imo the performance in racing games is more important because the whole point of them is measuring and challenging your performance and you challenging your own performance. But I'd also prefer to play FPSs at no lower than 60fps.
As much as I'd like to play no games below 60fps, there are some it probably wouldn't bother me much. Are RPGs not somewhat slow paced for example? Or a Zelda game.
I think even on the PS5 and Series X, you're going to see more 30fps games now. And a performance mode isn't guaranteed since developers don't want to see their game look like shit.
Even on the PS5, this would have been 30fps. I'd suggest people start considering a move to the PC if this bothers them. I always said that a 60fps standard for consoles wasn't sustainable. And the moment cross gen games stop releasing, consoles start struggling and now 30fps is starting to creep back in.
60fps ONLY works on the PC, because people can personalise the settings and can upgrade their GPU. But on consoles, not only can you not upgrade, but graphics sell games and consoles, so 30fps will always be a target so developers can push the GPU.
The funniest thing for me will be watching the console fanboys now having to back track and excuse this after "sampling" the 60fps life and trashing 30fps. XD
Digital Foundry was spot on:
Why the return of 30fps console games is inevitable
More ambitious games push hardware further - and something has to give.
Weird. I find performance more important in FPSs than racing games.
Its just how he is trying to cope with the 30fps cap on starfield. We all know he used Performance Mode when available. Kvally is coping a lot as of late.
Now now Hard. This is not the attitude you had when we woke up this morning and you made me breakfast in your apron.
No matter how hard you cope, 30fps is the maximum you can achieved while i'll be playing the game at 80fps+. THis is sad, real sad.
you have a series s and nothing else you billy bullshitter you!
Do these people know that the game is running at an unplayable 30fps?
Well, I didn't. Now that I do, lol wtf.
it doesn't matter even if it is. The thing with some xbox games, especially first party games is that they have a feature called play anywhere. Even if the game is low performance now, you can play the game on a pc, or even on the next gen xbox. Either way, you get access to multiple versions. Sadly not all games support the play anywhere feature, because of greed. The developers want you to buy the same game multiple times for different devices. Only saint phil and microsoft allow you to carry their games on multile platforms.
Are we at a point of relying on a next gen Xbox that isn't even a certainty to come out in 5-6 years to damage control the 30fps that is happening in 2023?🤡🤡🤡
the only people who think there is "damage" to "control" are you cows. I don't know a single Xbox owner (in the real world) who gives two sh*ts the game is at 30fps. Everyone I know is just excited to play it when it comes out.
You might want to feed that green monster, it may bite your ear off.
it doesn't matter even if it is. The thing with some xbox games, especially first party games is that they have a feature called play anywhere. Even if the game is low performance now, you can play the game on a pc, or even on the next gen xbox. Either way, you get access to multiple versions. Sadly not all games support the play anywhere feature, because of greed. The developers want you to buy the same game multiple times for different devices. Only saint phil and microsoft allow you to carry their games on multile platforms.
Are we at a point of relying on a next gen Xbox that isn't even a certainty to come out in 5-6 years to damage control the 30fps that is happening in 2023?🤡🤡🤡
the only people who think there is "damage" to "control" are you cows. I don't know a single Xbox owner (in the real world) who gives two sh*ts the game is at 30fps. Everyone I know is just excited to play it when it comes out.
You might want to feed that green monster, it may bite your ear off.
That on its own is damage control. Your xbox owners you know in real life are so casual that they wouldn't even be able to tell the difference between 30 and 144fps, so lets pretend like nobody cares that the game is running at the bare minimum, the frame rate the N64 used to aim for😆😆😆
@Mozelleple112: Yeah, but you are gaming on a PC. So, by your metaphor
Your girl is pretty, but quite a needy b*tch. Moreover, you are constantly having to tweak your relationship just so she'll give you some sugar. On top of that, while your happy at your pretty girl at 120fps; I have a girl that is just about as pretty, but I didn't have to buy a f**king Ferrari in order to get her.
I won't even go into the size of my screen compared to yours...
Weird. I find performance more important in FPSs than racing games.
Its just how he is trying to cope with the 30fps cap on starfield. We all know he used Performance Mode when available. Kvally is coping a lot as of late.
Now now Hard. This is not the attitude you had when we woke up this morning and you made me breakfast in your apron.
No matter how hard you cope, 30fps is the maximum you can achieved while i'll be playing the game at 80fps+. THis is sad, real sad.
you have a series s and nothing else you billy bullshitter you!
Do these people know that the game is running at an unplayable 30fps?
Well, I didn't. Now that I do, lol wtf.
it doesn't matter even if it is. The thing with some xbox games, especially first party games is that they have a feature called play anywhere. Even if the game is low performance now, you can play the game on a pc, or even on the next gen xbox. Either way, you get access to multiple versions. Sadly not all games support the play anywhere feature, because of greed. The developers want you to buy the same game multiple times for different devices. Only saint phil and microsoft allow you to carry their games on multile platforms.
Are we at a point of relying on a next gen Xbox that isn't even a certainty to come out in 5-6 years to damage control the 30fps that is happening in 2023?🤡🤡🤡
the only people who think there is "damage" to "control" are you cows. I don't know a single Xbox owner (in the real world) who gives two sh*ts the game is at 30fps. Everyone I know is just excited to play it when it comes out.
You might want to feed that green monster, it may bite your ear off.
what? xbox always made damage control of cows for there ps4 AAA 30fps titles.
halo is 60fps have fun with your 30fps games.
sony games are movie games yet starfield going to be a story driven open world game yet its still loved by xbox fans.
every fan base does the same thing not just cows.
nin fans use first party sales figures saying both sony and xbox have crappy exclusives.
then xbox fans with series x power and teraflops saying more xbox games are 120fps. over and over again. or ps5 games will be 30fps while series x 60fps
12 teraflops of power thats 2 teraflops thats like half of a ps4.
@dabear: You play at 30 fps. You get cucked. You don't get to touch the girl. playing at 30 fps is worse than not playing. Simply not engaging with another person is better than getting cucked.
I would rather *not* play a game, than force myself through vomit-inducing 30 fps. I literally stopped playing FF16 because of the dips below 60 fps (35-55fps felt awful).
PC Chad gets to do whatever he wants with her (and she likes PC Chad, and really resents Xbox, hence why she friendzones him)
And my screen is a 77" OLED lol, it doesn't get that much bigger/better unless you have MicroLED. In which case the most expensive gaming PC is less than a percentile of that cost.
Another comparison in the Starfield debate:
PS5: Is hungry, really wants a steak, but has no steak in the fridge. Goes to bed hungry. (or eats something else, like a really good pizza)
Xbox: is allowed to SMELL the steak and FEEL the steak, but PC master (who bought the steak) does not allow Box to eat the steak. you can smell the cooking while PC Chad cooks and watch him eat it.
PC: PC gets to enjoy and savour every flavour of this delicious steak.
I'd rather go to bed hungry than sit and smell foods I can't eat lmao.
@hardwenzen: the only 🤡 here is you and you've been doing an amazing job of it. All of us xbox fans have high end gaming pcs, its true.
On top of the 12 tflop BEAST xbox series X, I also have a high end gaming pc with ryzen 7 3700, 16gb of ram (which i'm going to upgrade to 64gb), a super fast SSD and an intel arc a770. Other xbox fans have way better PC than me.
So if us xbox fans feel like 30fps is too little, we can easily shift over to our high end rigs. But I don't think we would even care, 30fps is fine, and i'm sure bethesda will optimize it and offer more performance down the road.
@hardwenzen: the only 🤡 here is you and you've been doing an amazing job of it. All of us xbox fans have high end gaming pcs, its true.
On top of the 12 tflop BEAST xbox series X, I also have a high end gaming pc with ryzen 7 3700, 16gb of ram (which i'm going to upgrade to 64gb), a super fast SSD and an intel arc a770. Other xbox fans have way better PC than me.
So if us xbox fans feel like 30fps is too little, we can easily shift over to our high end rigs. But I don't think we would even care, 30fps is fine, and i'm sure bethesda will optimize it and offer more performance down the road.
Nobody is dumb enough to buy a gaming pc, and own an X, which is nothing else but a Welfare pc with the exact same games. Sorry, you tried, and just like your NFT investments, it failed miserably.
@hardwenzen: You kinda are making my point. Thanks.
The issue here is that YOU are the food, not us. We have standards. Why? Because over generations, Sony has conditioned us to have the highest of standards with GOTY winner titles. You never had this golden opportunity with Microsoft, so you accept whatever is given, and pretend its good. Foolish. Really is a foolish behaviour, dabear.
@hardwenzen: lots of people are dumb enough. Me I just like supporting Microsoft and Xbox. I like the ecosystem for Xbox, so I prefer gaming on it over pc. My pc was meant more for work than anything else but I ended up buying an arc a770. So I modified my office pc into a gaming pc. This is why it has an older 2nd gen amd cpu, and only 16gb of ram.
Cost of upgrade wasn't that much and it gives me flexibility.
imo the performance in racing games is more important because the whole point of them is measuring and challenging your performance and you challenging your own performance. But I'd also prefer to play FPSs at no lower than 60fps.
As much as I'd like to play no games below 60fps, there are some it probably wouldn't bother me much. Are RPGs not somewhat slow paced for example? Or a Zelda game.
I think even on the PS5 and Series X, you're going to see more 30fps games now. And a performance mode isn't guaranteed since developers don't want to see their game look like shit.
Even on the PS5, this would have been 30fps. I'd suggest people start considering a move to the PC if this bothers them. I always said that a 60fps standard for consoles wasn't sustainable. And the moment cross gen games stop releasing, consoles start struggling and now 30fps is starting to creep back in.
60fps ONLY works on the PC, because people can personalise the settings and can upgrade their GPU. But on consoles, not only can you not upgrade, but graphics sell games and consoles, so 30fps will always be a target so developers can push the GPU.
The funniest thing for me will be watching the console fanboys now having to back track and excuse this after "sampling" the 60fps life and trashing 30fps. XD
Digital Foundry was spot on:
Why the return of 30fps console games is inevitable
More ambitious games push hardware further - and something has to give.
Demon's Souls, Miles Morales, GoW: Ragnarok, R&C Rift Apart (amongst others), need a graphically downgraded "performance mode" to achieve 60fps.
Otherwise, they're 30 fps.
You failed again.
Downgrade eh? Looks better than anything you can dream of having on your X, and is in 60fps.
In your dreams.
Dreams what? Literally a launch title that looks better than anything on the X, including the 30fps Starfield. Talent is what Sony has, and what MS doesn't. Sad.
@hardwenzen: Everything you say, but in particular the last few comments.
I gave you pictures proof taken by myself🤡🤡🤡Nothing on you X approaches this kind of lighting and textures quality, and all at 60fps. Moan more, dabear, but it won't help your cause.
Demon's Souls, Miles Morales, GoW: Ragnarok, R&C Rift Apart (amongst others), need a graphically downgraded "performance mode" to achieve 60fps.
Otherwise, they're 30 fps.
You failed again.
Downgrade eh? Looks better than anything you can dream of having on your X, and is in 60fps.
In your dreams.
Dreams what? Literally a launch title that looks better than anything on the X, including the 30fps Starfield. Talent is what Sony has, and what MS doesn't. Sad.
Cows can talk when and if they ever have a game that looks better than MSFS 2020 and Forza Horizon 5. Until then, take your 20 year old garbage ports to the dump.
@hardwenzen: mmm. Seems like going to be more of the same in 2024…is that what you mean by “highest of standards”?
Eh, don’t worry…at least Sony haven’t committed to GAAS titles in the future.
Oh wait.
It won't be the same in 2024. Unless you have proof that there's absolutely nothing worthwhile, you're just being an Assuming Andy.
There’s Wolverine announced for a possible 2024 release…another Superduperhero game, and Ronin, which is yet another “Hit X to kill” 3rd person action adventure looking like the last samurai title. Unless you have other games I haven’t heard about….Andy has assumed right. Don’t worry though, there’s plenty of Xbox games coming in 2024 for your PC.
Seems like Bethesda RPGs still bringing the hype train.
I'm not even that excited for starfield, I'll give it a go on gamepass. But damn that seems like a significant jump just for a single title that also on PC. Interesting. Maybe this is from the PS5 owners with no PC caving in for the Bethesda RPGs.
@ghostofgolden said:
That’s the “movers and shakers” chart… All that movement just to end up here overall. And Starfield is 42nd in my region. Context matters folks…
@daredevils2k said:
1000% from what ? That only tells me that the xbsex was selling so poorly these past few months
@st_monica said:
I also looked at the video game sales rankings on Amazon USA.
It's still at #17, not even close to the PS5 at #9, even with the 1000% increase.
But hey, at least it managed to hold its own against the 7-year-old Switch (#19) right now.
An objective person would recognize that in that screen grab it was only their sales RANK that went up 1000%, and that changes daily. Context is everything. Units sold did not increase 1000% on Amazon. But PeterOvo, one of most notorius Xbox shills on Twitter isn't an objective person
@hardwenzen: Everything you say, but in particular the last few comments.
I gave you pictures proof taken by myself🤡🤡🤡Nothing on you X approaches this kind of lighting and textures quality, and all at 60fps. Moan more, dabear, but it won't help your cause.
heck its hard to find a game as good as a ps4 game nevermind ps5.
I mean why buy an Xbox when I can subscribe to gamepass for a month and just stream it in a browser? Which is exactly what Im going to do. MY PC is old as shit, so I can't run it natively, but Im not spending hundreds of dollars on one game
I mean why buy an Xbox when I can subscribe to gamepass for a month and just stream it in a browser? Which is exactly what Im going to do. MY PC is old as shit, so I can't run it natively, but Im not spending hundreds of dollars on one game
There is nothing wrong with that idea. That's my point - MS has made that an option for you, but cows want to say people like you do not exist.
Seems like Bethesda RPGs still bringing the hype train.
I'm not even that excited for starfield, I'll give it a go on gamepass. But damn that seems like a significant jump just for a single title that also on PC. Interesting. Maybe this is from the PS5 owners with no PC caving in for the Bethesda RPGs.
@ghostofgolden said:
That’s the “movers and shakers” chart… All that movement just to end up here overall. And Starfield is 42nd in my region. Context matters folks…
@daredevils2k said:
1000% from what ? That only tells me that the xbsex was selling so poorly these past few months
@st_monica said:
I also looked at the video game sales rankings on Amazon USA.
It's still at #17, not even close to the PS5 at #9, even with the 1000% increase.
But hey, at least it managed to hold its own against the 7-year-old Switch (#19) right now.
An objective person would recognize that in that screen grab it was only their sales RANK that went up 1000%, and that changes daily. Context is everything. Units sold did not increase 1000% on Amazon. But PeterOvo, one of most notorius Xbox shills on Twitter isn't an objective person
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Amazon currently sells 10 times more Xbox Series X consoles than usual. This increase in sales is the result of Microsoft’s latest marketing and promotions for the long-awaited release of the role-playing game.
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