the PS3. Tecmo didn't even want to make games for it. Other companies like Capcom, SquareEnix and Namco are jumping ship and making more games for the XBox 360.

Please do some research on the matter next time. Xbox is not sharing any fate with the N64 or Dreamcast. It's already a huge success and there are many, many more games be made for the Xbox 360. The PS3 has more games on a LIST, but the XBox 360 has more game completed and ready for to be shipped.

Do you think Sony won't update it's engine also??
Do you think Sony will stay this adamant about a price drop when December comes??Macalation

Yes. If they do decide to drop the price, they are going to lose billions for their 4th quarter, I don't think they want that. Sony wants to make some kind of profit this year, even if it's just from the games.

A price drop from them in Nov or Dec is unlikely, but stranger things have happened. I think Sony will wait and see how well the 360 is selling before they decide if a price drop is necessary or not this year. Right now, it's a definite "NO".

Cartridges too CD =/= DVD too Blu-Ray imo. I don't think 360 will have the same problem as N64.

First the 360 was like the Dreamcast, now it's like the N64.

What's next the Saturn?

Last time I checked the N64 didn't have a very successful online component to keep it competitive.Nor did it have a library as good as the 360's.

The N64 had some of the best games of all time. Self-ownedair_wolf_cubed

First the 360 was like the Dreamcast, now it's like the N64.

What's next the Saturn?

Last time I checked the N64 didn't have a very successful online component to keep it competitive.Nor did it have a library as good as the 360's.

heretrix

I think in terms of games, 360 is like ps2 and ps3 is like xbox1 with the diference that graphically xbox1 was>>>>>>ps2 and ps3 and 360 are on the same level

That won't happen with the 360 though. They'll just release a new one before the rest to get in the sales from blind loyalists.

And the 360 is significantly better than the Xbox. The N64 was a step down.

Poor comparison.

poker-face

Wow. How could you try to diss the N64:o

Probably the greatest console ever made right next to Dreamcast.

[QUOTE="poker-face"]

That won't happen with the 360 though. They'll just release a new one before the rest to get in the sales from blind loyalists.

And the 360 is significantly better than the Xbox. The N64 was a step down.

Poor comparison.

gamefan67

Wow. How could you try to diss the N64:o

Probably the greatest console ever made right next to Dreamcast.

There is no way the Xbox 360 is any way like the N64. No resemblence whatsoever.

The PS3 however, is just like the N64, in almost every way.

The new engine won't be the savior of the 360, it will be it's demise. GOW 2 trailer prolly wasn't running on a 360 so don't get your hopes up it will look like the trailer

Macalation

/facepalm

Surely if it didnt look like the trailer it would've been picked up on by now by all those people that ... you know played the game:roll:

Remember the 64? Of course you do!! Who could forget such a lovable console. All those incredible multiplayer games; Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Super Smash Bros, Mario Kart, Turok. This is just the tip of the iceberg, a whole lot of more games could be listed. It had an incredible run, can't deny that.

But in the end it died alone, Nintendo was the only developer still publishing games for the console. Every Third-party developer left like a bat out of hell. The reason? well... It was running on cartridges!!!! A very limited format, once the Nintendo 64 got to its peak, third-party developers started to notice another format that surpassed the cartridge (well... except for the loading time).

And now with the current war we come to the same dilemma; the DVD format is peaking or peaked, very little can be done to extend its life. So it's just a matter of time for the Third-party developers to start leaving Microsoft to join the current format (Blue-Ray). Hollywood has already joined the Blue-Ray (Pixar, Paramount, Columbia, etc). With the current price drop Microsoft has given the Xbox what it takes to survive through 2009 (I wouldn't be amazed of another price drop in 6 to 8 months). ID software has announced that their upcomming game "Rage" WILL LOOK BETTER on the PS3, so this only the first of many, many, many more games that will achieve this...

Macalation

What did the blu-ray ever do? Added more cutscenes to MGS4 of course. So I guess...

What did the blu-ray ever do? Added more cutscenes to MGS4 of course. So I guess...

Iraqi_Gangster

MGS4 - 10. Don't spam.

This is rediculous, the 360 has tons of 3rd party support, and I'm pretty sure that if they wanted to embrace the Ps3's blue-ray so badly, they would of already went over to Sony.

And, why would they leave a console that has amazing software sales any way.