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[QUOTE="clyde46"]And? My GTX 580 had 3 billion and its now two gens behind.CallOfDutyRulez
Older architecture... The xbox ONE is clearly 5 years ahead of the best gaming PCs.
trolling has to be more subtle.
[QUOTE="Krelian-co"][QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]
So, how does it feel that you paid $10,000 for a multiplat machine with worse graphics than a $500 xbox ONE?
Grey_Eyed_Elf
i paid $20.000 for mine, nasa sold it to me directly.
20,000 is not enough... remember you need to raid 0 PCIE SSD drives to reach the speeds of the overall performance of the X1 and your ram needs to be DDR4 at the very least.i present to you my gamin room, i ordered when i found out the kind of power ps4 and xbone would have, i hope i can run games like consoles do.
[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]
[QUOTE="tormentos"]
Oh please you rided Volcanic Island with the xbox one...:lol: because for you MS had money to burn and everything was possible...:lol:
tormentos
http://au.gamespot.com/forums/topic/29393862/specs-for-nextbox-leaked-more-powerful-than-ps4?page=12
Xbox 360's total chip size from http://www.anandtech.com/show/2682/4
1st gen:
- CPU: 176 mm^2
- GPU: 182 mm^2
- eDRAM: 80 mm^2
Total chip size: 438 mm^2
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2nd gen:
- CPU: 135 mm^2
- GPU: 156 mm^2
- eDRAM: 64 mm^2
Total chip size: 355 mm^2
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TSMC's 20nm process tech makes the TC'srumor possible. :lol:
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Possibilities != actual.You can't handle shades of grey.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/possible
Definition of POSSIBLE
1
a : being within the limits of ability, capacity, or realization
b : being what may be conceived, be done, or occur according to nature, custom, or manners
2
a : being something that may or may not occur :lol:
b : being something that may or may not be true or actual :lol:
3
: having an indicated potential
The above X1 estimate the similar to my PS4 and it's still up to MS to select the 20nm part.
HD 7850's die size already smaller than 1st gen NVIDIA RSX.
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1st gen NVIDIA RSX = 258 mm^2
1st gen IBM CELL = 230 mm^2
Total die size: 488 mm^2
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Option 1
AMD Radeon HD 7850 (16 CU GpGPU) = 212 mm^2
AMD Trinity (6 CU IGP) = 246 mm^2
Total die size: 458 mm^2
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Option 2
Semi-custom AMD Trinity (quad core PileDriver) with Radeon HD 7850 = ~335 mm^2
Quad core PileDriver = ~50 watts (with 4th core for yield issues).
Radeon HD 7850 = 130 watts (16 CUs operational, with 4 CUs disabled for yeild issues).
Total: 180 watts.
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Option 3
Semi-custom AMD Jaguar with 8 cores with Radeon HD 7850
AMD Jaguar core: 3.1 mm^2 + 2.1 mm^2 L2 cache = 5.2 mm^2 x 8 cores = 41.6 mm^2 (28nm process tech)
AMD Radeon HD 7850 (16 CU GpGPU) = 212 mm^2 (28nm process tech)
Total : 253.6 mm^2, ~150 watts. ---
Based on 1st gen PS3, power consumption can be around 209 watts (e.g. FF13) i.e. PS3 used 380 watt power supply. Option 2 is possible for PS4.
See you still belive it even when every damn source say it was GCN and not GCN 2..
Nothing further to prove..:lol:
Definition of POSSIBLE
1
a : being within the limits of ability, capacity, or realization
b : being what may be conceived, be done, or occur according to nature, custom, or manners
2
a : being something that may or may not occur 
b : being something that may or may not be true or actual
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Definition of POSSIBLE
1
a : being within the limits of ability, capacity, or realization
b : being what may be conceived, be done, or occur according to nature, custom, or manners
2
a : being something that may or may not occur
b : being something that may or may not be true or actual
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ronvalencia
In your small world it was possible...
How can it be possible for the xbox one to have a Volcanic Island GPU when every source say its GPU is GCN.?
Without GCN2 it was impossible that the xbox one include a Volcanic Island GPU.
[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]
[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]
:lol: Look at this dumb cow damage controlling.
No, that 5 billion transistor count is for the GPU ONLY confirmed by misterxmedia and mistercdream, both reliable insiders.
CallOfDutyRulez
GPU's register data storage, L1 cache, local data store, global cache and L2 cache are SRAM type memory.:lol:
Read http://news.xbox.com/2013/05/marc-whitten-and-major-nelson-discuss-xbox-one-architecture
5 billion's context is the same as Xbox 360's 500 million transistors (which includes 10MB eDRAM).
Due to the lack of GDDR5 memory, 32 MB ESRAM would be integral part of X1's GPU.
No, the 5 billion transistor is for the GPU ONLY. Get it through your dumb cow brain.
The eSRAM is not included in that figure.
http://misterxmedia.livejournal.com's statement on 680 vs 7970 is LOL.
Non-Microsoft Direct3D GPGPU face-off: K20 vs 7970 vs GTX680 vs M2050 vs GTX580 from http://wili.cc/blog/gpgpu-faceoff.html
K20 = GK110 (same chip design as NVIDIA Titan).
There's very difference between NVIDIA's OpenCL and CUDA.
PS, Sony PS4 would not be using Microsoft's Direct3D stack.
App 1. Digital Hydraulics code is all about basic floating point arithmetics, both algebraic and transcendental. No dynamic branching, very little memory traffic.
App 2. Ambient Occlusion code is a very mixed load of floating point and integer arithmetics, dynamic branching, texture sampling and memory access. Despite the memory traffic, this is a very compute intensive kernel.
App 3. Running Sum code, in contrast to the above, is memory intensive. It shuffles data through at a high rate, not doing much calculations on it. It relies heavily on the on-chip L1 cache, though, so it's not a raw memory bandwidth test.
App 4. Geometry Sampling code is texture sampling intensive. It sweeps through geometry data in "waves", and stresses samplers, texture caches, and memory equally. It also has a high register usage and thus low occupancy.
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Minus GPU's fix graphics function units, 7970 preforms well with complex GpGPU workloads. AMD needs to imporve GCN's non-compute hardware.
http://misterxmedia.livejournal.com's statement on VLIW is LOL
VLIW GPU 1 instruction represent : whole 64 operation ( you see the problem here, as very difficult for compiler to create this instruction , as per instruction has no dependency each other) - misterxmedia
VLIW is not like SIMD i.e. SIMD has single instruction with multiple data. SIMD is data level parallelism.
VLIW has multiple instructions with single corresponding data i.e. instruction level parallelism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_long_instruction_word :lol:
[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]
Definition of POSSIBLE
1
a : being within the limits of ability, capacity, or realization
b : being what may be conceived, be done, or occur according to nature, custom, or manners
2
a : being something that may or may not occur
b : being something that may or may not be true or actual
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tormentos
In your small world it was possible...
How can it be possible for the xbox one to have a Volcanic Island GPU when every source say its GPU is GCN.?
Without GCN2 it was impossible that the xbox one include a Volcanic Island GPU.
"will have" != possible.
"must have" != possible.
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/possible
2. that may exist or happen, but that is not certain or probable:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/possible
Definition of POSSIBLE
1
a : being within the limits of ability, capacity, or realization
b : being what may be conceived, be done, or occur according to nature, custom, or manners
2
a : being something that may or may not occur
b : being something that may or may not be true or actual
http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/possible
2. considered capable of happening, existing, being done, or being true, but not very likely possible (that): :lol:
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You got problems with details.
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