Xbox One Dev: GDDR5 Is Uncomfortable To Work With, ESRAM Provides High Bandwidth

So the microsoft defends team is still in full force...

Sony have been praised by several developers for their decision to include of 8GB of GDDR5 RAM in their upcoming next generation console, the PlayStation 4.  The faster memory apparently gives more budget to developers to render out high resolution textures and free up other resources. Microsoft opted for 8GB DDR3 RAM for the Xbox One but according to them the on board ESRAM will provide the right balance of bandwidth and power.

According to Nick Baker, who looks after the Xbox Ones architecture team believes that GDDR5 is uncomfortable to work with and ESRAM gives the Xbox One the right balance for bandwidth and power consumption.

full: http://gamingbolt.com/xbox-one-dev-gddr5-is-uncomfortable-to-work-with-esram-provides-high-bandwidth-at-low-power

So the microsoft defends team is still in full force...

 

Sony have been praised by several developers for their decision to include of 8GB of GDDR5 RAM in their upcoming next generation console, the PlayStation 4.  The faster memory apparently gives more budget to developers to render out high resolution textures and free up other resources. Microsoft opted for 8GB DDR3 RAM for the Xbox One but according to them the on board ESRAM will provide the right balance of bandwidth and power.

According to Nick Baker, who looks after the Xbox Ones architecture team believes that GDDR5 is uncomfortable to work with and ESRAM gives the Xbox One the right balance for bandwidth and power consumption.

full: http://gamingbolt.com/xbox-one-dev-gddr5-is-uncomfortable-to-work-with-esram-provides-high-bandwidth-at-low-power

ramonnl

In their interview with Digital Foundary the Xbox One architect used the word balance 25 times.

Sony wouldnt have spent the extra money on GDDR5 unless it was better.

Probably because Xbox One has DDR3, so it has the best of both worlds. Also the 360 used ESRAM, so dev's are probably used to it. 

I know sod all about games programming, so excuse my ignorance; but surely it would be easier for a game to simply use a single unified piece of RAM, that is of equal speed, than to have to program so that the small ESRam get's prioritised for the right things?

Probably because Xbox One has DDR3, so it has the best of both worlds. Also the 360 used ESRAM, so dev's are probably used to it. 

slipknot0129

Xbox 360 used eDRAM, not eSRAM, quite different, espcially the setup in the Xbox One using eSRAM, they can now swap render targets out from the eSRAM to DDR3 instead of locking render targets all on eDRAM on the Xbox 360, which sounds like it should be a little easier developing on the eSRAM and will provide a big performance boost over eDRAM,but developers are simply gonna have to take a little time getting used to the DME's (Data Move Engines, eSRAM, DDR3 setup) and the architecture of the Xbox One

both consoles are using 100% hardware, thats obvious but doesnt mean your squeezing out 100% efficiency out of them, Sony's design in the PS4 architecture is more straight up and simple and what developers have been used to developing for a little while, im not saying Xbox One architecture is inferior, just more complicated, give both consoles few years and see that efficiency % rise on both 

I guess Nick Baker completly forgot about Sony and Mark Cerny touring all over asking developers what exactly they really wanted lol 

In their interview with Digital Foundary the Xbox One architect used the word balance 25 times.

Sony wouldnt have spent the extra money on GDDR5 unless it was better.

crimsonman1245

So the microsoft defends team is still in full force...

 

Sony have been praised by several developers for their decision to include of 8GB of GDDR5 RAM in their upcoming next generation console, the PlayStation 4.  The faster memory apparently gives more budget to developers to render out high resolution textures and free up other resources. Microsoft opted for 8GB DDR3 RAM for the Xbox One but according to them the on board ESRAM will provide the right balance of bandwidth and power.

According to Nick Baker, who looks after the Xbox Ones architecture team believes that GDDR5 is uncomfortable to work with and ESRAM gives the Xbox One the right balance for bandwidth and power consumption.

full: http://gamingbolt.com/xbox-one-dev-gddr5-is-uncomfortable-to-work-with-esram-provides-high-bandwidth-at-low-power

ramonnl

#ronvstorthread

This thread is gonna be another Robot Ron vs that Spanish PS3 fanboy, whatshisname. Fun times.Floppy_Jim

The bottom line is they both have around the same memory bandwidth. Dev's wont have trouble getting the same memory performance out of both consoles. 

Welcome to 2 weeks ago.  And yes this made sonygaf cry

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In their interview with Digital Foundary the Xbox One architect used the word balance 25 times.

Sony wouldnt have spent the extra money on GDDR5 unless it was better.

slipknot0129

Oh well. The Wii U is very power efficient, 75W or something meager. 

This has really helped the Wii U to be a top seller. Billions shipped last I heard and it was all down to consumers' desire to save electricity. 

now who are u gonna believe...the countless devs that have said its easy to work with...or a first party guy that made the xbone.....stereointegrity

Carmack and kojima ....  sorry brah I dont see it in the games.

This thread is gonna be another Robot Ron vs that Spanish PS3 fanboy, whatshisname. Fun times.Floppy_Jim

[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]This thread is gonna be another Robot Ron vs that Spanish PS3 fanboy, whatshisname. Fun times.DrTrafalgarLaw

The other guy's name is tomatoes. 

In their interview with Digital Foundary the Xbox One architect used the word balance 25 times.

Sony wouldnt have spent the extra money on GDDR5 unless it was better.

crimsonman1245

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]This thread is gonna be another Robot Ron vs that Spanish PS3 fanboy, whatshisname. Fun times.psymon100

The other guy's name is tomatoes. 

lol this is like Vladamir Putin saying American Democracy is uncomfortable to work with.Netherscourge

[QUOTE="stereointegrity"]now who are u gonna believe...the countless devs that have said its easy to work with...or a first party guy that made the xbone.....XBOunity

Carmack and kojima ....  sorry brah I dont see it in the games.

 about Carmack, "He led off by saying that he hadn't done enough head to head benchmarks to make direct comparisons between the consoles.".

And Kojima hasn't said anything either beside the generic multiplat PR of "they are very similar" but he might be talking about architecture. At the end of the day, lem tears will flow.... :cool:

lol this is like Vladamir Putin saying American Democracy is uncomfortable to work with.Netherscourge

now who are u gonna believe...the countless devs that have said its easy to work with...or a first party guy that made the xbone.....stereointegrity

You say countless ... Either you can't count to even a slow as 10, or you're chatting shit.

I can think of maybe 2 devs claiming GDDR is easier than the Xbox's equivalent. A nameless dev

This thread is gonna be another Robot Ron vs that Spanish PS3 fanboy, whatshisname. Fun times.Floppy_Jim

:lol:

[QUOTE="Netherscourge"]lol this is like Vladamir Putin saying American Democracy is uncomfortable to work with.LA-Nighthawk

because Cerny talks about the PS4 while all MS does is try to convince people that their inferior hardware is somehow better than the PS4's. On top of it the PS4 was made entirely through game developers feedback.

The most important thing for games is the GPU and there is no way in which you can spin that a GPU with 12 CUs is more powerful than one with 18 when both even share the same architecture. On top of it, it has been proven time and time again through real life benchmarks that GDDR5 improves performance by a pretty wide margin over DDR3.

PS4 is more powerful, is smaller, is cheaper and there's nothing MS can do about it.

Every programmer I know is disagreeing with Nick right now. 

Every programmer I know is disagreeing with Nick right now. 

Shensolidus

Well. You're the man to provide such insights to SW. 

so 3rd party developers praise ps4 architecture, but xbox devs praise their own architecture, sound legit.

So, it's true. We have come full circle. Microsoft 2013 = Sony 2006.

lol this is like Vladamir Putin saying American Democracy is uncomfortable to work with.Netherscourge

lol, well put.

so 3rd party developers praise ps4 architecture, but xbox devs praise their own architecture, sound legit.

Krelian-co

Yeah pretty much this...what a load of bollocks as if this somehow is neutral statement...:lol:

Welcome to 2 weeks ago.  And yes this made sonygaf cry

XBOunity

[QUOTE="Netherscourge"]lol this is like Vladamir Putin saying American Democracy is uncomfortable to work with.Teufelhuhn

lol, well put.

Rofl. 

nvidia and amd should go back to 128-bit ddr3 according to this MS loyalist moron?:lol:

GDDR5 is uncomfortable to work with? Coming from the man who isn't actively working with it..?

ESRAM is a huge pain in the ass, everyone in the industry is bemoaning it. But w/e, i'll just let the launch games speak for themselves.

GDDR5 is uncomfortable to work with? Coming from the man who isn't actively working with it..?

ESRAM is a huge pain in the ass, everyone in the industry is bemoaning it. But w/e, i'll just let the launch games speak for themselves.

Shensolidus

Classic MS on 2005 was DVd is ok,and now GDDR5 is bad ESRAM is great..Wonder why GPU don't have ESRAM if it is so great..

[QUOTE="Shensolidus"]

GDDR5 is uncomfortable to work with? Coming from the man who isn't actively working with it..?

ESRAM is a huge pain in the ass, everyone in the industry is bemoaning it. But w/e, i'll just let the launch games speak for themselves.

AD216

If thats how you feel, then you have nothing to worry about.

GDDR5 has been on PCs for a long time....if it's hard to work with, you probably just suck or were living udner a rock