Xbox One will do just fine

From my earlier post. It will create a new higher class of gaming for a new gen of hardcore gamers. Not everyone will be able to enjoy this level of gaming, but not everyone gets to drive a Ferrari either. This will sort out the couch full of greasy monkeys playing Madden on a PS4 from the more sophisitcated gamer. FoxbatAlpha

MS will win the next gen, people said the same trash when XBL was pay to play OMG PAY TO PLAY WILL BE THE END OF MS BWHAHAHAHAHAHA ILL ENJOY FREE TO PLAY......not only did MS not DIE they BEAT sony this GEN! 

Far_RockNYC

Even though I think they might be making some mistakes, I have no doubts that XB1 will be successful. They will sell millions of consoles and have plenty of great exclusives over the years. These days, there are just too many games on multiple platforms.

The online connectivity, even being pretty dodgy, is secondary to the entire used games issues. No they didn't block used games, but they put a stranglehold on it that your only options (as far as we can see based on info) is the one place that will offer you the worst value for that game. Yeah I mean Gamestop, who are likely the only retailer of used games big enough to integrate Microsoft's disc registry system. The small independant stores (the few remaining in gamestop's monopoly) probably won't be in on this.

Want to seel through e-bay or directly to your friend without middleman coming in between? Not an option any more. Just lending the disc for them to try on the weekend and getting it back? Wishful thinking. And that "loan code" or what ever it is that has such limited usage is a pitiful substitution.

And on top of all that there's the price disadvntage. Being $100 more expensive (especially in todays economy) is a substantial barrier to Consumer Average.

After Sony's E3 announcement, Microsoft HAS to retract each and every DRM policy they issues if they want any chance of holding on the market share they gained in the 7th gen. Otherwise they'll know what Sony went through with PS3. Not that Xbox was in 1st place to begin with. They might not be "killed" as much as the hyperbole implies, but as things stand, they're looking at a major drop in market share, which undoes all the progress they made to now.

Awww MS already messed up, I think it will still do fine because they do have a lot of games so thats good, but the games look a lot less attractive compared to PS4 exclusives.

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

Not true if you live out in the country or in a small town chances are you won't have internet. ISP's are not going to spend money to serve a small number of people.

Ninja-Hippo

Clearly your a city man. There are many places in the USA that are not very populated and there is no internet. Hell some place have issues getting cell phones to work. This not in a 3rd world country but right here in the states. In some rual places the cost of the internet is insane due to it being wireless broadband. So many people right here will have issues with spybox1.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

Not true if you live out in the country or in a small town chances are you won't have internet. ISP's are not going to spend money to serve a small number of people.

no-scope-AK47

Clearly your a city man. There are many places in the USA that are not very populated and there is no internet. Hell some place have issues getting cell phones to work. This not in a 3rd world country but right here in the states. In some rual places the cost of the internet is insane due to it being wireless broadband. So many people right here will have issues with spybox1.

Honestly that doesn't matter, those aren't the people who bought consoles in massive numbers. They never were.

The online check is an issue because those systems always have issues and it's completely unnecessary. You shouldn't be justifying some unnecessary step just to play your games. 

We've got 2 comapnies providing great alternaties that don't have that unnecessary step. Vote with your wallet. If you're actually ok with a pointless step that could hamper your ability to play games then yeah, buy an Xbox One.

The Xbone is not going to die. However, Microsoft has guaranteed that they will be in second place for the next generation, because they are making all the same mistakes Sony made with the PS3, and far more. They might be able to start catching up if they re-work the Snap OS to work without Kinect, release a cheaper SKU with no Kinect included, and change the TOU to not require internet access and allow for used game sales (deployed soldiers are going to avoid the Xbone like the plague otherwise), but it willl be a slow, grueling process that will cost MS a lot of money and require them to move away from their vision of Xbone being a cable box. The damage has been done, and they will still be in second place behind Sony no matter how hard they try to retake the lead, but it's up to MS to decide how far behind Sony they want to finish.Timstuff

+1

Most Xbox gamers already rely on using LIVE and the first thing they do is sign into Xbox LIVE. So really the 24 check in deal is not going to be that big of an issue.

There is NO reason for 24 hour check ins... Light weight online DRM at max

When you buy a game digitally you can't rent, trade, loan or sell the game you bought. So in reality people have already been supporting DRM with the PS3 and Xbox 360.

umm ya... it's digital has in no disc... SO WTF you comparing?

As far as the Kinect goes you can disable it completely if you want to.

lol. If you can't pull the cable out without the system bricking then it's not off. 

Xbox has some of the best exclusives in gaming and 3rd party support

full opinion there buddy

Xbox LIVE is the best online gaming service for consoles

not that much better... IF this was 2006-2010 then i would 100% agree. and since Sony be charging now they will have money to do stuff

The price tag while it is more expensive than the PS4 the price is about right with the Kinect included.

$100 of kinect that handful of people don't even want...

So all in all the Xbox One really doesn't deserve all the hate that it's getting. While I understand why some people would be upset with the way that Microsoft is handling used games just look at digital games you can't even trade those in! So my prediction is that it will do just fine after people realize that they are just blowing shi** out of proportion on the Xbox One. What it's really going to come down to is GAMES and the Xbox One has plenty to go up against the PS4.

whitetiger3521

xbox one deserves every bit of hate...

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] I have never come across a town in my life with literally no internet. Just hasn't happened. I've said it in other threads; i've been in dirt-poor 3rd world countries and they still had internet. I slept in a tree-house hostel in a forest and it still had wi-fi. I'm perfectly fine with the people saying they don't give a **** about multiplayer games and only play single player. Xbone will obviously alienate you. But the people saying 'what about everyone with no internet' just make me laugh. Until I actually see someone who *has* no internet, but that's yet to happen. Wasdie

Clearly your a city man. There are many places in the USA that are not very populated and there is no internet. Hell some place have issues getting cell phones to work. This not in a 3rd world country but right here in the states. In some rual places the cost of the internet is insane due to it being wireless broadband. So many people right here will have issues with spybox1.

Honestly that doesn't matter, those aren't the people who bought consoles in massive numbers. They never were.

The online check is an issue because those systems always have issues and it's completely unnecessary. You shouldn't be justifying some unnecessary step just to play your games. 

We've got 2 comapnies providing great alternaties that don't have that unnecessary step. Vote with your wallet. If you're actually ok with a pointless step that could hamper your ability to play games then yeah, buy an Xbox One.

It will do fine but it doesn't deserve to with those shitty policies.

The online check is an issue because those systems always have issues and it's completely unnecessary. You shouldn't be justifying some unnecessary step just to play your games.

We've got 2 comapnies providing great alternaties that don't have that unnecessary step. Vote with your wallet. If you're actually ok with a pointless step that could hamper your ability to play games then yeah, buy an Xbox One.

Wasdie

/Thread.

Hard to say it will do fine when I won't be getting an xbox this year.

Switching back to Sony is a mentality many of us have.

Most Xbox gamers already rely on using LIVE and the first thing they do is sign into Xbox LIVE. So really the 24 check in deal is not going to be that big of an issue.

When you buy a game digitally you can't rent, trade, loan or sell the game you bought. So in reality people have already been supporting DRM with the PS3 and Xbox 360.

As far as the Kinect goes you can disable it completely if you want to.

Xbox has some of the best exclusives in gaming and 3rd party support

Xbox LIVE is the best online gaming service for consoles

The price tag while it is more expensive than the PS4 the price is about right with the Kinect included.

So all in all the Xbox One really doesn't deserve all the hate that it's getting. While I understand why some people would be upset with the way that Microsoft is handling used games just look at digital games you can't even trade those in! So my prediction is that it will do just fine after people realize that they are just blowing shi** out of proportion on the Xbox One. What it's really going to come down to is GAMES and the Xbox One has plenty to go up against the PS4.

whitetiger3521

you forgot to mention hardware, and how hardware will lead to worse multiplat for the xbox one.

In the end its all about the games, and right now the Xbox has tons more games than the PS4.Miketheman83

The fact is that with all this always online/ DRM BS MS ahs made it not all about the games anymore.

I wouldn't be so certain. The restrictions implented by Microsoft on the Xbox One are enough to make people want to buy a different platform for gaming. Add in that their main competitor (Sony) is releasing a more powerful console at a cheaper price and with no restrictions. Microsoft has set themselves up for failure and it's truly disappointing that their core audience doesn't realize just how hard Microsoft is screwing them over.

It will do decent.

But I in no way, shape, or form, see it pulling Xbox 360 numbers. Just no way.

In the end its all about the games, and right now the Xbox has tons more games than the PS4.Miketheman83

You sound like a Seventh Generation Cow. You know that, right?

i don't see why anyone in their right mind would buy the xbox unless you are just completely devoted to microsoft and need to play halo.  Destiny is going to be the game to play anyways.  ps3 is still where it's at for a while anyways.  you are right though.  there are a lot of silly people out there who will spin things to support whatever crazy agenda they have.  So in that regard people will buy it.  It's a brand.  People will still see xbox and say mommy i want that.  oh its more expensive it must be better.   when they dont research it.   people will walk into best buy and some salesman will be talking to people who have no idea what they are doing and the salesman will be all nonchalant and say something like oh yeah the xbox is still good though because he's a salesman and htey will buy it.  Or even some crazy xbox fanboy will be the salesman.  

this is what microsoft is betting on.  peoples ignorance.   marketing.  paying people off to say certain things to feed the insanity.

I have internet but I feel it is insane for my console I bought to stop working if it can't connect to the net. I think it is crazy if I unplug the mic/cam that my console will stop working. I think it is insane that I buy a physical copy of a game and then have my options limited to what ms/publishers want me to do. I also don't like the fact that I must get psn+ (I have it already) to game online with the ps4. That said clearly Sony is the lesser of the two evils or go wii u. I still have my gaming pc and old consoles if the next gen goes sideways. I am going to vote with my wallet and buy used games and sell my games to who ever the @#$! I want.

Hell the spybox cost more is less powerful and has major restrictions why would I spend money with them. Now some xbots can't live with out live and God bless them but I really feel Sony is going to win this gen as things stand. The wii u with a price cut could move units as well. Clearly the wii u needs a prce cut as it is only 50 bucks cheaper than the mighty ps4 with way more features.

I have never hated a console till now. The only thing that comes close is when steam first came out on pc. Now steam got me to bite when the price was right and most of their games had no drm.

[QUOTE="Miketheman83"]In the end its all about the games, and right now the Xbox has tons more games than the PS4.turtlethetaffer

The fact is that with all this always online/ DRM BS MS ahs made it not all about the games anymore.

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

[QUOTE="Miketheman83"]In the end its all about the games, and right now the Xbox has tons more games than the PS4.Miketheman83

The fact is that with all this always online/ DRM BS MS ahs made it not all about the games anymore.

I recommend you browse more than just System Wars. No critic or journalist is focusing on the Xbox One's games right now, only it's restrictions.

Kinect wasn't as popular as they hoped last generation and now they're forcing it on us again. Honestly, I'd rather they sell a version without it and drop the price down $100. My guess is that you're correct and it will do just fine because Xbox is relying on the Apple method of advertising.  Give people a steaming pile of crap on a nice plate and they'll love it for the plate. 

 

I have internet but I feel it is insane for my console I bought to stop working if it can't connect to the net. I think it is crazy if I unplug the mic/cam that my console will stop working. I think it is insane that I buy a physical copy of a game and then have my options limited to what ms/publishers want me to do. I also don't like the fact that I must get psn+ (I have it already) to game online with the ps4. That said clearly Sony is the lesser of the two evils or go wii u. I still have my gaming pc and old consoles if the next gen goes sideways. I am going to vote with my wallet and buy used games and sell my games to who ever the @#$! I want.

Hell the spybox cost more is less powerful and has major restrictions why would I spend money with them. Now some xbots can't live with out live and God bless them but I really feel Sony is going to win this gen as things stand. The wii u with a price cut could move units as well. Clearly the wii u needs a prce cut as it is only 50 bucks cheaper than the mighty ps4 with way more features.

I have never hated a console till now. The only thing that comes close is when steam first came out on pc. Now steam got me to bite when the price was right and most of their games had no drm.

no-scope-AK47

Of course it'll do fine because the world has a sub-species of man called idiots that will still buy it...

[QUOTE="Miketheman83"][QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

The fact is that with all this always online/ DRM BS MS ahs made it not all about the games anymore.

Zophar87

I recommend you browse more than just System Wars. No critic or journalist is focusing on the Xbox One's games right now, only it's restrictions.

Kinect wasn't as popular as they hoped last generation and now they're forcing it on us again. Honestly, I'd rather they sell a version without it and drop the price down $100. My guess is that you're correct and it will do just fine because Xbox is relying on the Apple method of advertising.  Give people a steaming pile of crap on a nice plate and they'll love it for the plate. 

UnknownSniper65

I still would not buy a cheaper sku if it has the same restrictions. That would just be feeding the beast. I will spend money any place else than with this rubbish spybox one crap.

[QUOTE="Zophar87"]

[QUOTE="Miketheman83"] Nah not really. Games will convince people to buy the console regardless.Miketheman83

I recommend you browse more than just System Wars. No critic or journalist is focusing on the Xbox One's games right now, only it's restrictions.

So were Wii U preorders. You cannot seriously use that logic.

Most Xbox gamers already rely on using LIVE and the first thing they do is sign into Xbox LIVE. So really the 24 check in deal is not going to be that big of an issue.

When you buy a game digitally you can't rent, trade, loan or sell the game you bought. So in reality people have already been supporting DRM with the PS3 and Xbox 360.

As far as the Kinect goes you can disable it completely if you want to.

Xbox has some of the best exclusives in gaming and 3rd party support

Xbox LIVE is the best online gaming service for consoles

The price tag while it is more expensive than the PS4 the price is about right with the Kinect included.

So all in all the Xbox One really doesn't deserve all the hate that it's getting. While I understand why some people would be upset with the way that Microsoft is handling used games just look at digital games you can't even trade those in! So my prediction is that it will do just fine after people realize that they are just blowing shi** out of proportion on the Xbox One. What it's really going to come down to is GAMES and the Xbox One has plenty to go up against the PS4.

whitetiger3521

me no like xbox vely bad to consumer get kinect and cable box no.

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

[QUOTE="Miketheman83"]In the end its all about the games, and right now the Xbox has tons more games than the PS4.Miketheman83

The fact is that with all this always online/ DRM BS MS ahs made it not all about the games anymore.

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

Kinect wasn't as popular as they hoped last generation and now they're forcing it on us again. Honestly, I'd rather they sell a version without it and drop the price down $100. My guess is that you're correct and it will do just fine because Xbox is relying on the Apple method of advertising.  Give people a steaming pile of crap on a nice plate and they'll love it for the plate. 

no-scope-AK47

I still would not buy a cheaper sku if it has the same restrictions. That would just be feeding the beast. I will spend money any place else than with this rubbish spybox one crap.

I'm of the same opinion quite frankly. PS4 does almost everything that the Xbox One does at a cheaper price. 

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]I don't see how they're going to do that well selling in such a small part of the world. They've cut their market presence by nearly two thirds. NathanDrakeSwag

Not only that but there are still millions of people in America, UK and Europe without internet or with crappy internet so that shrinks their market even more. Then there are all the people in those countries who won't support the Xbones game policy. M$ is selling to an incredibly small group of people.

[QUOTE="Zophar87"]

[QUOTE="Miketheman83"] Nah not really. Games will convince people to buy the console regardless.Miketheman83

I recommend you browse more than just System Wars. No critic or journalist is focusing on the Xbox One's games right now, only it's restrictions.

But far below PS4 now....

[QUOTE="NathanDrakeSwag"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]I don't see how they're going to do that well selling in such a small part of the world. They've cut their market presence by nearly two thirds. FoxbatAlpha

Not only that but there are still millions of people in America, UK and Europe without internet or with crappy internet so that shrinks their market even more. Then there are all the people in those countries who won't support the Xbones game policy. M$ is selling to an incredibly small group of people.

You are probably trolling, but you are right to a large extent.

Sony is hurting financially and the PS4 is going to make it worse. The people complaining about needing an internet connection (who are posting while connected to the internet), and not being able to buy and sell used games easily enough are not the type that will be profitable sales for Sony.

Sony may sell more boxes this time if they manage to stay in business long enough, but each system they sell to the used game fans will be costing them money and putting them further in the financial hole.

Microsoft may sell fewer boxes, but they will be making money on the majority of them as will the game publishers and developers that support the XBox One. Microsoft is playing it smart this time.

[QUOTE="FoxbatAlpha"][QUOTE="NathanDrakeSwag"]

Not only that but there are still millions of people in America, UK and Europe without internet or with crappy internet so that shrinks their market even more. Then there are all the people in those countries who won't support the Xbones game policy. M$ is selling to an incredibly small group of people.

Esfan13

You are probably trolling, but you are right to a large extent.

Sony is hurting financially and the PS4 is going to make it worse. The people complaining about needing an internet connection (who are posting while connected to the internet), and not being able to buy and sell used games easily enough are not the type that will be profitable sales for Sony.

Sony may sell more boxes this time if they manage to stay in business long enough, but each system they sell to the used game fans will be costing them money and putting them further in the financial hole.

Microsoft may sell fewer boxes, but they will be making money on the majority of them as will the game publishers and developers that support the XBox One. Microsoft is playing it smart this time.

[QUOTE="NathanDrakeSwag"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]I don't see how they're going to do that well selling in such a small part of the world. They've cut their market presence by nearly two thirds. FoxbatAlpha

Not only that but there are still millions of people in America, UK and Europe without internet or with crappy internet so that shrinks their market even more. Then there are all the people in those countries who won't support the Xbones game policy. M$ is selling to an incredibly small group of people.

If this is trolling, you just made grade 1 students look like Harvard scholars :|

[QUOTE="FoxbatAlpha"][QUOTE="NathanDrakeSwag"]

Not only that but there are still millions of people in America, UK and Europe without internet or with crappy internet so that shrinks their market even more. Then there are all the people in those countries who won't support the Xbones game policy. M$ is selling to an incredibly small group of people.

Esfan13

You are probably trolling, but you are right to a large extent.

Sony is hurting financially and the PS4 is going to make it worse. The people complaining about needing an internet connection (who are posting while connected to the internet), and not being able to buy and sell used games easily enough are not the type that will be profitable sales for Sony.

Sony may sell more boxes this time if they manage to stay in business long enough, but each system they sell to the used game fans will be costing them money and putting them further in the financial hole.

Microsoft may sell fewer boxes, but they will be making money on the majority of them as will the game publishers and developers that support the XBox One. Microsoft is playing it smart this time.

[QUOTE="FoxbatAlpha"][QUOTE="NathanDrakeSwag"]

Not only that but there are still millions of people in America, UK and Europe without internet or with crappy internet so that shrinks their market even more. Then there are all the people in those countries who won't support the Xbones game policy. M$ is selling to an incredibly small group of people.

AdobeArtist

If this is trolling, you just made grade 1 students look like Harvard scholars :|

[QUOTE="FoxbatAlpha"][QUOTE="NathanDrakeSwag"]

Not only that but there are still millions of people in America, UK and Europe without internet or with crappy internet so that shrinks their market even more. Then there are all the people in those countries who won't support the Xbones game policy. M$ is selling to an incredibly small group of people.

AdobeArtist

If this is trolling, you just made grade 1 students look like Harvard scholars :|

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

[QUOTE="FoxbatAlpha"] PS4 is for people who are failing at life. Sony is giving them entry level entertainment designed by poor people, for poor people.LJS9502_basic

If this is trolling, you just made grade 1 students look like Harvard scholars :|

[QUOTE="shawn30"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

I wouldn't be to quick to assume that. The market is way different than when the 7th gen launched. Social media and the fact that your average consumer is more well informed on average is going to make people aware of these differences.

People aren't going to ignore the fact that the thing is launching $100 over its competition.

Microsoft doesn't have a head start this time and their competition isn't fumbling the ball at every chance they get. They got last gen handed to them thanks to Sony being ridiculous at the beginning and Nintendo breaking off into a new market. Now they are the ones everybody is looking too and they are just failing.

guard12

I agree yet I dont agree with you Wasdie. MS is incredible at marketing and has the money to fuel a bombardment of ads to hype it up if they do choose to do so. And yes, we are a more informed public now due to the rise of social media but, to non-core gamers they are gonna just stick to what they know and by name which is Xbox. Its the same thing for apple really. People buy apple products just cause of the name.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

If this is trolling, you just made grade 1 students look like Harvard scholars :|

FoxbatAlpha

[QUOTE="guard12"]

[QUOTE="shawn30"] So everything MS achieved last gen for 7 years was ONLy cause Sony messed up at the start and MS had a one year head start? Incredible Cow logic.MBirdy88

I agree yet I dont agree with you Wasdie. MS is incredible at marketing and has the money to fuel a bombardment of ads to hype it up if they do choose to do so. And yes, we are a more informed public now due to the rise of social media but, to non-core gamers they are gonna just stick to what they know and by name which is Xbox. Its the same thing for apple really. People buy apple products just cause of the name.

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="guard12"]

I agree yet I dont agree with you Wasdie. MS is incredible at marketing and has the money to fuel a bombardment of ads to hype it up if they do choose to do so. And yes, we are a more informed public now due to the rise of social media but, to non-core gamers they are gonna just stick to what they know and by name which is Xbox. Its the same thing for apple really. People buy apple products just cause of the name.

LJS9502_basic