Xbox one - Seriously.. what are the disadvantages / differences?

There are no advantages to getting an xbox one, underpowered, overpriced, draconian DRM, always on camera in your home.

Plus MS will milk owners for every cent they can in the traditional MS style.

[QUOTE="Bishop1310"]

I'm a current xbox owner and former ps3 owner. My expierence on the PS3 just wasn't deep enough for me. The xbox always offered such a better expierence for me personally when it came to gaming, even multiplats. I'm a little disappointed to say the least with what I'm hearing about xbox one. The line up looks great but even developers have come out and said the PS4 is superior. The $499 price tag for inferior hardware and a forced purcased of kinect does not sit well with me.

I'm semi tech savvy, built my own pc's for a few years, done a little programming and try to stay caught up with new hardware. I lack knowledge of the true details of these consoles though and I'd appreciate it if someone who really knew their stuff could shed some light on the true differences between the two. Is the xone following the same path as the WiiU?

Antwan3K

as someone who owns both a PS3 and a 360 and someone who plans to eventually get both a PS4 and XB1, I can readily say that, from what I've seen so far and what history has shown, Xbox One will have the better overall online service with Xbox Live Gold, the better voice control/facial recognition/motion control camera with Kinect 2.0, the better second screen experience with Smartglass, the better cloud gaming and storage solution with Azure (and SkyDrive), more apps and app support with Windows 8 app compatibility, the more established and fleshed out multimedia ecosystem with Xbox Music and Xbox Video, the better Live TV integration with HDMI input, the better multitasking with Snap View, and the more dynamic dashboard UI.

That's just off the top of my head and I'm sure there are other advantages.. Microsoft is a software company and they have proven time and time again that they will lead the way in terms of online multiplayer innovation, multimedia integration, and dashboard UI improvements while Sony continues to play catch up.. if this next generation is going to be about persistent world multiplayer, cloud technology, second screen functionality, and practical usage of voice/motion controls, then Microsoft is definitely going "all in" while Sony is playing "wait and see".. there's nothing wrong with the "wait and see" approach but lets not pretend we don't know why people are calling Sony's new console the PS3.5 either..

Now in fairness, Sony is the better hardware company and they've brought a few advantages aswell, to include a better hardware spec sheet (on paper anyway), replaceable HDD, rechargeable controllers that don't require the additional purchase of a "play and charge kit", better remote play features with PS Vita cross communication, and a lower price point.. Sony is playing it safe, plain and simple. Again, nothing wrong with that but the Xbox One just seems like the more exciting purchase for me right now because of this.

Honestly, you can't go wrong with either console and personally I'm going with the Xbox One first and a PS4 after the price drops and teh GDDR5 starts to finally show this "50% difference" in graphics.. ;-)

If we go by history the xbox one should have been out a year ago,the PS4 will release this year for $600.

The future is not always at pase with history if so the PS3 would be now like at 120 million sold and the xbox 360 at 20.

Yeah that is the reason why they are behind in SDK according to developers,and why the PS4 suppor cross platforms gaming like the PS3 did while the xbox doesn't,party chat across systems.?

You people really think is 2006,is not sony learned and part of what has appen were the PS4 appear that will outsold the xbox one prove it,dedicated servers where there for the PS3 on 2006 when MS only had P2P but hell we can travel even further Socom on 2002 used servers and voice chat before xbox live was even launch.

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

Keep talking, d****ss, I am rather enjoying watching you dig your grave.

tormentos

That is funny comming from you a blind fanboy that want people to ignore every single benchmark done on GCN to date to take his word on how both will be on par...:lol:

As much as 24 FPS mark that dude,the xbox one will have to give up resolution for frames as well as visuals.

Keep talking dum***s, it's just making the future ownage all the sweeter.

EDIT: glad to see you bumped up the FPS from yesterday. Is it going to be 30 tomorrow?:lol:

[QUOTE="Antwan3K"]

[QUOTE="Bishop1310"]

I'm a current xbox owner and former ps3 owner. My expierence on the PS3 just wasn't deep enough for me. The xbox always offered such a better expierence for me personally when it came to gaming, even multiplats. I'm a little disappointed to say the least with what I'm hearing about xbox one. The line up looks great but even developers have come out and said the PS4 is superior. The $499 price tag for inferior hardware and a forced purcased of kinect does not sit well with me.

I'm semi tech savvy, built my own pc's for a few years, done a little programming and try to stay caught up with new hardware. I lack knowledge of the true details of these consoles though and I'd appreciate it if someone who really knew their stuff could shed some light on the true differences between the two. Is the xone following the same path as the WiiU?

tormentos

as someone who owns both a PS3 and a 360 and someone who plans to eventually get both a PS4 and XB1, I can readily say that, from what I've seen so far and what history has shown, Xbox One will have the better overall online service with Xbox Live Gold, the better voice control/facial recognition/motion control camera with Kinect 2.0, the better second screen experience with Smartglass, the better cloud gaming and storage solution with Azure (and SkyDrive), more apps and app support with Windows 8 app compatibility, the more established and fleshed out multimedia ecosystem with Xbox Music and Xbox Video, the better Live TV integration with HDMI input, the better multitasking with Snap View, and the more dynamic dashboard UI.

That's just off the top of my head and I'm sure there are other advantages.. Microsoft is a software company and they have proven time and time again that they will lead the way in terms of online multiplayer innovation, multimedia integration, and dashboard UI improvements while Sony continues to play catch up.. if this next generation is going to be about persistent world multiplayer, cloud technology, second screen functionality, and practical usage of voice/motion controls, then Microsoft is definitely going "all in" while Sony is playing "wait and see".. there's nothing wrong with the "wait and see" approach but lets not pretend we don't know why people are calling Sony's new console the PS3.5 either..

Now in fairness, Sony is the better hardware company and they've brought a few advantages aswell, to include a better hardware spec sheet (on paper anyway), replaceable HDD, rechargeable controllers that don't require the additional purchase of a "play and charge kit", better remote play features with PS Vita cross communication, and a lower price point.. Sony is playing it safe, plain and simple. Again, nothing wrong with that but the Xbox One just seems like the more exciting purchase for me right now because of this.

Honestly, you can't go wrong with either console and personally I'm going with the Xbox One first and a PS4 after the price drops and teh GDDR5 starts to finally show this "50% difference" in graphics.. ;-)

If we go by history the xbox one should have been out a year ago,the PS4 will release this year for $600.

The future is not always at pase with history if so the PS3 would be now like at 120 million sold and the xbox 360 at 20.

Yeah that is the reason why they are behind in SDK according to developers,and why the PS4 suppor cross platforms gaming like the PS3 did while the xbox doesn't,party chat across systems.?

You people really think is 2006,is not sony learned and part of what has appen were the PS4 appear that will outsold the xbox one prove it,dedicated servers where there for the PS3 on 2006 when MS only had P2P but hell we can travel even further Socom on 2002 used servers and voice chat before xbox live was even launch.

"The future is not always at pase with history if so the PS3 would be now like at 120 million sold and the xbox 360 at 20."

The 360 would be at 20 million? :lol::lol::lol:

Super cow at it again!!!!

I honestly don't know whether to laugh at you, or cry that there are people out there who actually believe things that dumb.

Xbox Live and its 300,000 servers is all i need to know to make my decision. 

50%.Bangerman15

You know that has been hugley discredited right?

 

"The future is not always at pase with history if so the PS3 would be now like at 120 million sold and the xbox 360 at 20."

The 360 would be at 20 million? :lol::lol::lol:

Super cow at it again!!!!

I honestly don't know whether to laugh at you, or cry that there are people out there who actually believe things that dumb.

 

StormyJoe

So what make me a super cow.?

The fact that i point that if history would determine the future the xbox 360 would be at 20 or so million units.? How is that wrong the xbox sold 25 million units,vs the PS2 155 million so yeah if history actually dictated how things would go,the xbox 360 would have perform = or worse than the xbox and the PS3 = or better than the PS2.

 

Keep talking dum***s, it's just making the future ownage all the sweeter.

EDIT: glad to see you bumped up the FPS from yesterday. Is it going to be 30 tomorrow?:lol:

StormyJoe

I have stated several times as big as 24 FPS and that is going by GCN that has 1.28Tf vs one that has 1.79 TF in equal groundings 128 bit bus,7770 vs 7790.

The difference  between those 2 is actually smaller than the difference between the xbox one and PS4,no matter what you claim 1.18TF vs 1.84 TF will deliver a difference believe what you want,is already happening how many games are 1080p on xbox one.?

While Killzone SF look better than anything on xbox one and is 1080p...

Games--another factor to consider. Sony has demonstrated for three consecutive generations that they can/will support their platforms with exlcusive content and strong 3rd party support, as well, long into their platforms life-cycle. MSFT will do a good job of this the next few years, too. And I'm sure they intend to keep the software flowing--but it's hard to over look the lack of focus on their platforms towards the end of life-cycles.

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

"The future is not always at pase with history if so the PS3 would be now like at 120 million sold and the xbox 360 at 20."

The 360 would be at 20 million? :lol::lol::lol:

Super cow at it again!!!!

I honestly don't know whether to laugh at you, or cry that there are people out there who actually believe things that dumb.

tormentos

So what make me a super cow.?

The fact that i point that if history would determine the future the xbox 360 would be at 20 or so million units.? How is that wrong the xbox sold 25 million units,vs the PS2 155 million so yeah if history actually dictated how things would go,the xbox 360 would have perform = or worse than the xbox and the PS3 = or better than the PS2.

Everything. How the Hell has history ever repeated itself ing console sales? Did ANYONE predict the Wii's success (late to the game, weakest console)?

And yes, you are a super cow. You go off in every thread about how superior the PS4 is (routinely increasing the gap, btw), talk about things you have no clue on (but still claim PS4 superiority), and ignore any evidence to the contrary. If Kaz told you to lop your junk off, you'd probably do it!

So, I am now going to sit back and laugh as this next gen progresses and you are proven wrong. Over and over and over and over again.

[QUOTE="Antwan3K"]

[QUOTE="Bishop1310"]

I'm a current xbox owner and former ps3 owner. My expierence on the PS3 just wasn't deep enough for me. The xbox always offered such a better expierence for me personally when it came to gaming, even multiplats. I'm a little disappointed to say the least with what I'm hearing about xbox one. The line up looks great but even developers have come out and said the PS4 is superior. The $499 price tag for inferior hardware and a forced purcased of kinect does not sit well with me.

I'm semi tech savvy, built my own pc's for a few years, done a little programming and try to stay caught up with new hardware. I lack knowledge of the true details of these consoles though and I'd appreciate it if someone who really knew their stuff could shed some light on the true differences between the two. Is the xone following the same path as the WiiU?

tormentos

as someone who owns both a PS3 and a 360 and someone who plans to eventually get both a PS4 and XB1, I can readily say that, from what I've seen so far and what history has shown, Xbox One will have the better overall online service with Xbox Live Gold, the better voice control/facial recognition/motion control camera with Kinect 2.0, the better second screen experience with Smartglass, the better cloud gaming and storage solution with Azure (and SkyDrive), more apps and app support with Windows 8 app compatibility, the more established and fleshed out multimedia ecosystem with Xbox Music and Xbox Video, the better Live TV integration with HDMI input, the better multitasking with Snap View, and the more dynamic dashboard UI.

That's just off the top of my head and I'm sure there are other advantages.. Microsoft is a software company and they have proven time and time again that they will lead the way in terms of online multiplayer innovation, multimedia integration, and dashboard UI improvements while Sony continues to play catch up.. if this next generation is going to be about persistent world multiplayer, cloud technology, second screen functionality, and practical usage of voice/motion controls, then Microsoft is definitely going "all in" while Sony is playing "wait and see".. there's nothing wrong with the "wait and see" approach but lets not pretend we don't know why people are calling Sony's new console the PS3.5 either..

Now in fairness, Sony is the better hardware company and they've brought a few advantages aswell, to include a better hardware spec sheet (on paper anyway), replaceable HDD, rechargeable controllers that don't require the additional purchase of a "play and charge kit", better remote play features with PS Vita cross communication, and a lower price point.. Sony is playing it safe, plain and simple. Again, nothing wrong with that but the Xbox One just seems like the more exciting purchase for me right now because of this.

Honestly, you can't go wrong with either console and personally I'm going with the Xbox One first and a PS4 after the price drops and teh GDDR5 starts to finally show this "50% difference" in graphics.. ;-)

If we go by history the xbox one should have been out a year ago,the PS4 will release this year for $600.

The future is not always at pase with history if so the PS3 would be now like at 120 million sold and the xbox 360 at 20.

Yeah that is the reason why they are behind in SDK according to developers,and why the PS4 suppor cross platforms gaming like the PS3 did while the xbox doesn't,party chat across systems.?

You people really think is 2006,is not sony learned and part of what has appen were the PS4 appear that will outsold the xbox one prove it,dedicated servers where there for the PS3 on 2006 when MS only had P2P but hell we can travel even further Socom on 2002 used servers and voice chat before xbox live was even launch.

firstly, you somehow missed the entire point of my post.. But to address the one point you seemed to want to focus on, the original Xbox had a better online experience than the PS2.. The Xbox 360 had a better online experience than the PS3.. And judging from the Azure cloud-powered advancements announced so far and other new features coming to Xbox Live (in addition to everything that already makes it a superior online service currently), the Xbox One looks to again provide a better online experience than the PS4 while Sony is going to continue to play catch up for yet another generation.. I'm not saying that history 100% dictates the future, but we can make educated speculations based upon historical trends..

 

Everything. How the Hell has history ever repeated itself ing console sales? Did ANYONE predict the Wii's success (late to the game, weakest console)?

And yes, you are a super cow. You go off in every thread about how superior the PS4 is (routinely increasing the gap, btw), talk about things you have no clue on (but still claim PS4 superiority), and ignore any evidence to the contrary. If Kaz told you to lop your junk off, you'd probably do it!

So, I am now going to sit back and laugh as this next gen progresses and you are proven wrong. Over and over and over and over again.

StormyJoe

WTF it did the PS1 sold 100 millions the PS2 sold 155 millions it does happen,but that wasn't my point because his argument was based on history,if history would dictate the future,the xbox 360 would have fail because the xbox fail get it now.?

Yet you are a super butthurt lemming which is even worse,because you use nothing but your biased ass opinion to counter other people arguments,fact is there is a mark difference between those GPU period if you want to admit it or not that is your thing.

Oh and i am not bringing in compute which sony is actually pushing hard developers to use,on xbox one those will deliver a nasty hit,but since you know it all and you have undeniable evidence that both will be on par all i say is is basically BS...:lol:

 

 

firstly, you somehow missed the entire point of my post.. But to address the one point you seemed to want to focus on, the original Xbox had a better online experience than the PS2.. The Xbox 360 had a better online experience than the PS3.. And judging from the Azure cloud-powered advancements announced so far and other new features coming to Xbox Live (in addition to everything that already makes it a superior online service currently), the Xbox One looks to again provide a better online experience than the PS4 while Sony is going to continue to play catch up for yet another generation.. I'm not saying that history 100% dictates the future, but we can make educated speculations based upon historical trends..

Antwan3K

It was P2P with friend list for $50 dollars but yeah it was centralice.

The xbox 360 was not a better online expericen than PS3,i did use both and appart from party chat both had good games and bad games,both systems lag from time to time,both systems have cheaters live more than PSN by the way,core gaming the PS3 even actually edge live,games like Resistance were unmatch on xbox 360,60 players online 8 players co-op smooth like butter,Warhawk 32 players huge ass maps,airplanes,jeeps,tanks,jet packs it still one of the smoothes experiences online.

Oh i played Halo on live and Gears to and while Halo was smooth with basically no problems,Gears sucked so hard it was horrible,host advantage issues, lag,bugs it was horrible and people eat it and love it even reviews for the game named lag as one of the problems the game had.

You haven't play on azure you are going by what MS is saying,which is basically nothing more than PR glorification of their own serve client service,so sure they will claim is the best,and is fun to see people hype servers when sony has been using them before xbox live was even launch while xbox fans payed for a P2P experience,how else do you think Resistance ran 40 players matches online when gears of war was having problems running 4 vs 4.

I don't byte MS glorified services after all they will claim is the  best ever,just like the claim anything xbox is better.

[QUOTE="Antwan3K"]

firstly, you somehow missed the entire point of my post.. But to address the one point you seemed to want to focus on, the original Xbox had a better online experience than the PS2.. The Xbox 360 had a better online experience than the PS3.. And judging from the Azure cloud-powered advancements announced so far and other new features coming to Xbox Live (in addition to everything that already makes it a superior online service currently), the Xbox One looks to again provide a better online experience than the PS4 while Sony is going to continue to play catch up for yet another generation.. I'm not saying that history 100% dictates the future, but we can make educated speculations based upon historical trends..

tormentos

It was P2P with friend list for $50 dollars but yeah it was centralice.

The xbox 360 was not a better online expericen than PS3,i did use both and appart from party chat both had good games and bad games,both systems lag from time to time,both systems have cheaters live more than PSN by the way,core gaming the PS3 even actually edge live,games like Resistance were unmatch on xbox 360,60 players online 8 players co-op smooth like butter,Warhawk 32 players huge ass maps,airplanes,jeeps,tanks,jet packs it still one of the smoothes experiences online.

Oh i played Halo on live and Gears to and while Halo was smooth with basically no problems,Gears sucked so hard it was horrible,host advantage issues, lag,bugs it was horrible and people eat it and love it even reviews for the game named lag as one of the problems the game had.

You haven't play on azure you are going by what MS is saying,which is basically nothing more than PR glorification of their own serve client service,so sure they will claim is the best,and is fun to see people hype servers when sony has been using them before xbox live was even launch while xbox fans payed for a P2P experience,how else do you think Resistance ran 40 players matches online when gears of war was having problems running 4 vs 4.

I don't byte MS glorified services after all they will claim is the best ever,just like the claim anything xbox is better.

thank you for proving my point.. Party chat, cross-game voice chat, cross-game invites, and more is what made online gaming on 360 an overall better experience than what was found on the PS3.. Sony spent the entire last generation lying to gamers, saying that cross-game voice chat was coming to PS3 until they eventually pulled the bait-and-switch and finally admitted that cross-game voice chat wasn't possible on PS3.. Once that happened, Sony fanboys (including myself) tried to convince themselves that party chat wasn't a big deal and PSN was better off without it.. Well now Sony has finally played catch up again and the PS4 will finally get functionality that the 360 has had for years already.. Congratulations..

So now, Microsoft is pushing over 300,000 servers with their Azure cloud network in order to boost the performance of Xbox Live with dedicated servers for all game developers, enhanced and dynamic matchmaking features and achievement services, and cloud computing capabilities while Sony is once again playing "wait and see", has nothing comparable to the size and scale of the Azure network, and even their Gaikai streaming service (which only is going to be used for streaming select PS3 games) isn't going to be ready until "sometime in 2014" while the developers of games like Forza 5 and Titanfall are implementing the advantages of the Xbox One's cloud services as we speak..

but let me guess: a huge cloud service like Azure "isn't a big deal" for an online multiplayer service just like party chat on the 360 wasn't a big deal either right?.. Gotcha.. It won't be a big deal until Sony finally plays catch up again 3~4 years from now and tries to release something similar.. Hopefully they've learned their lesson from last time and made the PS4 a bit more future proof so that gamers won't have to wait for the PS5 in order to get functionality that the Xbox One will already have been using for years like they did to us this generation with party chat..

[QUOTE="_Matt_"]

To get it out of the way - yes the PS4 is more powerful.

BUT

it's certainly no WiiU, the gap between X1 and PS4 is minimal at most. Multiplatforms may perform slightly better on PS4, but apart from that the 2 consoles are pretty much clones. If you already into pc gaming at all (reading between the lines that you build pcs), then it won't matter the marginal difference between the 2 consoles since if you want much better visuals/performance you can always fall back on pc.

Go with the system you most like the lineup for.

xboxiphoneps3

both consoles will be similar exccept that xbox live will have dedicated servers for most if not all games.

 

Sony will be stuck with p2p 4 lyfe.

Evo_nine

[QUOTE="Evo_nine"]

both consoles will be similar exccept that xbox live will have dedicated servers for most if not all games.

Sony will be stuck with p2p 4 lyfe.

ermacness

it wasn't in the matchmaking form, it was the old archaic use some filters, find some servers, try to connect before its full..

Azure + matching = my wet dream. I love match making except its been p2p the entire time. Its much better for finding odd game types that servers die out in the dedicated lists. Dynamically creating matches makes it much easier to scale to the amount of people that want to play that game. If a game is unpoplar in the old form, servers get closed down because of lack of use, then when people do want to use them its not easy to find a server, and if you do it might be empty. So 200 people looking for a game don't know 199 people want to play the same thing.

Matchmking just puts everyone in a queue and spawns off games as needed. But M$ takes it a step further with TruSkill and that new feature that can group players based on ratings. This is wonderful for a game like halo, where the game will create really good matched games with people that are less likely to drop out on you.

edit: if M$ can incorperate a steam like workshop and add those to match making lists with dedicated servers, i'd never bother playing on PC again...

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

Everything. How the Hell has history ever repeated itself ing console sales? Did ANYONE predict the Wii's success (late to the game, weakest console)?

And yes, you are a super cow. You go off in every thread about how superior the PS4 is (routinely increasing the gap, btw), talk about things you have no clue on (but still claim PS4 superiority), and ignore any evidence to the contrary. If Kaz told you to lop your junk off, you'd probably do it!

So, I am now going to sit back and laugh as this next gen progresses and you are proven wrong. Over and over and over and over again.

tormentos

WTF it did the PS1 sold 100 millions the PS2 sold 155 millions it does happen,but that wasn't my point because his argument was based on history,if history would dictate the future,the xbox 360 would have fail because the xbox fail get it now.?

Yet you are a super butthurt lemming which is even worse,because you use nothing but your biased ass opinion to counter other people arguments,fact is there is a mark difference between those GPU period if you want to admit it or not that is your thing.

Oh and i am not bringing in compute which sony is actually pushing hard developers to use,on xbox one those will deliver a nasty hit,but since you know it all and you have undeniable evidence that both will be on par all i say is is basically BS...:lol:

I am not a "butthurt lemming". All I do is denounce stupid fanboy posts - which is why I focus on you so much.

You know as well as I do that I have said many times that the PS4 is the more powerful platform from a raw numbers perspective. I have never said otherwise. What I have said, and what I will continue to say, is that the advantage is not as great as you make it out to be. That's the difference, I am objective and you are a ranting super-cow.

I hope you can handle the barrage of "owned" threads coming your way when the next gen arrives.

[QUOTE="ermacness"]

[QUOTE="Evo_nine"]

both consoles will be similar exccept that xbox live will have dedicated servers for most if not all games.

Sony will be stuck with p2p 4 lyfe.

savagetwinkie

it wasn't in the matchmaking form, it was the old archaic use some filters, find some servers, try to connect before its full..

Azure + matching = my wet dream. I love match making except its been p2p the entire time. Its much better for finding odd game types that servers die out in the dedicated lists. Dynamically creating matches makes it much easier to scale to the amount of people that want to play that game. If a game is unpoplar in the old form, servers get closed down because of lack of use, then when people do want to use them its not easy to find a server, and if you do it might be empty. So 200 people looking for a game don't know 199 people want to play the same thing.

Matchmking just puts everyone in a queue and spawns off games as needed. But M$ takes it a step further with TruSkill and that new feature that can group players based on ratings. This is wonderful for a game like halo, where the game will create really good matched games with people that are less likely to drop out on you.

edit: if M$ can incorperate a steam like workshop and add those to match making lists with dedicated servers, i'd never bother playing on PC again...

The XBox One has more features, it will turn your tv into a smart tv with voice and gesture control, and the Kinect 2 is one step closer to a holodeck type experience. The PS4 is $100 cheaper and thus will likely have a higher initial adoption rate. If you have the money, get an XBox One. If you're low on cash, get a PS4...superclocked

"The system as a whole has a massive chunk of hardware devoted to AV tasks, enough to make background encoding, decoding, playback, scaling, and the rest about as seamless as possible to the gamer. AV should just work and gaming should just work regardless of what the other is doing, something the PS4 should do as well but in a very different way. Then again the majority of this functionality is available in a <$100 Android box so it isnt a standout feature if you follow tech at all.

Then there are the GPUs themselves, the Achilles heel of the XBox One. While there is nothing wrong with them per se, they are a slightly older revision than used in the PS4 but the differences are small enough to be ignorable. What does matter is that the PS4 has about 50% more units at roughly the same clocks, 1152 at ~800MHz vs 768 at 853MHz, a massive difference. Couple this with the vastly more user-friendly 8GB GDDR5 memory design and you have a clean kill for Sony on performance.

Microsoft made a really impressive SoC that is a multimedia monster with a bit of gaming ability, technically speaking it is quite impressive that they pulled it off. Not to take anything away from the hardware designers but Microsoft management simply aimed wrong. Sony made a gaming machine, Microsoft did not. Sony made a clean design for coders, Microsoft did not. Microsoft made a complex technical masterpiece that is in a no-mans land between a far <$100 Android media center and the PS4. Sony just did right for gamers and won the battle."

http://semiaccurate.com/2013/09/03/xbox-ones-sound-block-is-much-more-than-audio/

The XBox One has more features, it will turn your tv into a smart tv with voice and gesture control, and the Kinect 2 is one step closer to a holodeck type experience. The PS4 is $100 cheaper and thus will likely have a higher initial adoption rate. If you have the money, get an XBox One. If you're low on cash, get a PS4...superclocked

"The system as a whole has a massive chunk of hardware devoted to AV tasks, enough to make background encoding, decoding, playback, scaling, and the rest about as seamless as possible to the gamer. AV should just work and gaming should just work regardless of what the other is doing, something the PS4 should do as well but in a very different way. Then again the majority of this functionality is available in a <$100 Android box so it isnt a standout feature if you follow tech at all.

Then there are the GPUs themselves, the Achilles heel of the XBox One. While there is nothing wrong with them per se, they are a slightly older revision than used in the PS4 but the differences are small enough to be ignorable. What does matter is that the PS4 has about 50% more units at roughly the same clocks, 1152 at ~800MHz vs 768 at 853MHz, a massive difference. Couple this with the vastly more user-friendly 8GB GDDR5 memory design and you have a clean kill for Sony on performance.

Microsoft made a really impressive SoC that is a multimedia monster with a bit of gaming ability, technically speaking it is quite impressive that they pulled it off. Not to take anything away from the hardware designers but Microsoft management simply aimed wrong. Sony made a gaming machine, Microsoft did not. Sony made a clean design for coders, Microsoft did not. Microsoft made a complex technical masterpiece that is in a no-mans land between a far <$100 Android media center and the PS4. Sony just did right for gamers and won the battle."

http://semiaccurate.com/2013/09/03/xbox-ones-sound-block-is-much-more-than-audio/

Wickerman777

"The system as a whole has a massive chunk of hardware devoted to AV tasks, enough to make background encoding, decoding, playback, scaling, and the rest about as seamless as possible to the gamer. AV should just work and gaming should just work regardless of what the other is doing, something the PS4 should do as well but in a very different way. Then again the majority of this functionality is available in a <$100 Android box so it isnt a standout feature if you follow tech at all.

Then there are the GPUs themselves, the Achilles heel of the XBox One. While there is nothing wrong with them per se, they are a slightly older revision than used in the PS4 but the differences are small enough to be ignorable. What does matter is that the PS4 has about 50% more units at roughly the same clocks, 1152 at ~800MHz vs 768 at 853MHz, a massive difference. Couple this with the vastly more user-friendly 8GB GDDR5 memory design and you have a clean kill for Sony on performance.

Microsoft made a really impressive SoC that is a multimedia monster with a bit of gaming ability, technically speaking it is quite impressive that they pulled it off. Not to take anything away from the hardware designers but Microsoft management simply aimed wrong. Sony made a gaming machine, Microsoft did not. Sony made a clean design for coders, Microsoft did not. Microsoft made a complex technical masterpiece that is in a no-mans land between a far <$100 Android media center and the PS4. Sony just did right for gamers and won the battle."

http://semiaccurate.com/2013/09/03/xbox-ones-sound-block-is-much-more-than-audio/

Wickerman777

[QUOTE="superclocked"]The XBox One has more features, it will turn your tv into a smart tv with voice and gesture control, and the Kinect 2 is one step closer to a holodeck type experience. The PS4 is $100 cheaper and thus will likely have a higher initial adoption rate. If you have the money, get an XBox One. If you're low on cash, get a PS4...xboxiphoneps3

"The system as a whole has a massive chunk of hardware devoted to AV tasks, enough to make background encoding, decoding, playback, scaling, and the rest about as seamless as possible to the gamer. AV should just work and gaming should just work regardless of what the other is doing, something the PS4 should do as well but in a very different way. Then again the majority of this functionality is available in a <$100 Android box so it isnt a standout feature if you follow tech at all.

Then there are the GPUs themselves, the Achilles heel of the XBox One. While there is nothing wrong with them per se, they are a slightly older revision than used in the PS4 but the differences are small enough to be ignorable. What does matter is that the PS4 has about 50% more units at roughly the same clocks, 1152 at ~800MHz vs 768 at 853MHz, a massive difference. Couple this with the vastly more user-friendly 8GB GDDR5 memory design and you have a clean kill for Sony on performance.

Microsoft made a really impressive SoC that is a multimedia monster with a bit of gaming ability, technically speaking it is quite impressive that they pulled it off. Not to take anything away from the hardware designers but Microsoft management simply aimed wrong. Sony made a gaming machine, Microsoft did not. Sony made a clean design for coders, Microsoft did not. Microsoft made a complex technical masterpiece that is in a no-mans land between a far <$100 Android media center and the PS4. Sony just did right for gamers and won the battle."

http://semiaccurate.com/2013/09/03/xbox-ones-sound-block-is-much-more-than-audio/

Wickerman777

Yes. The XB1 is a true "next gen media/gaming device", the PS4 is a "next gen console". Time will tell if consumers prefer one or the other. Personally, I chose XB1 (first, I'll eventually get a PS4) because it is more than a gaming console.

[QUOTE="superclocked"]The XBox One has more features, it will turn your tv into a smart tv with voice and gesture control, and the Kinect 2 is one step closer to a holodeck type experience. The PS4 is $100 cheaper and thus will likely have a higher initial adoption rate. If you have the money, get an XBox One. If you're low on cash, get a PS4...xboxiphoneps3

So then, the only real gamers will be PS4 gamers? XB1 and PC users aren't real gamers?

[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"][QUOTE="superclocked"]The XBox One has more features, it will turn your tv into a smart tv with voice and gesture control, and the Kinect 2 is one step closer to a holodeck type experience. The PS4 is $100 cheaper and thus will likely have a higher initial adoption rate. If you have the money, get an XBox One. If you're low on cash, get a PS4...StormyJoe

So then, the only real gamers will be PS4 gamers? XB1 and PC users aren't real gamers?

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"] or if you are a actual gamer and likes games, the PS4 is the better choice in that regard, if your not really a gamer, the Xbox One is better for you ShaineTheNerd

So then, the only real gamers will be PS4 gamers? XB1 and PC users aren't real gamers?

You are not impressed by sony releasing a much more powerful console, much more cheaply, with less DRM and without a spycam?

[QUOTE="ShaineTheNerd"][QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

So then, the only real gamers will be PS4 gamers? XB1 and PC users aren't real gamers?

tenaka2

You are not impressed by sony releasing a much more powerful console, much more cheaply, with less DRM and without a spycam?

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thank you for proving my point.. Party chat, cross-game voice chat, cross-game invites, and more is what made online gaming on 360 an overall better experience than what was found on the PS3.. Sony spent the entire last generation lying to gamers, saying that cross-game voice chat was coming to PS3 until they eventually pulled the bait-and-switch and finally admitted that cross-game voice chat wasn't possible on PS3.. Once that happened, Sony fanboys (including myself) tried to convince themselves that party chat wasn't a big deal and PSN was better off without it.. Well now Sony has finally played catch up again and the PS4 will finally get functionality that the 360 has had for years already.. Congratulations..

 

So now, Microsoft is pushing over 300,000 servers with their Azure cloud network in order to boost the performance of Xbox Live with dedicated servers for all game developers, enhanced and dynamic matchmaking features and achievement services, and cloud computing capabilities while Sony is once again playing "wait and see", has nothing comparable to the size and scale of the Azure network, and even their Gaikai streaming service (which only is going to be used for streaming select PS3 games) isn't going to be ready until "sometime in 2014" while the developers of games like Forza 5 and Titanfall are implementing the advantages of the Xbox One's cloud services as we speak..

 

but let me guess: a huge cloud service like Azure "isn't a big deal" for an online multiplayer service just like party chat on the 360 wasn't a big deal either right?.. Gotcha.. It won't be a big deal until Sony finally plays catch up again 3~4 years from now and tries to release something similar.. Hopefully they've learned their lesson from last time and made the PS4 a bit more future proof so that gamers won't have to wait for the PS5 in order to get functionality that the Xbox One will already have been using for years like they did to us this generation with party chat..

Antwan3K

First of all Party chat was even block in COD in certain modes because it was use to cheat.

Second party chat wasn't possible on PS3 because sony reduce the OS memory usage to much,once the games have that memory part it wasn't impossible to take it away because those games would not work,in fact they tested it and it worked but several games had problems running,so sony could not doing without angrying some developers,but even the PSvita has party chat and free,in fact on PS4 is free to.

By the way fallowing your line party chat,the PSD4 support it cross platform,so you can talk with Vita and even PC owners so how is the one on xbox one better this time around.? So 1 point for the PS4.?

Also Party chat and cross invites,did little to help the xbox one with lag and cheaters,party chat did not help with that so if a game was laggy like gears was party chat serve you for nothing it was basically something to justify been rip off by MS,in fact PSN got HOME which was actually 100 times better than party chat,virtual place,play games for free launch games from inside home after been there with your friend and was totally free.

Dude those 300,000 are for Office 365,xbox live and several other cloud based stuff MS has,there is a bigger chance that more million of people use it for office 365 than for xbox,is not free in any way but supposely cheaper,remember MS is in for the money,they will charge for those servers juts like Amazon or google would,so if developers actually want to pay for those servers they would go for them is not warranty,and on a time were companies are trying to save on all fronts and do more with less,is highly likely that you see many P2P games on xbox one.

In fact Titan fall look like sh** and is not even confirm to be 1080p,Killzone SF mops the floor with it while been 1080p and online 60 FPS,so much for the cloud argument,in fact have you notice how recently MS has been talking about hardware,and how the difference will not be much and they don't even mention the cloud any more.? They know people have discredit the whole crappy cloud claims no one bought it..

So now servers are great.? Gotcha Soony has been using them for games since Socom on 2002 while MS ripped you off with a friend lies with P2P for $50.

both consoles will be similar exccept that xbox live will have dedicated servers for most if not all games.

Sony will be stuck with p2p 4 lyfe.

Evo_nine

"The system as a whole has a massive chunk of hardware devoted to AV tasks, enough to make background encoding, decoding, playback, scaling, and the rest about as seamless as possible to the gamer. AV should just work and gaming should just work regardless of what the other is doing, something the PS4 should do as well but in a very different way. Then again the majority of this functionality is available in a <$100 Android box so it isnt a standout feature if you follow tech at all.

Then there are the GPUs themselves, the Achilles heel of the XBox One. While there is nothing wrong with them per se, they are a slightly older revision than used in the PS4 but the differences are small enough to be ignorable. What does matter is that the PS4 has about 50% more units at roughly the same clocks, 1152 at ~800MHz vs 768 at 853MHz, a massive difference. Couple this with the vastly more user-friendly 8GB GDDR5 memory design and you have a clean kill for Sony on performance.

Microsoft made a really impressive SoC that is a multimedia monster with a bit of gaming ability, technically speaking it is quite impressive that they pulled it off. Not to take anything away from the hardware designers but Microsoft management simply aimed wrong. Sony made a gaming machine, Microsoft did not. Sony made a clean design for coders, Microsoft did not. Microsoft made a complex technical masterpiece that is in a no-mans land between a far <$100 Android media center and the PS4. Sony just did right for gamers and won the battle."

http://semiaccurate.com/2013/09/03/xbox-ones-sound-block-is-much-more-than-audio/

Wickerman777

And this is basically the whole story,MS made a multimedia box,they did not target ultra powerful hardware,which sony also didn't target by the way,they really really believe that people wanted this,when people have more than a year ifghting on forums dismissing this are just rumors and claiming MS would not do that,MS blindly enough actually goes ahead,and release the spec and the whole Tv crap,with always online and DRM no uses games and people freak and to make it worse for $500 dollars,how can this be,after all the storm that hit them,they decy to backtrack on everything bad.

And this is fun because Major Nelson it self say that the bad features were here to stick because it wasn't as easy as flipping a switch to change thos policies,and just a week latter switch flipped all bad policies are gone,funny enough they fire Matrick and then start a campaign to minimize the PS4 advantages,and some how make the xbox seem on par with the PS4.

So they upclock the GPU at last minute same with the CPU which is a pathetic attend to fool people into thinking that speed of those will actually mean higher than PS4 performance or on par,hell even Panello twitted 1.7 > 1.6 without they even know if the real speed of the PS4 CPU is 1.6ghz.

Now some how 12 CU are better than 18 because by some mistery force in the univers or a black hole or supernova,some how the right balance for a GPU is 14CU,fun part is they don't have 14 CU usable they have 12,and they actually claim sony agree with them using false statements like 14+4 CU on PS4 which was kill by cerny long ago,the whole 14+4 comes from the fact that sony was pushing developers to use 4 CU for compute which would deliver a incredible blow to the xbox one,since the PS4 was modify to run compute alone side graphics without hurting graphics on the xbox one that is not the case,and having only 12 CU will deliver a hit graphically if you attend to compensate with any of those.

In the end the xbox one is the result of MS wrong vission of what people wanted,now they want to pretend both consoles are on par while using the same GCN family of GPU.

 

Yes. The XB1 is a true "next gen media/gaming device", the PS4 is a "next gen console". Time will tell if consumers prefer one or the other. Personally, I chose XB1 (first, I'll eventually get a PS4) because it is more than a gaming console.

StormyJoe

Big surprice there..:lol:

If pre-orders are anything to go by i think people are chosing already which is best.

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

Yes. The XB1 is a true "next gen media/gaming device", the PS4 is a "next gen console". Time will tell if consumers prefer one or the other. Personally, I chose XB1 (first, I'll eventually get a PS4) because it is more than a gaming console.

tormentos

Big surprice there..:lol:

If pre-orders are anything to go by i think people are chosing already which is best.

I have never said otherwise. However, unlike super cows like yourself with the XB1, I can appreciate what Sony has done with the PS4, and will get one.

both consoles will be similar exccept that xbox live will have dedicated servers for most if not all games.

 

"Sony will be stuck with p2p 4 lyfe." Lie, it is your opinion. :roll:

Evo_nine

They will be even more similar than last gen.  You can't go wrong.

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Douevenlift_bro

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

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Kaz_Son

:roll:

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

Yes. The XB1 is a true "next gen media/gaming device", the PS4 is a "next gen console". Time will tell if consumers prefer one or the other. Personally, I chose XB1 (first, I'll eventually get a PS4) because it is more than a gaming console.

StormyJoe

Big surprice there..:lol:

If pre-orders are anything to go by i think people are chosing already which is best.

I have never said otherwise. However, unlike super cows like yourself with the XB1, I can appreciate what Sony has done with the PS4, and will get one.

They will be even more similar than last gen.  You can't go wrong.

GOGOGOGURT

THe more then general public find out how bad the xbone will be the better, MS don't deserve the sales. There will always be the halo victims, but we can only hope people find out the truth before purchase.

[QUOTE="Antwan3K"]

thank you for proving my point.. Party chat, cross-game voice chat, cross-game invites, and more is what made online gaming on 360 an overall better experience than what was found on the PS3.. Sony spent the entire last generation lying to gamers, saying that cross-game voice chat was coming to PS3 until they eventually pulled the bait-and-switch and finally admitted that cross-game voice chat wasn't possible on PS3.. Once that happened, Sony fanboys (including myself) tried to convince themselves that party chat wasn't a big deal and PSN was better off without it.. Well now Sony has finally played catch up again and the PS4 will finally get functionality that the 360 has had for years already.. Congratulations..

So now, Microsoft is pushing over 300,000 servers with their Azure cloud network in order to boost the performance of Xbox Live with dedicated servers for all game developers, enhanced and dynamic matchmaking features and achievement services, and cloud computing capabilities while Sony is once again playing "wait and see", has nothing comparable to the size and scale of the Azure network, and even their Gaikai streaming service (which only is going to be used for streaming select PS3 games) isn't going to be ready until "sometime in 2014" while the developers of games like Forza 5 and Titanfall are implementing the advantages of the Xbox One's cloud services as we speak..

but let me guess: a huge cloud service like Azure "isn't a big deal" for an online multiplayer service just like party chat on the 360 wasn't a big deal either right?.. Gotcha.. It won't be a big deal until Sony finally plays catch up again 3~4 years from now and tries to release something similar.. Hopefully they've learned their lesson from last time and made the PS4 a bit more future proof so that gamers won't have to wait for the PS5 in order to get functionality that the Xbox One will already have been using for years like they did to us this generation with party chat..

tormentos

First of all Party chat was even block in COD in certain modes because it was use to cheat.

Second party chat wasn't possible on PS3 because sony reduce the OS memory usage to much,once the games have that memory part it wasn't impossible to take it away because those games would not work,in fact they tested it and it worked but several games had problems running,so sony could not doing without angrying some developers,but even the PSvita has party chat and free,in fact on PS4 is free to.

By the way fallowing your line party chat,the PSD4 support it cross platform,so you can talk with Vita and even PC owners so how is the one on xbox one better this time around.? So 1 point for the PS4.?

Also Party chat and cross invites,did little to help the xbox one with lag and cheaters,party chat did not help with that so if a game was laggy like gears was party chat serve you for nothing it was basically something to justify been rip off by MS,in fact PSN got HOME which was actually 100 times better than party chat,virtual place,play games for free launch games from inside home after been there with your friend and was totally free.

Dude those 300,000 are for Office 365,xbox live and several other cloud based stuff MS has,there is a bigger chance that more million of people use it for office 365 than for xbox,is not free in any way but supposely cheaper,remember MS is in for the money,they will charge for those servers juts like Amazon or google would,so if developers actually want to pay for those servers they would go for them is not warranty,and on a time were companies are trying to save on all fronts and do more with less,is highly likely that you see many P2P games on xbox one.

In fact Titan fall look like sh** and is not even confirm to be 1080p,Killzone SF mops the floor with it while been 1080p and online 60 FPS,so much for the cloud argument,in fact have you notice how recently MS has been talking about hardware,and how the difference will not be much and they don't even mention the cloud any more.? They know people have discredit the whole crappy cloud claims no one bought it..

So now servers are great.? Gotcha Soony has been using them for games since Socom on 2002 while MS ripped you off with a friend lies with P2P for $50.

to address the two "points" you managed to make during that rant, Xbox Live on Xbox 360 had universal party chat, cross-game voice chat, and cross-game invites.. PSN on PS3 didn't.. PERIOD.. Please take your fanboy goggles off for just a moment and acknowledge simple facts..

Now that PS4 has finally caught up to the Xbox 360 (which is a sad statement), the Xbox One pushes chat further with universal video chat via Skype with Kinect 2.0 and Snap View.. On the Xbox One you have a standard 1080p camera for HD video chat, it's the only place where you can do conference Skype video chat, and I can play video games, watch TV, watch movies, or anything else on the Xbox One while having Skype chat snapped in split screen multitasking.. This is not to mention the fact that Skype isn't limited to just Xbox One users for cross platform chat.. I can chat with any one of my friends or family that is using Skype on their smartphone, tablet, PC, Xbox One, or even PS Vita.. So yea, once again Sony has played catch up by finally getting Party Chat and Microsoft is charging forward with full Skype video chat integration that is coupled with the Kinect 2.0 (packed in every box) and Snap View.. Again, congratulations on still being two steps behind the competition..

also, another point you keep bringing up is lag and cheaters on the 360; something that was also on the PS3 and will surely be on the PS4 aswell.. But atleast Microsoft is working towards limiting and potentially eliminating those issues by heavily investing in cloud technology and services (Azure) in order to bolster their online infrastructure.. Meanwhile, as usual, Sony is gonna play "wait and see" and then play "catch up".. Two of their favorite games to play when it came to the PS2 Online and PSN on PS3.. As a Sony fan, I became tired of that same song and dance.. Now I'll be right there on the frontlines and cutting edge of console online multiplayer features with Xbox Live on Xbox One instead of spending yet another generation hoping and waiting on Sony to catch up..

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"] or if you are a actual gamer and likes games, the PS4 is the better choice in that regard, if your not really a gamer, the Xbox One is better for you ShaineTheNerd

So then, the only real gamers will be PS4 gamers? XB1 and PC users aren't real gamers?

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StormyJoe

:roll:

To be fair, there isnt any real argument