Xbox Capacity vs PS3 Capacity DEBATE

I've been looking around and I cant find anything relating to the next place they'll take Xbox 360 discs..

IMO, Xbox has already lost... HDDVD is dead, and therefor, there will be no room for next gen games. (Forget consoles, its too early to release another console)

I just dont see how they can match up when PS3 hits its maximum disc capacity. I believe we're at 50gb so far, compared to 360's 8gb. Thats 6 xbox discs to equal 1 PS3 disc. and you say disc switching isnt a problem? you can handle taking the disc out and switching it every once in a while? yeah... i totally agree.

But seeing as how physically, a bluray and a dvd are the same size... i guess they could make games on PS3, with 50gb blurays, with a 2 disc game. Math time! 6 dvds=1 bluray... sooo, 2 blurays=12 dvds.. You're willing to buy a game that comes with A DOZEN discs? i dont think so, id rather have 2 discs... less $ to lose...

But wait, we arent done yet. Seeing as how Toshiba bowed out, leaving bluray to become the new format, TDK has been working on something special for us.

Witness: http://news.softpedia.com/news/TDK-200GB-Blu-Ray-Disc-The-world-s-highest-optical-disc-capacity-22753.shtml

Two Hundred Gigabytes... im not even gunna bother converting that one. Sure it says that so far most bluray players are unable to read the new TDK disc. But the format battle ended on Feb 16, 2008, if I did my research correctly. That means its been almost 2 years into bluray and they've released the largest capacity ever on an optical disc format. I give it another year MAX before this is perfected and the possibility of a bigger PS3 game is here...

You will install the game onto the hard drive of your 360 you say? You really wanna spend all that time importing all that onto the harddrive? Either way, the largest 360 HDD i can find so far, (correct me if I'm wrong) is 120gb. This is the smaller of the two options for PS3. And even then, when Bluray reaches full capacity, you will only get to install 2 games on that HDD before its full.

I will give a benefit of the doubt that a larger HDD will be available by that time. But if the HDD for 360 can increase, then so can the HDD for PS3.

And lets not discount the fact that the new PS3s can use laptop HDDs, instead of the proprietary ones for 360. Also, who says the PS3 has to even use a HDD?

Witness: http://www.gamespot.com/features/6192258/index.html

With advances being made in SSD technology, PS3 may end up going for SSD right outa the box some time soon. I bring this up, not because I am seeking to write off the 360, but because I'm concerned for the competition. If 360 does lose, (theoretical here) and all the developers jump ship for bigger capacity, that leaves no competition to bring the price of the system (or games) down. I WANT 360 TO DO WELL, if only to keep the market hot.

So I bring it to you, see if you can find a reasonable solution for this, and post it. DVD capacity increasing? Better compression methods? I dont care, debate with me about this please.

P.S. I did my research, please do yours too.

New console seems the most likely solution.

Yes the PS3 is the more advanced system. Is that the point your trying to get across:question:

You really think they would release a new console already? They run the risk of deflating their market! If I hand you two apples. And you start eating one, then I hand you another apple, what will happen? Either you will drop a perfectly good apple in favor of the new one, or you will let the new apple fall, because you already have a perfectly good apple in your hand.

Besides, I see no advantage they can put into a new system that PS3 doesnt already have. Perhaps a new processor. They would HAVE to go bluray, and they would HAVE to go laptop HDD or SSD. And now your left with basically a PS3 in an Xbox casing.

And will they revive Halo? Seriously? Halo 4? already? or some other creative spinoff of it? Halo HBDSD? who knows!

Edit: No I already know the PS3 is a more advanced system, I'm wondering what MS is planning on doing about it..

MS for very begining didn't want to use HD-DVD as an game container and even after HD-DVD victory they would use it due accessability. DVD-HD was higher risk for MS then BD for Sony in gameing industry.

the bulk of a Bluray is used for multiple instances of the game because the bluray in the PS3 is so slow and for 7.1 audio (which only 9 people in the world use)

I don't think there is a debate, when it comes to storage PS3>360 hands down. Too bad devs won't use it for other things then duplicate datas and uncompressed audio until maybe the end of the gen. It's sad that PS3 blu-ray drives has lower read speed that forces installs on multiplats.

This reminded me of the disk switching sequence in MGS4 :P

You really think they would release a new console already? They run the risk of deflating their market! If I hand you two apples. And you start eating one, then I hand you another apple, what will happen? Either you will drop a perfectly good apple in favor of the new one, or you will let the new apple fall, because you already have a perfectly good apple in your hand.

Besides, I see no advantage they can put into a new system that PS3 doesnt already have. Perhaps a new processor. They would HAVE to go bluray, and they would HAVE to go laptop HDD or SSD. And now your left with basically a PS3 in an Xbox casing.

And will they revive Halo? Seriously? Halo 4? already? or some other creative spinoff of it? Halo HBDSD? who knows!

Edit: No I already know the PS3 is a more advanced system, I'm wondering what MS is planning on doing about it..

The_EdgE999

M$claims that the 360 will last until 2015 with the release of Natal aka eyetoy 2, but I don't see how when games just keep getting longer and longer. Soon they'll have 4 disc games.

The 360 is a last gen system, it should have been released along with the PS2 and Gamecube. Maybe when they release their next system they might think outside the box a little more and make their system a little more technologically advanced.

RE: BR read speeds, i found a blog entry on gamespot here. check it out.

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/profile/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=23916169&user=skektek

Edit: @ Wayne_kar, Me and almost all my friends run Onkyo 7.1 channel systems. What other way to best enjoy the glory of supreme audio?! :P

[QUOTE="The_EdgE999"]

You really think they would release a new console already? They run the risk of deflating their market! If I hand you two apples. And you start eating one, then I hand you another apple, what will happen? Either you will drop a perfectly good apple in favor of the new one, or you will let the new apple fall, because you already have a perfectly good apple in your hand.

Besides, I see no advantage they can put into a new system that PS3 doesnt already have. Perhaps a new processor. They would HAVE to go bluray, and they would HAVE to go laptop HDD or SSD. And now your left with basically a PS3 in an Xbox casing.

And will they revive Halo? Seriously? Halo 4? already? or some other creative spinoff of it? Halo HBDSD? who knows!

Edit: No I already know the PS3 is a more advanced system, I'm wondering what MS is planning on doing about it..

SomeGuyInLA

M$claims that the 360 will last until 2015 with the release of Natal aka eyetoy 2, but I don't see how when games just keep getting longer and longer. Soon they'll have 4 disc games.

The 360 is a last gen system, it should have been released along with the PS2 and Gamecube. Maybe when they release their next system they might think outside the box a little more and make their system a little more technologically advanced.

Lol @ Eyetoy 2 and 360 being last gen. That's weird, I wonder how 360 can be last gen but still 90 percent of Multiplats are better on 360. And Natal is definitley not a Eyetoy 2.

I'm thinking MS will release another console in 2013. Sure Blu-ray holds more space but so far almost 4 years in to this gen there are only a few games that require more than one disk on the 360. So i'm sure 360 technology will hold it's own against the teh cell, LMAO.

I think Sony sould allow to use DVDs for game, same as on PS2 they allowed to use CDs... some PS3 games fits on DVD9

[QUOTE="SomeGuyInLA"]

[QUOTE="The_EdgE999"]

You really think they would release a new console already? They run the risk of deflating their market! If I hand you two apples. And you start eating one, then I hand you another apple, what will happen? Either you will drop a perfectly good apple in favor of the new one, or you will let the new apple fall, because you already have a perfectly good apple in your hand.

Besides, I see no advantage they can put into a new system that PS3 doesnt already have. Perhaps a new processor. They would HAVE to go bluray, and they would HAVE to go laptop HDD or SSD. And now your left with basically a PS3 in an Xbox casing.

And will they revive Halo? Seriously? Halo 4? already? or some other creative spinoff of it? Halo HBDSD? who knows!

Edit: No I already know the PS3 is a more advanced system, I'm wondering what MS is planning on doing about it..

RAGINGxPONY

M$claims that the 360 will last until 2015 with the release of Natal aka eyetoy 2, but I don't see how when games just keep getting longer and longer. Soon they'll have 4 disc games.

The 360 is a last gen system, it should have been released along with the PS2 and Gamecube. Maybe when they release their next system they might think outside the box a little more and make their system a little more technologically advanced.

Lol @ Eyetoy 2 and 360 being last gen. That's weird, I wonder how 360 can be last gen but still 90 percent of Multiplats are better on 360. And Natal is definitley not a Eyetoy 2.

I'm thinking MS will release another console in 2013. Sure Blu-ray holds more space but so far almost 4 years in to this gen there are only a few games that require more than one disk on the 360. So i'm sure 360 technology will hold it's own against the teh cell, LMAO.

A 360 is a xbox with better graphics and a $50 dollar live fee. They didn't make many changes to it. Its the only Next gen system with a disk tray and no built in wifi, even the Nintendo ds has wifi. When it was first released it didn't even have an hdmi port.

[QUOTE="SomeGuyInLA"]

M$claims that the 360 will last until 2015 with the release of Natal aka eyetoy 2, but I don't see how when games just keep getting longer and longer. Soon they'll have 4 disc games.

The 360 is a last gen system, it should have been released along with the PS2 and Gamecube. Maybe when they release their next system they might think outside the box a little more and make their system a little more technologically advanced.

RAGINGxPONY

Lol @ Eyetoy 2 and 360 being last gen. That's weird, I wonder how 360 can be last gen but still 90 percent of Multiplats are better on 360. And Natal is definitley not a Eyetoy 2.

I'm thinking MS will release another console in 2013. Sure Blu-ray holds more space but so far almost 4 years in to this gen there are only a few games that require more than one disk on the 360. So i'm sure 360 technology will hold it's own against the teh cell, LMAO.

In technogical point of look... Natal can be called Eyetoy 2.0, what if Natal would be devloped by Sony, i'm sure at least codename would have name like that ;]

You can't deny that Natal is step forward in EyeToy idea

the bulk of a Bluray is used for multiple instances of the game because the bluray in the PS3 is so slow and for 7.1 audio (which only 9 people in the world use)

wayne_kar

2013 you say for the next MS console? That leaves 3 years for PS3 to not only maximize BR's potential, but upgrade their own system as well. We are talking about this system, not the system they'll make in a few years. You really think Sony will make the same mistake again and launch a PS4 a year after Xbox(w/etheycallit)? They'll almost assuredly release simultainiously or close together. But thats for another day, this is about the here and now. How long will it take for BR to surpass anything a DVD can provide?

Edit: Re: Blu Ray Read Speeds/Installs

read plox!

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/profile/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=23916169&user=skektek

[QUOTE="RAGINGxPONY"]

[QUOTE="SomeGuyInLA"]

M$claims that the 360 will last until 2015 with the release of Natal aka eyetoy 2, but I don't see how when games just keep getting longer and longer. Soon they'll have 4 disc games.

The 360 is a last gen system, it should have been released along with the PS2 and Gamecube. Maybe when they release their next system they might think outside the box a little more and make their system a little more technologically advanced.

ShadowriverUB

Lol @ Eyetoy 2 and 360 being last gen. That's weird, I wonder how 360 can be last gen but still 90 percent of Multiplats are better on 360. And Natal is definitley not a Eyetoy 2.

I'm thinking MS will release another console in 2013. Sure Blu-ray holds more space but so far almost 4 years in to this gen there are only a few games that require more than one disk on the 360. So i'm sure 360 technology will hold it's own against the teh cell, LMAO.

In technogical point of look... Natal can be called Eyetoy 2.0, what if Natal would be devloped by Sony, i'm sure at least codename would have name like that ;]

You can't deny that Natal is step forward in EyeToy idea

Yeah, true that.

Although he was trying to say Natal was going to suck like eyetoy did.Which i don't think it will.

What about digital download? Alot of ps3 games have already gone that route. Case in point: GT5 prologue, Ratchet and Clanks, Uncharted..

Then the question of HDD vs SSD comes in.

What about digital download? Alot of ps3 games have already gone that route. Case in point: GT5 prologue, Ratchet and Clanks, Uncharted..

Then the question of HDD vs SSD comes in.

The_EdgE999

I heard SSD's are better for the PS3 (not sure) but I checked the price of those things and they're expensive. Maybe the price will lower in the future, but for now I'm sticking with a hdd.

SSD is to expensive right now and on tests on current PS3 hardware it didn't show much improvment on some games, like MGS4. SSD is good for mobile devices (laptops) because of damage resitense.

What about digital download? Alot of ps3 games have already gone that route. Case in point: GT5 prologue, Ratchet and Clanks, Uncharted..

Then the question of HDD vs SSD comes in.

The_EdgE999

I don't know why people call the Blu-Ray drive an advantage.

It fuc*ks up the whole loading sh*t on the PS3 . I hate installing games. I hate loading screens, I hate god damn forced installs, and I hate choosing the games to play based on how many games I can fit into a forced-installation-based hard drive.

Blu-ray slows the hell out of the loading on the PS3 and its horrible. That's why PS3 games load like a b*t*h and/or force installations into the hard drive. I'll go on record to say I'd hate the hell out of a god damn blu-ray drive because I'd want my life back after wading through 20 games with forced installs.

I don't play on consoles to f*c*i*ng install my game. I don't play on consoles to manage the space on my hard drive for what games could fit into it. That's what PC's are for.

Actually, Steam does all my installing for me.

BloodSeeker1337

I just found an article pertaining to exactly this http://www.storagesearch.com/bitmicro-art3.html it says that the access time for HDD is 5000-10000 micro seconds, compared to 35-100 microseconds for SSD thats about 100 times faster. It also states that the longevity of SSD is an advantage, because there are no moving parts, there is less wear and tear. HDD can be nightmares when they crash... It also says that SSD run A LOT cooler, so maybe this would be a viable solution for MS, seeing as everywhere i go they sell external cooling fans for 360... And as far as price goes, im not really too concerned with that because its computer technology, check back in a few months and the price will have dropped to a more reasonable amount.

Edit: Turns out that was an older article, now theyre saying SSD is 300-500 times faster than HDD.

ps4 will be out when ps3 celebrate it's sixth birthday and 360 is here to stay for a while

ps4 will be out when ps3 celebrate it's sixth birthday and 360 is here to stay for a while

kyacat

if thats the case, then MS is about to get annihilated... if PS4 releases before a new xbox, they dont stand a chance..

ps4 will be out when ps3 celebrate it's sixth birthday and 360 is here to stay for a while

kyacat

:lol: Good one

ps4 will be out when ps3 celebrate it's sixth birthday and 360 is here to stay for a while

kyacat

Xbox has lost? Lost what? Have you looked at the sale figures? I love my PS3 but I'm not unrealistic about the situation. It's price scuppered it this gen. This latest reduction maybe too little too late but we'll wait and see.

I've been looking around and I cant find anything relating to the next place they'll take Xbox 360 discs..

IMO, Xbox has already lost... HDDVD is dead, and therefor, there will be no room for next gen games. (Forget consoles, its too early to release another console)

I just dont see how they can match up when PS3 hits its maximum disc capacity. I believe we're at 50gb so far, compared to 360's 8gb. Thats 6 xbox discs to equal 1 PS3 disc. and you say disc switching isnt a problem? you can handle taking the disc out and switching it every once in a while? yeah... i totally agree.

But seeing as how physically, a bluray and a dvd are the same size... i guess they could make games on PS3, with 50gb blurays, with a 2 disc game. Math time! 6 dvds=1 bluray... sooo, 2 blurays=12 dvds.. You're willing to buy a game that comes with A DOZEN discs? i dont think so, id rather have 2 discs... less $ to lose...

But wait, we arent done yet. Seeing as how Toshiba bowed out, leaving bluray to become the new format, TDK has been working on something special for us.

Witness: http://news.softpedia.com/news/TDK-200GB-Blu-Ray-Disc-The-world-s-highest-optical-disc-capacity-22753.shtml

Two Hundred Gigabytes... im not even gunna bother converting that one. Sure it says that so far most bluray players are unable to read the new TDK disc. But the format battle ended on Feb 16, 2008, if I did my research correctly. That means its been almost 2 years into bluray and they've released the largest capacity ever on an optical disc format. I give it another year MAX before this is perfected and the possibility of a bigger PS3 game is here...

You will install the game onto the hard drive of your 360 you say? You really wanna spend all that time importing all that onto the harddrive? Either way, the largest 360 HDD i can find so far, (correct me if I'm wrong) is 120gb. This is the smaller of the two options for PS3. And even then, when Bluray reaches full capacity, you will only get to install 2 games on that HDD before its full.

I will give a benefit of the doubt that a larger HDD will be available by that time. But if the HDD for 360 can increase, then so can the HDD for PS3.

And lets not discount the fact that the new PS3s can use laptop HDDs, instead of the proprietary ones for 360. Also, who says the PS3 has to even use a HDD?

Witness: http://www.gamespot.com/features/6192258/index.html

With advances being made in SSD technology, PS3 may end up going for SSD right outa the box some time soon. I bring this up, not because I am seeking to write off the 360, but because I'm concerned for the competition. If 360 does lose, (theoretical here) and all the developers jump ship for bigger capacity, that leaves no competition to bring the price of the system (or games) down. I WANT 360 TO DO WELL, if only to keep the market hot.

So I bring it to you, see if you can find a reasonable solution for this, and post it. DVD capacity increasing? Better compression methods? I dont care, debate with me about this please.

P.S. I did my research, please do yours too.

The_EdgE999

Ok, there are too many PS3 zealots with fanboi glasses on this thread. I'd like to know who said it's to early to talk about the next console. I know it's too early for the PS4 because the PS3 supposedly has a 10 yr life span, thats 2016, but the Xbox360 is having Natal release next year. They will play around with that for 2 years, so by 2012 we can have the Next Xbox with new technology. Heck Nintendo already has their next system in development. They willprobably be first to release.

Talking about a 200 GB bluray games, what game company will make that? Sony themselves? Think of the development costs and the development time ! By the time the game is complete it would be time for the NExt Gen consoles.

[QUOTE="The_EdgE999"]

I've been looking around and I cant find anything relating to the next place they'll take Xbox 360 discs..

IMO, Xbox has already lost... HDDVD is dead, and therefor, there will be no room for next gen games. (Forget consoles, its too early to release another console)

I just dont see how they can match up when PS3 hits its maximum disc capacity. I believe we're at 50gb so far, compared to 360's 8gb. Thats 6 xbox discs to equal 1 PS3 disc. and you say disc switching isnt a problem? you can handle taking the disc out and switching it every once in a while? yeah... i totally agree.

But seeing as how physically, a bluray and a dvd are the same size... i guess they could make games on PS3, with 50gb blurays, with a 2 disc game. Math time! 6 dvds=1 bluray... sooo, 2 blurays=12 dvds.. You're willing to buy a game that comes with A DOZEN discs? i dont think so, id rather have 2 discs... less $ to lose...

But wait, we arent done yet. Seeing as how Toshiba bowed out, leaving bluray to become the new format, TDK has been working on something special for us.

Witness: http://news.softpedia.com/news/TDK-200GB-Blu-Ray-Disc-The-world-s-highest-optical-disc-capacity-22753.shtml

Two Hundred Gigabytes... im not even gunna bother converting that one. Sure it says that so far most bluray players are unable to read the new TDK disc. But the format battle ended on Feb 16, 2008, if I did my research correctly. That means its been almost 2 years into bluray and they've released the largest capacity ever on an optical disc format. I give it another year MAX before this is perfected and the possibility of a bigger PS3 game is here...

You will install the game onto the hard drive of your 360 you say? You really wanna spend all that time importing all that onto the harddrive? Either way, the largest 360 HDD i can find so far, (correct me if I'm wrong) is 120gb. This is the smaller of the two options for PS3. And even then, when Bluray reaches full capacity, you will only get to install 2 games on that HDD before its full.

I will give a benefit of the doubt that a larger HDD will be available by that time. But if the HDD for 360 can increase, then so can the HDD for PS3.

And lets not discount the fact that the new PS3s can use laptop HDDs, instead of the proprietary ones for 360. Also, who says the PS3 has to even use a HDD?

Witness: http://www.gamespot.com/features/6192258/index.html

With advances being made in SSD technology, PS3 may end up going for SSD right outa the box some time soon. I bring this up, not because I am seeking to write off the 360, but because I'm concerned for the competition. If 360 does lose, (theoretical here) and all the developers jump ship for bigger capacity, that leaves no competition to bring the price of the system (or games) down. I WANT 360 TO DO WELL, if only to keep the market hot.

So I bring it to you, see if you can find a reasonable solution for this, and post it. DVD capacity increasing? Better compression methods? I dont care, debate with me about this please.

P.S. I did my research, please do yours too.

Ok, there are too many PS3 zealots with fanboi glasses on this thread. I'd like to know who said it's to early to talk about the next console. I know it's too early for the PS4 because the PS3 supposedly has a 10 yr life span, thats 2016, but the Xbox360 is having Natal release next year. They will play around with that for 2 years, so by 2012 we can have the Next Xbox with new technology. Heck Nintendo already has their next system in development. They willprobably be first to release.

Talking about a 200 GB bluray games, what game company will make that? Sony themselves? Think of the development costs and the development time ! By the time the game is complete it would be time for the NExt Gen consoles.

thats the ps3 is a good machine everybody that hates it dont have a ps3

[QUOTE="RAGINGxPONY"]

[QUOTE="SomeGuyInLA"]

M$claims that the 360 will last until 2015 with the release of Natal aka eyetoy 2, but I don't see how when games just keep getting longer and longer. Soon they'll have 4 disc games.

The 360 is a last gen system, it should have been released along with the PS2 and Gamecube. Maybe when they release their next system they might think outside the box a little more and make their system a little more technologically advanced.

Lol @ Eyetoy 2 and 360 being last gen. That's weird, I wonder how 360 can be last gen but still 90 percent of Multiplats are better on 360. And Natal is definitley not a Eyetoy 2.

I'm thinking MS will release another console in 2013. Sure Blu-ray holds more space but so far almost 4 years in to this gen there are only a few games that require more than one disk on the 360. So i'm sure 360 technology will hold it's own against the teh cell, LMAO.

A 360 is a xbox with better graphics and a $50 dollar live fee. They didn't make many changes to it. Its the only Next gen system with a disk tray and no built in wifi, even the Nintendo ds has wifi. When it was first released it didn't even have an hdmi port.

pst... im not a zealot.. i owned a 360 before i owned a ps3, im just trying to form an unbiased debate on whether the 360 will ever be able to handle the same amount of data a ps3 can. right now it cant, but in the future that may change, im trying to find out what people think the next innovation will be.

pst... im not a zealot.. i owned a 360 before i owned a ps3, im just trying to form an unbiased debate on whether the 360 will ever be able to handle the same amount of data a ps3 can. right now it cant, but in the future that may change, im trying to find out what people think the next innovation will be.

The_EdgE999

I've been looking around and I cant find anything relating to the next place they'll take Xbox 360 discs..

IMO, Xbox has already lost... HDDVD is dead, and therefor, there will be no room for next gen games. (Forget consoles, its too early to release another console)

I just dont see how they can match up when PS3 hits its maximum disc capacity. I believe we're at 50gb so far, compared to 360's 8gb. Thats 6 xbox discs to equal 1 PS3 disc. and you say disc switching isnt a problem? you can handle taking the disc out and switching it every once in a while? yeah... i totally agree.

But seeing as how physically, a bluray and a dvd are the same size... i guess they could make games on PS3, with 50gb blurays, with a 2 disc game. Math time! 6 dvds=1 bluray... sooo, 2 blurays=12 dvds.. You're willing to buy a game that comes with A DOZEN discs? i dont think so, id rather have 2 discs... less $ to lose...

But wait, we arent done yet. Seeing as how Toshiba bowed out, leaving bluray to become the new format, TDK has been working on something special for us.

Witness: http://news.softpedia.com/news/TDK-200GB-Blu-Ray-Disc-The-world-s-highest-optical-disc-capacity-22753.shtml

Two Hundred Gigabytes... im not even gunna bother converting that one. Sure it says that so far most bluray players are unable to read the new TDK disc. But the format battle ended on Feb 16, 2008, if I did my research correctly. That means its been almost 2 years into bluray and they've released the largest capacity ever on an optical disc format. I give it another year MAX before this is perfected and the possibility of a bigger PS3 game is here...

You will install the game onto the hard drive of your 360 you say? You really wanna spend all that time importing all that onto the harddrive? Either way, the largest 360 HDD i can find so far, (correct me if I'm wrong) is 120gb. This is the smaller of the two options for PS3. And even then, when Bluray reaches full capacity, you will only get to install 2 games on that HDD before its full.

I will give a benefit of the doubt that a larger HDD will be available by that time. But if the HDD for 360 can increase, then so can the HDD for PS3.

And lets not discount the fact that the new PS3s can use laptop HDDs, instead of the proprietary ones for 360. Also, who says the PS3 has to even use a HDD?

Witness: http://www.gamespot.com/features/6192258/index.html

With advances being made in SSD technology, PS3 may end up going for SSD right outa the box some time soon. I bring this up, not because I am seeking to write off the 360, but because I'm concerned for the competition. If 360 does lose, (theoretical here) and all the developers jump ship for bigger capacity, that leaves no competition to bring the price of the system (or games) down. I WANT 360 TO DO WELL, if only to keep the market hot.

So I bring it to you, see if you can find a reasonable solution for this, and post it. DVD capacity increasing? Better compression methods? I dont care, debate with me about this please.

P.S. I did my research, please do yours too.

The_EdgE999

You know, it's not only the new PS3s but also the old ones as well. In fact all PS3 have an upgradeable HDD slot. Now according to gamespot, putting a SSD in place of the HDD won'tsignificantly make the PS load times faster. From what I've read, the 2x Bluray drive holds it back. Plus if you can afford a SSD just to put in your PS3 NOW then you have to much extra money laying around. It's like buying a 500 GB HDD for your PS3, it's too much. Besides you can always just network your PS3 to your computer and watch movies and pictures from there; you can do the same on the Xbox.But the price of technology is going down so I'dsay all next gen systems, be it 2012 or 2016 , will use SSDs.

[QUOTE="kyacat"]

ps4 will be out when ps3 celebrate it's sixth birthday and 360 is here to stay for a while

SomeGuyInLA

:lol: Good one

[QUOTE="The_EdgE999"]

You really think they would release a new console already? They run the risk of deflating their market! If I hand you two apples. And you start eating one, then I hand you another apple, what will happen? Either you will drop a perfectly good apple in favor of the new one, or you will let the new apple fall, because you already have a perfectly good apple in your hand.

Besides, I see no advantage they can put into a new system that PS3 doesnt already have. Perhaps a new processor. They would HAVE to go bluray, and they would HAVE to go laptop HDD or SSD. And now your left with basically a PS3 in an Xbox casing.

And will they revive Halo? Seriously? Halo 4? already? or some other creative spinoff of it? Halo HBDSD? who knows!

Edit: No I already know the PS3 is a more advanced system, I'm wondering what MS is planning on doing about it..

SomeGuyInLA

M$claims that the 360 will last until 2015 with the release of Natal aka eyetoy 2, but I don't see how when games just keep getting longer and longer. Soon they'll have 4 disc games.

The 360 is a last gen system, it should have been released along with the PS2 and Gamecube. Maybe when they release their next system they might think outside the box a little more and make their system a little more technologically advanced.

I love how all the Sony fanboys seem to forget the older Playstation consoles, which had alot of games with multiple disks.

I love how all the Sony fanboys seem to forget the older Playstation consoles, which had alot of games with multiple disks.

wizardwd

I think Sony sould allow to use DVDs for game, same as on PS2 they allowed to use CDs... some PS3 games fits on DVD9

ShadowriverUB

Example I've installed some games on my 360 HDD you will not believe how small some games are

boarderlands 3.3 gigs

Assassins Creed 2 5.2 gigs

Far Cry 2 3.6 gigs

The orange box 3.9 gigs

Mass Effect 6.8 gigs

and those are all massive games with awesome graphics

Also I have a 60gig PS3 with 20 exclusive game, with no trailers or downloadable games and theirs only 15 gigs left where the hell has all that space gone to, no wonder Sony put 120 gigs in the new model

I have a 120gig HDD 360 with over 200 games, traliers, demos, downloadable games, loads of games installed to HDD and have 48 gigs left

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"]

I think Sony sould allow to use DVDs for game, same as on PS2 they allowed to use CDs... some PS3 games fits on DVD9

Example I've installed some games on my 360 HDD you will not believe how small some games are

boarderlands 3.3 gigs

Assassins Creed 2 5.2 gigs

Far Cry 2 3.6 gigs

The orange box 3.9 gigs

Mass Effect 6.8 gigs

and those are all massive games with awesome graphics

ok here's the truth about blu-ray & the ps3 it only has a few advantages.

1. Both systems have 512MB of ram. That means that each system can only load the same amount of assets at one time.

2. Both systems have basically the same MB/s drive speed. That means loading takes about the same time (the ps3 does give developers the option of loading from the hard drive which is why oblivion loads faster).

Now Blu-ray does have an advantage when it comes to pre-rendered cut-scenes which are popular in japanese games like Metal Gear Solid, FF, and such. On the other hand many western developers are using live-render cut scenes like GTA, Halo, and such.

Another advantage to blu-ray is that you only need to press 1 international copy since you can fit all translated languages onto the same disk. W/ 360 it's often broken down by territory which causes some headache for the international community.

Now hypothetically you can put more assets onto a blu-ray disc, but this gen rarely does a developer want to use more than 7 gigs of assets. Remember more assets cause more problems. They cost more money, use up more time, and create more bugs. More isn't always better.

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"]

I think Sony sould allow to use DVDs for game, same as on PS2 they allowed to use CDs... some PS3 games fits on DVD9

Example I've installed some games on my 360 HDD you will not believe how small some games are

boarderlands 3.3 gigs

Assassins Creed 2 5.2 gigs

Far Cry 2 3.6 gigs

The orange box 3.9 gigs

Mass Effect 6.8 gigs

and those are all massive games with awesome graphics

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"]

I think Sony sould allow to use DVDs for game, same as on PS2 they allowed to use CDs... some PS3 games fits on DVD9

Example I've installed some games on my 360 HDD you will not believe how small some games are

boarderlands 3.3 gigs

Assassins Creed 2 5.2 gigs

Far Cry 2 3.6 gigs

The orange box 3.9 gigs

Mass Effect 6.8 gigs

and those are all massive games with awesome graphics

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="Supabul"] Some PS3 games fit on DVD9, like all the multiplat game would fit on DVD9, so would all the exclusive PS3 games. And don't believe the crap about PS3 games taken up 50gigs, most games would be hitting 15 to 20 gigs and that can be compressed on to DVD9

Example I've installed some games on my 360 HDD you will not believe how small some games are

boarderlands 3.3 gigs

Assassins Creed 2 5.2 gigs

Far Cry 2 3.6 gigs

The orange box 3.9 gigs

Mass Effect 6.8 gigs

and those are all massive games with awesome graphics

Supabul

Yes I know a 20gb file/data can be compressed to fit on a dvd 9 but, LoL, 360 game thats 6-8.5 gb that installs to 3 gb I doubt that because do you know how much processing power is needed to compress or uncompress that about of info on the fly? What the 360 or PS3 mostly does is install the main game engine and some of the big data files onto the hdd for faster loading thats it , Plus you dont have to install every 360 to play it so that 8.5 gb game is 8.5 gb not 20gb.