Xbox Head Phil Spencer Says Most People Don’t Care About 60FPS

30 fps is fine.......10 years ago.

I much rather have 60fps than 4k resolution everytime.

Phil Spencer is full of shit.

Microsofts goal was to run games at 4K much more consistently than the PS4 Pro could.

Basically resolution was the first thing on their minds while developing the XoneX, because of all the media backlash of PS4 having higher resolutions in multiplats than Xbox one since the very beginning when both consoles launched.

If Microsoft was to include a Beast CPU to make sure that all games run at 60FPS and 4K, the console would cost ATLEAST another $100. Unless they'd be willing to take a MASSIVE loss financially to get more consoles to consumers. But that would just piss off Microsoft investors yet again.

He's probably right, most people don't care but they would if they had the opportunity to experience it more. You can almost guarantee that if titles such as Uncharted or Horizon targeted 60FPS, console gamers would be sold instantly on the improvements it brings, demanding it across the board.

I believe when it makes sense MS 1st party will target 4K 60fps like FM7 but some genres really only need a rock solid 30 fps so no need to target 60 fps.

That said, on your other point of pricing, X1X at $499.99 is selling it at about cost so yeah, $599.99 - $699.99 would really be a bit more than most are willing to spend so I think they are delivering precisely the right bang for the buck right now...

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/e3-2017-microsoft-isnt-making-money-on-the-500-xbo/1100-6450952/

I care, I'll take 60FPS above resolution (within reason) any day.

But I can understand why they don't, you can't show off frame rate in a screenshot.

There is no defending this. What Phil said was funny.

I see all of this nonsense about FPS and resolution etc stemming from toxic PC gamers and they are ever so present in this thread perpetuating the nonsense that keeps this moving target going.

Show us where people don't care about fps?

After having a good decent gaming PC for once, below 30fps drives me nuts. Both Xbone and PS4 have some embarrassingly low fps games. I wonder how people can deal with the stutter sometimes.

FPS > resolution any day. But thanks to marketing, people only care about the resolution, regardless of how garbage the FPS is.

Phil is right. People don't care about 60fps. It's just the Internet minority on here that are obsessed with frame rate and graphics.

He's correct, especially after all of the 1080p vs 900p talk here.

It's objectively not nonsense. The human eye easily notices 30 to 60 fps. It is extremely noticable in MP games. Going from 60 fps for years back to 30 fps is literally jarring.

Stating facts is not toxic.

You're only saying otherwise because the system you are a fan of is not delivering in this facet. AKA it's a pile of shit, so you're deflecting.

What an ignorant thing to say.

Phil Spencer has to be careful to not piss off investors that can influence the shut down the Xbox division.

Why not you spec a better box for $499 which includes assembly labor cost?

You only don't care about something this important when you know for a fact you ain't getting it.

The only fool who doesn't get is you. Thanks for converting this topic into a personalty war. I'll take you on.

In many games, a steady 30 fps is okay. But, +60 fps is even better. Once I play games which have many high speed sequences like driving in GTA V or flying a jet fighter at tree top heights, high framerates (+60 fps) become mandatory.

I think framerate has always been up to the developers when it comes to consoles...they know how limited these boxes are..

I think 60fps is not obligatory in some genres. Cinematic games like Life is Strange or walking sims like SOMA/RE7/Outlast and the like dont really need 60fps because their pacing is slow for the most part. Now when it comes to FPS, fighters or Hack'n'Slash, thats were I find it to be obligatory

@Zero_epyon:

60 fps is awesome but not make or break deal to me.

You heard it folks. The man selling the ultimate gaming console says you don't care for 60fps.

i'm an xbox fan and I have to call bs to phil there is a reason Halo made the jump from 30 to 60fps he knows this means a lot the gameplay in this last halo was amazing and he knows fps was a big deal every interview 343 had they said how they went with the scaling res. to make sure the game was locked at 60fps come on they overhaul the rendering just to get the engine up to 60fps cause 343 felt it was that important he was better off saying devs can do whatever they like with the power of the system

Upgrading your PC is cheaper than the total cost of buying a completely new XB model every 3 years, 3 years of XBL, and more expensive games.

But yes, Xbox 1x is cheaper than building a brand new pc from scratch initially for someone who has never PC gamed before. Over time, however, PC ends up cheaper due to the above reasons. But If you are already a core PC gamer, it is also not much more expensive (if not cheaper depending on how many games you buy) to stick with PC than go the XB route. And you get the benefit of 60 fps and a far superior library.

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#c=391&sort=price

GTX 1070's price has climbed past $400 USD.

The gap between XBO and X1X is 4 years.

Playing forza horizon 3 on pc and the 4k 60fps is pretty sweet.

Exactly. Upgrading is still cheaper or close to a 4 year XB cycle.

New XB unit + 4 years of XBL = $700. That's already about equal to PC upgrade cycles of a rig that runs games better. Then additional costs depend on how many games you buy compared to how much cheaper they are on PC on average. Unless you buy very very few games, the price ends up roughly similiar. If you buy a lot of games, PC ends up cheaper.

Only PC is still running games better and double the aaa/aa library. Nice.

There's about ~36 million XBO owners from ~84 million Xbox 360 owners.

Both XBO S and X1X doubles as a 4K blu-ray player. To play 4K Netflix and 4K blu-ray video content, Intel Kabylake is required while X1X can play both 4K Netflix and 4K blu-ray videos.

https://www.gamesdeal.com/xbox-360-live-gold-membership-12-month-card.html

$45.83 x 4 years = $183.32 for 4 years.

X1X: $499 including XBO controller and 4K blu-ray player.

Total: $682.32

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Anyone that swears by frame rate should just leave the console market and get a gaming PC.

@oflow:

You do know that KZ:SF, TLoU, UC4, and SF5 ran at 60 frames in MP don't you?