Xbox lost NPD, E3 up for grabs.

No ti wouldn't, people who say head start ignore that much of the headstart was gone in the PS3 first year and then some, and they also ignore the Wii.

The 360 was going to win even if the PS3 launched at the same time, because the PS3's launch was never going to change. In fact, the PS3 may have ended up a worse consoles if the 360 didn't launch first.

The wii screwed the PS3 over, and the 360 would have had a game and development advantage than the PS3, only difference is the Xbox 360 may not have passed the Wii in the U.S. like it did last year,

Nope.

Sony has not gained any real lead over the Xbox One with a significant gap in the U.S. because it's not actually possible. Sony is and will continue to struggle to do so untilt he Xbox One passes the PS4. There is no pickle unless it's on Sony's side, XBox One has constantly been stable and increasing yoy and on a weekly range, while for almost over a year now the PS4 has been dropping like a rock outside 2 months of exception. Therefore, you can only contribute the PS4's only sales lead to it's front loaded launch months,.

Another issues is that NA is still the biggest market, and developers are still selling for the U.S. in software. Look at Destiny, a big success, sold a very solid number outside the U.S. and UK as well, Sony branded. If not mistaken outside the US, Destiny sold more or near the same everywhere else. Yet the Xbox One LTD is less than what, 250k off? Where are those sales coming from? U.S.

This goes into your other nonsense point of U.S. developers dropping Xbox, why would they do that in the biggest software market, where there's barely a gap between the two? How does your logic even begin to make sense? E3 isn't even a do or die, they could fail and the whole conference could be Kinect games releasing in 2016, everything and still win this holiday because of Multiplats, and the exclusives they are coming out with this year.

You're whole post is delusional and ignores the reality, Xbox one is rising, PS4 is falling, in the strongest market, with a lot of it's software coming from there and making up some worldwide gaps in software, with PS4 never gaining real lead yet people keep pretending that the Xbox brand is tarnished and the PS4 is more desirable, yet there is less than a 700k gap, and weekly and yearly trends keep moving forward.

When the Xbox One inevitably wins this month, and also the PS4 takes longer or never reaches the gap from last year, you'll see how nonsense your statement is unless of course you ignore those software that sells tons WW, yet the gap is small or is under the Xbox One, where most software comes from one place.

One other thing, Winning the U.S. is very important, Xbox 360 would have sold less than 42 or so million units without it, it would be a DISTANCE 3rd place without it, remove U.S. from PS3, the PS3 would still be 60 or so million. Wii? Same.

And again, look at software sales gaps, which are still being close or passing, because of the market that apparently you believe will not make much more software for the system>? lol ok.

Xbox One last month won due to 12 numerous advantages in Xbox One favor. Now not only will May be won due to new and similar advantages, but also June E3, which will feature games games, and games, and useful surprises. The double Wammy is in effect due to NPD releasing once the MS/Sony/Nintendo E3's are over.

This month Xbox One will win May NPD (releases June 16th (possibility they will move early to 14th if like 2 years ago) because:

1. Xbox Won april due to increased full month exposure to Halo MCC bundle after releasing at the end of march. This will be another full month of the bundle which is newere than the TLOU bundle of the PS4, and the ACU bundle, which both are losing their grip.

2. Halo MCC as of today, as a new White Bundle available online and in stores, which is already selling out. Some stores have yet to make them available, all retailers carrying it, or most if new ones sign on, should be stocked up by the end of this week.

3. A lot of the PS4's sales were front-loaded in the U.S., the PS4 was bumped by misinformation, branding issues, a few backlashed strategies on the Xbox One field, and a lot of promises not fullfilled. Deception. The PS4 has been gradually going down yoy, since LAST june excluding the month of Destiny. While the Xbox One has been increasing or staying steady, that's right, for the last year. The PS4 is losing all momentum and it's still doing nothing to fix it. I will however hold off on some of this until after E3.

Other evidence of the above is the fact Xbox One always increases or stays steady, and has always sold very very well, but the PS4 not being a compelling product more so every other day , it's obvious why the Xbox One is now becoming standard in U.S. and has also been increasing in other ares, of course no where near the increase in US.

4. Xbox One games seem to have more longevity, they chart more frequently and have good WOM, higher replay value, and that is starting to be a reason why the tide is turning. A lot of PS4 games are either one and done, or people usually don't frequently play, a good amount don't finish, while there are exceptions, the former take up the most percentage. Xbox One games all have legs. This gives people more incentive to buy Xbox.

5. Amazon with PS4 deals, Final Fantasy X remaster, Batman being back in stock, Price Cuts for The Order, Bloodborne, and MLb, and higher orders for The Witcher standard and other editions, and continued bias for Mortal Kombat X, has been losing to the Xbox One most of the month.

There were a few times that PS4 got a boost on Amazon, however that Boost has gone back to the levels before and falling. It's basically over. Xbox One will continue to rise, Halo MCC also is rising back, and the White Halo Bundle, which will be available soon, will triple the chances.

E3 will also be a win.

1. Sony has hurt severely their own hype outside a few forums having people still waiting for nonsense that may or may not show up, and at this point the general Casual COnsumer willc are less, especially considering the Xbox conference is being hyped to Kingdom come.

2. Announcing an NPD win during E3 or after the conference will be a big help, media will spin it, and the rest will be on auto-pilot.

3. The PS4 games will likely not release this year outside the games we know, so even if partial hype games are announced, Xbox One will still have more games for 2015 unless Sony throws multiple-surprises. Expect release dates of 2 unconfirmed games this year, before and during the "4 month" MS holiday season.

4. MS will announce a 1 TB Sku. If they release it, they can lower the price of the regular 50GB model to $299. Sony will most likely not have a similar plan given Batman Pre-orders, and a few other things they have listed, it is possible they may do a price drop out of desperation, but something tells me they will ride WW until say September, or October (or announce it at gamescom despite not having a conference since they are still there. Giving way too much hyype and time to XBox.

This just proved my point. The PS3 sold at a faster rate than the Xbox 360, despite the 360 already having a big lead. At the same rate launched together, the PS3 would have outsold the 360 by a decent margin. I don't ignore the wii, it won the gen in terms of sales. But it didn't consistently win US either. Again, US does not determine who wins.

My point is, and has been, that this E3 will either make or break the XBone. Sony is unquestionably in a position of strength. Comparing XBones YoY sales when they have already had two or three years worth or price cutting and bundling is a complete non-sequitur. Comparing PS4s sales when it has been beating the Xbone consistently AND still has the market advantage is just plain stupid. I'm not holding my tongue on this, because I think the big picture is lost on you and you are trying to argue semantics and talking points against it.

As far as any software sales gap. Like I mentioned in the very post you quoted, Publishers and developers operate in terms of global sales growth and that is without a doubt the XBone's Achilles heel in relation to bargaining for third party exclusives. These same third party exclusives, I would like to point out, that MADE the 360 a force to reckon with last generation. A point that underlies my entire post.

Look. Consoles aren't like cars. You can't look at a spec sheet and see who the winner is or by how much they will win. When the Xbone first launched, as in initially, it looked like it would be fine. By the time it's first February rolled around, a completely different picture took form. Titanfall sold so badly that EA scrambled to put MS at the bargaining table to retain an IP they felt they could do more with. More time passed, and the XBone had to change fundamentally as a platform in order to resemble a product that met the designated consumer they wanted to target. More time passed, and the fucking thing had to go YOLO with a drastic price cut and aggressive bundle to target that market.

Yet again, we're more or less in the same place with the XBone that it was right after its initial launch. You can let a 12k unit victory blind you to this, or you can go back and read your rebuttal and realize that you just compared your precious XBone to a PS4 that is losing YoY sales (which it is). Are you just taking it for granted that Sony will not make any course corrections from this point or are you so heavily invested with the Halo 5 launch that you forget that MS is already tickling the Halo audiences balls with not one but two MCC bundles including a LE SKU?

So. I reiterate. If MS can deliver on their moneyhat magic tricks that you and every other XBox fan (including myself once upon a time) have been saying they could always do since 2001, then things could look interesting for Gen 8 after all. It will take some time for whatever they've cooked up to deliver on the kind of craziness you have cooked up, but the possibility is there. However. If they are just dumping money into a bunch of no-name untested startup first-party studios to collectively leverage their IP they've been sitting on, that's not a big victory. 343i has shit all over the golden goose known as Halo up to this point and announcing a management directive isn't going to make a splash at a consumer event like E3. Tread lightly, my lemming friend. Sony is perched on a high mountain right now. When it comes to third party relations, the thunder is all theirs. Don't get it twisted.

No it wouldn't because the 2 years the 360 outsold it WW would have still happened, and the gain still would have been slow because of, wait for it, U.S. sales.

You do realize you are claiming to conflicting points.

"people who say head start ignore that much of the headstart was gone in the PS3 first year and then some"

"No it wouldn't because the 2 years the 360 outsold it WW would have still happened"

So you are saying that the PS3, a year after release and about $200 more expensive, sold more than a years worth of 360 and more of PS3's but if they would have released together, the 360 would have sold at a faster rate? Come on man, the year head start made a difference. There's no reason to believe the PS3 would have performed any different just because of a year difference. It would have sold at the same rate and it would have gone to outsell the 360. It's common sense man. the 360 and the PS3 are near tied right now. The 360 has been on the market longer. If the PS3 didn't sell at a faster rate WW, how are they so close?

You get very simple things like "headstart" and "2 years" mixed up.

The headstart isn't a thing, the 360 still would have outsold the PS3 the 2 years it did worldwide with no change since everything would be exactly the same outside the one year launch. In fact, it may have been better for the 360 as you get launch games and Gears etc. in the same year and Halo coming out sooner, but excluding that, it will end up exactly the same. The 360 will have those same two years where it outsells the PS3 ww. Especially in the U.S., where it will also outsell it for another 4 years in a row.

The reason why the PS3 and 360 are close is because of U.S. sales. That's literally it. There's not other reason, and that was my point. It's also the reason for the slow slow, catch up, and why there's still a very small, smallll gap. Again, U.S> is important.

No it's not. E3 isn't going to do anything, they could come in only show Halo get boos and still pass the PS4. The trend for the PS4 is falling and you can't seem to comprehend that. And I'm not basing this one one NPD win, I'm basing it on weekly and monthly sales for the last year as well. In the U.S. Sony is nto in a position of strength, they have screwed up what big huge whole they could have grabbed, hence why they continue to struggle to deliver a death blow in the U.S. They were close before the price cuts, and still are after the price cuts, you look at the price cuts without numbers, numbers are icnreasing for the Xbox One, and has been for awhile and the PS4 has been falling for awhile, NPD's were Sony won like in January, you only look at the winner, not the long-term picture, and that's why your wall of text is nonsense. You are the one arguing semantics, I'm not, and you only think at what you see at an exact moment instead of down the line.

PS4 weekly/Monthly sales compared to last year have been falling at a consistent rate outside 2 months for the last 12 months, while Xbox one has been gaining, this is in weekly, and monthly sales, so tell me, using very simple lgoci, if one keeps falling and one keeps gaing and the gap is lower than 700k what do you think will eventually happen? Nothing?

The 360 got ton of TP exclusives despite only selling really well in two regions, most of that content was when the PS3 was ahead in a lot of areas. Outside of indies, this gen there aren't really that many difference between Released TP Exclusives between the two, and the majority of the ones that are coming to add to the PS3's are games the Xbox One isn't focusing, and liek the 360, will go to PS3, usually Jrpgs or something similar. You ignore proof in front of you, Hardline, Destiny, GTA V, heavily sold world wide, how is the Xbox One's LTD close? U.S., you think U.S. developers won't continue to fully support the consoles where they can make more money domestically? Doesn't make sense. In fact, by thinking that you don't know the difference between domestic profits and international profits in the gaming industry, Domestic profits are more.U.S. wise anyway.

TF didn't sell badly, TF was the best selling new IP at that point, instantly became the best selling Xbox one exclusive game, beat expectations, and sold over 3 million in a short amount of time, and that was during slower months. You are now revising history with nonsense you don't have proof of, and you also ignore TF development was aided by Xbox One and that the making it exclusive was a last second thing.

It's not in the same place, before June, Xbox One started strong and was decreasing weekly and monthly sales. The last 12 months from today Xbox One has been increasing or staying in a flat range this entire time. Ps4 has been falling or staying in a flat range this entire time. Exceptions for both exist. Again, you didn't actually read my post and instantly went back to thinking I'm saying all this because of a 13k win, I'm not, you just are too stubborn and ignorant to look at what's in front of you, and when you see someone put it at your face you'll go and act like they said something else. Corrections have nothing to do with it either, a price cut can cause an increase, but that applies to Xbox one as well and a WHOLE years of a similar pattern of increase and decrease between the two won't be changing much, especially since has been keeping this up and has really done nothing to remedy the situation for up until this point since december.

There's no need for moneyhat magic tricks either, you really can't grasp the actual situation and are also assuming foolishly that MS needs some magic money hats to for 2015? What? You're whole post is nonsense, and fantasy, especially your made up nonsense about TF.

@TigerSuperman As of 2011, the 360 had 25 Million sold in the US. PS3 a year before that, had only 13.5 million. We all know the PS3 rarely, if at all, won NPD for US. So that kind of gap either widened or remained the same. Take a look at Japan though, where the 360 sold 1.6 million as of last year, 2014 while in 2011, the PS3 clocked in at 6.3 million, three years prior. PS3 caught up because of other countries collectively outselling the 360, while losing consistently in the US. You can't just sell well in one territory and then claim victory.

Sources (because that's how you back up a claim):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3#Sales_and_production_costs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_sales

LOL. Okay, well, when TF2 is shown off and has that little PS4 logo at the bottom of the splash for supported platforms, we'll take about made up bullshit.

As for the rest of your post. It's a gross oversimplification of two bodies regardless of the relativity of the subject at hand and that will never lead you to an accurate conclusion. The PS4 is still gaining ground on the XBone. April's lead was swallowed by Marches lead and one can reasonably suspect that Marches lead will swallow up any possible lead made in May and that is assuming there is one at all.

Man, that 12k NPD victory has you jacked, doesn't it?

You haven't disproven my point that the U.S. is important and is the only reason the Xbox one won using the very fact that over half the sales of it are from there, and the fact that the head start would not have mattered because the only thing it would have done was make it so the PS3 was ahead of other countries ahead of time. You can't get something simple like this into your brain and I have no clue why. Yes you can, in the 360's case, sell well in one territory and claim victory with other territries making up some of the flak, it's the only reason why PS3 is third and why it took so long to catch up, same way the original XBox was second, the majority of it's sales were in the U.S. compared to the GC, which sold better overseas.

And whatproof do you need? that ovwer half the XBox 360 sales are in the U.S.? The Xbox 360 passed the Wii in the U.S. and you already know this because you were in the thread. The rest is simple match, estimating both0t he 360 and PS3 are around 88-90 million shipped no matter how you slice it, the 360 is over half the sales. Yes that one country mattered, just like the Original Xbox, and even right now.

@FoxbatAlpha: A lem supporting a inaccurate assessment so that he can continue to believe the Xbox One is better?

Shocking~

Anyway, at the end of this week only 2 weeks and 2 days till E3. Also NPD either before or after it.

http://www.gamestop.com/browse?nav=28-xu0,1343

Best selling GS sku for the last week till now has been White bundle, looks like, for those who care, the bundle will probably be a more regular thing, although they may stop at some point. Amazon, GS, BB are getting a lot more stock, and Walmart/Target/etc. are looking at a 1st of June release.

i feel incredibly sorry for OPs parents

The planets will align and no systems have any big games coming out. Those facts combined with the NBA finals coming up in a little over a week as well as the presidential campaigns starting are all obvious reasons that X1 will outsell PS4 by a million in this NPD alone. Sony is doomed.

And yet:

http://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-video-games/zgbs/videogames/ref=zg_bs_nav_0#1

You forgot the part where a full moon in July will transform the Xbox One into a wereconsole and beast its way past the PS4 in performance.

The planets will align and no systems have any big games coming out. Those facts combined with the NBA finals coming up in a little over a week as well as the presidential campaigns starting are all obvious reasons that X1 will outsell PS4 by a million in this NPD alone. Sony is doomed.

no xbox will ousell ps4 by 10 million because halloween is on a saturday this year lol

I never said anything about it not going multiplat learn to read. You made up the whole situation without considering how the exclusivity happened. Which helps further my point you're whole opinion on the matter isn't really an opinion so much as nonsense in imagination land.

There's no gross over simplification, you are literally not thinking long-term and you will see very soon that you are wrong and we will come back to this thread. You're swallowing analogy doesn't even make SENSE, because your omitting a whole bunch of things.

And again you once again never actually read what I posted because I said NOTHING about the May NPD win in this conversation, NOTHING and that also shows you are desperate to find a way out of the hole you dug yourself in using illogical fantasies that don't exist, and why you didn't respond to any other part of my post. Because you literally have nothing, so now you not only change words I never said, you ignore a part of my post and act like it's not there.

Sad.

@Shewgenja: In fairness, we're talking about EA here.. when was the last single-platform EA exclusive?.. everyone knew Titanfall, Garden Warfare, and etc were going to eventually move to more platforms, regardless of the sales..

And yet:

http://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-video-games/zgbs/videogames/ref=zg_bs_nav_0#1

Of course you wouldn't bring up March NPD in this conversation because it proves your premise WRONG. And heaven help me if you actually meant May because *points at thread title*

And before you go off saying I'm talking about made up nonsense. Look at the date. That's right. EIGHT days after the title launched, EA saw the writing on the wall and decided it's biggest 8th gen IP was going nowhere without a Playstation presence. But, by all means, let's continue down this path because I haven't even begun talking about how Garden Warfare magically ended up on PS4 or the plethora of 'exclusives' that bled over to PC after falling flat on XBone sales.

Sad, indeed.

You haven't disproven my point that the U.S. is important and is the only reason the Xbox one won using the very fact that over half the sales of it are from there, and the fact that the head start would not have mattered because the only thing it would have done was make it so the PS3 was ahead of other countries ahead of time. You can't get something simple like this into your brain and I have no clue why. Yes you can, in the 360's case, sell well in one territory and claim victory with other territries making up some of the flak, it's the only reason why PS3 is third and why it took so long to catch up, same way the original XBox was second, the majority of it's sales were in the U.S. compared to the GC, which sold better overseas.

And whatproof do you need? that ovwer half the XBox 360 sales are in the U.S.? The Xbox 360 passed the Wii in the U.S. and you already know this because you were in the thread. The rest is simple match, estimating both0t he 360 and PS3 are around 88-90 million shipped no matter how you slice it, the 360 is over half the sales. Yes that one country mattered, just like the Original Xbox, and even right now.

@TigerSuperman: People are hyped for E3 and yet you bang on and on about NPD . Let me ask you this .

@TigerSuperman: You're hyping one store that has it at the top, but another store, much larger than Gamestop that has it pretty distant from the PS4. That's what it has to do with it.

@TigerSuperman:

People are hyped for E3 and yet you bang on and on about NPD . Let me ask you this .

Again, looks like you don't know how to read, read the thread title and the OP again.

You make a good point. People downplaying a US win when most of the Xbox sales come from there is kind of stupid. You are right in thinking the US market has the most potential for a win in overall sales due to the fact that America consume more than any other place on earth. If America like something, that something is made. I mean OG Xbox was much more successful in the US than the Gamecube and not so much elsewhere, but it was able to overtake the Gamecube as you say by selling like 70% of it's 25 million in the US alone. US is a huge deal, no question.

BUT, it is only an advantage if the US sales are enough for Xbox One to win a month worldwide in the first place, which I don't even think it has done once. And if Xbox does overtake the PS4 in the US, it won't be a huge divide like the PS3 and 360 were. I don't even know if there will be any kind of domination in the US this gen at all in fact. I tend to predict like a 50:50 or 55:45 at most ratio for the two. That just isn't enough for Xbox One to overtake worldwide.

Try using your reading skills on the title and the OP of this thread.

I'm actually not, and the Xbox One is close to the PS4 across all stores and there's no distant anything, unless you are talking about the WHITE BUNDLE THAT IS LIMITED EVERYWHERE OUTSIDE ONLY GS (Which is still limited but not as much) and as of yesterday night AMAZON?

This thread is hilarious, because everyone is outright dismissing the OP's predictions.