Xbox still makes you buy batteries for their controllers because...

I do think they should include the battery in the charge kit with an Xbox controller. The USB-C cable included with it really isn't necessary since Xbox controllers already come with one. But, you can get third party rechargeable battery packs that can be recharged with the USB-C cable for $10, which would equal out the price with the PS5 controller.

Also, while plugging it in to charge is an option, that still doesn't solve the problem of if it dies during a game for any of those other reasons. And until just a couple months ago both controllers were micro USB which is notoriously trash. I wouldn't want to have to rely on being plugged in to play any game. When I tried that using the PS4 controller on PC via wire I would get constant disconnections just because of how shit micro USB was. So I plugged a micro USB cable into a wall charger and connected it to my PC with Bluetooth to get around the issue of momentary disconnects.

You could make a better case for relying on the cable now that they are both USB-C, and Xbox should include a cheap rechargeable pack, certainly. I also think they should upgrade their rumble technology and add a gyro. But at the end of the day this has got to be one of the most pointless discussions I've seen on this board.

Exposed? I am not the one having a meltdown arguing with gamers who play on PC, PS, Switch and Xbox and claiming they are all Xbox fanboys. Your stupid argument has been shutdown over and over and over and over and over again. Yet you believe that I am the one mad?

@eoten: Yes, I've told him several times and he just glosses over it, that I had numerous issues with DS4 and USB micro being finicky when plugged in. To the point where I needed to have two controllers just for myself, so that I never had to actually play and charge at the same time. A slight shift in my seat, or setting it down for a sec was always enough to jiggle the cable and cause it to disconnect/stop charging.

That is exactly the same issue I had. If I set the controller down on my desk, or shift position too much it'd disconnect. Until I got a Bluetooth adapter the PS4 controller was completely useless on PC. But, the XBO controller also had issues, again due to Micro USB. The problem is I couldn't do what I did with the PS4 controller and use the XBO via Bluetooth and plug it into a wall with power because the Bluetooth on Xbox controllers is noticeably weaker, and in that mode the controller would frequently become unresponsive as well.

It seems both controllers had bigger issues than battery.

Imagine being raked over the coals over batteries@tormentos. Jesus...

I had to do the same. Purchase an extra controller.😂

@kingtito: If MS thinks gamers care so much about options, then why did they include a internal battery in their most expensive controller? It's obviously the premium choice among gamers. And gameboy had to light a screen? Lol they weren't even backlit. They included an internal because that's what basically any current electronic device uses aside from some remotes. Sonys controller battery sucks, but others like MS elite 2 and Nintendos controller show how it's done the right way. And their charge last just as long or longer than replaceable AAs. Enjoy your option now because soon MS will have all their controllers use an internal battery, not just their high end model.

I'm not refuting anything you said, and it's all very informative, however my launch ds4 was still working without any hiccups right before I traded my ps4 in. My ds3 also all worked until I traded my launch ps3 in. Again I'm not refuting what you said, I'm just stating that as much gaming I did on both controllers, neither of my controllers just up n stop working. Both could still be charged and both can hold a charge for their official allotted times.

Let's face it though. With that bright ass LED on the front of the Xbox controller, if they had a rechargeable battery it'd be dead in an hour just powering that spotlight.

Thanks for confirming cows buy games that don't last longer than a set of AA batteries, and cows eat them up LOL.

I didn't knows you have to play a specific platform to be consider a fanboy.

This was your argument on this thread your first post.

Making consumer pay extra for batteries is not in consumers FAVOR, specially when you are the only one doing it.

You simply can't fallow your own argument and see the irony in them.

You got exposed.

You're adding the cost of batteries which you have no idea what the cost would be and then claim it's the same as the PS controller. Can't be as dumb as you clown

Why would I buy the play and charge kit when there are several other options? And does Sony sell an official licensed battery replacement? Don't see one so that means Sony wants you to buy a new controller clown. Add another $70

But I can use other batteries like Eneloop and get a back of 4 that'll last a decade. Options clown, Xbox has them Sony doesn't

Wrong clown, you have to buy a new controller since THAT is what Sony wants you to do. Sucks you're this dumb and can't comprehend

@Telekill: not sure if already posted but you can buy an xbox rechargeable battery for the remote. Had mine for years still works. Even after my cat chewed the wire and my son plugged it in wrong.

@tormentos: You are making a fool of yourself. Which you know I love when you do that. You can't even argue to save yourself nor can you argue against me.

Including a battery and caring aren't the same as having options. I don't know why MS didn't include a rechargeable battery, perhaps to save money since their controller is $59 and not $69. You having trouble defining options and caring?

Light a screen? Power the screen, you think it ran on flowers and rainbows?

And NOT the same thing as a controller which YOU seem to forget. Not to mention you just said it "aside from remotes" and wth do you think a controller is?

And when that time comes I won't bat an eye. I'm not the one crying on gaming forums about MS NOT using an internal battery in their controller. I like having the options but if they take it away then so be it since it's not a big deal for me. You cows seem to conveniently forget that part.

Everyone is ganking tormy 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@tormentos: 1. Oh so now the dual sense controller is more expensive? Funny, you tried to tell me “ The same with the PS5 controller now, hell xbox controller tend to be on the higher price side”.

You just did the maths for me! Xsx is between 50 and 60 bucks. A rechargeable pack is 20 bucks, which would put the price up to 70, 80 bucks.

I don’t want a rechargeable pack! Do you understand that? I don’t care if your opinion is different, I want to have AA batteries.

2. You tell me the argument is about batteries, and then waffle on about useless lights, old controllers and underused features in the very next paragraph!

You’re fighting a one man battle, and going by the comments here you are very much in the minority. Options are better than having none. A cheaper controller that lets you spend 20 bucks if you want a rechargeable pack is better than a controller that is 20 bucks more expensive but includes a rechargeable pack.

Or were you saying ms got it right when they forced you to pay more and forced Kinect on you, instead of offering it as an option?

Having batteries definitely adds longevity to controllers I had to buy 2 ps4 controllers to get through last gen.

No the ps controllers work just fine.

Why? The new battery is $15. Buying a new controller is a massive waste of money when the batteries are this cheap.

Normally I'd agree with this if the thumbsticks didn't tend to go bad before the batteries do.

Then it has nothing to do with batteries. Sticks are garbage on DS4 and DS.

I am pretty sure they're also the same thumbstick components inside the Xbox controllers as well. Unless you are really good with a soldering iron, it's pretty safe to say every modern controller is disposable. Except, ironically, the Joycon.

Doesn't the joycon have its own issues, the drift?

why would you not want a replaceable battery option? you want a controller that has the built in battery, if it breaks you got to replace the whole thing?

It's the same problem they all have with drift. I think the Joycons just develop it earlier than the others but the good thing about the Joycon is you can replace the thumbsticks without any special tools or skills. It's just two screws and a little ribbon cable.

To replace a thumbstick module on the Playstation or Xbox controllers you have to completely desolder the old thumbstick module which is like 14 solder points per module. And even if you do that, these modules all output SOME voltage in the resting position, this means that each controller from the factory has to be calibrated and zeroed to compensate, so a new module may end up being out of spec of the original component and end up having constant drift the moment you install it.

It's only something I would consider doing if the controller was something I needed, and was out of production. I have a PS3 Move Navigation controller I use in my left hand when using a mouse for gaming on PC. It's no longer in production, and nobody really makes anything like it either. I'll probably have to replace the thumbstick in that within the next year and I am not looking forward to it. When that time comes, i will probably just design and build a new controller.

Remember gents, easy to disagree without being disagreeable. We're talking about batteries for a piece of plastic for goodness sakes.

@sealionact: @Pedro: @kingtito:

I will make this short and sweet you are a bunch of spineless fanboys who can't stand against the company you like no matter how much it screw you over.

I don't own a PS5 don't plan to get one until i see some games that justify getting it, as long as my PS4 play those same games there is no reason for me to jump.

Now if you were even 10% like me you would not even defend this, fact is by the time i walk into this thread all you lemmings were up in flames, and i knew the tears would long and heavy and i wasn't mistaken.

Get this MS can have rechargeable batteries pack in, and they can still hold the AA format, and they can be much better with better play time than the PS controller.

As soon as you 3 understand this ^^ you will understand that is anti consumer to charge extra for batteries when no one else does, just like it was anti consumer to charge for online play, and just like still is anti consumer to hide free to play games under live gold.

No you don't have to people have been replacing batteries in ds controllers since the PS3.

But i don't get why people think that the batteries MS can provide most be built in as static, they can come pack in and be AA still.

You can't be this dense buffoon oh wait you can..😂😂😂

1- the xbox series X controller is 60,if you find it at 50 is a deal but the price is 60, 20 more and you are looking into a $80 dollar controller thats more expensive than the PS5 one yet has less functions.

YOU DON'T NEED A BATTERY PACK BLIND LEMMING.

Rechargeable AA batteries predate the damn xbox brand hell even the damn PS, they have existed for decades.

Repeat after me.

"MS doesn't need to make a battery pack they can very well pack a pair of rechargeable Duracell and a cable instead of cheap ass pair of duracell that can't be recharged"

You are arguing stupidity you don't need to change the format it can be AA and have them built in and you can take them out exactly as it is now.

This would only require MS to pack them nothing more nothing less.

2-You can't fallow an argument or worse you play stupid, the reason why i name touch pad motion and all that shit is because every one of those things ad to the cost of the DS manufacturing price, yet the PS5 has built in battery the xbox doesn't even that from the go is cheaper to make an xbox controller, so MS would not even need to raise price.

Thats funny because when i landed on this thread you lemmings were fighting already with other posters, in fact it was already an all out war by page 3 when i arrived to this thread so unless you are trying to say that you lemmings were arguing with your self i don't even know how you can claim that i am fighting a one man battle not even that you can get right.

The usual suspect have been reduce to try to poke holes or make fun simply to hide the fact that they have no argument.

The controller is $60 and before that it was $50 last gen and before that was $50 as well on both sides yet one had battery the other didnt.

And you are implying here is completely moronic, if you don't bite into the battery pack you would buy disposable AA which is even worse, if connecting a damn cable to a controller is some how horrible for you, imaging having and dead battery in your controller and having to stop playing to go to the damn store and get a pair of batteries, congratulations you are a total fool.

And i didn't even bring the monetary angle of disposable batteries.

The way li-ion batteries work is the battery degrades at an accelerated rate when closer to 100% or 0%. The ideal charge is 50% to preserve longevity of the battery. Li-ion batteries lose charge just from sitting. There's been times where I've forgotten to charge my PS3 or PS4 controllers for a few months of not playing, only to find them dead. Now, if you leave your controller completely dead for too long, it will completely ruin the battery so it holds no charge, or very little charge. Li-ion batteries are high maintenance, and trust me, replacing a li-ion battery in an Xbox controller is much easier than replacing one in a PS controller. Where would you even buy a new battery for the PS controller? I've seen YouTube videos of it and it's not something I'd recommend the average person to even try.

Oh the irony in that 1st statement.

No thanks, I'd rather NOT be some shill hating on pieces of plastic because it's not from my favorite corporation.

Well of course they can just like Sony can have AA in theirs that last longer than 1 semi-short gaming session. The difference is we're not hating on their power source like you cows are hating on MS. Bottom line is your opinion isn't more validating just because you think it is. So yeah, I'd wouldn't want to be like you at even .001%

So Sleepnumber, LG, Bose and DirectTV are anti-consumer for not providing rechargeable batteries in their controllers? Just so happens I purchase a large pack of Eneloops that power all of my remotes AND game controllers. I won't have to pay for batteries for a very very long time. BTW MS didn't charge me for the Eneloops.

I'm soooooooo glad I'm nothing like you. I prefer having choices and gaming on any system I choose and you.....not so much

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@tormentos: This is where your rants get bizarre; you’re trying to tell people what they should have on a console that you hate everything about.

Meanwhile, you haven’t played with your console since 2019.

You don’t get to say what other people want, because you’re not a gamer. You don’t have a passion for gaming, you just have a passion for arguing.

Your arguments are nonsensical...like suggesting people play 5 hours a day, every day for 365 days a year. Absolute nonsense.

You’re only right in one aspect. We are not 10% like you.

You are - thankfully - unique.... and in case you’re thinking that “unique” is a positive thing, let me assure you that in your case, it’s not.

No dude my iphone 6 plus had no battery issues and i had it for 6 years YOUR FRIGGIN liar those batterys have lasted the test of time and they aren't getting degraded. Maybe do some actual research with real products before you say stuff is degrading when my actual smart phone isn't. Stop the lies and loook at real life stuff going on like my cell phone whihc has tons of battery life after 6 years stop this n onsense dude.

Yea, I've never actually had a device with built in battery die on me. I imagine you would have to use that thing rigorously for like several years before that happens lol.

@ProtossRushX: Batteries degrade after time. You don’t have a special battery, and if you check your battery health in settings, you’ll see how much it has degraded. You’ll also see where apple explain why batteries degrade, along with an option to replace them....which Sony don’t offer.

Lol I'm just speaking facts. Don't come at me with your very limited knowledge of lithium ion batteries.

I doubt the controller would outright fail to work. What would happen is over time, at a rate you wouldn't notice, you'll get less and less of a charge out of your battery, without realizing when at some point you have half or a third of the play time you had when it was new.

Yes because you are not a MS shill right? You are from the worse or the worse here you are trying to act as if you were unbiased when you have a MS tattoo on your damn butt cheek.

Yeah you are not having that is why lemmings have years attacking battery life on PS when your controller doesn't even have one, is totally ironic Shitty battery >>>>> No battery at all.

Cable boxes, tv remotes and other still carry AA format, comparing it to gaming controller is just stupid and another of you shill acts in favor of MS which you never seem to see.

So your argument now is that because TV boxes use AA so most the damn xbox, the switch and PS come with a built in battery, so do cell phone, tablets, laptops and many other gaming devices.

Yeah let me guess you buy 800 batteries and you will not need any more, define the word lager, how many 10? 20? 50?

By the way not paying MS for batteries and paying other company is the same SHIT lemming you are paying they are not free.

This is the problem with you and your made up arguments now you want to pretend you don't byte into the charge and play kit and just buy AA, same way you owned 3 xbox and didn't pay for live right? Another made to fit argument from you to justify MS bullshit to save face for them.

You don't have a choice clown, pay MS or pay eneloops you still paying, i let that sink.

You were exposed shill.😂😂😂

No stop and don't play victim, you buy what ever the hell you like, the argument is about YOU and several other blind ass lemmings who can't admit MS is ripping you off.

Oh now you will make shit up, how do you know i haven't play since 2019?

Yeah when you have nothing invent shit thats basically your way.

Bullshit my argument was very good, many people don't even have freaking 5 hours daily for gaming, i don't know how old you are kid but most people who game WORK, and have other things to do as well.

My example was to illustrate how much of a saving that shitty battery is vs packing nothing but a regular pair of batteries and die out in 30 or 40 hours.

That's bad if you were like you would not be defending that shit, if your choice to get rip off chump, exercise away..

If MS tomorrow decided to change those disposable batteries for a cord and rechargeable ones nothing absolutely nothing would change on the xbox controller, because to include rechargeable batteries MS doesn't have to change the format the sooner you get that the sooner you will realize that you are wrong.

Enjoy getting rip off is your right.

Yeah that apply to charge and play kits as well that MS sell, so yeah you buy one it dies and you have to buy another one, the morale here is the same shit apply to the xbox even without built in battery.

But i forgot that you are a stupid consumer who enjoy paying for regular AA because you don't like battery packs.😂

Is your choice to be rip off love it.😎

All batteries degrade.

Where to buy DS4 batteries? On Amazon,ebay and others.

Is pretty easy, but from what i see if you have a PC and the GPU die you just throw away your PC right? So if your mother board battery die you throw away your PC, if your fan die or SSD you throw away your PC.

Come on man how do you claim to know so much about batteries and don't even know where you can get a DS battery.

How long can one person continue to have a meltdown for, its at the "lie down on the couch and tell me all about it" stage 🤣🤣🤣

@tormentos: Lol....calm down. Buying 2 AA batteries isn’t getting ripped off....Buying a 20 buck rechargeable pack that far, far outlasts the tiny battery Sony provide you with isn’t getting ripped off. Buying 4 rechargeable AA batteries and never having to replace a controller because the built in battery wore out isn’t getting ripped off.

Getting ripped off would be buying the bigger, louder console, that is so poorly designed that it needs tools to stand on its side....with headline features like “3D audio” that doesn’t work as intended. A controller that finally supports haptics and features a built in microphone....except Sony found out they needed to turn off haptics if you have your mic on, as well as disabling the expansion bay and crippling the ability to save games to an external HDD meaning the only way to save game states externally is to the cloud which Sony charge you for.

That’s getting ripped off.

Sony launching with an 6 hour Spider-Man wanna be game at 50 bucks while charging 70 bucks for owners of PS4 Spider-Man who just want the upgraded ps5 version.

That’s getting ripped off.

Or launching a “fresh new UI” that features hints and tips for games you own on the Home Screen....as long as your paying ps plus.

That’s getting ripped off.

Difference is, I have a choice in how I want to power my controller....you just have to grin and bare all the crippled, disabled and not ready features.

@tormentos: You are the biggest shill in the forum and this thread does an excellent job of demonstrating how far gone you are. Even gamers who primarily game on PC, PS and Nintendo platforms are calling you out on your stupidity.

As long as we keeping feeding him.😁

300 post thread, and tormy is still plugging away lol. Bowing out is a thing.

Nope, i don't have allegiance to any one company unlike you.

Because it's horrible el tormented and you should complain. Why would you let Sony get away with providing a controller that only last 4-5 hours on a charge? Because you're a shill.

Wrong clown, they all have the AA format including controllers since MS has had it for more than 15 years. Moving the goalpost I see.

Did you have a question in that line? You really trying to use cell phones as an example? A device that needs to charge every single day? How is that the same as a controller when the batteries last as long as a month or more? How feasible would it be to have a cell phone use disposable battery? Hahaha man what a stupid example.

Do you have any idea how long Eneloop batteries last? A pack of 4 will last me years, probably as long as the next gen consoles are out. No need to purchase 800 batteries. Dude you're the most clueless poster I've ever seen here. Shilling to the biter end

I'd rather pay for some Eneloop batteries than pay $70 for a new controller

I don't buy the play and charge kit el tormented, I use Eneloop. Why do you think I continue to mention them? You're not the sharpest tool in the shed.

I pay for GP now but now clown I wasn't going to pay for live since I don't game online on consoles. My online gaming is for PC only. So tell me why would I pay for a service that I wasn't going to use? Sharpest tool you are not

Paying once for Eneloops vs buying a new controller....hmmmmmm I'll take the Eneloops

I prefer rechargeable batteries. My Enloops last at least 2x time longer than the batteries in my PS4. And I can replace them with others if they need charging or loose efficiency over the years.

You said you love having the choice of using AA batteries or rechargeable batteries but then why did you throw 25 more dollars at microsoft for the play and charge kit? Wouldn't it have been cheaper to just pick up some rechargeable batteries and swap them out ya know "options" you were claiming you love seems weird to love options then go out and buy a 25 dollar recharge kit that comes free with the dual shock 4.

I could understand if people love using AA batteries or rechargeable AA's but you actually went out and bought the play and charge kit on top of your controller which would have came free with the DS4.

@ProtossRushX: I prefer having options, I chose to purchase the play and plug charge kit. It has a very good battery life and I can easily swap it in and out when or if needed. I don’t know why you would care so much about my preferences since they in no way affect you nor do I care what your preferences are. 😐

Ok first off you prefer having options by paying an extra 25 dollar premium for them. I know the battery life on play and charge kit I have it myself and its not any much or any better than my dual shock 4 internal battery. They both die just as fast.

If you don't care about preferences of myself or others on the issue why would you enter a thread about the issue at hand and make a post about it that doesn't make any sense.