xbox 360 slim built worse than the original?? PS3 owns this department...

54%..........

2005 called, it wants its statistic back.

ZuneHD

[QUOTE="ZuneHD"]

54%..........

2005 called, it wants its statistic back.

WilliamRLBaker

It was August 2009. I have the issue.

[QUOTE="monkeysmoke"][QUOTE="04dcarraher"] Even the jaspers have around a 20% RROD rate per year, their little fixes only helped extend the life of the 360, but they didnt fix the the main problem, the cooling. a simple fan addition could have prevented half the overheating issues. 04dcarraher

Um... no the if the jasper from MS fixed the RROD then why did two of my freind's jasper models of the 360, RROD'ed at 6 and 9 months later ? Dont believe the propaganda, the jaspers only lower the power load and heat produced by only 18% or so. The cooling in all the 360's arent enough even with all the die shrinks and liittle cooling upgrades (air duct and heatpipe).

I've been in my house 2 years and it came out 1 year after I moved in. It was a tad over a year ago.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="ZuneHD"]

54%..........

2005 called, it wants its statistic back.

clruff

It was August 2009. I have the issue.

yes but it covered all 360s bought from launch until late 2007 was it?

either way instead of doing Jasper only 360s (the right thing to do at the time), they foolishly did a survey of all 360 purchased throughout its lifespan.

high quality stuff tends to have more risks

xbox is still better that is why when ppl get RROD they still continue to buy the xbox 360

BIacckAce

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="ZuneHD"]

54%..........

2005 called, it wants its statistic back.

clruff

It was August 2009. I have the issue.

After having one RRoD on me and hearing of tons and tons of them RRoD on people. I can't help but wonder how MS couldn't have known about this problem prior to them releasing the 360. I would bet that they did and released it anyway.

After having one RRoD on me and hearing of tons and tons of them RRoD on people. I can't help but wonder how MS couldn't have known about this problem prior to them releasing the 360. I would bet that they did and released it anyway.

clruff

Oh good another one of those..I have a statement in the heading...so you will come in and expect to see some kind of facts, but once you get inside the thread you see I'm just asking a question threads.

OH and the 54% is pretty much known to not be a true number. It was taken from a poll made up by Game Informer magazine with no scientific accuracy. It's like putting up a poll here on cowspot and asking how many people have had their Xbox 360s break on them. Cows will come out of the woodwork to vote yep...I've had 10+ break on me, even when they never owned one. Squaretrade has said the actual numbers were in the 30% range...still high, but I trust their number more since they are the ones selling extended warranties, and then repairing consoles under those warranties. The only true accurate numbers would be from Microsoft, but since they have never released numbers there is no way to know what the accurate number is.

[QUOTE="Cali3350"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] thanks, I made a few for friends and that were getting getting tired of their 360's RRoD'ing, When my brother's 360 died the 3rd time I talked to the UPS guy, and he told me they get 20-30 xbox's a week at that store. And I dont live in a hot area, so I believe the 30% RROD rate and the other 20% of other hardware failure rates.04dcarraher

I genuinely believe every single 360 made in the first two years of production will fail within the somewhat near future. Its a broken design that cannot sustain itself with directly modifying the console like you did. I still cant believe M$ released that.

I think the updated model at 2 years fixes it for well ventillated areas and the new one fixes it for good (minus random hardware failures).

Link to the 20% failure rate of Jaspers? Last I heard it was like 3%.

Please prove where you found "20% of JASPER RROD" because i've not yet seen any jasper RROD even if you google search you'll find more PS3 YLOD than a jasper RROD. M$ already fixed the RROD problem with the jasper so the even more advanced than the jasper unit.monkeysmoke

Um... no the if the jasper from MS fixed the RROD then why did two of my freind's jasper models of the 360, RROD'ed at 6 and 9 months later ? Dont believe the propaganda, the jaspers only lower the power load and heat produced by only 18% or so. The cooling in all the 360's arent enough even with all the die shrinks and liittle cooling upgrades (air duct and heatpipe).

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="Cali3350"] Even the jaspers have around a 20% RROD rate per year, their little fixes only helped extend the life of the 360, but they didnt fix the the main problem, the cooling. a simple fan addition could have prevented half the overheating issues. coasterguy65

Link to the 20% failure rate of Jaspers? Last I heard it was like 3%.

Nothing is under 5% I know 4 people who bought jaspers and two have RROD within a year.

for anyone who wants to know all about the slim and take a good look inside http://www.anandtech.com/show/3774/welcome-to-valhalla-inside-the-new-250gb-xbox-360-slim/1delta3074

If you're going to make a believable 360 failure rate thread, avoid mentioning "how awesome and well built the ps3 is" in the same thread. It takes away from your credibility.

I haven't heard anything bad about the new Xbox, seems to be pretty solid, still has those disc scratching problems though.FIipMode

wait, what disc scratching problem? I didnt realize there were any disc scratches during normal use with the new 360 models?

or do you mean when you pick it up and shake it? because thats not a design flaw... thats how dvd drives work. Thats like saying your windows are defective because every time you throw a rock at them they shatter. If you mistreat electronics they break, regardless of how well they are made.

[QUOTE="FIipMode"]I haven't heard anything bad about the new Xbox, seems to be pretty solid, still has those disc scratching problems though.markinthedark

wait, what disc scratching problem? I didnt realize there were any disc scratches during normal use with the 360 models?

or do you mean you pick it up and shake it? because thats not a design flaw... thats how dvd drives work. Thats like saying your windows are defective because every time you throw a rock at them they shatter. If you mistreat electronics they break, regardless of how well they are made.

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="KaoSXFACTOR"]

360 is beating the PS3 in games, exclusives, sales, and scores..... Just get over it!

KaoSXFACTOR

At least these :lol: don't help your argument, and the 360 still has more games, exclusives, sales, and scores.

And yet Gran Turismo has outsold any & every single xbox & xbox 360 game to have ever been released, the whole series has sold more than the Xbox 360 itself. Uncharted 2 has outscored every single game 360 could ever had. And Sony's 1st & 2nd party developers are bigger than MS & Ninetndo combined. Plus you're arguing for a 3 million difference between PS3 & 360? :P

microsoft should just stick to software they are not even that great at that .

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="FIipMode"]I haven't heard anything bad about the new Xbox, seems to be pretty solid, still has those disc scratching problems though.FIipMode

wait, what disc scratching problem? I didnt realize there were any disc scratches during normal use with the 360 models?

or do you mean you pick it up and shake it? because thats not a design flaw... thats how dvd drives work. Thats like saying your windows are defective because every time you throw a rock at them they shatter. If you mistreat electronics they break, regardless of how well they are made.

so you mean put a slot loading drive on it? they can scratch discs too if you shake the console around during operation, they simply are less prone (but more prone to jamming). Quick jarring movements of a console when the disc is spinning is simply crappy behavior regardless and not what the console was designed for.

[QUOTE="FIipMode"]

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

wait, what disc scratching problem? I didnt realize there were any disc scratches during normal use with the 360 models?

or do you mean you pick it up and shake it? because thats not a design flaw... thats how dvd drives work. Thats like saying your windows are defective because every time you throw a rock at them they shatter. If you mistreat electronics they break, regardless of how well they are made.

markinthedark

so you mean put a slot loading drive on it? they can scratch discs too if you shake the console around during operation, they simply are less prone (but more prone to jamming). Quick jarring movements of a console when the disc is spinning is simply crappy behavior regardless and not what the console was designed for.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

As soon as I saw "54% failure rate" i said to myself: "God, will people stop quoting Spetember 2009 issue of GI"...seriously though

WilliamRLBaker

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

As soon as I saw "54% failure rate" i said to myself: "God, will people stop quoting Spetember 2009 issue of GI"...seriously though

WilliamRLBaker

Please prove where you found "20% of JASPER RROD" because i've not yet seen any jasper RROD even if you google search you'll find more PS3 YLOD than a jasper RROD. M$ already fixed the RROD problem with the jasper so the even more advanced than the jasper unit.monkeysmoke

Um... no the if the jasper from MS fixed the RROD then why did two of my freind's jasper models of the 360, RROD'ed at 6 and 9 months later ? Dont believe the propaganda, the jaspers only lower the power load and heat produced by only 18% or so. The cooling in all the 360's arent enough even with all the die shrinks and liittle cooling upgrades (air duct and heatpipe).

I literally know over a hundred people who have gone through multiple xbox 360s....kong_sevixnine

[QUOTE="kong_sevixnine"]I literally know over a hundred people who have gone through multiple xbox 360s....JohnF111

Please explain how shipping it to microsoft so they can, free of charge, repair the console counts as a sale for MS?

[QUOTE="kong_sevixnine"]I literally know over a hundred people who have gone through multiple xbox 360s....JohnF111

You can always trust MS on laughable quality products.kuraimen

You can always trust MS on laughable quality products.Pkuraimen

Which is why your on your first Windows OS copy?

i highly doubt the new 360 slims will be anywhere near as unrelieable as the original, the single 45nm die which houses the GPU and CPU are placed right next to the right intake vent, with a heat sink on top with a fan directly on top of that that exhausts the air through the top vent, the problem with the original , apart from a dodgy substrate layer, was the distance the two fans had to drag the air through the console,it just wasn't dragging in enough cold air, i fixed mine by attaching two stackfans to the back running at 12v instead of 7.5v to increase the amount of air being inhaled into the console.delta3074

[QUOTE="monkeysmoke"][QUOTE="04dcarraher"] Um... no the if the jasper from MS fixed the RROD then why did two of my freind's jasper models of the 360, RROD'ed at 6 and 9 months later ? Dont believe the propaganda, the jaspers only lower the power load and heat produced by only 18% or so.The cooling in all the 360's arent enough even with all the die shrinks and liittle cooling upgrades (air duct and heatpipe).04dcarraher

my 360 slim build quality is kinda bad. the side vents feel like they've been tacked on with some cheap glue, the dvd drives makes weird shaking sound when it opens and closes andsometimes the disc drive makes a noise like its chopping my disc inside. ps3 indeed owns this department