xbox360 has shown all of its power already!

there is not one source that benchmarked both gpu's so ur claim is false. And plzz its all about total system performance and ps3 has twice or more the performance over x360

Link to back that up?

PS3:

The floating point performance of the whole system (CPU + GPU) is reported to be 2 TFLOPS.[100] PlayStation 3's Cell CPU achieves 204 GFLOPS single precision float and 15 GFLOPS double precision. The PS3 has 256MB of RambusXDR DRAM, clocked at CPU die speed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ps3

Xbox360:

It has a theoretical peak performance of 115.2 GFLOPS and 1 TFLOPS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox360

sorry pal, but the ps3 isthe superior console.

Sorry pal, guess you skipped the word REPORTED AND THEORETICAL. I always get my benchmark information from wikipedia too, great source there :roll:

[QUOTE="danneswegman"][QUOTE="GermanShepard06"]

wrong, not all consoles r like that, this is why ps1 and ps2 were soo good, cuz they had future proof hardware. Xbox360 is not one of those systems, sorry to tell you that.

GermanShepard06

sorry to tell you, but you sound like an irrational kid. try to be a reasonable person here. You just say things without knowing what you are talking about. for your own sake, don't do that..... try to keep it real.

what is x360 going to do when ps3 games in 1-2 years from now are going to be taking up 10-15gigs just for physics and animation?

Look at Uncharted, the game is aiming to be 30gigs long.

It's not as future proof as PS3, that's for sure. But there is still room for improvement on 360, and lot's of it.

there is not one source that benchmarked both gpu's so ur claim is false. And plzz its all about total system performance and ps3 has twice or more the performance over x360

Heil68

Link to back that up?

PS3:

The floating point performance of the whole system (CPU + GPU) is reported to be 2 TFLOPS.[100] PlayStation 3's Cell CPU achieves 204 GFLOPS single precision float and 15 GFLOPS double precision. The PS3 has 256MB of RambusXDR DRAM, clocked at CPU die speed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ps3

Xbox360:

It has a theoretical peak performance of 115.2 GFLOPS and 1 TFLOPS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox360

sorry pal, but the ps3 isthe superior console.

Sorry pal, guess you skipped the word REPORTED AND THEORETICAL. I always get my benchmark information from wikipedia too, great source there :roll:

You forgot to mention the fact that the 360 has twice the ram too..I'm no MS fanboy either, I'll be getting a PS3

Where did Germanshepard go? LoL

germanshepard iz teh smart!!Juggernaut140

[QUOTE="GermanShepard06"][QUOTE="danneswegman"][QUOTE="GermanShepard06"]

wrong, not all consoles r like that, this is why ps1 and ps2 were soo good, cuz they had future proof hardware. Xbox360 is not one of those systems, sorry to tell you that.

danneswegman

sorry to tell you, but you sound like an irrational kid. try to be a reasonable person here. You just say things without knowing what you are talking about. for your own sake, don't do that..... try to keep it real.

what is x360 going to do when ps3 games in 1-2 years from now are going to be taking up 10-15gigs just for physics and animation?

Look at Uncharted, the game is aiming to be 30gigs long.

It's not as future proof as PS3, that's for sure. But there is still room for improvement on 360, and lot's of it.

go tell microsoft to first fix there over heating problems before they make more consoles to break :lol:

I know a lot of 360 owners will disagree with my opinion but halo 3 doesn't really look better than gears of war to me it looks equal to halo 3 but there is still going to be a hype for halo 3 for 360 owners and a few who still don't own 360jacky531

I guess no one read my other post. If GeoW is as good as it gets for the 360, why is that a problem? Gears looks amazing, so therefore we'll continue to get amazing looking games.

[QUOTE="Juggernaut140"]germanshepard iz teh smart!!xboxdude333

I know, he's got mad jesus skillz.

Here we get to see a bunch of senseless children talk about things they know nothing of.

First of all, games use all a systems "power". A system is always going to be working to offer a better framerate. All that has been said, thus far, is that muti-core CPU's haven't been tapped into entirely yet.

Secondly. "the potential" is not a tangible quality, so stop placing stupid numbers on it. 20%, 40%, 100%? What do these numbers even represent? What does 20% of "the potential" even mean? I'll go with nothing.

No console will ever show "its power" in the early stages of its life. The best looking games will always come out at the end of the cycle.

It's always funny to read arguments over hardware between console kids.

Theoretical performance (FLOPS), really isn't a useful way to look at the true power of the system. If the power isn't usable or is hard to use, what's the point of having it? Efficient hardware designs are more important. That's the reason the 360 is currently besting the PS3 in multiplat games. The multiple SPE design of the cell processor makes it more complicated to program for, which is not a good thing for the majority of developers out there. Sure, games that are in development for a long period of time by a talented development team will squeeze extra performance out of the Cell, but most developers have a schedule to meet and games to sell. Expect only exclusives published or backed by Sony or another large company to really push the PS3 (since they can afford to let them tweak the game forever, whereas a smaller developer cannot).

Claiming that one games uses XX percent of power on one console doesn't really prove anything either. Every game engine is different, you can't really compare how much one stresses a console versus another. If a game engine is not optimized very well, you will end up with a bad looking game, that uses most of the system's power to run it. This is why you see better games towards the end of a console's life cycle, developers have figured out how to make more efficient game engines.

Stick to arguing over game scores, you guys are in way over your heads.

It's always funny to read arguments over hardware between console kids.

Theoretical performance (FLOPS), really isn't a useful way to look at the true power of the system. If the power isn't usable or is hard to use, what's the point of having it? Efficient hardware designs are more important. That's the reason the 360 is currently besting the PS3 in multiplat games. The multiple SPE design of the cell processor makes it more complicated to program for, which is not a good thing for the majority of developers out there. Sure, games that are in development for a long period of time by a talented development team will squeeze extra performance out of the Cell, but most developers have a schedule to meet and games to sell. Expect only exclusives published or backed by Sony or another large company to really push the PS3 (since they can afford to let them tweak the game forever, whereas a smaller developer cannot).

Claiming that one games uses XX percent of power on one console doesn't really prove anything either. Every game engine is different, you can't really compare how much one stresses a console versus another. If a game engine is not optimized very well, you will end up with a bad looking game, that uses most of the system's power to run it. This is why you see better games towards the end of a console's life cycle, developers have figured out how to make more efficient game engines.

Stick to arguing over game scores, you guys are in way over your heads.

nobi125

did anyone ever tell you that your avatar is badass?

just a thread about hidden power.zZzZzZzZzZzZ!

i dont think any of the machines are using their full potential yet..but then again when you'ver got to start cutting corners to get this in and you get frame rate problems you've got to wonder!?

all games use almost any console power...

they just find better ways to manage it and not waste it. Which is why sequals almost always look better than the original....

Lair... I'm sorry to say, does not look better then Gears... Nor Mass Effect or Bioshock.

Plus Lair's game play looks boring.

Lair... I'm sorry to say, does not look better then Gears... Nor Mass Effect or Bioshock.

Plus Lair's game play looks boring.

Truth_Hurts_U

[QUOTE="61913"]with Mass Effect dont come here saying that mass effect is only using 50% of xbox360's power!it looks good but Lair for the ps3 looks almost as good and their only using 20% of ps3's power imagine when ps3 unleashe all of its power!Spartanx23

Power. I can't believe people still try to challenge the 360's power. What are you thinking?:| The 360 is the clear leader as far as technology goes. It has the better GPU and more memory. Memory being the most important part! Prepare yourself when Unreal Tournement 3, GTA4, Call of Duty 4, Assassin's Creed, and other high profile mutiplats look and run better on 360.

I can't wait to see what you have to say when Halo 3 ends up looking and playing better than Killzone, if they even have the balls to show it this E3.

I don't even care about graphics, and if I did, I would get the 360! Any idiot with a pair of working eyes can see that. The only thing you can maybe brag about is the Cell's computational power, which is still only in theory. We have yet to see a single PS3 game step up to the plate, so why not just drop it.

You can come back when, and if any PS3 game truly surpasses the 360. Good luck by the way.:)

If you wanted to experience the best games on the planet, then you should have bought the 360 for cheaper. You would be playing the best of the best right now! Any one who was smart, I.E. me, would have waited to get the PS3 when actual games showed up.

Stuff like MGS4, GT5, GoW3, and whatever sweet game Team ICO comes up with.

This also goes withoutmentioning the fact that the system won't be the clear ripoff that it currently is. I'd say the PS3 is worth 300, same as the 360. I could care less that Sony tried to make me buy an overpricedBlue-ray player.

When I do finally pick up my PS3, you can be sure it was for the exclusive games that it features. Not Blue-ray, notthe gimmicky Cell, and not some gimmicky 6-axis BS either. It will be for a system thatshould have retailed for $300-400, just like the 360.

I will always be fact that Sony didn't focus on a games machine, while Microsoft did! Take apart the 360, and all you'll find is a pure games machine. Take apart the PS3, and all you'll find is unproven technology.

I'm not trying to bash the PS3, because I'll eventually get one. I think the exclusive games will be great. Uncharted, Lair, MGS4, GT5, Heavenly Sword, Killzone 2, and Little Big Planet among others. But in no way shape or form is the PS3 the most powerfull.

I would suggest you just enjoy what you have, and stop the comparisons. I love FPS's like Halo 3, Haze, Unreal 3, and Killzone2, but everybody knows Halo 3will bethe King! If you even have to question that, then it's too late for you.:(

These upcoming gamesare going to use a lot of each systems power. When a PS3 developer says that they'reonly usinga certain percentage of power, thenyou can bet they mean the Cell. The PS3's GPU will never win. The PS3 will never win memory either, so you better pray the Cell produces graphics.:D

It's too bad you even care. It's sad.:(

Ladies and gentleman,this man(or women,depending on your gender)is a true gamer!You have my repect.

with Mass Effect dont come here saying that mass effect is only using 50% of xbox360's power!it looks good but Lair for the ps3 looks almost as good and their only using 20% of ps3's power imagine when ps3 unleashe all of its power!61913

yawn!!

The PS3 will never be 50-90%(whatever fanboy figures)more powerful then the 360. The CPU is amazing and its lovely but anybody with any computer knowledge can see straight off that they have this great CPU which is bottle-necked by slow/poor bus and pipelining and a very average gpu.

Sony has messed up a little this gen its still got the raw power that can be tapped into but it will never have much more than 360.

The fact 360 matched its GPU, CPU, bus and pipes so well is the reason its easier to dev for and the fact it will be reliably powerful for todays next gen games. PS3 has the potential to be as good maybe slightly better but a) it won't be very noticable b) it will take a lot longer to get the results c) it costs more money.

Why Sony put a Ferrari engine in with a Clio's system is beyond me. Look in the boot and that BR player is the big reason coz it slows the Ferrari down with its slow read speeds. Thats why you have longer load times than 360 and sometimes you have to copy games to your HD to speed it up. Without the BR the system would have been much cheaper to include that super GPU and better pipes...yay!!!

I'm not saying its rubbish I just think its wasted power...

with Mass Effect dont come here saying that mass effect is only using 50% of xbox360's power!it looks good but Lair for the ps3 looks almost as good and their only using 20% of ps3's power imagine when ps3 unleashe all of its power!61913

yawn!!

The PS3 will never be 50-90%(whatever fanboy figures)more powerful then the 360. The CPU is amazing and its lovely but anybody with any computer knowledge can see straight off that they have this great CPU which is bottle-necked by slow/poor bus and pipelining and a very average gpu.

Sony has messed up a little this gen its still got the raw power that can be tapped into but it will never have much more than 360.

The fact 360 matched its GPU, CPU, bus and pipes so well is the reason its easier to dev for and the fact it will be reliably powerful for todays next gen games. PS3 has the potential to be as good maybe slightly better but a) it won't be very noticable b) it will take a lot longer to get the results c) it costs more money.

Why Sony put a Ferrari engine in with a Clio's system is beyond me. Look in the boot and that BR player is the big reason coz it slows the Ferrari down with its slow read speeds. Thats why you have longer load times than 360 and sometimes you have to copy games to your HD to speed it up. Without the BR the system would have been much cheaper to include that super GPU and better pipes...yay!!!

I'm not saying its rubbish I just think its wasted power...

i dont care what anyone says but Geow pretty much burned up most of the systemspower.GermanShepard06

No not really, Cod4, Bia, Mass Effect, Too Human, Alan Wake and alot of others>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Geow in terms of graphics.

with Mass Effect dont come here saying that mass effect is only using 50% of xbox360's power!it looks good but Lair for the ps3 looks almost as good and their only using 20% of ps3's power imagine when ps3 unleashe all of its power!61913

[QUOTE="61913"]with Mass Effect dont come here saying that mass effect is only using 50% of xbox360's power!it looks good but Lair for the ps3 looks almost as good and their only using 20% of ps3's power imagine when ps3 unleashe all of its power!mightyboosh13

yawn!!

The PS3 will never be 50-90%(whatever fanboy figures)more powerful then the 360. The CPU is amazing and its lovely but anybody with any computer knowledge can see straight off that they have this great CPU which is bottle-necked by slow/poor bus and pipelining and a very average gpu.

Sony has messed up a little this gen its still got the raw power that can be tapped into but it will never have much more than 360.

The fact 360 matched its GPU, CPU, bus and pipes so well is the reason its easier to dev for and the fact it will be reliably powerful for todays next gen games. PS3 has the potential to be as good maybe slightly better but a) it won't be very noticable b) it will take a lot longer to get the results c) it costs more money.

Why Sony put a Ferrari engine in with a Clio's system is beyond me. Look in the boot and that BR player is the big reason coz it slows the Ferrari down with its slow read speeds. Thats why you have longer load times than 360 and sometimes you have to copy games to your HD to speed it up. Without the BR the system would have been much cheaper to include that super GPU and better pipes...yay!!!

I'm not saying its rubbish I just think its wasted power...

Hmmm didnt i read some where that they found soway around the stuff above, Anyways they will be able to tap into the Ps3 and Xbox360 more then they ever could with the last gen systems.

[QUOTE="Hater3000"]

Yeah just wait a little longer...:roll:.

The question is When?,WHEN?!!.No really When?,When are the devs going to do something that uses all the Ps3 powar?.

It seems all these days is multi-platform,port or TBA.

Another sad thing is that Devs rather develop for the Wii,Is cheaper and you see the money faster without putting a lot of effort on it.

The Ps3 has the capacity for a true Game masterpiece but Devs rather develop multi-platform crap,ports,rehashes or half baked games.

Sully28

lol your joking me right? We have those games comming, they are in development and we've seen proof they exist. You speak as if we've never seen proof of a great looking game running on the ps3/ made for the ps3. Gears didnt get a game that stunned people/ took advantage of the 360's power untill almost a year later, that game was gears. The ps3 will get one sooner, hell it will get 2 sooner. Lair and warhawk.

Please just don't hit the submit button until you reread your statement, because its just as redundant as this thread.

I read somewhere that Lair uses 80% of the PS3 power.

PS3_3DO

ITS A GAEM ADN IT LKS GD MEENIN ITS USING AL TEH POWER.

WAIT 4 TEH PS£ TO UNLEASH ITS POWOR!

Really, SW is like a REALLY bad DBZ rip off.

20%, lol...

Anyone who buys that crap even if it comes from the devs is utterly stupid.

[QUOTE="GermanShepard06"]i dont care what anyone says but Geow pretty much burned up most of the systemspower.No_worrys_mate

No not really, Cod4, Bia, Mass Effect, Too Human, Alan Wake and alot of others>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Geow in terms of graphics.

agreed. GermanShepard06 is just spending too much time shouting things he can't back up.

with Mass Effect dont come here saying that mass effect is only using 50% of xbox360's power!it looks good but Lair for the ps3 looks almost as good and their only using 20% of ps3's power imagine when ps3 unleashe all of its power!61913

And you are?

with Mass Effect dont come here saying that mass effect is only using 50% of xbox360's power!it looks good but Lair for the ps3 looks almost as good and their only using 20% of ps3's power imagine when ps3 unleashe all of its power!61913

Umm professor, a couple of problems with your post. First ME blows Lair away from the screens and vids I have seen. We will have to wait until both games are released to make a final determination. Second, where are you getting those percentages from? Are you just making them up to make yourself feel better?

20%, lol...

Anyone who buys that crap even if it comes from the devs is utterly gullible.

tag_001

Fixed and agreed.

Dev's need to be taken with a grain of salt. They will say anything to help or sell a game.

[QUOTE="Kizzle28"][QUOTE="Sully28"][QUOTE="Hater3000"]

Yeah just wait a little longer...:roll:.

The question is When?,WHEN?!!.No really When?,When are the devs going to do something that uses all the Ps3 powar?.

It seems all these days is multi-platform,port or TBA.

Another sad thing is that Devs rather develop for the Wii,Is cheaper and you see the money faster without putting a lot of effort on it.

The Ps3 has the capacity for a true Game masterpiece but Devs rather develop multi-platform crap,ports,rehashes or half baked games.

Sully28

lol your joking me right? We have those games comming, they are in development and we've seen proof they exist. You speak as if we've never seen proof of a great looking game running on the ps3/ made for the ps3. Gears didnt get a game that stunned people/ took advantage of the 360's power untill almost a year later, that game was gears. The ps3 will get one sooner, hell it will get 2 sooner. Lair and warhawk.

Please just don't hit the submit button until you reread your statement, because its just as redundant as this thread.

And yet, you're so confident that Lair and Warhawk will be amazing graphically...you sound just as redundant...

No i dont sound as redundant. He is speaking as if we havent seen one game that looks amazing on the ps3 when we have. I am saying the ps3 will get games as soon if not sooner than the 360 did in its life span. I never said lair and warhawk will look amazingly graphicly, i said they will take advantage of the system. Should i explain?

Lair looks amazing from the vids shown. It has levels that HUGE, and look great. There are hundreds of enemys on screen that do their own thing(i can rhyme), you fly a dragon with the 6 axis, and it is said to be very fluid and well done, and its made my a dev team that has been known to make excelent games, excelent air combat games, which lair is. Now those are all reasons on how it can/will take advatage of the ps3.

Warhawk isnta game looking to set a new bar in teh graphic department. That doesnt mean it looks bad though. From the vids we've seen, and the comments beta testers make, it looks great, and will please many. It features all online and so far goes up to 32(rumor is that number will be pushed up, but its ONLY a rumor). Its gameplay is said to be AMAZING, and some people even dared to say that it was better than halo, some websites and betatesters even said warhawks beta was better than halo 3's. Also this game features six axis control and is to be hard at first, but once you get the hang of it, its amazing. These are also reasons why it can/will take advantage of the ps3.

Warhawk .... I guess you PS3 owners are very easily satisfied ... Warhawk ..... :roll: instead of listning to what people are "saying" how about trying it or even watching videos yourself? Its a minigame version of battlefields with some of the most inbalances I have ever seen.

i dont care what anyone says but Geow pretty much burned up most of the systemspower.GermanShepard06

Well you are wrong. Coming from the developers of that game said that it used 40% of the 360's power, so you are wrong.

Isn't Oblivion better on the PS3?osirisomeomi

This was 360's score.

This was PS3's score....

:shock:

[QUOTE="osirisomeomi"]Isn't Oblivion better on the PS3?Magical_Zebra

This was 360's score.

This was PS3's score....

:shock:

I can't think of a single console in the era of 3D consoles that was ever truly maxed.

i dont care what anyone says but Geow pretty much burned up most of the systemspower.GermanShepard06

and dont care what anyone says you still fail

You lot make it sound like Developers have to "find the power" of the consoles when tis the complete opposite :lol:.

Its all about Downgrading , they dont add more and more because they magically find teh MHZ! , every is downgraded if it doesnt work, the "Limit" is found straight away, they just have to "cheat around" the limits by removing Quality or optmizing the code, thats all there is too it.

Just like PC games, only they are scaled, some people have a crap experiance, some people have much better than anything the consoles can dish out, the consoles just get the content crammed, crammed and more crammed until it is impossible to get a steady frame rate , ofcourse all factors are taken in like the engine itself.

PS3/Xbox360 RAM is already maxxed and is what limits most games to corridors/sandboxes.

The CPU's - do a number of things, all you can do is optmize the code, which in many cases means comprimise for quality of AI / Physics / Framerate...

Theres no "finding the power" its purely "Downgrading & fitting in the limited hardware" ... the PS2 hit it early on, all the games became clones in terms of size / Graphics / Physics , nothing really pressed foward.

360 & PS3 havnt hit this yet but within a years time no doubt.

with Mass Effect dont come here saying that mass effect is only using 50% of xbox360's power!it looks good but Lair for the ps3 looks almost as good and their only using 20% of ps3's power imagine when ps3 unleashe all of its power!61913

But what will the Ps3 do when Freiza attacks Namek and gets the Dragon Balls again?!

[QUOTE="61913"]with Mass Effect dont come here saying that mass effect is only using 50% of xbox360's power!it looks good but Lair for the ps3 looks almost as good and their only using 20% of ps3's power imagine when ps3 unleashe all of its power!Spartanx23

Power. I can't believe people still try to challenge the 360's power. What are you thinking?:| The 360 is the clear leader as far as technology goes. It has the better GPU and more memory. Memory being the most important part! Prepare yourself when Unreal Tournement 3, GTA4, Call of Duty 4, Assassin's Creed, and other high profile mutiplats look and run better on 360.

I can't wait to see what you have to say when Halo 3 ends up looking and playing better than Killzone, if they even have the balls to show it this E3.

I don't even care about graphics, and if I did, I would get the 360! Any idiot with a pair of working eyes can see that. The only thing you can maybe brag about is the Cell's computational power, which is still only in theory. We have yet to see a single PS3 game step up to the plate, so why not just drop it.

You can come back when, and if any PS3 game truly surpasses the 360. Good luck by the way.:)

If you wanted to experience the best games on the planet, then you should have bought the 360 for cheaper. You would be playing the best of the best right now! Any one who was smart, I.E. me, would have waited to get the PS3 when actual games showed up.

Stuff like MGS4, GT5, GoW3, and whatever sweet game Team ICO comes up with.

This also goes withoutmentioning the fact that the system won't be the clear ripoff that it currently is. I'd say the PS3 is worth 300, same as the 360. I could care less that Sony tried to make me buy an overpricedBlue-ray player.

When I do finally pick up my PS3, you can be sure it was for the exclusive games that it features. Not Blue-ray, notthe gimmicky Cell, and not some gimmicky 6-axis BS either. It will be for a system thatshould have retailed for $300-400, just like the 360.

I will always be fact that Sony didn't focus on a games machine, while Microsoft did! Take apart the 360, and all you'll find is a pure games machine. Take apart the PS3, and all you'll find is unproven technology.

I'm not trying to bash the PS3, because I'll eventually get one. I think the exclusive games will be great. Uncharted, Lair, MGS4, GT5, Heavenly Sword, Killzone 2, and Little Big Planet among others. But in no way shape or form is the PS3 the most powerfull.

I would suggest you just enjoy what you have, and stop the comparisons. I love FPS's like Halo 3, Haze, Unreal 3, and Killzone2, but everybody knows Halo 3will bethe King! If you even have to question that, then it's too late for you.:(

These upcoming gamesare going to use a lot of each systems power. When a PS3 developer says that they'reonly usinga certain percentage of power, thenyou can bet they mean the Cell. The PS3's GPU will never win. The PS3 will never win memory either, so you better pray the Cell produces graphics.:D

It's too bad you even care. It's sad.:(

wow...there's so much wonderful ownage in that post. :P great work :)

this is just stupid. The PS3 only runs at 70% efficiency, so they will never get to all its powah. Besides that the memory bottleneck and inferior RSX will be sure to prevent it from ever looking as good as a 360 game.

So what's your point? Are you saying the PS3 can never do Mass Effect?