Xbox AAAAAAAA studio The Initiative is collapsing. Perfect Dark in huuuuge trouble

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#51 hardwenzen
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@x_hedon said:
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@HalcyonScarlet said:
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When this game fails, they need to sell the IP to Sony.

Because Sony has a stellar history when it comes to fps games. :-S

If they want to make one, they will make one, and it won't be a mess like Crackdown3.

Resistance 3 and Killzone Shadowfall were dumpster fires FPS made by Sony.

They weren't good, no. That was how long ago? Yeaaaaaaaaa. Sony has Bungie🤡So again. If they wanted to make one, they will.

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#52  Edited By HalcyonScarlet
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@hardwenzen said:
@HalcyonScarlet said:
@hardwenzen said:

When this game fails, they need to sell the IP to Sony.

Because Sony has a stellar history when it comes to fps games. :-S

If they want to make one, they will make one, and it won't be a mess like Crackdown3.

Crack down isn't an FPS. :-S

The last thing anyone wants is PD to be mostly a movie game where you just QTE your way to victory.

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Bungie == multiplatform developer. Yikes!

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#54  Edited By deactivated-67913f01c3174
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@hardwenzen said:
@x_hedon said:
@hardwenzen said:
@HalcyonScarlet said:
@hardwenzen said:

When this game fails, they need to sell the IP to Sony.

Because Sony has a stellar history when it comes to fps games. :-S

If they want to make one, they will make one, and it won't be a mess like Crackdown3.

Resistance 3 and Killzone Shadowfall were dumpster fires FPS made by Sony.

They weren't good, no. That was how long ago? Yeaaaaaaaaa. Sony has Bungie🤡So again. If they wanted to make one, they will.

Do you think Bungie will take advantage of the 12.155 TF of the Series X on the game Bungie makes? Or will Sony force Bungie to hold back the XSX version to make the PS5 verison look better.

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#55  Edited By hardwenzen
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@HalcyonScarlet said:
@hardwenzen said:
@HalcyonScarlet said:
@hardwenzen said:

When this game fails, they need to sell the IP to Sony.

Because Sony has a stellar history when it comes to fps games. :-S

If they want to make one, they will make one, and it won't be a mess like Crackdown3.

Crack down isn't an FPS. :-S

The last thing anyone wants is PD to be mostly a movie game where you just QTE your way to victory.

Its an MS game. LOTS of ms titles fall apart during their development. Just look at Infinite as the latest example.

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#56  Edited By hardwenzen
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@x_hedon said:
@hardwenzen said:
@x_hedon said:
@hardwenzen said:

If they want to make one, they will make one, and it won't be a mess like Crackdown3.

Resistance 3 and Killzone Shadowfall were dumpster fires FPS made by Sony.

They weren't good, no. That was how long ago? Yeaaaaaaaaa. Sony has Bungie🤡So again. If they wanted to make one, they will.

Do you think Bungie will take advantage of the 12.155 TF of the Series X on the game Bungie makes? Or will Sony force Bungie to hold back the XSX version to make the PS5 verison look better.

Considering that the Higher Quality 9.2tflops inside the PS5 are Made In Japan, i don't think they will care about the lower grade higher numbers inside the X. I mean, just look at Ratchet, Demon's, HFW and GT7. Claps anything and everything on the X like there's no competition.

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#57 HalcyonScarlet
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@hardwenzen said:
@HalcyonScarlet said:
@hardwenzen said:

If they want to make one, they will make one, and it won't be a mess like Crackdown3.

Crack down isn't an FPS. :-S

The last thing anyone wants is PD to be mostly a movie game where you just QTE your way to victory.

Its an MS game. LOTS of ms titles fall apart during their development. Just look at Infinite as the latest example.

Ya know, I looked but all I saw was a 9.

You alright there? :-S

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#58  Edited By hardwenzen
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@HalcyonScarlet said:
@hardwenzen said:
@HalcyonScarlet said:
@hardwenzen said:

If they want to make one, they will make one, and it won't be a mess like Crackdown3.

Crack down isn't an FPS. :-S

The last thing anyone wants is PD to be mostly a movie game where you just QTE your way to victory.

Its an MS game. LOTS of ms titles fall apart during their development. Just look at Infinite as the latest example.

Ya know, I looked but all I saw was a 9.

You alright there? :-S

Its so good that nobody plays it about one month after launch. What will happen in half a year? Bots and 343i employees will be what's left on the servers. The game so little content, and what's there is heavily flawed. That's what you get from a f2p game.

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#59 HalcyonScarlet
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@hardwenzen said:
@x_hedon said:
@hardwenzen said:
@HalcyonScarlet said:
@hardwenzen said:

When this game fails, they need to sell the IP to Sony.

Because Sony has a stellar history when it comes to fps games. :-S

If they want to make one, they will make one, and it won't be a mess like Crackdown3.

Resistance 3 and Killzone Shadowfall were dumpster fires FPS made by Sony.

They weren't good, no. That was how long ago? Yeaaaaaaaaa. Sony has Bungie🤡So again. If they wanted to make one, they will.

I'd rather Bluepoint make PD rather than Bungie. I'd rather Bent Studios make PD over Bungie. London studios even, they can make it for eyetoy.

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#60 hardwenzen
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@HalcyonScarlet said:
@hardwenzen said:
@x_hedon said:
@hardwenzen said:
@HalcyonScarlet said:

Because Sony has a stellar history when it comes to fps games. :-S

If they want to make one, they will make one, and it won't be a mess like Crackdown3.

Resistance 3 and Killzone Shadowfall were dumpster fires FPS made by Sony.

They weren't good, no. That was how long ago? Yeaaaaaaaaa. Sony has Bungie🤡So again. If they wanted to make one, they will.

I'd rather Bluepoint make PD rather than Bungie. I'd rather Bent Studios make PD over Bungie. London studios even, they can make it for eyetoy.

No. Bungie would make a proper game, and not yet another PDZ.

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#61 HalcyonScarlet
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@hardwenzen said:
@HalcyonScarlet said:
@hardwenzen said:
@x_hedon said:
@hardwenzen said:

If they want to make one, they will make one, and it won't be a mess like Crackdown3.

Resistance 3 and Killzone Shadowfall were dumpster fires FPS made by Sony.

They weren't good, no. That was how long ago? Yeaaaaaaaaa. Sony has Bungie🤡So again. If they wanted to make one, they will.

I'd rather Bluepoint make PD rather than Bungie. I'd rather Bent Studios make PD over Bungie. London studios even, they can make it for eyetoy.

No. Bungie would make a proper game, and not yet another PDZ.

You said, give PD to Sony. :-S

Bungie will be forced to making movie games.

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#62 HalcyonScarlet
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@hardwenzen said:
@HalcyonScarlet said:
@hardwenzen said:
@HalcyonScarlet said:
@hardwenzen said:

If they want to make one, they will make one, and it won't be a mess like Crackdown3.

Crack down isn't an FPS. :-S

The last thing anyone wants is PD to be mostly a movie game where you just QTE your way to victory.

Its an MS game. LOTS of ms titles fall apart during their development. Just look at Infinite as the latest example.

Ya know, I looked but all I saw was a 9.

You alright there? :-S

Its so good that nobody plays it about one month after launch. What will happen in half a year? Bots and 343i employees will be what's left on the servers. The game so little content, and what's there is heavily flawed. That's what you get from a f2p game.

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#63 hardwenzen
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@HalcyonScarlet said:
@hardwenzen said:
@HalcyonScarlet said:
@hardwenzen said:
@x_hedon said:

Resistance 3 and Killzone Shadowfall were dumpster fires FPS made by Sony.

They weren't good, no. That was how long ago? Yeaaaaaaaaa. Sony has Bungie🤡So again. If they wanted to make one, they will.

I'd rather Bluepoint make PD rather than Bungie. I'd rather Bent Studios make PD over Bungie. London studios even, they can make it for eyetoy.

No. Bungie would make a proper game, and not yet another PDZ.

You said, give PD to Sony. :-S

Bungie will be forced to making movie games.

Bungie doesn't make movies. And just look at Infinite. It looks like a welfare movie. Bunch of cutscenes, all poorly done, bad open world design, cringe characters, poor story, etc. At Microsoft, they can't even make a movie.

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#64 HalcyonScarlet
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@hardwenzen said:
@HalcyonScarlet said:
@hardwenzen said:
@HalcyonScarlet said:
@hardwenzen said:

They weren't good, no. That was how long ago? Yeaaaaaaaaa. Sony has Bungie🤡So again. If they wanted to make one, they will.

I'd rather Bluepoint make PD rather than Bungie. I'd rather Bent Studios make PD over Bungie. London studios even, they can make it for eyetoy.

No. Bungie would make a proper game, and not yet another PDZ.

You said, give PD to Sony. :-S

Bungie will be forced to making movie games.

Bungie doesn't make movies. And just look at Infinite. It looks like a welfare movie. Bunch of cutscenes, all poorly done, bad open world design, cringe characters, poor story, etc. At Microsoft, they can't even make a movie.

GOOD. Movie games are an abomination to gaming.

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#65 hardwenzen
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@HalcyonScarlet said:
@hardwenzen said:
@HalcyonScarlet said:
@hardwenzen said:
@HalcyonScarlet said:

I'd rather Bluepoint make PD rather than Bungie. I'd rather Bent Studios make PD over Bungie. London studios even, they can make it for eyetoy.

No. Bungie would make a proper game, and not yet another PDZ.

You said, give PD to Sony. :-S

Bungie will be forced to making movie games.

Bungie doesn't make movies. And just look at Infinite. It looks like a welfare movie. Bunch of cutscenes, all poorly done, bad open world design, cringe characters, poor story, etc. At Microsoft, they can't even make a movie.

GOOD. Movie games are an abomination to gaming.

So much so that MS were extremely jelly of TLOU2.🤷‍♂️Now they're even trying to make one with that linear asmr game Hellblade2.

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@HalcyonScarlet said:

GOOD. Movie games are an abomination to gaming.

You are very correct.

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@hardwenzen said:
@HalcyonScarlet said:

GOOD. Movie games are an abomination to gaming.

So much so that MS were extremely jelly of TLOU2.🤷‍♂️Now they're even trying to make one with that linear asmr game Hellblade2.

Yeah, they also said ND SUCK at the gameplay side.

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@Pedro said:
@HalcyonScarlet said:

GOOD. Movie games are an abomination to gaming.

You are very correct.

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Ooooopsie!!

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Ooooopsie!!

Oooopsie!!

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@mowgly1: I'd delete your account before you make yourself look even stupider

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#72  Edited By Pedro
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Thread backfired and OP is still fighting a losing fight. I approve.😂

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Microsoft should buy Crystal Dynamics.

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#74  Edited By daredevils2k
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@daredevils2k:

On a serious note "SP removes his SW mask" :P

The team is/was made up of some superstars in their field and frankly that there may be the issue because superstars come with super egos. Too many would be leaders and not enough willing followers if you know what I mean. ;)

Yah i agree with you when it comes to lems are pretty bad when it comes to not leading. You're right, MS should be making good games, instead of losing talent

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#75  Edited By deactivated-654dc0d1e0e5b
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So this will be more of a Crystal Dynamics next game than an Initiative first IP? Sounds like CD is the main developing company.

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#76  Edited By mowgly1
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@x_hedon said:
@mowgly1 said:

Ooooopsie!!

Oooopsie!!

LOL. Even worse. No wonder bunch of devs abandoned The Initiative

@thedork_knight said:

@mowgly1: I'd delete your account before you make yourself look even stupider

@Pedro said:

Thread backfired and OP is still fighting a losing fight. I approve.😂

LOL. Unbeliavable how Xbox fans trying to spin mass exodus of devs into something good. Hope The Initiative crumbles just to see your tears. Good, you are a proof how Phil Spencer brainwashed his own community.

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@daredevils2k said:
@SecretPolice said:

@daredevils2k:

On a serious note "SP removes his SW mask" :P

The team is/was made up of some superstars in their field and frankly that there may be the issue because superstars come with super egos. Too many would be leaders and not enough willing followers if you know what I mean. ;)

Yah i agree with you when it comes to lems are pretty bad when it comes to not leading. You're right, MS should be making good games, instead of losing talent

Unholy cowzrez you're such a bitter bovine.

Seriously, show us....

lol :P

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@mowgly1 said:
@x_hedon said:
@mowgly1 said:

Ooooopsie!!

Oooopsie!!

LOL. Even worse. No wonder bunch of devs abandoned The Initiative

@thedork_knight said:

@mowgly1: I'd delete your account before you make yourself look even stupider

@Pedro said:

Thread backfired and OP is still fighting a losing fight. I approve.😂

LOL. Unbeliavable how Xbox fans trying to spin mass exodus of devs into something good. Hope The Initiative crumbles just to see your tears. Good, you are a proof how Phil Spencer brainwashed his own community.

Funny thing is we arent laughing (maybe a little) at you for your thread, we are laughing at your stupid twitter post. Whilst you were furiously masturbating over the the twitter post by a known Sony pony, you were made to look even more of a joke by the next post.

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#79  Edited By Pedro
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@mowgly1: Reading how upset you are is always a joy.😂

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@x_hedon said:

Do you think Bungie will take advantage of the 12.155 TF of the Series X on the game Bungie makes? Or will Sony force Bungie to hold back the XSX version to make the PS5 verison look better.

You mean that 12 TFs that NO one is taking advantage of because Xbox fans only know marketing buzzwords and not how realtime performance actually works. 🤣

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#81 Pedro
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@BenjaminBanklin: You don't either.😂

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#82  Edited By BenjaminBanklin
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@BenjaminBanklin: You don't either.😂

Apparently DF does all the talking for me when we look at those head to head comparisons where a VRR enabled TV is expected to pick up the slack for Xbox 🤣

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#83 Pedro
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@BenjaminBanklin: Thanks for confirming.😂

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#84 pmanden
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Only fanboys rejoice when the development of a game is in trouble or it is cancelled.

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#85 Pedro
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@pmanden said:

Only fanboys rejoice when the development of a game is in trouble or it is cancelled.

That's TC😂

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@thedork_knight said:
@mowgly1 said:
@x_hedon said:
@mowgly1 said:

Ooooopsie!!

Oooopsie!!

LOL. Even worse. No wonder bunch of devs abandoned The Initiative

@thedork_knight said:

@mowgly1: I'd delete your account before you make yourself look even stupider

@Pedro said:

Thread backfired and OP is still fighting a losing fight. I approve.😂

LOL. Unbeliavable how Xbox fans trying to spin mass exodus of devs into something good. Hope The Initiative crumbles just to see your tears. Good, you are a proof how Phil Spencer brainwashed his own community.

Funny thing is we arent laughing (maybe a little) at you for your thread, we are laughing at your stupid twitter post. Whilst you were furiously masturbating over the the twitter post by a known Sony pony, you were made to look even more of a joke by the next post.

Tweet isn't made by me. LOL I'm furiosly masturbating on collapsing of The Initiative. Devs leaving the Xbox is good for Xbox community.

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#87  Edited By mowgly1
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@Pedro said:
@pmanden said:

Only fanboys rejoice when the development of a game is in trouble or it is cancelled.

That's TC😂

Look who is talking.

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@mowgly1 said:
@thedork_knight said:
@mowgly1 said:
@x_hedon said:
@mowgly1 said:

Ooooopsie!!

Oooopsie!!

LOL. Even worse. No wonder bunch of devs abandoned The Initiative

@thedork_knight said:

@mowgly1: I'd delete your account before you make yourself look even stupider

@Pedro said:

Thread backfired and OP is still fighting a losing fight. I approve.😂

LOL. Unbeliavable how Xbox fans trying to spin mass exodus of devs into something good. Hope The Initiative crumbles just to see your tears. Good, you are a proof how Phil Spencer brainwashed his own community.

Funny thing is we arent laughing (maybe a little) at you for your thread, we are laughing at your stupid twitter post. Whilst you were furiously masturbating over the the twitter post by a known Sony pony, you were made to look even more of a joke by the next post.

Tweet isn't made by me. LOL I'm furiosly masturbating on collapsing of The Initiative. Devs leaving the Xbox is good for Xbox community.

i know the tweet wasn't by you, but you made yourself look like an idiot by posting it in here.

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@BenjaminBanklin said:
@x_hedon said:

Do you think Bungie will take advantage of the 12.155 TF of the Series X on the game Bungie makes? Or will Sony force Bungie to hold back the XSX version to make the PS5 verison look better.

You mean that 12 TFs that NO one is taking advantage of because Xbox fans only know marketing buzzwords and not how realtime performance actually works. 🤣

Thank you Mr. Cerny for that fine as wine post.

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@zerothehero said:

Protossrushx predicted this

lol

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#92  Edited By Pedro
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@thedork_knight said:

i know the tweet wasn't by you, but you made yourself look like an idiot by posting it in here.

That is false, he made himself look like an idiot months ago. Since then, he has made it his job for us to never forget.😂

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#93  Edited By clone01
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@mowgly1 said:
@Pedro said:
@pmanden said:

Only fanboys rejoice when the development of a game is in trouble or it is cancelled.

That's TC😂

Look who is talking.

Dude, have you ever considered a hobby? Might I suggest gaming?

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#94 Pedro
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@mowgly1 said:
@Pedro said:

That's TC😂

Look who is talking.

I literally never participate in either but don't be upset if folks are seeing you for what you are.😎

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@SecretPolice said:

"The timing of the departures coincides with the September 2021 announcement that Crystal Dynamics had been signed to co-develop Perfect Dark.

This, combined with the few job roles currently advertised at The Initiative, suggests that the Tomb Raider developer is likely taking a much stronger lead than first thought on the project."

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Easy peasy lemon squeezy. lol :P

Was gonna say the same.

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#96  Edited By thedork_knight
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@Pedro: good point, the man is a moron

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#97  Edited By Mozelleple112
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@x_hedon: You just removed the two greatest video game studios of all time and added some shitty developer that has never made a good game before? I haven't even heard of them lmao.

The undisputed top 5 AAAA studios is Koji Pro, Naughty God, FromSoft, R* North and Nintendo's flagship studio. those are the only 5 studios where you know its going to be a masterpiece guaranteed and high chance of being a 10/10 game.

The rest of the top 10, that just didn't make the cut, aka AAA+ studios are Bioware, Bethesda, Sony Santa Monica, another one of Nintendo's studios,

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@Mozelleple112 said:

@x_hedon: You just removed the two greatest video game studios of all time and added some shitty developer that has never made a good game before? I haven't even heard of them lmao.

The undisputed top 5 AAAA studios is Koji Pro, Naughty God, FromSoft, R* North and Nintendo's flagship studio. those are the only 5 studios where you know its going to be a masterpiece guaranteed and high chance of being a 10/10 game.

The rest of the top 10, that just didn't make the cut, aka AAA+ studios are Bioware, Bethesda, Sony Santa Monica, another one of Nintendo's studios,

Thank you kindly for your opinion. Mucho appreciated.

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@hardwenzen said:

What is up with Microsoft studios ALL having issues? F*ck up anything but Perfect Dark. I have been waiting for this game for so long, and it looks like it might be the next Halo Infinite or Crackdown 3. And just like with PDZ, they will release a shitty PD game, sales will tank, and MS will consider it being not a profitable franchise ffs. So much potential in this series, but nobody at Microsoft has the talent to execute what's needed.

Apparently apart from everyone else in the world you didn't get the memo that this studio is headed by a person responsible for Tomb Raider reboot.

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I found the idea of The Initiative to be a little too stacked on paper. They bring all these big names in but will it even yield the expected results? I thought I heard in past they'd be more of an R&D type studio whatever that would mean. Maybe their job is simply to create the framework of a project and pass the task off to a studio fit to finish it, like they are doing now.

We have seen cherished game devs in past split from the studios they managed to start their own and go nowhere. Sometimes studios get on just fine in their absence, or improve, or go down. But I think it says something about the importance of a team's synergy. That just can't be achieved by stacking celebrated names together, rather it seems counter-intuitive in ways as I expect passionate creators trying to craft a vision to butt heads with each other.

Platinum Games might be one of the shining exceptions of creators leaving a publisher to start their own studio. Though their quality is hit and miss I mostly attribute that from juggling too much work. But when they hit it out of the ball park, I feel that comes largely from the fact their team isn't just comprised of veteran creators, but their team being largely comprised of former Capcom employees when they worked under the Clover Studios banner. They brought with them their synergy intact.