Xbox One Dev: GDDR5 Is Uncomfortable To Work With, ESRAM Provides High Bandwidth

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BREAKING: MS worker says competitor product not as good as MS product. More at all, but first, is water wet?
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[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]DDR3 can have lower voltage with DDR3L or DDR3U i.e. it depends on the grade. Similar situation for GDDR5 e.g. laptop GDDR5 vs desktop GDDR5. For desktop PCs, Kingstons HyperX LoVo-series DDR3 memory allows users to reduce voltage to 1.35 V or 1.25 V from the JEDEC's 1.5V to 1.575.tormentos

http://www.samsung.com/us/business/oem-solutions/pdfs/Green-GDDR5.pdf

Facts >>>>>>>>>> Opinions..

My Samsung ATIV Book 8 laptop (with Samsung GDDR5 laptop modules) says Hi.

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BREAKING: MS worker says competitor product not as good as MS product. More at all, but first, is water wet?LordOfPoms
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#154 XBOunity
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[QUOTE="XBOunity"]

 

Well id be worried about that ps4 form factor and hope sony gives confirmation of 20 cu's and 2 disabled for redundancy.   They might never say shit.  I think xbo was made with the rrod fiasco  in mind.   They actively are guarding against it.   So I dont think its excuse, but since sonygaf and you were destroyed fundamentally by goossen and baker in that article, I know why you guys would speculate very hard that they are engineers that msft picked up at a bus stop.  :lol:

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The PS4 has 20CU and 2 disable for redundancy i have been saying that for a long time,is common sence and good practice because chips with 18 CU instead of 20 can be use and are not trow away.

 

Yes until the recent out of no where GPU and CPU upclock,how much stress that would put on the console only god knows.

 

Goosen did not destroyed any one dude,mostly what he is doing is damage controls,now GDDR5 is not good some how...:lol:

 

Link for 20 cus.  What did I tell you about these kind of claims?

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[QUOTE="tormentos"]

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]DDR3 can have lower voltage with DDR3L or DDR3U i.e. it depends on the grade. Similar situation for GDDR5 e.g. laptop GDDR5 vs desktop GDDR5. For desktop PCs, Kingstons HyperX LoVo-series DDR3 memory allows users to reduce voltage to 1.35 V or 1.25 V from the JEDEC's 1.5V to 1.575.ronvalencia

 

http://www.samsung.com/us/business/oem-solutions/pdfs/Green-GDDR5.pdf

 

Facts >>>>>>>>>> Opinions..

My Samsung ATIV Book 8 laptop (with Samsung GDDR5 laptop modules) says Hi.

 

Funny how you have 200 PC from lattop to desktop every time there is an argument you magically bring a new PC you have..:lol:

 

Once again Facts >>>>>>>>>>>> Opinions i posted a link.

GDDR5 has lowe voltage than DDR3 that can be as high as 1.8 vs GDDR5 that can be as low as 1.0 V.

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#158 XBOunity
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[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

 

http://www.samsung.com/us/business/oem-solutions/pdfs/Green-GDDR5.pdf

 

Facts >>>>>>>>>> Opinions..

tormentos

My Samsung ATIV Book 8 laptop (with Samsung GDDR5 laptop modules) says Hi.

 

Funny how you have 200 PC from lattop to desktop every time there is an argument you magically bring a new PC you have..:lol:

 

Once again Facts >>>>>>>>>>>> Opinions i posted a link.

GDDR5 has lowe voltage than DDR3 that can be as high as 1.8 vs GDDR5 that can be as low as 1.0 V.

Not fact.  No specifications on ps4 gdd5 voltage.   Cant do that brah I told you this.  For a smart guy you continually make unsubstantiated claims.  

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[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

http://www.samsung.com/us/business/oem-solutions/pdfs/Green-GDDR5.pdf

Facts >>>>>>>>>> Opinions..

tormentos

My Samsung ATIV Book 8 laptop (with Samsung GDDR5 laptop modules) says Hi.

Funny how you have 200 PC from lattop to desktop every time there is an argument you magically bring a new PC you have..:lol:

Once again Facts >>>>>>>>>>>> Opinions i posted a link.

GDDR5 has lowe voltage than DDR3 that can be as high as 1.8 vs GDDR5 that can be as low as 1.0 V.

My tax returns pays for it...

Your link http://www.samsung.com/us/business/oem-solutions/pdfs/Green-GDDR5.pdf only shows 1.35 V GDDR5-4000.


My old DELL Studio XPS 1645 laptop has poor battery life and it's not thin enough (I was very close in purchasing Apple's Macbook Pro Q2 2013 with Geforce GT 650M).

During 2010, Sony didn't have Radeon HD 5730M equiped laptop to replace my old 2008 era Sony Vaio VGN-FW45 laptop, hence DELL Studio XPS 1645 purchase.


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Link for 20 cus.  What did I tell you about these kind of claims?

XBOunity

 

While the Xbox Ones GPU is comparable to the Radeon HD 7790, the PS4 GPU is more like the HD 7870 which has 50% more compute units, and thus 50% higher peak teraflops.

 

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/162612-ps4-vs-xbox-one-performance-compared-using-representative-pc-hardware

 

while Sony's choice is uncannily like the Pitcairn product, the closest equivalent to the PS4's graphics chip being the desktop Radeon HD 7870,

 

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-can-xbox-one-multi-platform-games-compete-with-ps4

 

There is no GCN with 18 CU,funny thing i have been saying for a long time than the xbox one was 14 CU with 2 CU disable for yields and MS confirmed that,the reason why MS use only 12 CU is because if they pushed for 14 CU,with they would have a terrible supply problem,because any chip that didn't have 14 working CU most be trow out,much like Cell has 8 SPE but only 7 work and 1 is disable for that same reason.

 

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Link for 20 cus.  What did I tell you about these kind of claims?

tormentos

 

While the Xbox Ones GPU is comparable to the Radeon HD 7790, the PS4 GPU is more like the HD 7870 which has 50% more compute units, and thus 50% higher peak teraflops.

 

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/162612-ps4-vs-xbox-one-performance-compared-using-representative-pc-hardware

 

while Sony's choice is uncannily like the Pitcairn product, the closest equivalent to the PS4's graphics chip being the desktop Radeon HD 7870,

 

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-can-xbox-one-multi-platform-games-compete-with-ps4

 

There is no GCN with 18 CU,funny thing i have been saying for a long time than the xbox one was 14 CU with 2 CU disable for yields and MS confirmed that,the reason why MS use only 12 CU is because if they pushed for 14 CU,with they would have a terrible supply problem,because any chip that didn't have 14 working CU most be trow out,much like Cell has 8 SPE but only 7 work and 1 is disable for that same reason.

 

While you probably right.  Sony conformation would be nice.  Still not confirmed.

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[QUOTE="tormentos"]

[QUOTE="XBOunity"]

 

Link for 20 cus.  What did I tell you about these kind of claims?

XBOunity

 

While the Xbox Ones GPU is comparable to the Radeon HD 7790, the PS4 GPU is more like the HD 7870 which has 50% more compute units, and thus 50% higher peak teraflops.

 

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/162612-ps4-vs-xbox-one-performance-compared-using-representative-pc-hardware

 

while Sony's choice is uncannily like the Pitcairn product, the closest equivalent to the PS4's graphics chip being the desktop Radeon HD 7870,

 

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-can-xbox-one-multi-platform-games-compete-with-ps4

 

There is no GCN with 18 CU,funny thing i have been saying for a long time than the xbox one was 14 CU with 2 CU disable for yields and MS confirmed that,the reason why MS use only 12 CU is because if they pushed for 14 CU,with they would have a terrible supply problem,because any chip that didn't have 14 working CU most be trow out,much like Cell has 8 SPE but only 7 work and 1 is disable for that same reason.

 

While you probably right.  Sony conformation would be nice.  Still not confirmed.

 

it is pure spectulation. In fact a lot of the stuff being said about the PS4 is speculation due to the fact Sony has yet to release or confirm any of it. 

What is even more interesting is the incraased reports of games running smoother and looking better on the xbox one from the demo shows.

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#163 XBOunity
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[QUOTE="XBOunity"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

 

While the Xbox Ones GPU is comparable to the Radeon HD 7790, the PS4 GPU is more like the HD 7870 which has 50% more compute units, and thus 50% higher peak teraflops.urbansys

 

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/162612-ps4-vs-xbox-one-performance-compared-using-representative-pc-hardware

 

while Sony's choice is uncannily like the Pitcairn product, the closest equivalent to the PS4's graphics chip being the desktop Radeon HD 7870,

 

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-can-xbox-one-multi-platform-games-compete-with-ps4

 

There is no GCN with 18 CU,funny thing i have been saying for a long time than the xbox one was 14 CU with 2 CU disable for yields and MS confirmed that,the reason why MS use only 12 CU is because if they pushed for 14 CU,with they would have a terrible supply problem,because any chip that didn't have 14 working CU most be trow out,much like Cell has 8 SPE but only 7 work and 1 is disable for that same reason.

 

While you probably right.  Sony conformation would be nice.  Still not confirmed.

 

it is pure spectulation. In fact a lot of the stuff being said about the PS4 is speculation due to the fact Sony has yet to release or confirm any of it. 

What is even more interesting is the incraased reports of games running smoother and looking better on the xbox one from the demo shows.

Well leadbetter responded or df responded that some sony news will come soon.  So hopefully we finally get a clear breakdown.   I dont see sony holdimg hotchips conferences etc being as open with their hardware.  They dont have to be to be honest, the onus is on msft.    Still would like to see all conformation on stuff like cu's etc.

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My tax returns pays for it...

 

Your link http://www.samsung.com/us/business/oem-solutions/pdfs/Green-GDDR5.pdf only shows 1.35 V GDDR5-4000.

 

 

ronvalencia

 

Yes 1.2 volt DDR3 will incredible cryple performance and is not the one inside the xbox one,unless you have some links to share.

 

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My tax returns pays for it...

 

Your link http://www.samsung.com/us/business/oem-solutions/pdfs/Green-GDDR5.pdf only shows 1.35 V GDDR5-4000.

 

 

ronvalencia

 

Yes 1.2 volt DDR3 will incredible cryple performance and is not the one inside the xbox one,unless you have some links to share.

 

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While you probably right.  Sony conformation would be nice.  Still not confirmed.

XBOunity

 

it is pure spectulation. In fact a lot of the stuff being said about the PS4 is speculation due to the fact Sony has yet to release or confirm any of it. 

What is even more interesting is the incraased reports of games running smoother and looking better on the xbox one from the demo shows.

Well leadbetter responded or df responded that some sony news will come soon.  So hopefully we finally get a clear breakdown.   I dont see sony holdimg hotchips conferences etc being as open with their hardware.  They dont have to be to be honest, the onus is on msft.    Still would like to see all conformation on stuff like cu's etc.

yeah without a doubt in my mind its 20 CU's 2 CU's disabled for yield, there is no 18 CU GCN GPU even though its a console and the hardware is custom but they wouldnt stick 18 CU's in there and all 18 cu's running, always something disabled for yields
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dat 8:4 bigger penalty per CU drop since the Xbox One isnt in GCN CU diminishing returns territory :lol:
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it is pure spectulation. In fact a lot of the stuff being said about the PS4 is speculation due to the fact Sony has yet to release or confirm any of it. 

What is even more interesting is the incraased reports of games running smoother and looking better on the xbox one from the demo shows.

urbansys

 

Please point me to the so call games running better and smoother on xbox one please,because all i see is a barrage of sub HD games on xbox one,from 900p to 720p you name it.

Nothing on xbox one looks better than Killzone not even BF4 or Ryse,and still non of those games are 1080p yet Killzone is.

 

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[QUOTE="XBOunity"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

 

While the Xbox Ones GPU is comparable to the Radeon HD 7790, the PS4 GPU is more like the HD 7870 which has 50% more compute units, and thus 50% higher peak teraflops.urbansys

 

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/162612-ps4-vs-xbox-one-performance-compared-using-representative-pc-hardware

 

while Sony's choice is uncannily like the Pitcairn product, the closest equivalent to the PS4's graphics chip being the desktop Radeon HD 7870,

 

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-can-xbox-one-multi-platform-games-compete-with-ps4

 

There is no GCN with 18 CU,funny thing i have been saying for a long time than the xbox one was 14 CU with 2 CU disable for yields and MS confirmed that,the reason why MS use only 12 CU is because if they pushed for 14 CU,with they would have a terrible supply problem,because any chip that didn't have 14 working CU most be trow out,much like Cell has 8 SPE but only 7 work and 1 is disable for that same reason.

 

While you probably right.  Sony conformation would be nice.  Still not confirmed.

 

it is pure spectulation. In fact a lot of the stuff being said about the PS4 is speculation due to the fact Sony has yet to release or confirm any of it. 

What is even more interesting is the incraased reports of games running smoother and looking better on the xbox one from the demo shows.

how come just about every ps4 game is running native 1080p while xbox one games are upscaled ?
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Well leadbetter responded or df responded that some sony news will come soon.  So hopefully we finally get a clear breakdown.   I dont see sony holdimg hotchips conferences etc being as open with their hardware.  They dont have to be to be honest, the onus is on msft.    Still would like to see all conformation on stuff like cu's etc.

XBOunity

Open.? hahahaaaaaaaaaaa..............

 

Sony has been talking about his hardware since February 22 of this year,MS did not talk about the xbox one until may,they even cancel a showing in April,and let xbox fans to believe that non of the leaks were true,when in fact all were true,from weak hardware to horrible policies.

 

In fact there are article in DF talking about the PS4 hardware before MS even unveiled the xbox one..

 

What was intriguing was new data on how the PlayStation 4's 18-compute-unit AMD graphics core is utilised. Norden talked about "extremely carefully balanced" Compute architecture that allows GPU processing for tasks that usually run on the CPU. Sometimes, employing the massive parallelisation of the graphics hardware better suits specific processing tasks.

"The point of Compute is to be able to take non-graphics code, run it on the GPU and get that data back," he said. "So DSP algorithms... post-processing, anything that's not necessarily graphics-based you can really accelerate with Compute. Compute also has access to the full amount of unified memory."

"The cool thing about Compute on PlayStation 4 is that it runs completely simultaneous with graphics," Norden enthused. "So traditionally with OpenCL or other languages you have to suspend graphics to get good Compute performance. On PS4 you don't, it runs simultaneous with graphics.We've architected the system to take full advantage of Compute at the same time as graphics because we know that everyone wants maximum graphics performance."

Leaked developer documentation suggests that 14 of the PS4's compute units are dedicated to rendering, with four allocated to Compute functions. The reveal of the hardware last month suggested otherwise, with all 18 operating in an apparently "unified" manner. However, running Compute and rendering simultaneously does suggest that each area has its own bespoke resources. It'll be interesting to see what solution Sony eventually takes here.

 

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-inside-playstation-4

 

But but only the xbox one was balance...:lol: But but only MS talk about hardware and how it works..

 

You know that by this time the xbox spec were still unconfirmed leaks right.? MS confirmed those on may,so please stop talking about been open Sony has been since February while MS remained silence for months.

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This thread is gonna be another Robot Ron vs that Spanish PS3 fanboy, whatshisname. Fun times.Floppy_Jim

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"apparently".
Maths aren't that difficult that you can't tell when one number's bigger than another. Sounds like they were influenced by their talk with this Microsoft fellow.

As for what he's saying, of course he's gonna say things like that. I'm sure the ESRAM works well as support for their otherwise comparatively crippled memory solution. Good on them for putting that in there. And good luck prettying things up with PRy spinnings.