Xbox One could outship PS4 3-to-1 this year...link inside

Not exclusivity in the sense that mode is ONLY available on the X1 version, but in the sense there will be some features exclusive to it. Whether it's a timed thing or not we don't know. After all, considering Fifa is huge I doubt it'll be some true exclusivity, but I can see some features only being available  on the PS4 one or two months later. Even today EA announced that you could transfer your Ultimate Team data from PS3/X360 to PS4/X1 (meaning you don't have to buy everything again).

 

Desmonic

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

In America, no doubt.

Xbox One will easily win America, PS4 will win Europe and Japan (though Japan might not mean much anymore... I bet the PS4 sells 8 million there max).

musicalmac

I think so... for some reason, Europeans LOVE PlayStation. The PS3 has sold about 26 million in America, and the Xbox 360 has sold about 45 million. In Europe, the PS3 has sold a whopping 32 million to the 360's 25 million.

IIRC, the 360 also had FIFA exclusive for a year or 2, and that STILL didn't help the Xbox 360 against the PS3. The PlayStation juggernaut is just too much... MS can win the UK (or get close) and get a good standing in Europe (25 million ain't bad!), but the PlayStation 4 will sell more.

Is anyone else excited about the upcoming SHIPPED TO RETAILERS vs SOLD TO CONSUMERS battles yet to come? I KNOW I AM.LordOfPoms

For Microsoft and Sony, that doesn't matter much. They aren't going to sell to a bunch of retailers if they aren't going to get sold to consumers. There will always be a gap, but nothing really significant.

[QUOTE="Jakandsigz"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

so no link or anything? just an assumption?

CaseyWegner

it's more of an assumption to assume that they do than to assume that they don't. retailers order the systems and the manufacturer ships them. they don't just send them out and demand payment.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

In America, no doubt.

Xbox One will easily win America, PS4 will win Europe and Japan (though Japan might not mean much anymore... I bet the PS4 sells 8 million there max).

Douevenlift_bro

It'll do fine. Xbox has America on lock.

Xbox has: Titanfall, Halo, Fable, and most people associate American multiplats such as Elder Scrolls, Skyrim, Call of Duty, Fallout etc. etc. with the Xbox.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Jakandsigz"] You should ask yourself that question for assuming they don't. not to mention you need me to link the fact almost all companies try to inflate sales with shiiped numbers? Do i need to really post that google "search for you link" or do I really have to do it for you? You aren't stupid.Jakandsigz

it's more of an assumption to assume that they do than to assume that they don't. retailers order the systems and the manufacturer ships them. they don't just send them out and demand payment.

retailer orders 20 360s and ms sends 25 asking the retailer to pay for the extra 5?

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Jakandsigz"] You should ask yourself that question for assuming they don't. not to mention you need me to link the fact almost all companies try to inflate sales with shiiped numbers? Do i need to really post that google "search for you link" or do I really have to do it for you? You aren't stupid.Jakandsigz

it's more of an assumption to assume that they do than to assume that they don't. retailers order the systems and the manufacturer ships them. they don't just send them out and demand payment.

No, because in most cases, companies can't ship jackshit if no retailer is buying up their manufactured stock.

Launching in less countries, less units allocated, possible yield issues, less pre orders than PS4...to have the position of industry analyst must require at least a modicum of intelligence and common sense, no? Firms won't hire some drunk bum they find on the street or a mentally crippled chimpanzee; They would hire a human being with actual cognitive function, wouldn't they? Maybe the world has finally gone fvcking mad. I mean, the Prime Minister of the UK wants to ban internet porn or some shit. That penguin faced fvck really has nothing better to do? Where was I....SDC, thank you Kaz and so on.

Floppy_Jim

Seriously. If they were say 3-1 in the U.S. then maybe it's be believable.

Not likely. Given that they Sony has already supplied FCC with finalized details, and that Microsoft is apparently still considering changing specs--coupled with an included camera--I doubt Microsoft will be able ship as many units. There's also the issue of reliability, with all that they are trying to accomplish, it's possible we could see more-than-usual failure rates.

Regardless, whatever they do ship will sell out (for Sony to).

This does not mean the console will sell a lot.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

In America, no doubt.

Xbox One will easily win America, PS4 will win Europe and Japan (though Japan might not mean much anymore... I bet the PS4 sells 8 million there max).

musicalmac

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

[QUOTE="musicalmac"] If someone says, "I'm going to Milan" do you assume they're talking about the second largest city in Italy, or the tiny farm town in Illinois?

What good are shipments that don't turn into consumer sales -- the really important statistic? I'll tell you -- a 900 million dollar write down.

It's like the twilight zone in here. CallOfDutyRulez

If shipments didn't end up in the hands of consumers, retailers would stop buying them from the manufacturer. Most sales figures are shipped sales: computers, vg consoles, cars, home appliances, etc.

Not true. Lots of iPhones end up shipping but don't end up going to the customer's hands.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/07/12/links-12-july-verizon-could-owe-apple-14-billion-over-insufficient-iphone-sales/

That is the rare exception. You'd know that if you paid attention to how Apple handles the iPhone. If a carrier wants to carry it, they have to pre-commit to a certain number of iPhones, independent of market demand. Retailers do not have to do that with gaming consoles.

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

Then why is PS4 way ahead in pre-orders in Europe?

Also X1 is more expensive than launch fat PS3 was in U.K. Do you people research before you post? lol.

Douevenlift_bro

And you got this information from... where?

Those sneaky analysts, always up to mischief

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="Desmonic"]

Not exclusivity in the sense that mode is ONLY available on the X1 version, but in the sense there will be some features exclusive to it. Whether it's a timed thing or not we don't know. After all, considering Fifa is huge I doubt it'll be some true exclusivity, but I can see some features only being available  on the PS4 one or two months later. Even today EA announced that you could transfer your Ultimate Team data from PS3/X360 to PS4/X1 (meaning you don't have to buy everything again).

 

Desmonic

Billion dollar investment, more than twice the amount Sony are investing in games

Already we have more XOne 1st party games. More third party DLC deals. And third party games like TitanFall, the game that will dethrone CoD and Sony is missing out. Good time to be an Xbox gamer :cool:

Couldn't read after "Analyst".AcidThunder

[QUOTE="cheesie253"]Yes it does. It is not sold to the end user but it is sold to the retailer. The write off you are talking about is MS taking a loss on the price cut of the surface and refunding the retailers who are now lowering the prices on the stock they have already PURCHASED from MS as well as MS loss on unsold inventory. When an item is shipped to a retailer it is sold. I don't claim that number is the number of end users because it is not. That number of items shipped is though the number sold to retailers. In the business world when you sell to a retailer that item is sold. What happens at the retail level is not a concern unless that item can be sent back to the manufacturer/wholesaler for a refund and at that time could be used to skew shipped/sold numbers. I deal with this all the time when I have product that is past date or unsold from my distributors. When I buy it from them it is "sold" in their eyes. I now have the responsibility of delivering their product to the public. musicalmac

[QUOTE="cheesie253"]Yes it does. It is not sold to the end user but it is sold to the retailer. The write off you are talking about is MS taking a loss on the price cut of the surface and refunding the retailers who are now lowering the prices on the stock they have already PURCHASED from MS as well as MS loss on unsold inventory. When an item is shipped to a retailer it is sold. I don't claim that number is the number of end users because it is not. That number of items shipped is though the number sold to retailers. In the business world when you sell to a retailer that item is sold. What happens at the retail level is not a concern unless that item can be sent back to the manufacturer/wholesaler for a refund and at that time could be used to skew shipped/sold numbers. I deal with this all the time when I have product that is past date or unsold from my distributors. When I buy it from them it is "sold" in their eyes. I now have the responsibility of delivering their product to the public. musicalmac

The Stores buy them. They are not getting them for free. 

[QUOTE="cheesie253"]Well shipped is technically sold. It may not be in the consumers living room but it was sold from MS to the retailer. All retailers are not going to report back to MS and Sony to let them know how many units have been sold to consumers so "shipped" numbers are the closest you can get. I would guess that retailers don't have hundreds of them sitting in their stock rooms so the shipped number is as close to an end user number you will see. musicalmac

I recall when Lemmings were having a field day when Sony announced they "shipped" 77 million consoles. Buh buh its shipped lol doesnt count!

Sony: We shipped X amount of consoles

Lemmings: :lol: shipped =/= sold!!!!

Microsoft: We will ship 30 BILLION X1's

Lemmings: Ah yes :o

Ship and Sell are two completely different words...Netherscourge

And the numbers that companys report are always shipped. No one is going to literally know exactly how many consoles were bought by consumers.

And I could win the lottery tomorrow.

It's quite funny actually, all the ps4 pre-orders sold out so every shop is advertising the xbox one instead :lol: wonder if the average consumer knows a ps4 is even coming

[QUOTE="musicalmac"]Read between the lines. The words "ship" and "sell" are very different. Though many companies will use "shipped" numbers as a means by which to judge product success -- which backfired on MS... -_-cheesie253

I have a hard time believing that the XB1 will outsell the PS4 even in the U.S. . I live in small town America, with only one GameStop for many many miles, the people around here mostly have 360's but when the pre orders began the PS4's sold out fast while you can still pre order an XB1, plus on top of that the guys at GameStop told me that they had three to four times as many PS4's available.

Also I don't know if this has been proven wrong or what but there have been many sites saying that Sony is planning on shipping 16 million PS4's by the end of this year. If that is the case then for the OP's link to be true MS would have to ship between 32-48 million units. I know that 16 million units sounds like a lot but Foxxcon alone has over a million employs so it could be possible, the numbers still do sound ambitious though.

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20130304PD221.html

think Sony and MS ship their consoles for free to retailers? They both get paid when they "ship out" to retailers. It is a sale to them. lol

i dont believe that unless ms produced more xb1's to ship than sony does with ps4. either way, as long as i get my ps4, im fine