Xbox 720 - Durango to have two 8970 ATI GPUs and more ram than PS4 (rumor)

http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=670140

June E3 2012

Quote:What I have put here is 99% the real cpu/eapu specs.. This is Microsoft goal. It is also what is available in the dev kits that are at E3.. If Microsoft show the Durango/720/8/loop this is what is behind these specs.. The final 2 gpu design final spec is not 100% known out of Microsoft rnd there target is HD8970 tech. The cpu pic is the real durango cpu/eapu but now that specs are leaking out over the next 4 days. It shows you the future.Quote:Durango cpu specs
SOI -28nm 22nm by 2014
3.8ghz - 4.2ghz Turbo-core mode
4 SMT every core
1024 KiB L2 per core
8 VMX128 cores
120MiB EDRAM
There is 2 cores in every core. they are not stacked cores.
Durango cpu is an ultra enhanced apu,
DX11.1- 12.1 Upgradeable core logic
"BASIC" Durango cpu can support 12- 32/64 bit 1080p Render Targets "back buffer" 10/64 bits color and aa on all back buffers. 2k resolution and beyond. Cpu/apu and gpu/s can access the EDRAM on the fly. A massive amount of system Ram is also available "more then orbis" (note: suddenly PS4 could have less ram then Durango)

Summary : 8 Core (2 core per Core ?) = total 16 Core x 4 Thread
picture of Sample chip

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So basically it fit with Durango is a Beast, a Monster etc
many more info on this insider link
funny thing basically durango is both powerpc and x86 , with
modified dual 8970 tech GPU with exotic feature and firmware upgradeable

.

Now i know what system i will get next gen :)

So itll be powerful?
Cool.
Confirmation of no hardware failures (lol) and some good games and Ill be onboard.

Even you should know better than to try and post this crap as anything other than the feverish dreams of a fanboy's mind.

If this is true, I can see Microsoft's next console being a commerical failure.

But these specs are probably fake.

Even you should know better than to try and post this crap as anything other than the feverish dreams of a fanboy's mind.

Aidenfury19

Seems accurate and what is expected, the 8970 is the GPU that will be around the 720 release time frame

$599.99 system here we come.

Rumour has it.

$599.99 system here we come.

razgriz_101

So what ?

They have the new pay 99$ and a plan system, so anyone can get it at launch really

loosingENDS thread

GamingGod999

fixed ;)

Oh look, another rumor. At this point the 720 is sporting a 6670, dual 6670's, a 7990, and a GTX 680 from all these rumors that keep popping up.

How have you not been banned yet?

[QUOTE="Aidenfury19"]

Even you should know better than to try and post this crap as anything other than the feverish dreams of a fanboy's mind.

loosingENDS

Seems accurate and what is expected, the 8970 is the GPU that will be around the 720 release time frame

The HDx970s GPUs are the high-end parts which means they're expensive, power-hungry, and huge. That alone tells me the whole thing is fake, the ridiculous claims of dual CPUs (because AMD is NOT coming out with a 16 core CPU for anything other than servers) and the poster's clear lack of a clue about what is being described just drives the nails in further.

Now I understand you enjoy being a fanboy, but can you at least do some quality control on the BS rumors you post? It helps if they're at least a little bit believable.

http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=670140

June E3 2012

Quote:What I have put here is 99% the real cpu/eapu specs.. This is Microsoft goal. It is also what is available in the dev kits that are at E3.. If Microsoft show the Durango/720/8/loop this is what is behind these specs.. The final 2 gpu design final spec is not 100% known out of Microsoft rnd there target is HD8970 tech. The cpu pic is the real durango cpu/eapu but now that specs are leaking out over the next 4 days. It shows you the future.Quote:Durango cpu specs
SOI -28nm 22nm by 2014
3.8ghz - 4.2ghz Turbo-core mode
4 SMT every core
1024 KiB L2 per core
8 VMX128 cores
120MiB EDRAM
There is 2 cores in every core. they are not stacked cores.
Durango cpu is an ultra enhanced apu,
DX11.1- 12.1 Upgradeable core logic
"BASIC" Durango cpu can support 12- 32/64 bit 1080p Render Targets "back buffer" 10/64 bits color and aa on all back buffers. 2k resolution and beyond. Cpu/apu and gpu/s can access the EDRAM on the fly. A massive amount of system Ram is also available "more then orbis" (note: suddenly PS4 could have less ram then Durango)

Summary : 8 Core (2 core per Core ?) = total 16 Core x 4 Thread
picture of Sample chip

View Image" for full version" title=""Right Click > View Image" for full version" />

So basically it fit with Durango is a Beast, a Monster etc
many more info on this insider link
funny thing basically durango is both powerpc and x86 , with
modified dual 8970 tech GPU with exotic feature and firmware upgradeable

.

Now i know what system i will get next gen :)

loosingENDS

What is the point in all that processing power and two GPUs/ram for 1080p gaming? Also that sounds expensive but by 2014 maybe $600.

Durango exotic GPU design
and some interesting point on GPU side

Ibm and amd designed the cpu it uses the same fab as the next amd apu. 8 cores power pc.. but its modded with full x86 64bit instrution sets. and on the fab is a 8000hd modded gcn core. there going to be two of these in the next xbox. and 1 gig of edram. But this design is not crossfire based. its a new improved design. both gpus can render any object direct to buss and cpu. there is no latancy.
Here is an example...
if the gpu 1 is rendering a box gpu 2 can do textures while the shaders can also do genreal purpose processing.
The gpu's are not just single core gpus.. there are 2 gpu cores per apu. which equals 4 cores for gpu but this second cores are all most like the xenos duaghter die. it contains extra core logic.
The ram is 2gig per apu 4gig total this is more then enough... Dice/epic wanted a faster Cpu/gpu they got it.. they wanted more then 2 gig of ram so it was doubled. they also wanted 16gig if ram. but it could happen but only as an upgrade later.It will last 8 years graphicly.

.

4GB ram is very nice, it is definatly a good ammount for console

4GB ram is very nice, it is definatly a good ammount for console

loosingENDS

Explain

Wouldn't 120MB eDRAM be gigantic? Or am I mistaken?

Also, even if this was somehow true that means you're looking at the next Xbox being $299 subsidized on contract for 2-3 years then because this would be very expensive.

This is a bad thread and you should feel bad.22Toothpicks

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

$599.99 system here we come.

loosingENDS

So what ?

They have the new pay 99$ and a plan system, so anyone can get it at launch really

yeah i'll pass unless they throw in Netflix,Spotify and a few other services in my monthly subscription price.

Wouldn't 120MB eDRAM be gigantic? Or am I mistaken?

Also, even if this was somehow true that means you're looking at the next Xbox being $299 subsidized on contract for 2-3 years then because this would be very expensive.

bonesawisready5

If they want to last 8 years, they may as well have room for the upcoming 4K standard that is way above 1080p

120MB would be just right for that

It is 16MB for 720p full buffer, and 4K is 4 times 1080p, so it is 16x2x4 = 128MB for 4K

The HDx970s GPUs are the high-end parts which means they're expensive, power-hungry, and huge. That alone tells me the whole thing is fake, the ridiculous claims of dual CPUs (because AMD is NOT coming out with a 16 core CPU for anything other than servers) and the poster's clear lack of a clue about what is being described just drives the nails in further.

Now I understand you enjoy being a fanboy, but can you at least do some quality control on the BS rumors you post? It helps if they're at least a little bit believable.

Aidenfury19

The chips themselves are tiny

Have you never seen a computer chip before ?

No console will ever have 2 discrete GPUs.

This is a bad thread and you should feel bad.22Toothpicks

I think you're looking for this

aw that's cute... but its FALSE!!!!!, lol normal 7970 has a TDP of 250w and a 8970 will be the same or more and two of them please, MS had trouble cooling a Xenos in the 360 that and that's a 90w TDP GPU. RRoD coming back with a bang and $1000 console it would be. 04dcarraher

Unless theres a fan the size of a telly cooling it xD.

No console will ever have 2 discrete GPUs.

Cherokee_Jack

They are not discreet

It has two APUs, each has one CPU and one GPU

Whatever losingedge say, it must be true.

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]

Wouldn't 120MB eDRAM be gigantic? Or am I mistaken?

Also, even if this was somehow true that means you're looking at the next Xbox being $299 subsidized on contract for 2-3 years then because this would be very expensive.

loosingENDS

If they want to last 8 years, they may as well have room for the upcoming 4K standard that is way above 1080p

120MB would be just right for that

It is 16MB for 720p full buffer, and 4K is 4 times 1080p, so it is 16x2x4 = 128MB for 4K

The HDx970s GPUs are the high-end parts which means they're expensive, power-hungry, and huge. That alone tells me the whole thing is fake, the ridiculous claims of dual CPUs (because AMD is NOT coming out with a 16 core CPU for anything other than servers) and the poster's clear lack of a clue about what is being described just drives the nails in further.

Now I understand you enjoy being a fanboy, but can you at least do some quality control on the BS rumors you post? It helps if they're at least a little bit believable.

Aidenfury19

The chips themselves are tiny

Have you never seen a computer chip before ?

Developing a 4k console game is way too expensive for anyone. 1080p is the standard for next-gen. Since all 3 consoles will pretty much be on par with each other, you are better off getting a Wii U.

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]

Wouldn't 120MB eDRAM be gigantic? Or am I mistaken?

Also, even if this was somehow true that means you're looking at the next Xbox being $299 subsidized on contract for 2-3 years then because this would be very expensive.

loosingENDS

If they want to last 8 years, they may as well have room for the upcoming 4K standard that is way above 1080p

120MB would be just right for that

It is 16MB for 720p full buffer, and 4K is 4 times 1080p, so it is 16x2x4 = 128MB for 4K

They have not been able to do 720p consistently for 7 years let alone 1080p. Unnecessary costs to incur.

Durango exotic GPU design
and some interesting point on GPU side

Quote:

Ibm and amd designed the cpu it uses the same fab as the next amd apu. 8 cores power pc.. but its modded with full x86 64bit instrution sets. and on the fab is a 8000hd modded gcn core. there going to be two of these in the next xbox. and 1 gig of edram. But this design is not crossfire based. its a new improved design. both gpus can render any object direct to buss and cpu. there is no latancy.
Here is an example...
if the gpu 1 is rendering a box gpu 2 can do textures while the shaders can also do genreal purpose processing.
The gpu's are not just single core gpus.. there are 2 gpu cores per apu. which equals 4 cores for gpu but this second cores are all most like the xenos duaghter die. it contains extra core logic.
The ram is 2gig per apu 4gig total this is more then enough... Dice/epic wanted a faster Cpu/gpu they got it.. they wanted more then 2 gig of ram so it was doubled. they also wanted 16gig if ram. but it could happen but only as an upgrade later.It will last 8 years graphicly.

.

4GB ram is very nice, it is definatly a good ammount for console

loosingENDS

You of course realize that you're quoting livejournal and that 1GB of EDRAM alone would cost a fortune? Basically if Microsoft tried doing something like is being described here the console would cost $5,000 and be the size of a minifridge.

Again,maybe you don't either but the person making this up clearly has no clue about how CPUs and GPUs actually work and they are similarly ignorant of business considerations. Stop it, you're only embarrassing yourself.

The chips themselves are tiny

Have you never seen a computer chip before ?

loosingENDS

Try putting a stock CPU heatsink over your HD7970 and see how long it takes before it melts. Now try doing that with two of them. NOTE: I am not responsible for any fires or respiratory distress resulting from attempting this experiment.

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

No console will ever have 2 discrete GPUs.

loosingENDS

They are not discreet

It has two APUs, each has one CPU and one GPU

Yes I'm sure Microsoft's next console is going to be a heavy $1200 console at launch. That will totally bring in the money, especially since people on the internet say so.

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

$599.99 system here we come.

razgriz_101

So what ?

They have the new pay 99$ and a plan system, so anyone can get it at launch really

yeah i'll pass unless they throw in Netflix,Spotify and a few other services in my monthly subscription price.

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

No console will ever have 2 discrete GPUs.

loosingENDS

They are not discreet

It has two APUs, each has one CPU and one GPU

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

Durango exotic GPU design
and some interesting point on GPU side

Quote:

Ibm and amd designed the cpu it uses the same fab as the next amd apu. 8 cores power pc.. but its modded with full x86 64bit instrution sets. and on the fab is a 8000hd modded gcn core. there going to be two of these in the next xbox. and 1 gig of edram. But this design is not crossfire based. its a new improved design. both gpus can render any object direct to buss and cpu. there is no latancy.
Here is an example...
if the gpu 1 is rendering a box gpu 2 can do textures while the shaders can also do genreal purpose processing.
The gpu's are not just single core gpus.. there are 2 gpu cores per apu. which equals 4 cores for gpu but this second cores are all most like the xenos duaghter die. it contains extra core logic.
The ram is 2gig per apu 4gig total this is more then enough... Dice/epic wanted a faster Cpu/gpu they got it.. they wanted more then 2 gig of ram so it was doubled. they also wanted 16gig if ram. but it could happen but only as an upgrade later.It will last 8 years graphicly.

.

4GB ram is very nice, it is definatly a good ammount for console

Aidenfury19

You of course realize that you're quoting livejournal and that 1GB of EDRAM alone would cost a fortune? Basically if Microsoft tried doing something like is being described here the console would cost $5,000 and be the size of a minifridge.

Again,maybe you don't either but the person making this up clearly has no clue about how CPUs and GPUs actually work and they are similarly ignorant of business considerations. Stop it, you're only embarrassing yourself.

The chips themselves are tiny

Have you never seen a computer chip before ?

loosingENDS

Try putting a stock CPU heatsink over your HD7970 and see how long it takes before it melts. Now try doing that with two of them. NOTE: I am not responsible for any fires or respiratory distress resulting from attempting this experiment.

4GB ram, not EDRAM

120MB EDRAM

wont even have half of the power

Seems legit

Try putting a stock CPU heatsink over your HD7970 and see how long it takes before it melts. Now try doing that with two of them. NOTE: I am not responsible for any fires or respiratory distress resulting from attempting this experiment.

Aidenfury19

Wait, you mean there is no way you can cool a 7970 ?

LOL

Seems both PS4 and WiiU will be the Wii of next gen

I don't know what any of that means but it sounds really expensive.

I don't know what any of that means but it sounds really expensive.

Kingpin0114

Which explains why MS introduced a 99$ xbox 360 early

720 will cost a 199$ up front and then an ammount per month

It was clear that the next xbox would be rather expensive when they made this move to test the waters

[QUOTE="Kingpin0114"]

I don't know what any of that means but it sounds really expensive.

loosingENDS

Which explains why MS introduced a 99$ xbox 360 early

720 will cost a 199$ up front and then an ammount per month

It was clear that the next xbox would be rather expensive when they made this move to test the waters

And what if this subscription based console route is a failure? Then what?

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="Kingpin0114"]

I don't know what any of that means but it sounds really expensive.

Kingpin0114

Which explains why MS introduced a 99$ xbox 360 early

720 will cost a 199$ up front and then an ammount per month

It was clear that the next xbox would be rather expensive when they made this move to test the waters

And what if this subscription based console route is a failure? Then what?

The console will come down in price eventually, as it always happens

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="Kingpin0114"]

I don't know what any of that means but it sounds really expensive.

Kingpin0114

Which explains why MS introduced a 99$ xbox 360 early

720 will cost a 199$ up front and then an ammount per month

It was clear that the next xbox would be rather expensive when they made this move to test the waters

And what if this subscription based console route is a failure? Then what?

[QUOTE="Kingpin0114"]

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

Which explains why MS introduced a 99$ xbox 360 early

720 will cost a 199$ up front and then an ammount per month

It was clear that the next xbox would be rather expensive when they made this move to test the waters

loosingENDS

And what if this subscription based console route is a failure? Then what?

The console will come down in price eventually, as it always happens

Launching a $500 or $600 console is a horrible idea.

Stop putting trolls on me ENDS!!!!!!

Rumour has it.

GamingGod999

Would you like a platinum plated controller with that?