...xbox 854,000 ps3 902,000 units

i just read a very interesting article in gameinformer magazine about how every gaming blog and forum seems to be insuing that the os3 is already dead. What i also found more interesting is how in this forum the lemmings are saying that the ps3 is being outsold across the globe and that its a failure. However in the Gameinformer article it says that in the first three months of the xbox 360's launch 854,000 consoles roughly were sold and in the same time frame the ps3 has sold 50,000 more consoles than that of the 360. Now the question is simple why do lemmings say that the ps3 is a failure when clearly it seems to be gaining ground faster than the 360 did at launch and its also doing that with a library of games that are not so stellar? Now im not a cow or lemming and in fact though i dont own a Wii console yet i would consider myself more of a sheep. I just want to know what the deal is with lemmings saying the ps3 is a failure when in the span of the first three months of their launches the ps3 has outsold the 360? IM just curious, i own both a 360 and a ps3 and will be getting a wii at some point so im not being biased or trying to defend the ps3 in anyway.

EDIT: The article also says that in that same time frame the ps3 has sold out more consoles than the ps and ps2 did.

Wall of text crits you for 426521 damage.

You die.

Seriously though, I think it's the price tag and the Wii's retail success that's sparking that debate.

There was 360 shortages. :|Vyse_The_Daring

they say its a failure because the xbox360 already failed...legalize3

3 months after launch you couldn't get an xbox 360 yet....ps3 you could go and pick one off the shelves.. maybe the issue is the shortage otherwise i truly think the 360 woud of easily sold that 50k morebloodyclot

[QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]There was 360 shortages. :|Chris-Hansen

I didn't say anything about the price, the 360 couldn't sell more than that in its first three months because there were shortages. 

they say its gonna be a failure because the xbox360 already failed...legalize3

[QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]There was 360 shortages. :|Chris-Hansen

haha your logic makes me laugh

if there are shortages, it means there are NO XBOX360's AVAILABLE 

get it? no supply 

ps3 has been the opposite 

they say its gonna be a failure because the xbox360 already failed...legalize3

Get over yourself. The way it's selling today and the holiday season it had this past christmas is proof of its success. Its still outselling the PS3 TODAY and when it launched there were shortages and the PS2 was still drawing gamers to the last-gen of gaming with quality game titles and a cheap price. PS3 has no reason not to be selling. The last-gen is over and the competition is full-blown in the direction of the current-gen. In that department PS3 is losing very bad.

3 months after launch you couldn't get an xbox 360 yet....ps3 you could go and pick one off the shelves.. maybe the issue is the shortage otherwise i truly think the 360 woud of easily sold that 50k morebloodyclot

okay but did the TC take into account that in the first 3 months of the PS3, they didn't even sell to Europe yet? I think that off-sets the argument the XBOX360 has with the shortages.

The first 3 months of the systems' launch are not comparable. The PS3, aside from the first month or so, was never supply constrained. I remember that when the 360 came out, I couldn't find one in a retail store for the first 4 months or so. I think that if the 360 had more units available, they probably would have sold considerably more units than they did in those first few months. The PS3, on the other hand, has had a lot of available unites since January. That's the difference as I see it.kevbo77

ya riiiight if sony released the ps3 worldwide it would aslo have shortages in the us 

now that i read a couple statements, it makes sense. I remember my friend not being able to get himself a 360 for a while. kamuix

Exactly. For about two to three months after launch, there were hardly any 360 units to be found. It wasn't until March, I believe, that the supply problem was fully rectified. 

[QUOTE="kevbo77"]The first 3 months of the systems' launch are not comparable. The PS3, aside from the first month or so, was never supply constrained. I remember that when the 360 came out, I couldn't find one in a retail store for the first 4 months or so. I think that if the 360 had more units available, they probably would have sold considerably more units than they did in those first few months. The PS3, on the other hand, has had a lot of available unites since January. That's the difference as I see it.legalize3

ya riiiight if sony released the ps3 worldwide it would aslo have shortages in the us 

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[QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"][QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]There was 360 shortages. :|cabjnico

haha your logic makes me laugh

if there are shortages, it means there are NO XBOX360's AVAILABLE 

get it? no supply 

ps3 has been the opposite 

[QUOTE="bloodyclot"]3 months after launch you couldn't get an xbox 360 yet....ps3 you could go and pick one off the shelves.. maybe the issue is the shortage otherwise i truly think the 360 woud of easily sold that 50k morepeacebringer

some couldn't even if they wanted to...shortages.

[QUOTE="kevbo77"]The first 3 months of the systems' launch are not comparable. The PS3, aside from the first month or so, was never supply constrained. I remember that when the 360 came out, I couldn't find one in a retail store for the first 4 months or so. I think that if the 360 had more units available, they probably would have sold considerably more units than they did in those first few months. The PS3, on the other hand, has had a lot of available unites since January. That's the difference as I see it.legalize3

ya riiiight if sony released the ps3 worldwide it would aslo have shortages in the us 

He has a point the ps3 only launched in the U.S and Japan. The 360 however attempted a worldwide launch. So there were consoles in other provinces

[QUOTE="cabjnico"]

[QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"][QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]There was 360 shortages. :|Chris-Hansen

haha your logic makes me laugh

if there are shortages, it means there are NO XBOX360's AVAILABLE

get it? no supply

ps3 has been the opposite

You're in no position to laugh at anyone. When there are no products in the stores, one cannot buy this product, the 360 would have sold more had there been more consoles available. 

There was 360 shortages. :|Vyse_The_Daring

What he said. The XBox 360 had shortages for the first 4-5 months of it's release. It couldn't be found anywhere. When the PS3 was released, there were shortages for about 4 weeks. Then after X-Mas PS3 were piling up on retail shelves. So even those the PS3 sold 50,000 more systems then the XBox 360, the only reason that happened was because M$ didn't have any XBox 360 available to be sold. Kind of makes sense if you think about it. It's quite obvious that the 360 would have easily sold more then those 50,000 units if they were available during that 3 month period. Nuff said.

they say its gonna be a failure because the xbox360 already failed...legalize3

Yeah, over 10 million sold in less then 1-1/2 years is a failure? :roll: The 360 is far, far from being a failure.

[QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]There was 360 shortages. :|blackace

What he said. The XBox 360 had shortages for the first 4-5 months of it's release. It couldn't be found anywhere. When the PS3 was released, there were shortages for about 4 weeks. Then after X-Mas PS3 were piling up on retail shelves. So even those the PS3 sold 50,000 more systems then the XBox 360, the only reason that happened was because M$ didn't have any XBox 360 available to be sold. Kind of makes sense if you think about it. It's quite obvious that the 360 would have easily sold more then those 50,000 units if they were available during that 3 month period. Nuff said.

the ps3 didnt had other countrys in the EU 

[QUOTE="legalize3"]they say its gonna be a failure because the xbox360 already failed...blackace

Yeah, over 10 million sold in less then 1-1/2 years is a failure? :roll: The 360 is far, far from being a failure.

thats not my point my point is you cant claim ps3 as a failure in its first months when its pacing out the xbox360 in the same time frame if you do the xbox360 also failed.... 

[QUOTE="legalize3"]they say its gonna be a failure because the xbox360 already failed...Verge_6

they've saying the PS3 is dead because the world has yet to see the power of the PS3.  as the media from today's Sony event begins to permeate the internet, Sony's credibility will begin to bounce back.

nobody can look at today's video clips and say "meh" to all of them.   

[QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"][QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]There was 360 shortages. :|Vyse_The_Daring

I didn't say anything about the price, the 360 couldn't sell more than that in its first three months because there were shortages. 

There was 360 shortages. :|Vyse_The_Daring

But there was no next-gen competition, Xbox had been dead for quite awhile, and let's just say the hardcore fanbase is a little more "dedicated". 

[QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]

[QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"][QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]There was 360 shortages. :|haze_blaze

I didn't say anything about the price, the 360 couldn't sell more than that in its first three months because there were shortages.

360's could not be consistently or easily obtained in many markets until March/April.  Maybe in YOUR town, but that was well known in early '06. 

[QUOTE="bloodyclot"]3 months after launch you couldn't get an xbox 360 yet....ps3 you could go and pick one off the shelves.. maybe the issue is the shortage otherwise i truly think the 360 woud of easily sold that 50k moremahjustin

okay but did the TC take into account that in the first 3 months of the PS3, they didn't even sell to Europe yet? I think that off-sets the argument the XBOX360 has with the shortages.

Well, that's true too, but there was XBox 360 shortages in Europe as well. The only place there wasn't shortages was in Japan. We will never truly know the who would have sold more in the first 3 months because both launches were completely different. M$ & Sony would both need to launch their systems on the same day, in the same markets with the same amount of units shipped for you to truly get an accurate sales number. There's no way to do that with the way the PS3 and XBox 360 launched. XBox 360 didn't have any competition and the PS3 did because of the Wii. :? Too many variables.

[QUOTE="legalize3"]

[QUOTE="kevbo77"]The first 3 months of the systems' launch are not comparable. The PS3, aside from the first month or so, was never supply constrained. I remember that when the 360 came out, I couldn't find one in a retail store for the first 4 months or so. I think that if the 360 had more units available, they probably would have sold considerably more units than they did in those first few months. The PS3, on the other hand, has had a lot of available unites since January. That's the difference as I see it.SkyCastleDan

ya riiiight if sony released the ps3 worldwide it would aslo have shortages in the us 

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[QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]There was 360 shortages. :|Lazy_Boy88

But there was no next-gen competition, Xbox had been dead for quite awhile, and let's just say the hardcore fanbase is a little more "dedicated".

How does that change the fact that people could not obtain an xbox360 even if they wanted to.

There was 360 shortages. :|Vyse_The_Daring

In March..April...May...of 2007? That's a problem. :? 

[QUOTE="blackace"]

[QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]There was 360 shortages. :|legalize3

What he said. The XBox 360 had shortages for the first 4-5 months of it's release. It couldn't be found anywhere. When the PS3 was released, there were shortages for about 4 weeks. Then after X-Mas PS3 were piling up on retail shelves. So even those the PS3 sold 50,000 more systems then the XBox 360, the only reason that happened was because M$ didn't have any XBox 360 available to be sold. Kind of makes sense if you think about it. It's quite obvious that the 360 would have easily sold more then those 50,000 units if they were available during that 3 month period. Nuff said.

the ps3 didnt had other countrys in the EU 

Tack on another 600,000 for the PS3 and then throw 2 million more XBox 360 in the U.S., Europe markets. Who do you think would have more sales? No one will ever know, so this argument is pretty mute.

[QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"][QUOTE="cabjnico"]

[QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"][QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]There was 360 shortages. :|Vyse_The_Daring

haha your logic makes me laugh

if there are shortages, it means there are NO XBOX360's AVAILABLE

get it? no supply

ps3 has been the opposite

You're in no position to laugh at anyone. When there are no products in the stores, one cannot buy this product, the 360 would have sold more had there been more consoles available. 

[QUOTE="mahjustin"]

[QUOTE="bloodyclot"]3 months after launch you couldn't get an xbox 360 yet....ps3 you could go and pick one off the shelves.. maybe the issue is the shortage otherwise i truly think the 360 woud of easily sold that 50k moreblackace

okay but did the TC take into account that in the first 3 months of the PS3, they didn't even sell to Europe yet? I think that off-sets the argument the XBOX360 has with the shortages.

Well, that's true too, but there was XBox 360 shortages in Europe as well. The only place there wasn't shortages was in Japan. We will never truly know the who would have sold more in the first 3 months because both launches were completely different. M$ & Sony would both need to launch their systems on the same day, in the same markets with the same amount of units shipped for you to truly get an accurate sales number. There's no way to do that with the way the PS3 and XBox 360 launched. XBox 360 didn't have any competition and the PS3 did because of the Wii. :? Too many variables.

so we can agree with the TC that the ps3 is not a failure like many in these forum claim it to be

[QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]There was 360 shortages. :|blackace

What he said. The XBox 360 had shortages for the first 4-5 months of it's release. It couldn't be found anywhere. When the PS3 was released, there were shortages for about 4 weeks. Then after X-Mas PS3 were piling up on retail shelves. So even those the PS3 sold 50,000 more systems then the XBox 360, the only reason that happened was because M$ didn't have any XBox 360 available to be sold. Kind of makes sense if you think about it. It's quite obvious that the 360 would have easily sold more then those 50,000 units if they were available during that 3 month period. Nuff said.

WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!

Who cares about the SHORTAGES!??! If you take a look at VGChartz.com

http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=Wii®1=All&cons2=PS3®2=All&cons3=X360®3=All&align=1

you will see that the XBOX360 line during week 16 (4 months into the launch) to week 36 (9 months into the launch) WHEN THE SHORTAGE PROBLEM WAS ADDRESSED ACCORDING TO YOU GUYS, THERE WAS NO SIGNIFICANT JUMP IN SALES. The line stayed steady, as if there was a continual shortage (which is not the case).

If shortages were the real problem XBOX360's weren't selling, it SHOULD SHOW that the number of consoles sold WOULD HAVE GREATLY INCREASED when the shortage problem was addressed, which it wasn't!!

That just shows that the XBOX360 either solved their shortage problems too late, or that the interest for the system was simply not there, or both.

[QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]There was 360 shortages. :|gtx-1

In March..April...May...of 2007? That's a problem. :?

If I'm not mistaken the first 3 months after the 360's launch (which we are currently talking about) were not in 2007.  

[QUOTE="legalize3"][QUOTE="blackace"]

[QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]There was 360 shortages. :|blackace

What he said. The XBox 360 had shortages for the first 4-5 months of it's release. It couldn't be found anywhere. When the PS3 was released, there were shortages for about 4 weeks. Then after X-Mas PS3 were piling up on retail shelves. So even those the PS3 sold 50,000 more systems then the XBox 360, the only reason that happened was because M$ didn't have any XBox 360 available to be sold. Kind of makes sense if you think about it. It's quite obvious that the 360 would have easily sold more then those 50,000 units if they were available during that 3 month period. Nuff said.

the ps3 didnt had other countrys in the EU

Tack on another 600,000 for the PS3 and then throw 2 million more XBox 360 in the U.S., Europe markets. Who do you think would have more sales? No one will ever know, so this argument is pretty mute.

just like the arguments the ps3 failed 

[QUOTE="SkyCastleDan"][QUOTE="legalize3"]

[QUOTE="kevbo77"]The first 3 months of the systems' launch are not comparable. The PS3, aside from the first month or so, was never supply constrained. I remember that when the 360 came out, I couldn't find one in a retail store for the first 4 months or so. I think that if the 360 had more units available, they probably would have sold considerably more units than they did in those first few months. The PS3, on the other hand, has had a lot of available unites since January. That's the difference as I see it.Chris-Hansen

ya riiiight if sony released the ps3 worldwide it would aslo have shortages in the us 

AaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Oh man, *gasps for air* LOL LOL HAHAHAHAHA! :lol:

There were no shortages in the U.S. at all, period. In Europe they sold about 600,000 and then the PS3 started piling up at retail stores throughout Europe. Again, no shortages after 3 weeks of launch. The only way the PS3 would have had shortages is if they launched with only 200,000 units in each market and that didn't happen.

[QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"][QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"][QUOTE="cabjnico"]

[QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"][QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]There was 360 shortages. :|Chris-Hansen

haha your logic makes me laugh

if there are shortages, it means there are NO XBOX360's AVAILABLE

get it? no supply

ps3 has been the opposite

You're in no position to laugh at anyone. When there are no products in the stores, one cannot buy this product, the 360 would have sold more had there been more consoles available.

and was bashed to death for the last 2 years 

[QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]There was 360 shortages. :|gtx-1

In March..April...May...of 2007? That's a problem. :? 

No, in March..April...May...of 2006.  ;)

[QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"][QUOTE="SkyCastleDan"][QUOTE="legalize3"]

[QUOTE="kevbo77"]The first 3 months of the systems' launch are not comparable. The PS3, aside from the first month or so, was never supply constrained. I remember that when the 360 came out, I couldn't find one in a retail store for the first 4 months or so. I think that if the 360 had more units available, they probably would have sold considerably more units than they did in those first few months. The PS3, on the other hand, has had a lot of available unites since January. That's the difference as I see it.blackace

ya riiiight if sony released the ps3 worldwide it would aslo have shortages in the us

AaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Oh man, *gasps for air* LOL LOL HAHAHAHAHA! :lol:

There were no shortages in the U.S. at all, period. In Europe they sold about 600,000 and then the PS3 started piling up at retail stores throughout Europe. Again, no shortages after 3 weeks of launch. The only way the PS3 would have had shortages is if they launched with only 200,000 units in each market and that didn't happen.

because sony didnt lauch the ps3 worldwide on day 1 if they did there would be 200.000 units in each market... 

[QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"][QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"][QUOTE="cabjnico"]

[QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"][QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]There was 360 shortages. :|Chris-Hansen

haha your logic makes me laugh

if there are shortages, it means there are NO XBOX360's AVAILABLE

get it? no supply

ps3 has been the opposite

You're in no position to laugh at anyone. When there are no products in the stores, one cannot buy this product, the 360 would have sold more had there been more consoles available.

I bolded where you decided to ignore the shortages and claim that you were amazed the PS3 sold more. You werent saying it sold well, you were saying it sold better while ignoring supply constraints.

[QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="mahjustin"]

[QUOTE="bloodyclot"]3 months after launch you couldn't get an xbox 360 yet....ps3 you could go and pick one off the shelves.. maybe the issue is the shortage otherwise i truly think the 360 woud of easily sold that 50k morelegalize3

okay but did the TC take into account that in the first 3 months of the PS3, they didn't even sell to Europe yet? I think that off-sets the argument the XBOX360 has with the shortages.

Well, that's true too, but there was XBox 360 shortages in Europe as well. The only place there wasn't shortages was in Japan. We will never truly know the who would have sold more in the first 3 months because both launches were completely different. M$ & Sony would both need to launch their systems on the same day, in the same markets with the same amount of units shipped for you to truly get an accurate sales number. There's no way to do that with the way the PS3 and XBox 360 launched. XBox 360 didn't have any competition and the PS3 did because of the Wii. :? Too many variables.

so we can agree with the TC that the ps3 is not a failure like many in these forum claim it to be

Well, it's not a failure yet. Not sure why people keep saying this. You got to give the system at least 12-18 months. It's selling better then the 3DO and Virtual Boy. If it keeps getting outsold by the GBA 6-7 months from now, things may change. ;) When your system is being outsold by your last-gen system, that's a problem. Sony keeps seeing this as a positive, but it really isn't. Sure you are happy that the PS2 is still selling well, but you really want developers to start focusing on the PS3 and not last-gens PS2.

[QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"][QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]There was 360 shortages. :|Vyse_The_Daring

I didn't say anything about the price, the 360 couldn't sell more than that in its first three months because there were shortages. 

[QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"][QUOTE="SkyCastleDan"][QUOTE="legalize3"]

[QUOTE="kevbo77"]The first 3 months of the systems' launch are not comparable. The PS3, aside from the first month or so, was never supply constrained. I remember that when the 360 came out, I couldn't find one in a retail store for the first 4 months or so. I think that if the 360 had more units available, they probably would have sold considerably more units than they did in those first few months. The PS3, on the other hand, has had a lot of available unites since January. That's the difference as I see it.legalize3

ya riiiight if sony released the ps3 worldwide it would aslo have shortages in the us

AaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Oh man, *gasps for air* LOL LOL HAHAHAHAHA! :lol:

There were no shortages in the U.S. at all, period. In Europe they sold about 600,000 and then the PS3 started piling up at retail stores throughout Europe. Again, no shortages after 3 weeks of launch. The only way the PS3 would have had shortages is if they launched with only 200,000 units in each market and that didn't happen.

because sony didnt lauch the ps3 worldwide on day 1 if they did there would be 200.000 units in each market... 

No. They launched with like 600,000 in the U.S. and 400,000 in Japan. Then a couple weeks later they shipped another 200,000 before X-Mas.  So if they launched 200,000 Japan, 400,000 U.S. & 400,000 Europe, they probably would have had shortages for 6-7 weeks instead of 3-4 weeks. Still, I think their shortages would have been over by the end of Jan beginning of Feb.