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#151 geist117
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[QUOTE="latinrage69"]no but i can shoot the messenger for making up his own reasons that are not in the message itselfDualshockin
Lemmings sure do love guns.

Almost as much as cows love waiting and year old 360 ports.
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#152 Dualshockin
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[QUOTE="buuzer0"] Since when does "redesign" strictly mean "only cosmetic" changes (meaning only the look/size of the product is affected, not features)? Cars are "redesigned" each year, with new features being removed or added, even though its the same model. And I seem to recall the PS2 slimline was not strictly a "cosmetic" update, but correct me if I'm wrong. In addition to being smaller and thinner, the PS2 slimline added a built in Ethernet port, REMOVED the 3.5" HDD expansion bay (which meant you could no longer play FFXI, right?), and made the power supply external like the GC.

We all know what MS are doing with the Elite,it is considered to be "shafting" the current owners of the 360. Adding HDMI,a bigger HDD,and raising the price is not a redesign.It is milkage.
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#154 Dualshockin
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[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="latinrage69"]no but i can shoot the messenger for making up his own reasons that are not in the message itselfgeist117
Lemmings sure do love guns.

Almost as much as cows love waiting and year old 360 ports.

In the same way Lems have to wait for Guitar Hero or?
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#155 buuzer0
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[QUOTE="buuzer0"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

[QUOTE="deadmeat59"]lemmings got owned by there own company ouch . big time to! this is just a gimick to get more sales to o well.Dualshockin

How so? I am not required to buy this new model. Its like the Slim-line PS2, or even the PSOne. Thats not ownage, that is a re-design.

A redesign is a cosmetic change,this is not a redesign,Microsoft are adding HDMI and a bigger harddisk.

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"] Righfully said,like I pointed out in a previous post,the Slimline was a cosmetic change,it wasnt in anyway better than the Ps2 apart from size(Which to some isnt even an issue) Most companies milk their customers in one way or another and at some point or another,the Elite is an example of such.

Since when does "redesign" strictly mean "only cosmetic" changes (meaning only the look/size of the product is affected, not features)? Cars are "redesigned" each year, with new features being removed or added, even though its the same model. And I seem to recall the PS2 slimline was not strictly a "cosmetic" update, but correct me if I'm wrong. In addition to being smaller and thinner, the PS2 slimline added a built in Ethernet port, REMOVED the 3.5" HDD expansion bay (which meant you could no longer play FFXI, right?), and made the power supply external like the GC.

We all know what MS are doing with the Elite,it is considered to be "shafting" the current owners of the 360. Adding HDMI,a bigger HDD,and raising the price is not a redesign.It is milkage.

You don't have to buy the Elite. There you go misusing terms again. "Milkage". While this isn't in the dictionary, I'm sure anyone around here with common sense will tell you that "milkage" doesn't occur when MS is not forcing anyone to buy this new Elite.
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#156 Bgrngod
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[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="buuzer0"] Since when does "redesign" strictly mean "only cosmetic" changes (meaning only the look/size of the product is affected, not features)? Cars are "redesigned" each year, with new features being removed or added, even though its the same model. And I seem to recall the PS2 slimline was not strictly a "cosmetic" update, but correct me if I'm wrong. In addition to being smaller and thinner, the PS2 slimline added a built in Ethernet port, REMOVED the 3.5" HDD expansion bay (which meant you could no longer play FFXI, right?), and made the power supply external like the GC.

We all know what MS are doing with the Elite,it is considered to be "shafting" the current owners of the 360. Adding HDMI,a bigger HDD,and raising the price is not a redesign.It is milkage.

It's just another option. Milkage would be if they scrapped the premium all together and the only package out there was this Elite model. HDMI is not needed at all for games, the 20gig HDD only fills up if you keep all your demos and download a bunch of movies all at once, and the price is only $80 more. All of these are strictly optional.
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#159 latinrage69
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[QUOTE="latinrage69"]

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="latinrage69"]no but i can shoot the messenger for making up his own reasons that are not in the message itselfDualshockin

Lemmings sure do love guns.

not as much as we love explosions. :D

I know what you mean lol

 

where are the explosions, again? 

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#160 asmallchild
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[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="buuzer0"] Since when does "redesign" strictly mean "only cosmetic" changes (meaning only the look/size of the product is affected, not features)? Cars are "redesigned" each year, with new features being removed or added, even though its the same model. And I seem to recall the PS2 slimline was not strictly a "cosmetic" update, but correct me if I'm wrong. In addition to being smaller and thinner, the PS2 slimline added a built in Ethernet port, REMOVED the 3.5" HDD expansion bay (which meant you could no longer play FFXI, right?), and made the power supply external like the GC.

We all know what MS are doing with the Elite,it is considered to be "shafting" the current owners of the 360. Adding HDMI,a bigger HDD,and raising the price is not a redesign.It is milkage.

In a way, I'd have to agree. Doesn't mean I won't fall for the ploy (I plan on buying it still and returning my old 360) But it would have been nicer if they had done this earlier and not waited until 2 years later to release a newer, better model.
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#162 Radeon_X1950XTX
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Ouch,it's now official that the 360 was rushed.Dualshockin
just like the ps2?(slimline) wow dualshockin everytime i see your post i wanna throw you into fire
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#163 Radeon_X1950XTX
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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

[QUOTE="deadmeat59"]lemmings got owned by there own company ouch . big time to! this is just a gimick to get more sales to o well.Dualshockin

How so? I am not required to buy this new model. Its like the Slim-line PS2, or even the PSOne. Thats not ownage, that is a re-design.

A redesign is a cosmetic change,this is not a redesign,Microsoft are adding HDMI and a bigger harddisk.

and slimeline adds free Ethernet port original ps2 you had to buy a seperate add on owned again oh and you not smart
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#164 Mikazukinoyaiba
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Let's end the stupid arguement of who's 12 and who isn't. As if it actually matters, both of you know how old you actually are and what the truth is.
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#165 Bear-Max
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lemmings got owned by there own company ouch . big time to! this is just a gimick to get more sales to o well.deadmeat59
It worked for the DS :)
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#166 ChiChiMonKilla
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Let's end the stupid arguement of who's 12 and who isn't. As if it actually matters, both of you know how old you actually are and what the truth is.Mikazukinoyaiba

I'm sorry about that and have edited my post to reflect that. I knew he was a little kid but he was so funny I could not help myself and got a little carried away. 

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[QUOTE="Mikazukinoyaiba"]Let's end the stupid arguement of who's 12 and who isn't. As if it actually matters, both of you know how old you actually are and what the truth is.ChiChiMonKilla

I'm sorry about that and have edited my post to reflect that. I knew he was a little kid but he was so funny I could not help myself and got a little carried away.

 

actually i'm 21. my birth date is march 3, 1986. you didn't get carried away, you got owned and got defencive about it. 

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#169 elementz28
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i wonder how many lemmigns are goin to be trading  in their old 360 for the new one or thinkin about fooling someone into buyin it off from them.lol..
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#170 l1mIt
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:lol: MILKAGE!

leave it up to M$ to milk customer... who looks bad now for thier over priced console? it aint sony

not even sony would pull a stupid move like this and re-release a better PS3, and charge MORE for it :lol: 

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#171 rappid_rabbit
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Well they did release an inferior PS3 in the EU and.....well they did charge more for for it..
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#172 Paul_TheGreat
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Rip-off complete
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#173 buuzer0
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:lol: MILKAGE!

leave it up to M$ to milk customer... who looks bad now for thier over priced console? it aint sony

not even sony would pull a stupid move like this and re-release a better PS3, and charge MORE for it :lol: 

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How is it milkage when the Premium will still cost the same and when no one is being forced to buy the Elite package? Self Ownage complete.
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#174 asmallchild
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Well they did release an inferior PS3 in the EU and.....well they did charge more for for it..rappid_rabbit
I guess I'm glad I'm not European then.
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#175 ChiChiMonKilla
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:lol: MILKAGE!

leave it up to M$ to milk customer... who looks bad now for thier over priced console? it aint sony

not even sony would pull a stupid move like this and re-release a better PS3, and charge MORE for it :lol:

l1mIt

You know the ps3 cost $600 but you pay one price for everything and move on but the 360

1. $400

2. $100 for wi-fi

Now ms is try to sell the 120 gig for $199 jus t use the 720p videos it knew would fill up the 20 gig you already have = $700 !!

You can add another $200 if you want a hd-dvd player = $900 outch !!

With the ps3 yo can swap out the 60 gig with any serial 2.5 drive for even more space for alot less than what ms is currently selling the 20 gig for $99 !!

Also with the ps3 you get hdmi as standard but with the 360 you must buy the new model so when the new hd-dvd movies enforce the flag blocking digital 720p on analog cables or you will only get 480p. Ms is really milking people but some people see the ps3 as more expensive here ??

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#176 FrenziedRaldo24
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"And according to our sources close to Microsoft, the normal Pro and Core Xbox360 SKUs will also get a HDMI port in ~June 2007."

Early Adopters = Owned X2

And the Elite - Still no Built In Wifi, still no included rechargeable batteries, no built in HD-DVD Drive....Laughable

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[QUOTE="deadmeat59"]lemmings got owned by there own company ouch . big time to! this is just a gimick to get more sales to o well.SpruceCaboose

How so? I am not required to buy this new model. Its like the Slim-line PS2, or even the PSOne. Thats not ownage, that is a re-design.

i wouldnt exactly say its a redesign, the slimline ps2 is a redesign, the GBA SP is one, and so is the lite...this..this is an upgrade, 6x bigger HDD and an added component(HDMi) what if i want to get a large 1080p set in the future? well then again my question should be, is HDMi better than VGA? if it is then that kinda sucks cuz i cant use HDMI. 

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"And according to our sources close to Microsoft, the normal Pro and Core Xbox360 SKUs will also get a HDMI port in ~June 2007."

Early Adopters = Owned X2

And the Elite - Still no Built In Wifi, still no included rechargeable batteries, no built in HD-DVD Drive....Laughable

FrenziedRaldo24

 

i dislike wifi, id prefer hardlined net to wifi anyday, why should they risk including a built in HD-DVD drive, at its current standing its got a high risk of failure.

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#179 asmallchild
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"And according to our sources close to Microsoft, the normal Pro and Core Xbox360 SKUs will also get a HDMI port in ~June 2007."

Early Adopters = Owned X2

And the Elite - Still no Built In Wifi, still no included rechargeable batteries, no built in HD-DVD Drive....Laughable

FrenziedRaldo24
To add all those things in, they'd have to increase the price even more. And I don't think the early adopters of the system are too pleased with the added hardware features and $80 price increase already.
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"And according to our sources close to Microsoft, the normal Pro and Core Xbox360 SKUs will also get a HDMI port in ~June 2007."

Early Adopters = Owned X2

And the Elite - Still no Built In Wifi, still no included rechargeable batteries, no built in HD-DVD Drive....Laughable

FrenziedRaldo24

But it came out 1st (360) and they could care less about people like me who bought the premium on day one and all the others affected by this. That is why I will stick with sony and the ps3 because I know what I am getting. The ps1 and 2 served me well for years and even when the ps2 came out the ps1 still got AAA games. Also the ps2 was backward compatible so I could still keep my existing ps1 library. Ms killed off the xbox basically forcing us to buy a 360 with crappy backward compatibility or be stuck with a dead system after it launched last and was the most powerful. 

If this does not open peoples eyes here I don't know what will. Who know what's next a 360 with hd-dvd as standard and wi-fi ??

Seems like ms is trying to turn the 360 into a ps3 after the fact to me but I know I won't be buying anymore hardware from ms.  

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#181 newportdadde
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Does this mean that inorder to get the new core processor you have to get this new version?
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[QUOTE="FrenziedRaldo24"]

"And according to our sources close to Microsoft, the normal Pro and Core Xbox360 SKUs will also get a HDMI port in ~June 2007."

Early Adopters = Owned X2

And the Elite - Still no Built In Wifi, still no included rechargeable batteries, no built in HD-DVD Drive....Laughable

ChiChiMonKilla

But it came out 1st (360) and they could care less about people like me who bought the premium on day one and all the others affected by this. That is why I will stick with sony and the ps3 because I know what I am getting. The ps1 and 2 served me well for years and even when the ps2 came out the ps1 still got AAA games. Also the ps2 was backward compatible so I could still keep my existing ps1 library. Ms killed off the xbox basically forcing us to buy a 360 with crappy backward compatibility or be stuck with a dead system after it launched last and was the most powerful. 

If this does not open peoples eyes here I don't know what will. Who know what's next a 360 with hd-dvd as standard and wi-fi ??

Seems like ms is trying to turn the 360 into a ps3 after the fact to me but I know I won't be buying anymore hardware from ms.  

Nobody cares if you do or don't buy anymore MS hardware, you already bought one 360.
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#183 asmallchild
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[QUOTE="FrenziedRaldo24"]

"And according to our sources close to Microsoft, the normal Pro and Core Xbox360 SKUs will also get a HDMI port in ~June 2007."

Early Adopters = Owned X2

And the Elite - Still no Built In Wifi, still no included rechargeable batteries, no built in HD-DVD Drive....Laughable

ChiChiMonKilla

But it came out 1st (360) and they could care less about people like me who bought the premium on day one and all the others affected by this. That is why I will stick with sony and the ps3 because I know what I am getting. The ps1 and 2 served me well for years and even when the ps2 came out the ps1 still got AAA games. Also the ps2 was backward compatible so I could still keep my existing ps1 library. Ms killed off the xbox basically forcing us to buy a 360 with crappy backward compatibility or be stuck with a dead system after it launched last and was the most powerful.

If this does not open peoples eyes here I don't know what will. Who know what's next a 360 with hd-dvd as standard and wi-fi ??

Seems like ms is trying to turn the 360 into a ps3 after the fact to me but I know I won't be buying anymore hardware from ms.

I think there may be more than a few early adopters who feel this way about Microsoft.
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#184 ChiChiMonKilla
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[QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"][QUOTE="FrenziedRaldo24"]

"And according to our sources close to Microsoft, the normal Pro and Core Xbox360 SKUs will also get a HDMI port in ~June 2007."

Early Adopters = Owned X2

And the Elite - Still no Built In Wifi, still no included rechargeable batteries, no built in HD-DVD Drive....Laughable

Bgrngod

But it came out 1st (360) and they could care less about people like me who bought the premium on day one and all the others affected by this. That is why I will stick with sony and the ps3 because I know what I am getting. The ps1 and 2 served me well for years and even when the ps2 came out the ps1 still got AAA games. Also the ps2 was backward compatible so I could still keep my existing ps1 library. Ms killed off the xbox basically forcing us to buy a 360 with crappy backward compatibility or be stuck with a dead system after it launched last and was the most powerful.

If this does not open peoples eyes here I don't know what will. Who know what's next a 360 with hd-dvd as standard and wi-fi ??

Seems like ms is trying to turn the 360 into a ps3 after the fact to me but I know I won't be buying anymore hardware from ms.

Nobody cares if you do or don't buy anymore MS hardware, you already bought one 360.

That's my point ms don't care they think the 360 is a pc and are selling upgrades later at a premium. It's clear that the 20 gig can't handle 720p video V for vendetta is over 6 gigs in size alone (you can see the size of the video in the marketplace).

So basically you have a high def video service that you can't really use effectively and ms says hey but now you can buy a 120 gig for only $199 !!

They also sell a hd-dvd player for $200 but when the new movies turn on the flag limiting the output of movies to 480i over analog cables it forces you to buy the new and improved 360 with hdmi standard for only $480. 

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#185 watchcity
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MS trying to play catch up with the PS3. Sorry Lemmings, but there's no denying that.
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#186 Bgrngod
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[QUOTE="Bgrngod"][QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"][QUOTE="FrenziedRaldo24"]

"And according to our sources close to Microsoft, the normal Pro and Core Xbox360 SKUs will also get a HDMI port in ~June 2007."

Early Adopters = Owned X2

And the Elite - Still no Built In Wifi, still no included rechargeable batteries, no built in HD-DVD Drive....Laughable

ChiChiMonKilla

But it came out 1st (360) and they could care less about people like me who bought the premium on day one and all the others affected by this. That is why I will stick with sony and the ps3 because I know what I am getting. The ps1 and 2 served me well for years and even when the ps2 came out the ps1 still got AAA games. Also the ps2 was backward compatible so I could still keep my existing ps1 library. Ms killed off the xbox basically forcing us to buy a 360 with crappy backward compatibility or be stuck with a dead system after it launched last and was the most powerful.

If this does not open peoples eyes here I don't know what will. Who know what's next a 360 with hd-dvd as standard and wi-fi ??

Seems like ms is trying to turn the 360 into a ps3 after the fact to me but I know I won't be buying anymore hardware from ms.

Nobody cares if you do or don't buy anymore MS hardware, you already bought one 360.

That's my point ms don't care they think the 360 is a pc and are selling upgrades later at a premium. It's clear that the 20 gig can't handle 720p video V for vendetta is over 6 gigs in size alone (you can see the size of the video in the marketplace).

So basically you have a high def video service that you can't really use effectively and ms says hey but now you can buy a 120 gig for only $199 !!

They also sell a hd-dvd player for $200 but when the new movies turn on the flag limiting the output of movies to 480i over analog cables it forces you to buy the new and improved 360 with hdmi standard for only $480. 

Wait a second... are you telling me that a 6gig file can't fit onto a 20gig HD? Explain that math to me. The videos that you download don't STAY on the HD. They are deleted after a week or within 24 hours of first hitting play. That HD space comes and goes with each video downloaded or deleted. What I don't understand is why anyone thinks a 120gig is necessary. That's HUGE. I have yet to have any space issues on my 20gig, why the heck would I need a 120gig?.