Xbox One could outship PS4 3-to-1 this year...link inside

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-07-23-xbox-one-could-outship-ps4-3-to-1-this-year

In other news, pigs fly!

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Change from Xbox One "could" to Xbox One "likely too" .. and I'll agree. :P

The X1 isn't more popular worldwide. It's doubtful that Sony would supply the PS4 too low to resellers to allow it.

It looks like Lems are still up in that Cloud and still haven't come back down to reality. 

bu bu teh amazon bestsellers list :cry:RR360DD

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

Change from Xbox One "could" to Xbox One "likely too" .. and I'll agree. :P

Desmonic

Launching in less countries, less units allocated, possible yield issues, less pre orders than PS4...to have the position of industry analyst must require at least a modicum of intelligence and common sense, no? Firms won't hire some drunk bum they find on the street or a mentally crippled chimpanzee; They would hire a human being with actual cognitive function, wouldn't they? Maybe the world has finally gone fvcking mad. I mean, the Prime Minister of the UK wants to ban internet porn or some shit. That penguin faced fvck really has nothing better to do? Where was I....SDC, thank you Kaz and so on.

The domination has won.

I'm waiting to hear "great news" about XBox One being able to ship to other countries sooner than expected..

[spoiler] Because they mis-gauged demand in the US and Britain [/spoiler]

Read between the lines. The words "ship" and "sell" are very different. Though many companies will use "shipped" numbers as a means by which to judge product success -- which backfired on MS... -_-musicalmac

Well shipped is technically sold. It may not be in the consumers living room but it was sold from MS to the retailer. All retailers are not going to report back to MS and Sony to let them know how many units have been sold to consumers so "shipped" numbers are the closest you can get. I would guess that retailers don't have hundreds of them sitting in their stock rooms so the shipped number is as close to an end user number you will see. cheesie253

[QUOTE="cheesie253"]Well shipped is technically sold. It may not be in the consumers living room but it was sold from MS to the retailer. All retailers are not going to report back to MS and Sony to let them know how many units have been sold to consumers so "shipped" numbers are the closest you can get. I would guess that retailers don't have hundreds of them sitting in their stock rooms so the shipped number is as close to an end user number you will see. musicalmac

Yes it does. It is not sold to the end user but it is sold to the retailer. The write off you are talking about is MS taking a loss on the price cut of the surface and refunding the retailers who are now lowering the prices on the stock they have already PURCHASED from MS as well as MS loss on unsold inventory. When an item is shipped to a retailer it is sold. I don't claim that number is the number of end users because it is not. That number of items shipped is though the number sold to retailers. In the business world when you sell to a retailer that item is sold. What happens at the retail level is not a concern unless that item can be sent back to the manufacturer/wholesaler for a refund and at that time could be used to skew shipped/sold numbers. I deal with this all the time when I have product that is past date or unsold from my distributors. When I buy it from them it is "sold" in their eyes. I now have the responsibility of delivering their product to the public. cheesie253

Launching in less countries, less units allocated, possible yield issues, less pre orders than PS4...to have the position of industry analyst must require at least a modicum of intelligence and common sense, no? Firms won't hire some drunk bum they find on the street or a mentally crippled chimpanzee; They would hire a human being with actual cognitive function, wouldn't they? Maybe the world has finally gone fvcking mad. I mean, the Prime Minister of the UK wants to ban internet porn or some shit. That penguin faced fvck really has nothing better to do? Where was I....SDC, thank you Kaz and so on.

Floppy_Jim

[QUOTE="cheesie253"]Yes it does. It is not sold to the end user but it is sold to the retailer. The write off you are talking about is MS taking a loss on the price cut of the surface and refunding the retailers who are now lowering the prices on the stock they have already PURCHASED from MS as well as MS loss on unsold inventory. When an item is shipped to a retailer it is sold. I don't claim that number is the number of end users because it is not. That number of items shipped is though the number sold to retailers. In the business world when you sell to a retailer that item is sold. What happens at the retail level is not a concern unless that item can be sent back to the manufacturer/wholesaler for a refund and at that time could be used to skew shipped/sold numbers. I deal with this all the time when I have product that is past date or unsold from my distributors. When I buy it from them it is "sold" in their eyes. I now have the responsibility of delivering their product to the public. musicalmac

Launching in less countries, less units allocated, possible yield issues, less pre orders than PS4...to have the position of industry analyst must require at least a modicum of intelligence and common sense, no? Firms won't hire some drunk bum they find on the street or a mentally crippled chimpanzee; They would hire a human being with actual cognitive function, wouldn't they? Maybe the world has finally gone fvcking mad. I mean, the Prime Minister of the UK wants to ban internet porn or some shit. That penguin faced fvck really has nothing better to do? Where was I....SDC, thank you Kaz and so on.

Floppy_Jim

[QUOTE="cheesie253"]Yes it does. It is not sold to the end user but it is sold to the retailer. The write off you are talking about is MS taking a loss on the price cut of the surface and refunding the retailers who are now lowering the prices on the stock they have already PURCHASED from MS as well as MS loss on unsold inventory. When an item is shipped to a retailer it is sold. I don't claim that number is the number of end users because it is not. That number of items shipped is though the number sold to retailers. In the business world when you sell to a retailer that item is sold. What happens at the retail level is not a concern unless that item can be sent back to the manufacturer/wholesaler for a refund and at that time could be used to skew shipped/sold numbers. I deal with this all the time when I have product that is past date or unsold from my distributors. When I buy it from them it is "sold" in their eyes. I now have the responsibility of delivering their product to the public. musicalmac

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="cheesie253"]Yes it does. It is not sold to the end user but it is sold to the retailer. The write off you are talking about is MS taking a loss on the price cut of the surface and refunding the retailers who are now lowering the prices on the stock they have already PURCHASED from MS as well as MS loss on unsold inventory. When an item is shipped to a retailer it is sold. I don't claim that number is the number of end users because it is not. That number of items shipped is though the number sold to retailers. In the business world when you sell to a retailer that item is sold. What happens at the retail level is not a concern unless that item can be sent back to the manufacturer/wholesaler for a refund and at that time could be used to skew shipped/sold numbers. I deal with this all the time when I have product that is past date or unsold from my distributors. When I buy it from them it is "sold" in their eyes. I now have the responsibility of delivering their product to the public. Cranler

That went real well for nintendo, I think their product was flying off shelves for what, two weeks. At some point they will have to buyback units, if they haven't already.

[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]

Launching in less countries, less units allocated, possible yield issues, less pre orders than PS4...to have the position of industry analyst must require at least a modicum of intelligence and common sense, no? Firms won't hire some drunk bum they find on the street or a mentally crippled chimpanzee; They would hire a human being with actual cognitive function, wouldn't they? Maybe the world has finally gone fvcking mad. I mean, the Prime Minister of the UK wants to ban internet porn or some shit. That penguin faced fvck really has nothing better to do? Where was I....SDC, thank you Kaz and so on.

Kaz_Son

And yet cows have spent the last 7 months believing the IDC sales prediction :lol: shut up

[QUOTE="Cranler"]

[QUOTE="musicalmac"] "Shipped" means "sold" to companies who aren't watching their products fly off the shelves. It's a lazy, safe way of talking about product success. If you'll notice, it bit MS in the butt to the tune of nearly a billion dollars.

Shipped is not sold.joehult

That went real well for nintendo, I think their product was flying off shelves for what, two weeks. At some point they will have to buyback units, if they haven't already.

i find that unlikely.

Then once they ship they collect dust until a price drop.

The X1 isn't more popular worldwide. It's doubtful that Sony would supply the PS4 too low to resellers to allow it.

It looks like Lems are still up in that Cloud and still haven't come back down to reality.

clr84651

Proof?

Even if the PS4 sells half of what the X1 sells per country it will still be selling 2-3x more.

US, EU, JP, India > 21 Countries

EU alone has 45-50 countries (5 shared with Asia)

Then once they ship they collect dust until a price drop.

Ghost120x

In other news, pigs fly!

eyebrows

Shipped and not selling.funsohng

shipped is sold.

[QUOTE="funsohng"]Shipped and not selling.CaseyWegner

shipped is sold.

Ah yes...rules of SW: Shipped units=sold units

And quantity=quality         Who could forget those 2 important rules.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="funsohng"]Shipped and not selling.cheesie253

shipped is sold.

it's a common misconception but might also be a matter of perspective. shipping a console is the same as selling it as far as the manufacturer is concerned. some people just look at "sold" as "sold by a retailer to a customer."

Ah yes...rules of SW: Shipped units=sold units

And quantity=quality         Who could forget those 2 important rules.

homeboylizard

only the first one makes sense.

[QUOTE="cheesie253"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

shipped is sold.

CaseyWegner

it's a common misconception but might also be a matter of perspective. shipping a console is the same as selling it as far as the manufacturer is concerned. some people just look at "sold" as "sold by a retailer to a customer."

Read the post, here are a few problems with the analyst in question; he's a terrible analyst. For starters, while the core audience in NA probably could care less, he completely underestimates the value of the $100 price difference. For the casuals, that is a PS4 and a copy of "insert big holiday title here". Launch lineup doesn't really matter when you take into account the actual launch lineup for each console - BF4, Watch_Dogs, AC4, CoD:Ghosts. They'll likely be the titles that move the most units on the new consoles this holiday season, being a $400 system makes the PS4 an easier buy.

Now, something the analyst makes no mention of is how horribly the console is preordering overseas. It's a pretty bad rate, with MS' biggest foothold outside of US soil, the UK, not really reporting strong numbers. The fact that the PS4 numbers are ahead here in the states is reason enough to raise eyebrows at this article, as there isn't a strong data point that corroborates it. It would've been one thing if there were kinect software that helps showcase the new device's capabilities, but that isn't reflective in any of its big E3 software. And without a big Kinect 2 showpiece a la Dance Central, that device will have a hard time making a second splash among 'teh casuals', particularly when it's still called simply 'kinect', implying its equivalent to a product some 25 Million people have been exposed to and purchased.

This is all, of course, not accounting for the fact that there are just going to be fewer Xbox Ones available this holiday season. With the size of the One's chipset, there is no way you garner a big enough yield on its die to have a 8 million or more launch allocation in 8 weeks. If anything, the more telling piece of data of where the two companies are on their production schedules; Sony has submitted the consumer version of the PS4 to the FCC last week, meaning the PS4 may come out as early as October - MS hasn't. Couple that with District Managers for Gamestop coming out and confirming the median preorder allocations for their stores is around 40-50 for PS4, and 10-20 for One, and you have an idea of just where this is going.

Its hilarious to me that Sony fans think that the opinions on forums are going to translate into real world sales. The people who frequent gaming sites are the very small minority. I expect the Xbox One to outsell the PS4 significantly.Miketheman83

[QUOTE="Kaz_Son"][QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]

Launching in less countries, less units allocated, possible yield issues, less pre orders than PS4...to have the position of industry analyst must require at least a modicum of intelligence and common sense, no? Firms won't hire some drunk bum they find on the street or a mentally crippled chimpanzee; They would hire a human being with actual cognitive function, wouldn't they? Maybe the world has finally gone fvcking mad. I mean, the Prime Minister of the UK wants to ban internet porn or some shit. That penguin faced fvck really has nothing better to do? Where was I....SDC, thank you Kaz and so on.

RR360DD

And yet cows have spent the last 7 months believing the IDC sales prediction :lol: shut up

Lems will believe anything when it is something they want to hear.