Xbox 360 will end up in last place...

...and Microsoft will have no one to blame but themselves.

Xbox 360 is the only console I currently own, but it doesn't take much to see that MS is shooting themselves in the foot. These are the reasons:

1. High caliber exclusives missing the mark. Games like Alan Wake and Fable II are undoubtedly great games, but they just don't messure up to Uncharted 2 and MGS4. It's not a matter of graphics (AW and Fable II are both great looking games); it's that they can't compete when it comes to quality and polish.

2. Not being friendly to MMO developers. Really big mistake. There is potentionally a huge audience of gamers who would love to get addicted to an MMO on a console, but Microsoft isn't letting it happen. Very foolish.

3. Missing sweet spots in pricing. The redesigned 360 should have released at $250 -- the thing would have been sold out through Christmas time. Also, the Kinect releasing at $150? Are you effing crazy? That means you're asking casuals to pay $200 for a 360 (assuming a lower end model releases), and then $150 for the Kintect. $350 for a gaming system this late in the generation doesn't cut it. Kinect should be releasing for $100 tops. Mark my words; the Kinect is going to bomb at the $150 price point.

So what does MS need to do? Take a page out of Sony's book. I love my 360, and it started strong, but it's obviously losing steam and MS needs to fix these issues.

I agree on most parts, but I don't think the MMO crowd will migrate to consoles.

I agree on most parts, but I don't think the MMO crowd will migrate to consoles.

felipebo

I agree on most parts, but I don't think the MMO crowd will migrate to consoles.

felipebo

Yeah, that Kinect price is crazy. And the Kinect games will cost $60. *shakes head*

motion controls by Sony and MS are laughable, but were inevitable, Kinect is garbage in my eyes.

as for ending in last place, probably not.

Not even if Final Fantasy XIV proves to be awesome? That's a missed opportunity, IMO.Sooshy

Yeah, that Kinect price is crazy. And the Kinect games will cost $60. *shakes head*

cloudff7tm

[QUOTE="Sooshy"]Not even if Final Fantasy XIV proves to be awesome? That's a missed opportunity, IMO.CentricStorm

...and Microsoft will have no one to blame but themselves.

Xbox 360 is the only console I currently own, but it doesn't take much to see that MS is shooting themselves in the foot. These are the reasons:

1. High caliber exclusives missing the mark. Games like Alan Wake and Fable II are undoubtedly great games, but they just don't messure up to Uncharted 2 and MGS4. It's not a matter of graphics (AW and Fable II are both great looking games); it's that they can't compete when it comes to quality and polish.

2. Not being friendly to MMO developers. Really big mistake. There is potentionally a huge audience of gamers who would love to get addicted to an MMO on a console, but Microsoft isn't letting it happen. Very foolish.

3. Missing sweet spots in pricing. The redesigned 360 should have released at $250 -- the thing would have been sold out through Christmas time. Also, the Kinect releasing at $150? Are you effing crazy? That means you're asking casuals to pay $200 for a 360 (assuming a lower end model releases), and then $150 for the Kintect. $350 for a gaming system this late in the generation doesn't cut it. Kinect should be releasing for $100 tops. Mark my words; the Kinect is going to bomb at the $150 price point.

So what does MS need to do? Take a page out of Sony's book. I love my 360, and it started strong, but it's obviously losing steam and MS needs to fix these issues.

Sooshy

Lol so if they come in last that means they've lost?............They may loose the battle, but Microsoft will always win the war....Because they have the most money, lol

I agree with your topic just not with any of your points (especially the first one).

If MS fails it will be because they have abondoned what made them popular in the first place great hardcore games, and exciting Xbox live features.

5 years later ps3 is still last maybe for another couple more years even.. even if ps3 overtakes it in 2012 it basically got last place this gen because by then the 720 will be looming.

[QUOTE="Sooshy"]I didn't say that... I just think there's an untapped market for potential console MMO players.CentricStorm

Showing some fanboyism aren't yah?

...and Microsoft will have no one to blame but themselves.

Xbox 360 is the only console I currently own, but it doesn't take much to see that MS is shooting themselves in the foot. These are the reasons:

1. High caliber exclusives missing the mark. Games like Alan Wake and Fable II are undoubtedly great games, but they just don't messure up to Uncharted 2 and MGS4. It's not a matter of graphics (AW and Fable II are both great looking games); it's that they can't compete when it comes to quality and polish.

2. Not being friendly to MMO developers. Really big mistake. There is potentionally a huge audience of gamers who would love to get addicted to an MMO on a console, but Microsoft isn't letting it happen. Very foolish.

3. Missing sweet spots in pricing. The redesigned 360 should have released at $250 -- the thing would have been sold out through Christmas time. Also, the Kinect releasing at $150? Are you effing crazy? That means you're asking casuals to pay $200 for a 360 (assuming a lower end model releases), and then $150 for the Kintect. $350 for a gaming system this late in the generation doesn't cut it. Kinect should be releasing for $100 tops. Mark my words; the Kinect is going to bomb at the $150 price point.

So what does MS need to do? Take a page out of Sony's book. I love my 360, and it started strong, but it's obviously losing steam and MS needs to fix these issues.

Sooshy

I dont think High Quality means high sales some times.

And I dont think the MMo on the console is a big necessity.

And right now theyre still priced better then PS3.

i dont know about that 150$ arcade, new model

and for people that dont care about online and just wanna play new games 360 is the way to go cuz you got another 150 to spend on games

and i wouldnt count kinect out so fast. im sure you guys did the same with the wii and look what happened

I can't see the 360 ending up last... However games wise the 360 has been poor since 2009...

I can't see the 360 ending up last... However games wise the 360 has been poor since 2009...

racing1750

forza, L4D2, ME2, bayonetta, alan wake, RDR

yea its been a sad time for 360 lol

[QUOTE="racing1750"]

I can't see the 360 ending up last... However games wise the 360 has been poor since 2009...

johnnyblazed88

forza, L4D2, ME2, bayonetta, alan wake, RDR

yea its been a sad time for 360 lol

[QUOTE="racing1750"]

I can't see the 360 ending up last... However games wise the 360 has been poor since 2009...

johnnyblazed88

forza, L4D2, ME2, bayonetta, alan wake, RDR

yea its been a sad time for 360 lol

I think hes talking exclusive wise. Which out of you list is only 2 games.

[QUOTE="johnnyblazed88"]

[QUOTE="racing1750"]

I can't see the 360 ending up last... However games wise the 360 has been poor since 2009...

forza, L4D2, ME2, bayonetta, alan wake, RDR

yea its been a sad time for 360 lol

I think hes talking exclusive wise. Which out of you list is only 2 games.

[QUOTE="johnnyblazed88"]

[QUOTE="racing1750"]

I can't see the 360 ending up last... However games wise the 360 has been poor since 2009...

racing1750

forza, L4D2, ME2, bayonetta, alan wake, RDR

yea its been a sad time for 360 lol

...and Microsoft will have no one to blame but themselves.

Xbox 360 is the only console I currently own, but it doesn't take much to see that MS is shooting themselves in the foot. These are the reasons:

1. High caliber exclusives missing the mark. Games like Alan Wake and Fable II are undoubtedly great games, but they just don't messure up to Uncharted 2 and MGS4. It's not a matter of graphics (AW and Fable II are both great looking games); it's that they can't compete when it comes to quality and polish.

2. Not being friendly to MMO developers. Really big mistake. There is potentionally a huge audience of gamers who would love to get addicted to an MMO on a console, but Microsoft isn't letting it happen. Very foolish.

3. Missing sweet spots in pricing. The redesigned 360 should have released at $250 -- the thing would have been sold out through Christmas time. Also, the Kinect releasing at $150? Are you effing crazy? That means you're asking casuals to pay $200 for a 360 (assuming a lower end model releases), and then $150 for the Kintect. $350 for a gaming system this late in the generation doesn't cut it. Kinect should be releasing for $100 tops. Mark my words; the Kinect is going to bomb at the $150 price point.

So what does MS need to do? Take a page out of Sony's book. I love my 360, and it started strong, but it's obviously losing steam and MS needs to fix these issues.

Sooshy

[QUOTE="johnnyblazed88"]

forza, L4D2, ME2, bayonetta, alan wake, RDR

yea its been a sad time for 360 lol

5 years later ps3 is still last maybe for another couple more years even.. even if ps3 overtakes it in 2012 it basically got last place this gen because by then the 720 will be looming.

KBFloYd

This, and I'd take the two MS games over the two Sony games you listed... personal preferance I guess. :)

[QUOTE="young_doe"][QUOTE="racing1750"] Hmm4 multiplat, and 2 exclusive :? Forza 3 in 2009. Alan wake in 2010.

racing1750

What kind of twisted agrument is that?? As a gamer you should only care if the games releasedfor your system are good or not. Going by your logic multiplats don't bring any plus value to a system at all. Good luck telling that to all Lemmings enjoying the hell out of Bayonetta, ME2 etc.

There are many that consider (me included) that Bayonetta on the 360 is a better game than MGS4 and UC2, so there goes your reasoning down the toilet I guess.

On a side note, the slim system was priced too expensive. The 360 has been floating around for five years, it's time to lower the price-tag.

[QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

5 years later ps3 is still last maybe for another couple more years even.. even if ps3 overtakes it in 2012 it basically got last place this gen because by then the 720 will be looming.

rgsniper1

This, and I'd take the two MS games over the two Sony games you listed... personal preferance I guess. :)

Dude, PS3s hasnt even been out for 4 years yet. it came out Nov. 2007.

[QUOTE="racing1750"][QUOTE="young_doe"] Whats wrong with multiplats?fireballonfire

What kind of twisted agrument is that?? As a gamer you should only care if the games releasedfor your system are good or not. Going by your logic multiplats don't bring any plus value to a system at all. Good luck telling that to all Lemmings enjoying the hell out of Bayonetta, ME2 etc.

There are many that consider (me included) that Bayonetta on the 360 is a better game than MGS4 and UC2, so there goes your reasoning down the toilet I guess.

On a side note, the slim system was priced too expensive. The 360 has been floating around for five years, it's time to lower the price-tag.

[QUOTE="rgsniper1"]

[QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

5 years later ps3 is still last maybe for another couple more years even.. even if ps3 overtakes it in 2012 it basically got last place this gen because by then the 720 will be looming.

XboximusPrime

This, and I'd take the two MS games over the two Sony games you listed... personal preferance I guess. :)

Dude, PS3s hasnt even been out for 4 years yet. it came out Nov. 2007.

came out november 2006.

[QUOTE="XboximusPrime"]

[QUOTE="rgsniper1"]

This, and I'd take the two MS games over the two Sony games you listed... personal preferance I guess. :)

lazerface216

Dude, PS3s hasnt even been out for 4 years yet. it came out Nov. 2007.

came out november 2006.

""2. Not being friendly to MMO developers. Really big mistake. There is potentionally a huge audience of gamers who would love to get addicted to an MMO on a console, but Microsoft isn't letting it happen. Very foolish.""

name a console mmo that was successful compared to a pc mmo's...or hell just one since there is only one really successful one right now, and thats WoW.

As well mirosoft isn't letting it happen? um no...developers just are developing it, all we have is hearsay what we know is that Microsoft requires a 2 week QA of all content to make sure to works...you'd think this would be something developers would want...they all so require that someone pays for the content...if it be developer, or user.

otherwise all you need is a silver membership to play mmo's...and no amount of hearsay you can bring up will change that all you need is a silver membership.

as well whats funny is the fact that on Psn these developers have to end up paying anyways they pay the gigabyte fee, they pay for the hosting they pay for everything. so the only thing we have left is they dont like the 2 week QA...which is just silly...why would a developer not want an extra buffer of a measely 2 weeks to make damn sure that content or patch works.

[QUOTE="fireballonfire"]

[QUOTE="racing1750"] Nothing at all, but here in system wars we go by exclusives.racing1750

What kind of twisted agrument is that?? As a gamer you should only care if the games releasedfor your system are good or not. Going by your logic multiplats don't bring any plus value to a system at all. Good luck telling that to all Lemmings enjoying the hell out of Bayonetta, ME2 etc.

There are many that consider (me included) that Bayonetta on the 360 is a better game than MGS4 and UC2, so there goes your reasoning down the toilet I guess.

On a side note, the slim system was priced too expensive. The 360 has been floating around for five years, it's time to lower the price-tag.

well in the real world that logic fails. someone who only owns a ps3 (which is a bunch of people on here) CANNOT play L4D, ME, halo or GeoW. people seem to forget that gamespot does not in any way, shape or form represent the real world.

[QUOTE="racing1750"][QUOTE="fireballonfire"]

What kind of twisted agrument is that?? As a gamer you should only care if the games releasedfor your system are good or not. Going by your logic multiplats don't bring any plus value to a system at all. Good luck telling that to all Lemmings enjoying the hell out of Bayonetta, ME2 etc.

There are many that consider (me included) that Bayonetta on the 360 is a better game than MGS4 and UC2, so there goes your reasoning down the toilet I guess.

On a side note, the slim system was priced too expensive. The 360 has been floating around for five years, it's time to lower the price-tag.

well in the real world that logic fails. someone who only owns a ps3 (which is a bunch of people on here) CANNOT play L4D, ME, halo or GeoW. people seem to forget that gamespot does not in any way, shape or form represent the real world.

[QUOTE="lazerface216"]

[QUOTE="XboximusPrime"]

Dude, PS3s hasnt even been out for 4 years yet. it came out Nov. 2007.

mysterj

came out november 2006.

that doesn't change the fact that it first came out in 2006.

[QUOTE="young_doe"][QUOTE="racing1750"] Hmm4 multiplat, and 2 exclusive :? Forza 3 in 2009. Alan wake in 2010.

racing1750

which is stupid to ignore games like ME2(GOTY possibly)

cuz 360 is doing just fine i bet most people dont even have the money to keep up with all the games

[QUOTE="lazerface216"]

[QUOTE="racing1750"] hmm, yeh, this is system wars, and thats the rules ;)racing1750

well in the real world that logic fails. someone who only owns a ps3 (which is a bunch of people on here) CANNOT play L4D, ME, halo or GeoW. people seem to forget that gamespot does not in any way, shape or form represent the real world.

It's this kind of reasoning that make cows look bad.

[QUOTE="racing1750"][QUOTE="young_doe"] Whats wrong with multiplats?johnnyblazed88

which is stupid to ignore games like ME2(GOTY possibly)

cuz 360 is doing just fine i bet most people dont even have the money to keep up with all the games

[QUOTE="lazerface216"]

[QUOTE="racing1750"] hmm, yeh, this is system wars, and thats the rules ;)racing1750

well in the real world that logic fails. someone who only owns a ps3 (which is a bunch of people on here) CANNOT play L4D, ME, halo or GeoW. people seem to forget that gamespot does not in any way, shape or form represent the real world.

then people need to quit acting like what goes on in this forum really means anything then. the 360 is dying/dead?!? no good games since 2009?!? sure on this site, where logic has been twisted by fanboys and stans, but in the real world it's games (and EXCLUSIVES that can't be played on the ps3) and hardware are selling like hotcakes.

Ummm.... AW doesnt have the same lvl of polish as UC2 or MGSIV???? really? have you even played that game?

While I don't disagree that the 360 will be last in sales come the end of this gen.... I do disagree heavily with some of your reasons why.

...and Microsoft will have no one to blame but themselves.

Xbox 360 is the only console I currently own, but it doesn't take much to see that MS is shooting themselves in the foot. These are the reasons:

1. High caliber exclusives missing the mark. Games like Alan Wake and Fable II are undoubtedly great games, but they just don't messure up to Uncharted 2 and MGS4. It's not a matter of graphics (AW and Fable II are both great looking games); it's that they can't compete when it comes to quality and polish.

2. Not being friendly to MMO developers. Really big mistake. There is potentionally a huge audience of gamers who would love to get addicted to an MMO on a console, but Microsoft isn't letting it happen. Very foolish.

3. Missing sweet spots in pricing. The redesigned 360 should have released at $250 -- the thing would have been sold out through Christmas time. Also, the Kinect releasing at $150? Are you effing crazy? That means you're asking casuals to pay $200 for a 360 (assuming a lower end model releases), and then $150 for the Kintect. $350 for a gaming system this late in the generation doesn't cut it. Kinect should be releasing for $100 tops. Mark my words; the Kinect is going to bomb at the $150 price point.

So what does MS need to do? Take a page out of Sony's book. I love my 360, and it started strong, but it's obviously losing steam and MS needs to fix these issues.

Sooshy

1. The 360 also gets plenty of 360/PC titles to make up for the difference in exclusives, many of which are as good as(or better, depending on preference) PS3 exclusives, such as ME2.

2. I don't think MMOs, at least traditional MMOs, will ever be near as profitable as their PC counter parts. Until a console exclusive MMO is made & done right, I don't see the point of MMOs on consoles when they have been developed for PC.

3. I don't know how prices are in the rest of the world, but a 360Elite costs about the same as a Wii now here in Australia, with the 120GB Elite being around $325, the Wii being $300. The 120GB PS3 is $500, but you can get a $250GB + GoW III for $600 (GoW III being $110), so you would be pretty crazy not to get the 250GB version. The 360 Slim is something like $430. As for Kinect, couldn't care less, I hope it fails.

I'm not too sure if Microsoft even cares.

they want to sell units, at a profit, I'm pretty sure they're happy with their position....I suppose anything is better than like the Original Xbox, losing money just from producing it.

In sales, by the end of production, I'm fairly sure.

Not going to matter much, all consoles will win.