Xbox360 Failure Rate-16%..not 33% or 3%

Allow me to laugh in your face.

InsaneBasura

I feel sorry for you fanboy. I own both a PS3 and a 360. But guess what? I could care less if my 360 broke. I got 4 years of coverage so I don't care.

I doubt it broke from a hardware failure... Since It did turn on again before I finally unplugged it for good and worked for hours when before I hit the power button off.

I'm think it has something to do with not playing it that much over the past 3 months that killed it. Because my house in winter has a serious moister problem.

So laugh all you want.... I don't care and I don't laugh at other's misfortunes... Which is quite childish I must say on your part.

[QUOTE="bitemeslippy"]Are you serious only 16%...with how many people talk about it I thought it was so much more.sonic_spark

It was 33% in the summer on CNN world (I watched this special when I was in Italy).

CNN wouldn't report 33% falsely because it would throw off investors.

So, although there are other numbers out there.. I'm going to go with the financial report of CNN World.

I fail to see how one single company offering a warranty is a true indicator of how many 360s are failing. If RROD only makes up 60% of the 16% of 360s that fail, then that would mean around 10% (or less) 360s get RROD.

Seems to me a 10% RROD failure rate is not even close to what would warrant a class action lawsuit big enough to scare MS into a billion dollar warranty program. Seems to me that, while somewhat high, a 10% failure rate is still very small and should have been an issue.

I was just talking to a guy I used to work with. He plays his 360 constantly and has never had a problem, but another coworker is on his 9th 360. If the RROD was only a 10% risk, then how is it people are going through NUMEROUS units like this?

I'm sorry, but I don't buy this 16% one bit. And the problem is lemmings are now going to start using this number as an actual FACT and acting like the problem is fixed. I don't buy it. This is one company and nowhere near a representation of the whole, bigger problem.

[QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

The 65nm GPU is going to bring it down to 5% or less.

micky4889

Actualy MS has stated they hope to have it out by August of this year. Granted, that's not a guarantee, but it is certainly far crom "sometime in 2009!"

[QUOTE="SkullboyX"][QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

The 65nm GPU is going to bring it down to 5% or less.

black_awpN1

Isnt the trick to finding a Falcon 360 you look at the barcode on the box and if it says 175W (watts) that means it has a Falcon in it?

All 360s should now have the falcon. The falcon is a smaller CPU...not the GPU which is what overheats (supposedly) then breaks and causes RROD.

I fail to see how one single company offering a warranty is a true indicator of how many 360s are failing. If RROD only makes up 60% of the 16% of 360s that fail, then that would mean around 10% (or less) 360s get RROD.

Seems to me a 10% RROD failure rate is not even close to what would warrant a class action lawsuit big enough to scare MS into a billion dollar warranty program. Seems to me that, while somewhat high, a 10% failure rate is still very small and should have been an issue.

I was just talking to a guy I used to work with. He plays his 360 constantly and has never had a problem, but another coworker is on his 9th 360. If the RROD was only a 10% risk, then how is it people are going through NUMEROUS units like this?

I'm sorry, but I don't buy this 16% one bit. And the problem is lemmings are now going to start using this number as an actual FACT and acting like the problem is fixed. I don't buy it. This is one company and nowhere near a representation of the whole, bigger problem.

ZIMdoom

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

I fail to see how one single company offering a warranty is a true indicator of how many 360s are failing. If RROD only makes up 60% of the 16% of 360s that fail, then that would mean around 10% (or less) 360s get RROD.

Seems to me a 10% RROD failure rate is not even close to what would warrant a class action lawsuit big enough to scare MS into a billion dollar warranty program. Seems to me that, while somewhat high, a 10% failure rate is still very small and should have been an issue.

I was just talking to a guy I used to work with. He plays his 360 constantly and has never had a problem, but another coworker is on his 9th 360. If the RROD was only a 10% risk, then how is it people are going through NUMEROUS units like this?

I'm sorry, but I don't buy this 16% one bit. And the problem is lemmings are now going to start using this number as an actual FACT and acting like the problem is fixed. I don't buy it. This is one company and nowhere near a representation of the whole, bigger problem.

HuusAsking

Do we know for a fact the "norm" is 3%. because it seems to me that a console with a 3% failure rate is basically considered to never fail. How often do we hear about a Wii or PS3 failing? I've never heard of it, although I'm sure it happens. So I find it hard to believe that a 10% failure rate makes it sound like every second person has a problem AND we have verifiable PROOF that some people are on their 7, 8 or 9th console. That doesn't sound like a 10% problem. That sounds like a MUCH HIGHER problem.

And like I said, if the problem was only 10% I don't believe MS would have spent a billion dollars to cut off the threat of a lawsuit. Because if I was MS I would have just said "Your honour, only 10% fail. And while we agree that number could be lower, it is certainly not an epidemic and nowhere near high enough to warrant such a major action against us."

Do the math. 17 million 360s sold world wide. 10% RROD problem would mean only 1.7 million consoles have had RROD. Does the word-of-mouth testimony sound like only 1.7 million 360s have failed?

I don't believe it. And as somebody said already, for all we know people are going to MS directly to report RROD because they know about the MS warranty. So how many people aren't being counted in this poll done by one single company?

With people arguing about what the normal failure rates for electronics should be, there is an improtant point ot be made:

The acceptable failure rate is determined by us, the consumer. If we don't buy shoddy electronics, they won't be made. If we blindly accept failing pieces of equipment because of offerings of warranties, then we're basically telling companies "We'll be your piece of crap, as long as you fix it." That's a bad precendent to set.

DON'T BUY DEFECTIVE ELECTRONICS!!!

With people arguing about what the normal failure rates for electronics should be, there is an improtant point ot be made:

The acceptable failure rate is determined by us, the consumer. If we don't buy shoddy electronics, they won't be made. If we blindly accept failing pieces of equipment because of offerings of warranties, then we're basically telling companies "We'll be your piece of crap, as long as you fix it." That's a bad precendent to set.

DON'T BUY DEFECTIVE ELECTRONICS!!!

mabris

Posting a thread wasn't enough, huh?

Anyways, this survey is about as accurate in determining what the defect rate is as the damned anonymous retailer who said that it was 33%.

Are you serious only 16%...with how many people talk about it I thought it was so much more.bitemeslippy

Um 16% of 17 million is 2.7 million thats a huge number. And to all the people who think all the word of mouth on the internet means its higher your wrong. The Internet exagterates everything, remember Snakes on a Plane? Going by the internet that should have made more then Titanic.

I could just go get another article with other %'s, lemmings really aren't being very birght for trying to defend MS here, you guys should be the ones most pissed off at them, yet cows and sheep are the ones talking up?Eddie-Vedder

Ah, this is familiar in some way....of course, now I remember.

[QUOTE="bitemeslippy"]Are you serious only 16%...with how many people talk about it I thought it was so much more.TOAO_Cyrus1

Um 16% of 17 million is 2.7 million thats a huge number. And to all the people who think all the word of mouth on the internet means its higher your wrong. The Internet exagterates everything, remember Snakes on a Plane? Going by the internet that should have made more then Titanic.

[QUOTE="bitemeslippy"]Are you serious only 16%...with how many people talk about it I thought it was so much more.TOAO_Cyrus1

Um 16% of 17 million is 2.7 million thats a huge number. And to all the people who think all the word of mouth on the internet means its higher your wrong. The Internet exagterates everything, remember Snakes on a Plane? Going by the internet that should have made more then Titanic.

This person clearly states that only 60% of that 16% is attributed to RROD. That means, according to him, less than 10% of 360s get the RROD...which is what the MS extended warranty plan was set up for.

Do we know for a fact the "norm" is 3%. because it seems to me that a console with a 3% failure rate is basically considered to never fail. How often do we hear about a Wii or PS3 failing? I've never heard of it, although I'm sure it happens. So I find it hard to believe that a 10% failure rate makes it sound like every second person has a problem AND we have verifiable PROOF that some people are on their 7, 8 or 9th console. That doesn't sound like a 10% problem. That sounds like a MUCH HIGHER problem.

ZIMdoom

And if the failure rate was really so high, why hasn't reliable publications like Consumer Reports gotten into the act?

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]I could just go get another article with other %'s, lemmings really aren't being very birght for trying to defend MS here, you guys should be the ones most pissed off at them, yet cows and sheep are the ones talking up?Verge_6

Ah, this is familiar in some way....of course, now I remember.

Using lemming logic...the PS2 DRE was probably only 15% failure rate and really not that big a deal.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]I could just go get another article with other %'s, lemmings really aren't being very birght for trying to defend MS here, you guys should be the ones most pissed off at them, yet cows and sheep are the ones talking up?ZIMdoom

Ah, this is familiar in some way....of course, now I remember.

Using lemming logic...the PS2 DRE was probably only 15% failure rate and really not that big a deal.

Using illogical backtalk to counter a statement that pointed out that a prior statement was also being illogical? Cool.

Also, I have yet to see a class-action lawsuit filed against Microsoft regarding the RRoD.

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

Do we know for a fact the "norm" is 3%. because it seems to me that a console with a 3% failure rate is basically considered to never fail. How often do we hear about a Wii or PS3 failing? I've never heard of it, although I'm sure it happens. So I find it hard to believe that a 10% failure rate makes it sound like every second person has a problem AND we have verifiable PROOF that some people are on their 7, 8 or 9th console. That doesn't sound like a 10% problem. That sounds like a MUCH HIGHER problem.

HuusAsking

And if the failure rate was really so high, why hasn't reliable publications like Consumer Reports gotten into the act?

Does Consumer Reports even review consoles or games? Or maybe, because MS was smart to jump on top of this problem immediately, there is no point in reporting on it...something is already being done.

As for verifiable proof, I'm not wasting time looking it up for you. People have recorded actual phone conversations with MS, posted actual shipping receipts and invoices, and posted their file number to back up their stories of being on the 11th 360. If you have stuck your head in the sand so deep that you are ignorant of this information, then there is no point in me wasting my time trying to pull your head out.

Every single 360 can acquire red rings of death..

Can anyone prove otherwise? a system is fine, then it gets red ring of death, where does percent come in?
Just_in

Every single 360 can acquire red rings of death..

Can anyone prove otherwise? a system is fine, then it gets red ring of death, where does percent come in?
Just_in

The percent is how many have broken so far out of how many have been sold. THe article clearly states the percentage will go higher as more and more break.

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"][QUOTE="Verge_6"]

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]I could just go get another article with other %'s, lemmings really aren't being very birght for trying to defend MS here, you guys should be the ones most pissed off at them, yet cows and sheep are the ones talking up?Verge_6

Ah, this is familiar in some way....of course, now I remember.

Using lemming logic...the PS2 DRE was probably only 15% failure rate and really not that big a deal.

using illogical backtalk to counter a statement that pointed out that a prior statement was also being illogical? Cool.

Well, to be fair, you DID miss the point ofhis post...that one single story from one single company is hardly proof of the 360 failure rate. After all, lemmings have ignored all the stories from people at Best Buy, Gamestop, EB games, etc, because it was just one person in one store making one claim. But now when one person in one company give out a number that is hardly representative of anything, lemmings post is as an absolute FACT that can't be argued or questioned.

Instead of just adressing his main point, you ignored it and latched onto his personal attack, and then went completely off topic.

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]I could just go get another article with other %'s, lemmings really aren't being very birght for trying to defend MS here, you guys should be the ones most pissed off at them, yet cows and sheep are the ones talking up?Verge_6

Ah, this is familiar in some way....of course, now I remember.

I syill have my semi launch fat ps2, the only prob I've had was it doesn't rumble anymore, never had a DRE, and none of my friends had that problem, that was nowhere near RROD. But if makes lemmings happy whatever, keep your hardware probs, I don't care, I'm not going to worry about it.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]I could just go get another article with other %'s, lemmings really aren't being very birght for trying to defend MS here, you guys should be the ones most pissed off at them, yet cows and sheep are the ones talking up?Eddie-Vedder

Ah, this is familiar in some way....of course, now I remember.

I syill have my semi launch fat ps2, the only prob I've had was it doesn't rumble anymore, never had a DRE, and none of my friends had that problem, that was nowhere near RROD. But if makes lemmings happy whatever, keep your hardware probs, I don't care, I'm not going to worry about it.

Really? I have my original 360, and went through three PS2s because of the DRE flaw, and that's the same case for my friends, so I guess that means the PS2 had a worse hardware defect rate. :roll:

[QUOTE="Just_in"]Every single 360 can acquire red rings of death..

Can anyone prove otherwise? a system is fine, then it gets red ring of death, where does percent come in?
TOAO_Cyrus1

The percent is how many have broken so far out of how many have been sold. THe article clearly states the percentage will go higher as more and more break.

It is already clear from the posts in this thread, that lemmigs are quickly latching onto this 16% number as a concrete fact. It may as well be a law of physics. So even if that number climbs as more consoles age and break, lemmings will continue to say its only 16% (or 10% really) and never move beyond that number.

Just like how they will never admit that Gears is no longer the pinnacle of graphics this gen.

American Xbox 360 - Crappy Hardware

Japanese Nintendo Wii - Quality Hardware

Japanese PS3 - Quality Hardware

enough said

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="ZIMdoom"][QUOTE="Verge_6"]

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]I could just go get another article with other %'s, lemmings really aren't being very birght for trying to defend MS here, you guys should be the ones most pissed off at them, yet cows and sheep are the ones talking up?ZIMdoom

Ah, this is familiar in some way....of course, now I remember.

Using lemming logic...the PS2 DRE was probably only 15% failure rate and really not that big a deal.

using illogical backtalk to counter a statement that pointed out that a prior statement was also being illogical? Cool.

Well, to be fair, you DID miss the point ofhis post...that one single story from one single company is hardly proof of the 360 failure rate. After all, lemmings have ignored all the stories from people at Best Buy, Gamestop, EB games, etc, because it was just one person in one store making one claim. But now when one person in one company give out a number that is hardly representative of anything, lemmings post is as an absolute FACT that can't be argued or questioned.

Instead of just adressing his main point, you ignored it and latched onto his personal attack, and then went completely off topic.

That 'personal attack' WAS his main point. And he just did what he was criticizing the Xbox fanbase of doing in a post reply to mine. :?

And if you would look at my first post in this thread, I stated just that.

The 65nm GPU is going to bring it down to 5% or less.

PS3_3DO

or atleast too 15%..

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"][QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="ZIMdoom"][QUOTE="Verge_6"]

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]I could just go get another article with other %'s, lemmings really aren't being very birght for trying to defend MS here, you guys should be the ones most pissed off at them, yet cows and sheep are the ones talking up?Verge_6

Ah, this is familiar in some way....of course, now I remember.

Using lemming logic...the PS2 DRE was probably only 15% failure rate and really not that big a deal.

using illogical backtalk to counter a statement that pointed out that a prior statement was also being illogical? Cool.

Well, to be fair, you DID miss the point ofhis post...that one single story from one single company is hardly proof of the 360 failure rate. After all, lemmings have ignored all the stories from people at Best Buy, Gamestop, EB games, etc, because it was just one person in one store making one claim. But now when one person in one company give out a number that is hardly representative of anything, lemmings post is as an absolute FACT that can't be argued or questioned.

Instead of just adressing his main point, you ignored it and latched onto his personal attack, and then went completely off topic.

That 'personal attack' WAS his main point. :?

And if you would look at my first post in this thread, I stated just that.

It wasn't a "personal attack" it was advice, somethings wrong right? Why are we defending hardware problems and trying to downlplay them again? Is it because they aren't a big deal? or because we just don't want to admit it in SW?

It wasn't a "personal attack" it was advice, somethings wrong right? Why are we defending hardware problems and trying to downlplay them again? Is it because they aren't a big deal? or because we just don't want to admit it in SW?

Eddie-Vedder

"I syill have my semi launch fat ps2, the only prob I've had was it doesn't rumble anymore, never had a DRE, and none of my friends had that problem, that was nowhere near RROD. But if makes lemmings happy whatever, keep your hardware probs"

Of the 8 people I know with a box there are a total of 12 failures I think (Maybe I forgot some). I guess they use their boxes more then most.. but still.. 16% sounds very low.. my guess would be 40%.. but my personal experiance is too random I guess. Ah well none of my friends regrets buying a box, as long as MS pays.. (people will get mad when warranty is out though..)

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

It wasn't a "personal attack" it was advice, somethings wrong right? Why are we defending hardware problems and trying to downlplay them again? Is it because they aren't a big deal? or because we just don't want to admit it in SW?

Verge_6

"I syill have my semi launch fat ps2, the only prob I've had was it doesn't rumble anymore, never had a DRE, and none of my friends had that problem, that was nowhere near RROD. But if makes lemmings happy whatever, keep your hardware probs"

Are you referring to the rumble thing? I've had my ps2 for what 7 8 years, and it's been kicked around A LOT. Not to mention I've moded it, the way it's been treated I'm not even sure how the hell it still works, if you were refering to something else, sorry but I didn't understand.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

It wasn't a "personal attack" it was advice, somethings wrong right? Why are we defending hardware problems and trying to downlplay them again? Is it because they aren't a big deal? or because we just don't want to admit it in SW?

Eddie-Vedder

"I syill have my semi launch fat ps2, the only prob I've had was it doesn't rumble anymore, never had a DRE, and none of my friends had that problem, that was nowhere near RROD. But if makes lemmings happy whatever, keep your hardware probs"

Are you referring to the rumble thing? I've had my ps2 for what 7 8 years, and it's been kicked around A LOT. Not to mention I've moded it, the way it's been treated I'm not even sure how the hell it still works, if you were refering to something else, sorry but I didn't understand.

I will clarify then. You accuse Lemmings of being 'not very bright' for defending hardware problems, when you do that very thing for the PS2.

Of the 8 people I know with a box there are a total of 12 failures I think (Maybe I forgot some). I guess they use their boxes more then most.. but still.. 16% sounds very low.. my guess would be 40%.. but my personal experiance is too random I guess. Ah well none of my friends regrets buying a box, as long as MS pays.. (people will get mad when warranty is out though..)

omgimba

that's the key

if it can't even hold up during the 3yr warranty period

how do u think the machines are gonna react when they age?

answer = poorly

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"][QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

It wasn't a "personal attack" it was advice, somethings wrong right? Why are we defending hardware problems and trying to downlplay them again? Is it because they aren't a big deal? or because we just don't want to admit it in SW?

Verge_6

"I syill have my semi launch fat ps2, the only prob I've had was it doesn't rumble anymore, never had a DRE, and none of my friends had that problem, that was nowhere near RROD. But if makes lemmings happy whatever, keep your hardware probs"

Are you referring to the rumble thing? I've had my ps2 for what 7 8 years, and it's been kicked around A LOT. Not to mention I've moded it, the way it's been treated I'm not even sure how the hell it still works, if you were refering to something else, sorry but I didn't understand.

I will clarify then. You accuse Lemmings of being 'not very bright' for defending hardware problems, when you do that very thing for the PS2.

If the PS2 has a serious hardware problem I won't defend it, but back in the PS2 era, I never came to SW, and never heard, experienced this DRE you speak of, so I never even knew it was happening, I really find it hard to believe DRE and RROD are on the same level. I can bet you my account that if the PS3 starts having some seriously screwed up hardware prob, I won't defend it. I'm not rich I can't afford to defend them.

"It is reasonable to believe these failure rates will increase over time"

kirk4ever

360 is garbage

[QUOTE="InsaneBasura"]

Allow me to laugh in your face.

Truth_Hurts_U

I feel sorry for you fanboy. I own both a PS3 and a 360. But guess what? I could care less if my 360 broke. I got 4 years of coverage so I don't care.

I doubt it broke from a hardware failure... Since It did turn on again before I finally unplugged it for good and worked for hours when before I hit the power button off.

I'm think it has something to do with not playing it that much over the past 3 months that killed it. Because my house in winter has a serious moister problem.

So laugh all you want.... I don't care and I don't laugh at other's misfortunes... Which is quite childish I must say on your part.

Hahaha! You're the one who were in hardcore denial over the 360's shoddiness for ages. I just think this is such a lovely case of poetic justice.

Here's a post from a couple of weeks ago.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

I'm just going to say it, just flat out;

I haven't had a problem with mine, I'm having one of the best gaming experiences of my life with the 360, and I really don't give a rat's ass.

Truth_Hurts_U

Ditto...

My 360 is almost 1 year and 5 months old. Never broke down on me yet. Best console I owned since Sega Genesis.

BUTTT...... The 100% RROD!!!

:lol:

It's funny. The only thing "Cows" can bring up again and again... Is their Blur Ray player on the PS3...

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

This March 2007 issue of OXM has the fall update. Not one single problem. I have had zero problems with my 360 since the day I bought it.

You guys can keep stretching the 3-5% failure rate as big as you want. But we all know there far and few between.

Any ways, I will enjoy my games that you don't have. I will enjoy our lead in the console race with Nintendo. Good luck with 3rd place... You'll need it.

Truth_Hurts_U

I must be the luckiest person in the whole world. I am still on my first 360... Not 1 issue. I should start playing the lottery.

3%-5% remember that. Not 50%-80%. :lol:

Truth_Hurts_U

"Microsoft has not revealed details of how many Xbox 360 units have been found faulty, but did state that the return rate is "significantly lower" than the CE industry average of between 3 and 5 per cent."

Thats all you need to know. Thats what I keep saying. People are blowing this way out of proportion.

Internet, you gotta love it.

Truth_Hurts_U

[QUOTE="PelekotansDream"]I read the manual and took great care for my 2 360s but they still have issues. Everyone else I speak to who has an issue I ask "You give enough room, it aint on a carpet?" etc and they all say they did what the manual had written on it.

Dont try with the excuses, its got a serious issue that has not been fixed and like I said, even younger consoles are not having as many problems. Tsk tsk.

Truth_Hurts_U

Yeah I'm sure you did. Your one of those people that ground up your game disc in the 360's drive by moving your console. Then blaming the 360. :lol:

Spin it how you want. 3%-5%.

Maybe you need to go back and read up on the PS2 king of defects.