@aigis said:
@mesome713 said:
@aigis: Its scale is unmatched.
Just Cause 2? FFXV?
Xenoblade Chronicles X is bigger in scale.
Xenoblade X is the best RPG of the generation and it's not even close
@Bigboi500 said:
@silversix_ said:
Here's what i think of this game, it came out on the wrong platform. The only thing this game showcases is the limitations of the WiiU. This game should've been a launch title of the NX. Also, why wasn't this an mmo? If its THIS big and has THIS MUCH grind, doesn't it suits the mmo formula? I think it does. Personally, i think that the only reason why this isn't an mmo is because the WiiU had shit online infrastructure and isn't powerful enough to render more than 3 other players on screen... Flawed gem is a good way of describing this game.
As usual, you're way off base when discussing a Nintendo game. Either a) get Nintendo systems so you're educated about them or b) stop making yourself look ridiculous by not talking about Nintendo games in the future. There's also option c) continue being the village idiot by not changing.
easy, option C.
@mesome713 said:
@JangoWuzHere said:
I really enjoyed the exploration and combat in XCX, but everything else in the game is average or terrible. A lot of its design for questing feels ancient for a game in 2015. Having the "go here kill 7 monsters" is simply unexciting. The story telling is some hot garbage with its overly long and poorly animated cutscenes. Besides Linn and Tatsu, most of the characters are just boring. Even your own created character is lame, he/she barely participates in the story. The game also pulls an Order 1886 and ends the game on what feels like Act 2 of a three Act story. The game doesn't resolve the questions you actually care about, it's all shoehorned in for a sequel or DLC or whatever.
It's not a bad game, but seriously, people need to go play some more video games. You would have to be completely blind or in fanboy world to not see the huge amounts of problems in its design.
Funny you enjoyed Lin and Tatsu, the majority of people who complain about the characters complain about those two. Also funny you think its questing design feels ancient considering majority have praised the game for its ability to quickly navigate between questing using the on the fly transportation system via the Gamepad.
@aigis: Its scale is unmatched.
Who is this majority you refer to? I've never heard of a vocal backlash against those characters, if there was, then those people have no taste. Everyone else is a boring one-dimensional cutout, Linn and Tatsu inject some actual personality into that world. Not sure how having the Wii U gamepad makes the quest design better. The gamepad is cool for XCX, but that doesn't make the questing actually fun.
@JangoWuzHere: Its makes it so that you can quickly navigate from quest to quest. I agree tough, Lin and Tatsu are my favorites, i was just saying, that the people who complain about Xenoblade X's characters, thats usually who they are always complaining about.
@aigis: Seems your right about the map size, but Xenoblade Chronicles X is still massive. Its 154 square miles. Its also amazing in height. Which is a lot bigger then The Witcher 3's 54 square miles.
@JangoWuzHere said:
@mesome713 said:
@JangoWuzHere said:
I really enjoyed the exploration and combat in XCX, but everything else in the game is average or terrible. A lot of its design for questing feels ancient for a game in 2015. Having the "go here kill 7 monsters" is simply unexciting. The story telling is some hot garbage with its overly long and poorly animated cutscenes. Besides Linn and Tatsu, most of the characters are just boring. Even your own created character is lame, he/she barely participates in the story. The game also pulls an Order 1886 and ends the game on what feels like Act 2 of a three Act story. The game doesn't resolve the questions you actually care about, it's all shoehorned in for a sequel or DLC or whatever.
It's not a bad game, but seriously, people need to go play some more video games. You would have to be completely blind or in fanboy world to not see the huge amounts of problems in its design.
Funny you enjoyed Lin and Tatsu, the majority of people who complain about the characters complain about those two. Also funny you think its questing design feels ancient considering majority have praised the game for its ability to quickly navigate between questing using the on the fly transportation system via the Gamepad.
@aigis: Its scale is unmatched.
Who is this majority you refer to? I've never heard of a vocal backlash against those characters, if there was, then those people have no taste. Everyone else is a boring one-dimensional cutout, Linn and Tatsu inject some actual personality into that world. Not sure how having the Wii U gamepad makes the quest design better. The gamepad is cool for XCX, but that doesn't make the questing actually fun.
Lin doesnt bother me the way tatsu does. Tatsu is really an obnoxious character...
@mesome713 said:
@aigis: Seems your right about the map size, but Xenoblade Chronicles X is still massive. Its 154 square miles. Which is a lot bigger then The Witcher 3's 54 square miles.
but the scale is unmatched! But honestly real talk here, characters and story > map size. The witcher's map is better because there is a lot more going on lore wise and character wise. The world is only as interesting as you are invested in it. Size is a good thing to have (hey now) and Xenoblade has an awesome map, but the witcher captures a better balance to be the better game
@aigis: Yeah, sorry, i just disagree. I like Xenoblades map way better. I love me some hardcore combat, and Xenoblades map gives me plenty.
@aigis: Both, Xenoblades world is just breath taking. The height of it is amazing. So man dungeons, secrets, vistas, diverse environments, shapes, creatures, everything. Its a hardcore gamers dream, you get lost for hours just fighting stuff.
@aigis said:
@mesome713: Agree to disagree then. I wouldnt exactly call it a hardcore gamer's dream...
I would. The end game challenges are some of the toughest I've been through. There's still mega bosses I haven't beaten. This stuff is better than the weapons in FF7. Now I"m planning my augments, gear, and elements in ways I didn't think of in the beginning. And that is only to stand a chance of winning. Victory isn't guaranteed.
@bunchanumbers said:
@aigis said:
@mesome713: Agree to disagree then. I wouldnt exactly call it a hardcore gamer's dream...
I would. The end game challenges are some of the toughest I've been through. There's still mega bosses I haven't beaten. This stuff is better than the weapons in FF7. Now I"m planning my augments, gear, and elements in ways I didn't think of in the beginning. And that is only to stand a chance of winning. Victory isn't guaranteed.
lol, difficulty isnt the only criteria to make a game a hardcore gamer's dream.
@aigis said:
@bunchanumbers said:
@aigis said:
@mesome713: Agree to disagree then. I wouldnt exactly call it a hardcore gamer's dream...
I would. The end game challenges are some of the toughest I've been through. There's still mega bosses I haven't beaten. This stuff is better than the weapons in FF7. Now I"m planning my augments, gear, and elements in ways I didn't think of in the beginning. And that is only to stand a chance of winning. Victory isn't guaranteed.
lol, difficulty isnt the only criteria to make a game a hardcore gamer's dream.
Are you sure? Seems like that is what gets the Souls games their acclaim. It sure isn't the deep involving story and character depth and development.
@aigis said:My first console was a Nintendo... Anybody who doesnt see that the video game medium has expanded past mindlessness into being able to craft games that can rival novels and film in terms of artistic vision are really just ignorant.
So in the end you're the one being ignorant about what a game is. You say that a game can rival films in terms of artistic vision? Of course it can, you only need to put 2 hours of cinematic sequences into the game and there you have it. And returning to my book example, you could also say that a book's cover can rival any painting when it comes to artistic vision as well.
But the fact is that even if you put the BEST paint EVER MADE into the cover of a mediocre book the book will still be mediocre, and you'll see nobody saying "books can rival the best paintings when it comes to express feelings so it having the best painting as a cover puts it above better written books with uglier covers". Hell, you could say the same about movie posters and even the greatest poster wouldn't make a bad movie to be considered good in the least.
The problem here is that you seem to have some kind of complex against videogames, do you think that the quality of a videogame can be judged by the cinematic aspects of it? Do you think you can judge a book by its cover or a movie by its poster? And why do you speak about "mindlessness" when Xenoblade X is a game that punishes playing in a mindlessness way infinitely more than The Witcher 3 simply because of its much more complex gameplay design? You're clearly downplaying the medium when you say that videogames are "mindless" if they don't try to be movies (it seems that the Playstation propaganda has left an impression to you).
Videogames are GAMES displayed through a VIDEO signal, and they should be respected for what they are. The difference between videogames and movies is that videogames were stigmatized for being what they were and that didn't change until they tried to be something else.
I'll put you another clear example. Let's do with football what you do with videgoames. Would you say that someone that plays football simply for the sake of playing football is more "mindless" than someone that interprets a role while playing football? Hey, look at Messi, he is good with the ball but he can't act while he plays so he is a mindless player and can't be the best of the world XD
@aigis A game can be perfectly fine without a great story or characters, but praising a game as the greatest or flawless is really just promoting oversight. If you want to keep video games in the dark ages be my guest
The "dark ages"? You mean those "dark ages" where videogames were heavily stigmatized because they weren't trying to be movies? Well, I enjoyed videogames back then because I like TO PLAY, and yes, back then they were something "mindless" or "kiddy" but it's obvious to me that the solution is not to turn a videogame into a movie.
And no, I'm not prompting oversight, I'm just giving importance to what defines videogames as a medium and not trying to turn them into movies. Can a movie be bad because it has bad promotional posters? Can a book be bad because it has a bad cover? My opinion is NO, because that's not what those medium intend, and the same goes for games. Think about it, aren't you the one "promoting oversight" when you try to cover flaws in the most crucial aspect of a game (it's rules, or in videogamy terms, it's gameplay) with things that are tangential to a game's core design like it's graphics or it's writing? Wouldn't you accuse someone saying "hey this movie may have a bad plot and a bad direction but it has a hell of a promotional poster so it's a good movie in the end" of "promoting oversight"? Because I'm sure I would.
@aigis said:
@freezamite said:
@aigis said:
@freezamite said:
Of course it can. That's like saying "a book can be fine without a good cover, but it can't be 'the best of the generation".
No its saying a book without a good plot or characters, but it has pretty font is the best book of the generation
So you're saying that the GAMEPLAY of a GAME is like the font of a book XD
Look man, a book is meant to be read, a game is meant to be PLAYED. What's important in a book is the story it explains, in a game what's important is how well designed its gameplay is. Were videogames designed with the aim to explain stories? Only someone whose first console was a Playstation would answer "yes" to that question.
My first console was a Nintendo... Anybody who doesnt see that the video game medium has expanded past mindlessness into being able to craft games that can rival novels and film in terms of artistic vision are really just ignorant. A game can be perfectly fine without a great story or characters, but praising a game as the greatest or flawless is really just promoting oversight. If you want to keep video games in the dark ages be my guest
In terms of artistic vision, video games don't hold a candle compared to novels or films... with the exception of visual novels (which sacrifice gameplay to focus on novel-like storytelling).
The greatest video games don't need good stories, just like the greatest sports or the greatest board games don't need good stories. Video games have their roots in sports and board games, not films or novels.
@freezamite said:
@aigis said:My first console was a Nintendo... Anybody who doesnt see that the video game medium has expanded past mindlessness into being able to craft games that can rival novels and film in terms of artistic vision are really just ignorant.
So in the end you're the one being ignorant about what a game is. You say that a game can rival films in terms of artistic vision? Of course it can, you only need to put 2 hours of cinematic sequences into the game and there you have it. And returning to my book example, you could also say that a book's cover can rival any painting when it comes to artistic vision as well.
But the fact is that even if you put the BEST paint EVER MADE into the cover of a mediocre book the book will still be mediocre, and you'll see nobody saying "books can rival the best paintings when it comes to express feelings so it having the best painting as a cover puts it above better written books with uglier covers". Hell, you could say the same about movie posters and even the greatest poster wouldn't make a bad movie to be considered good in the least.
The problem here is that you seem to have some kind of complex against videogames, do you think that the quality of a videogame can be judged by the cinematic aspects of it? Do you think you can judge a book by its cover or a movie by its poster? And why do you speak about "mindlessness" when Xenoblade X is a game that punishes playing in a mindlessness way infinitely more than The Witcher 3 simply because of its much more complex gameplay design? You're clearly downplaying the medium when you say that videogames are "mindless" if they don't try to be movies (it seems that the Playstation propaganda has left an impression to you).
Videogames are GAMES displayed through a VIDEO signal, and they should be respected for what they are. The difference between videogames and movies is that videogames were stigmatized for being what they were and that didn't change until they tried to be something else.
I'll put you another clear example. Let's do with football what you do with videgoames. Would you say that someone that plays football simply for the sake of playing football is more "mindless" than someone that interprets a role while playing football? Hey, look at Messi, he is good with the ball but he can't act while he plays so he is a mindless player and can't be the best of the world XD
It's incredible how someone can write so much, but say so little. A game should not be a pure film. If a game had little to no gameplay it would no longer be a game, so I agree that good gameplay is needed for a great game (You make it sound like im anti-gameplay). With that being said, games can now give emotional payoff in a way that they really couldnt before and to evolve is what makes video games better than before in most aspects. Video games can tell stories, create worlds and interesting characters, all of which XCX tries to do, but ultimately failed to do. To say that these are non-essential elements when other games can do it and do it well is being ignorant to how gaming has evolved.
Side note: Please stop with the analogies, they are all over the place and usually are comparing apples to oranges
@Jag85 said:
@aigis said:
@freezamite said:
@aigis said:
No its saying a book without a good plot or characters, but it has pretty font is the best book of the generation
So you're saying that the GAMEPLAY of a GAME is like the font of a book XD
Look man, a book is meant to be read, a game is meant to be PLAYED. What's important in a book is the story it explains, in a game what's important is how well designed its gameplay is. Were videogames designed with the aim to explain stories? Only someone whose first console was a Playstation would answer "yes" to that question.
My first console was a Nintendo... Anybody who doesnt see that the video game medium has expanded past mindlessness into being able to craft games that can rival novels and film in terms of artistic vision are really just ignorant. A game can be perfectly fine without a great story or characters, but praising a game as the greatest or flawless is really just promoting oversight. If you want to keep video games in the dark ages be my guest
In terms of artistic vision, video games don't hold a candle compared to novels or films... with the exception of visual novels (which sacrifice gameplay to focus on novel-like storytelling).
The greatest video games don't need good stories, just like the greatest sports or the greatest board games don't need good stories. Video games have their roots in sports and board games, not films or novels.
I would disagree with that wholeheartedly. The best games have likable characters and a story that allows you to get to know them and the world. Video games are special cause they can mix story telling into interactive gameplay. Its shouldnt be one or the other, but the perfect balance between the two.
Would have been if not for Tatsu - most hated & annoying character...useless & not even cute. Hope for their next game they won't include another character like him. :p
@aigis said:
@freezamite said:
@aigis said:My first console was a Nintendo... Anybody who doesnt see that the video game medium has expanded past mindlessness into being able to craft games that can rival novels and film in terms of artistic vision are really just ignorant.
So in the end you're the one being ignorant about what a game is. You say that a game can rival films in terms of artistic vision? Of course it can, you only need to put 2 hours of cinematic sequences into the game and there you have it. And returning to my book example, you could also say that a book's cover can rival any painting when it comes to artistic vision as well.
But the fact is that even if you put the BEST paint EVER MADE into the cover of a mediocre book the book will still be mediocre, and you'll see nobody saying "books can rival the best paintings when it comes to express feelings so it having the best painting as a cover puts it above better written books with uglier covers". Hell, you could say the same about movie posters and even the greatest poster wouldn't make a bad movie to be considered good in the least.
The problem here is that you seem to have some kind of complex against videogames, do you think that the quality of a videogame can be judged by the cinematic aspects of it? Do you think you can judge a book by its cover or a movie by its poster? And why do you speak about "mindlessness" when Xenoblade X is a game that punishes playing in a mindlessness way infinitely more than The Witcher 3 simply because of its much more complex gameplay design? You're clearly downplaying the medium when you say that videogames are "mindless" if they don't try to be movies (it seems that the Playstation propaganda has left an impression to you).
Videogames are GAMES displayed through a VIDEO signal, and they should be respected for what they are. The difference between videogames and movies is that videogames were stigmatized for being what they were and that didn't change until they tried to be something else.
I'll put you another clear example. Let's do with football what you do with videgoames. Would you say that someone that plays football simply for the sake of playing football is more "mindless" than someone that interprets a role while playing football? Hey, look at Messi, he is good with the ball but he can't act while he plays so he is a mindless player and can't be the best of the world XD
It's incredible how someone can write so much, but say so little. A game should not be a pure film. If a game had little to no gameplay it would no longer be a game, so I agree that good gameplay is needed for a great game (You make it sound like im anti-gameplay). With that being said, games can now give emotional payoff in a way that they really couldnt before and to evolve is what makes video games better than before in most aspects. Video games can tell stories, create worlds and interesting characters, all of which XCX tries to do, but ultimately failed to do. To say that these are non-essential elements when other games can do it and do it well is being ignorant to how gaming has evolved.
Side note: Please stop with the analogies, they are all over the place and usually are comparing apples to oranges
And even devoting so many lines trying to explain it to you, you still haven't understood it XD
The fact that a game can now "give emotional payoff" doesn't mean that this is something a game has to even try to do. Do you know a game can be educational and thus "give intellectual payoff" to the ones playing? And are you going to say that a game can't be the best thing ever if it isn't educational?
Games are games, movies are movies, books are books and paints are paints. You won't judge a movie based on how well the official summary is written, you won't judge books based on how beautiful it's cover is and you won't judge paints based on the amount of text included in the painting or its interactiveness (do you know that some paints change a bit depending on from where you look at them? And are you going to say that a paint can't be considered the best if it doesn't have this effect on the viewer? LOL). So it's obvious that a game's quality can't be judged based on aspects that don't define gaming like the script or if it has good voice acting.
And lastly, you repeating one time and another that XCX doesn't have any interesting characters or an interesting world (LOL) won't make it true. It may not have a Robert Baratheon clone like The Witcher 3 (even if better written than any Xenoblade X character, let's not pretend that the blood baron is anything more than a bad copy of this character) but it still have lots of interesting conflicts (deaths in Xenoblade X have more impact than the ones in Witcher 3) and good enough characters as well. I mean, not only are you trying to judge videogames based in cinema criteria, but you're also trying to downplay Xenoblade X as much as you can in that aspect to try to compensate the immense difference between it and The Witcher 3 when it comes to playability and world design.
I heard Xenoblade has shit story and its full of MMO style fetch quests. The graphics are shit too. Witcher 3 is better in every way possible.
@freezamite:
@freezamite said:
Despite being on the less popular platform, and having the least amount of GOTY awards, in terms of what defines a game it's by far the best.
It may not have the best writing, it may not have the best plot (nothing matches Witcher's 3 sidequests, although I find it good enough and in terms of main quests it's better than the one in Witcher 3) but it has the best gameplay by far.
Are we playing spot the fanboy?
@mesome713 said:
@FireEmblem_Man said:
@mesome713 said:
@FireEmblem_Man said:
@mesome713: You keep saying that, yet you still haven't played it. Keep dreaming because Xenoblade X still has issue of it's own as well
I keep saying that cause its a fact. Half fact.
So in other words, you still haven't played it! Game has been fixed, I enjoyed it despite the bugs and in the end all games have bugs, including Nintendo games
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Nintendo games are never that bad, not even close. Nintendo also never releases Definitive Edition since they had to fix so much. The Witcher 3 Definitive Edition coming soon, just like always, after they finish patching it of course, i hear they still have a while trying to fix everything. Hopefully they fix it all this year though.
Cuz nintendo games are simple and will probably never be as vast as a game like witcher 3 lol
@aigis said:
@YearoftheSnake5: XD I feeling like im asking for punishment sometimes :P
bruh like dude i swear lol exhibit A:
@Bigboi500 said:
@silversix_ said:
Here's what i think of this game, it came out on the wrong platform. The only thing this game showcases is the limitations of the WiiU. This game should've been a launch title of the NX. Also, why wasn't this an mmo? If its THIS big and has THIS MUCH grind, doesn't it suits the mmo formula? I think it does. Personally, i think that the only reason why this isn't an mmo is because the WiiU had shit online infrastructure and isn't powerful enough to render more than 3 other players on screen... Flawed gem is a good way of describing this game.
As usual, you're way off base when discussing a Nintendo game. Either a) get Nintendo systems so you're educated about them or b) stop making yourself look ridiculous by not talking about Nintendo games in the future. There's also option c) continue being the village idiot by not changing.
Defending a console where a game like Xenoblade Chronicles X takes up almost half the memory of the "deluxe" version of the console. I think i just went full white girl cuz i literally cant even
@YearoftheSnake5 said:
I'm getting close to the end of the main story. The world is lovingly crafted and packed with all sorts of interesting creatures. This quality and attention to detail doesn't seem to have carried over into the story, which has been really generic and disappointing so far. I hate how affinity missions are shoehorned into the requirements for story missions, especially when the mission has nothing to do with your quest to find the Life Hold. One mission involved finding a guy's cat. I shit you not. There are a ton of annoying characters and rambling dialog. The Manon sound like Alvin and the Chipmunks with annoying speech habits. Tatsu makes me appreciate the hell out of Riki, who was my least favorite character in the first game. I could go on.
I'm hoping for some twist. I DO like the game. Despite my negativity, I do like it. I was hyped as hell for Xenoblade X. It improves on the original in some ways, and disappoints in others. In short, I disagree. XCX isn't the best RPG of this gen so far. I believe that goes to The Witcher 3.
hahaha..yea the find the dog & cats quest is dumb...the nopons in this game are pretty annoying too..their quest are pretty bad as well. Loathe Tatsu. Don't disagree about the other stuff.. Need to get unto The Witcher 3 once I finish off Xenoblade X.. lots of praises for The Witcher 3. :P
@jcrame10 said:
@mesome713 said:
@FireEmblem_Man said:
@mesome713 said:
@FireEmblem_Man said:
@mesome713: You keep saying that, yet you still haven't played it. Keep dreaming because Xenoblade X still has issue of it's own as well
I keep saying that cause its a fact. Half fact.
So in other words, you still haven't played it! Game has been fixed, I enjoyed it despite the bugs and in the end all games have bugs, including Nintendo games
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Nintendo games are never that bad, not even close. Nintendo also never releases Definitive Edition since they had to fix so much. The Witcher 3 Definitive Edition coming soon, just like always, after they finish patching it of course, i hear they still have a while trying to fix everything. Hopefully they fix it all this year though.
Cuz nintendo games are simple and will probably never be as vast as a game like witcher 3 lol
Yes, that's why Xeno X has like twice the content of Witcher 3 (if we talk about meaningful content, then multiply that by 5), in a world at least 3 times bigger and with a battle system that not only is much more complex but it's also not broken like the one in Witcher 3. Oh, and also 0 bugs from day one.
I still need to play it(prob over the summer)
Why do I have a feeling this is another overhyped japanese open world RPG? I plan to try it...
but after buying Dragons Dogma on PC ... and turning it off after 4 hours because it was so boring/mediocre/ugly and repetitive....... with no worthwhile motivation ... I realise most of these games are typical console games that get overhyped and just suck....
@freezamite: Again apples and oranges analogies... Really im just going to tie this up with my last though on the matter. Anybody who thinks that story and character arent essential for a game to be great in an rpg are only kidding themselves. Honestly you are probably just a fakeboy or a really big sheep at this point cause this argument is so dumb....
@aigis said:
@freezamite: Again apples and oranges analogies... Really im just going to tie this up with my last though on the matter. Anybody who thinks that story and character arent essential for a game to be great in an rpg are only kidding themselves. Honestly you are probably just a fakeboy or a really big sheep at this point cause this argument is so dumb....
Apples and oranges what? So a game has to have an "emotional payoff" to be great but not an "intellectual payoff" for example? Story and Character will never be essential in any kind of game. Have you even tried to play a role game with your friends (not a videogame)? The story is the least important and it's shit 100% of the times, what matters is the character's abilities and the overall rules we apply to the game.
Now, that being said, I even doubt you've played Xenoblade X. I mean, not only you speak as if every single character was Tatsu or if the game had the usual tropes found in a JRPG but you also seem to insist in that the overall story is not good while defending The Witcher 3 and it's even more bland overall plot (even a fanboy like you should admit that the strength of The Witcher 3 lies in secondary missions like the Bloody Robert Baratheon and not the main quest per se).
@freezamite said:
@jcrame10 said:
@mesome713 said:
@FireEmblem_Man said:
@mesome713 said:
I keep saying that cause its a fact. Half fact.
So in other words, you still haven't played it! Game has been fixed, I enjoyed it despite the bugs and in the end all games have bugs, including Nintendo games
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Nintendo games are never that bad, not even close. Nintendo also never releases Definitive Edition since they had to fix so much. The Witcher 3 Definitive Edition coming soon, just like always, after they finish patching it of course, i hear they still have a while trying to fix everything. Hopefully they fix it all this year though.
Cuz nintendo games are simple and will probably never be as vast as a game like witcher 3 lol
Yes, that's why Xeno X has like twice the content of Witcher 3 (if we talk about meaningful content, then multiply that by 5), in a world at least 3 times bigger and with a battle system that not only is much more complex but it's also not broken like the one in Witcher 3. Oh, and also 0 bugs from day one.
Is the game really THAT good? You guys are seriously making me consider getting it. It's just when i saw trailers and gameplay, it didnt look that great. Plus, I've never finished Xenoblade Chronicles on Wii. I'm just afraid its gonna be another run of the mill JRPG, most games in the genre have been so-so in recent years. What really makes it so much better than something like the Witcher3? Just the world size and battle system?
@freezamite said:
@aigis said:
@freezamite: Again apples and oranges analogies... Really im just going to tie this up with my last though on the matter. Anybody who thinks that story and character arent essential for a game to be great in an rpg are only kidding themselves. Honestly you are probably just a fakeboy or a really big sheep at this point cause this argument is so dumb....
Apples and oranges what? So a game has to have an "emotional payoff" to be great but not an "intellectual payoff" for example? Story and Character will never be essential in any kind of game. Have you even tried to play a role game with your friends (not a videogame)? The story is the least important and it's shit 100% of the times, what matters is the character's abilities and the overall rules we apply to the game.
Now, that being said, I even doubt you've played Xenoblade X. I mean, not only you speak as if every single character was Tatsu or if the game had the usual tropes found in a JRPG but you also seem to insist in that the overall story is not good while defending The Witcher 3 and it's even more bland overall plot (even a fanboy like you should admit that the strength of The Witcher 3 lies in secondary missions like the Bloody Robert Baratheon and not the main quest per se).
Apples and Oranges in the fact that your whole second paragraph before has no meaning, try being concise in your writing... You sir a probably just a troll cause your arguments make 0 sense and now I feeling like im am just banging my head against a brick wall. Agree to disagree
@MBirdy88 said:
Why do I have a feeling this is another overhyped japanese open world RPG? I plan to try it...
but after buying Dragons Dogma on PC ... and turning it off after 4 hours because it was so boring/mediocre/ugly and repetitive....... with no worthwhile motivation ... I realise most of these games are typical console games that get overhyped and just suck....
Come to Nintendo mate, youll never be let down by another boring GTA, Assassins Creed, Dragons Dogma, Tales of Whatever, and all them wannabe CoD's.
@MBirdy88 said:
Why do I have a feeling this is another overhyped japanese open world RPG? I plan to try it...
but after buying Dragons Dogma on PC ... and turning it off after 4 hours because it was so boring/mediocre/ugly and repetitive....... with no worthwhile motivation ... I realise most of these games are typical console games that get overhyped and just suck....
Its fine, but its nowhere near the level sheep will praise it for just because its a wii u exclusive...
@Xaero_Gravity said:
I completely disagree. The most part of an RPG is its narrative in my opinion, and XBX falls flat on its face in that regard. I couldn't care less about any of the characters, and as such, couldn't care less about what happens next.
I completely disagree. While the main plot might not be great, the amount of conversations you can have with all the NPCs and all the stories of all the sidequests and affinity quests make for a really engaging world/overall story.
It is my number one game this gen as well. It has everything I want in a game. Acclaim? Review scores? These things mean nothing to me. I like what I like. I own every game in the Xeno series (starting with Xenogears on Ps1) and I just love these guys to death. It is the best game this gen? No. Does not have to be to be my Number one.
@jcrame10 said:
@freezamite said:
@jcrame10 said:
@mesome713 said:
Nintendo games are never that bad, not even close. Nintendo also never releases Definitive Edition since they had to fix so much. The Witcher 3 Definitive Edition coming soon, just like always, after they finish patching it of course, i hear they still have a while trying to fix everything. Hopefully they fix it all this year though.
Cuz nintendo games are simple and will probably never be as vast as a game like witcher 3 lol
Yes, that's why Xeno X has like twice the content of Witcher 3 (if we talk about meaningful content, then multiply that by 5), in a world at least 3 times bigger and with a battle system that not only is much more complex but it's also not broken like the one in Witcher 3. Oh, and also 0 bugs from day one.
Is the game really THAT good? You guys are seriously making me consider getting it. It's just when i saw trailers and gameplay, it didnt look that great. Plus, I've never finished Xenoblade Chronicles on Wii. I'm just afraid its gonna be another run of the mill JRPG, most games in the genre have been so-so in recent years. What really makes it so much better than something like the Witcher3? Just the world size and battle system?
It's even better than "THAT good" in my opinion, but it also has its flaws and since it's so different than most RPGs when it comes to its structure and what intends to do and the game lacks some tutorials it may be a bit hard to get into.
If you didn't finish Xenoblade Chronicles on Wii then you may not like this either (it depends on what made you leave the first Xenoblade unfinished) but if there's an adjective one can't apply to that game that one is "run of the mill JRPG".
Its flaws are mostly related with the entry barrier of the game. There are some aspects of the game that are not explained even in the digital manual and there are some quality of life problems as well (for example, selecting your party members can be a bit frustrating because they're spread all over New LA and they're not highlighted on the map, and even when the most important members are all in the barracks or the comercial district it's usual to waste minutes searching for the character you seek).
But once you get a grip on the game it delivers unlike any other single player RPG I've ever played.
One good QoL feature is that you end having fast-travel points spread all over the world. You may perfectly end with near 100 fast travel points in the end fo the game and the game loads really fast (it never takes more than 10-15 seconds and if you aren't fast-travelling through different continents in 4-5 seconds the job is done) so you'll never waste time travelling unnecessarily.
Then, to compare it to Witcher 3 since you asked for it, what in my opinion puts Xenoblade X much above it is the gameplay. Not only the battle system but the gameplay in general. While in Witcher 3 you may need 70 hours to maximize your character to a point where nothing can defeat you, in Xenoblade I'm still far from being able to defeat the strongest enemies even after spending more than 160 hours in it. In W3 you power up Geralt until nothing can defeat him, in Xeno X you start powering up your character, then you start to upgrade the Frontier Nav system that's your main source of resources and after that you'll get the skells which is another layer that adds to the gameplay.
Your main character can't level up past level 60, and if you want to 100% the game you'll have to fight against 90+ level monsters, so managing your habilities/arts/equipment/skells/frontier nav becomes a must.
Then there's the world design, which is also a huge part of the gameplay. Xenoblade X's world is so good not because of its size but because of it's design. This is not your usual "let's put a big plain terrain with some enemies here and there" but a much more tightly designed package which allows for a much more rewarding exploration.
And finally, the game has much more meaningful content than Witcher 3. In W3 I spent hours and hours doing shit for the sake of completion, while in Xenoblade X rare are the ocasions where there isn't a worthwhile reward to compensate for your efforts. In fact, in TW3 I was progressing purely to see how the story advanced and what new stories would be explained in the new sidequests, while in Xenoblade X even if that may also apply the main motivation is to upgrade something (there's a **** ton of upgradeable things) to become stronger.
@aigis: Apples and Oranges in the fact that your whole second paragraph before has no meaning, try being concise in your writing... You sir a probably just a troll cause your arguments make 0 sense and now I feeling like im am just banging my head against a brick wall. Agree to disagree
No meaning? I'm just saying that a videogame script is as important for a game as the movie poster for a movie. It's not that hard to grasp, don't you think?
@freezamite said:
@aigis: Apples and Oranges in the fact that your whole second paragraph before has no meaning, try being concise in your writing... You sir a probably just a troll cause your arguments make 0 sense and now I feeling like im am just banging my head against a brick wall. Agree to disagree
No meaning? I'm just saying that a videogame script is as important for a game as the movie poster for a movie. It's not that hard to grasp, don't you think?
I understand what you are saying, I just think its very simpleminded of you
@jcrame10: Sheep will claim that the battle system (which is hard to get into) and bigger world size make it a better game if not the greatest jrpg ever made (which is not even close), but according to them good story and characters are "non-essential" in a rpg game. Its not a terrible game, but its nowhere close to touching a good rpg like the witcher 3 and far from being the greatest jrpg. At the end of the day having a big map and being a wii u exclusive are the only reasons it gets attention
@jcrame10: You dont have to take that long, you can blaze through the game more casually if you want. If a boss is giving you problems, the game will ask if you want to lower the difficulty to help you. You can also skip all the side quest, they are only to help you some with money, items and experience, things not required to beat the game. This game is a masterpiece, it has everything. There is no game like it, not even close. Some will tell you the story is horrible, but they just haters, even majority of reviewers stated the story was good. Even the harsh Jim Sterling said story was great and music was amazing.
All games have their flaws just as Xenoblade X does, but Xenoblade X has less flaws then any game i know off.
@aigis said:
I'd take the advice of sheep with a grain of salt...
Coming from someone who rated Splatoon a 4, i dont think id take your advice at all.
@jcrame10 said:
@freezamite: sounds like a really grindy game. i generally dont like my games to take 200+ hours to complete. more interested in a linear style, although i can still get into games like witcher and metal gear 5 every now and then.
Well, those 200+ hours are if you go for 100% completion (which is not a 100% like in The Witcher where you have to hunt every single treasure chest out there) and while there's grinding in the game I don't think it's particularly bad in that aspect (although it's more grindy than Witcher 3 for example).
Now, if you prefer linear games and you didn't finish the first Xenoblade, I don't think this game is for you. It has some absolutely great features (one thing I've forgotten to comment is the affinity chart and how it reflects the decisions you take while doing the quests, including some character's deaths) but it's the opposite of a linear game so...
@aigis: Sheep will claim that the battle system (which is hard to get into) and bigger world size make it a better game if not the greatest jrpg ever made (which is not even close), but according to them good story and characters are "non-essential" in a rpg game.
Sheep you say? Look, at this point I even doubt you've played the game (hell, you were trying to defend that Witcher 3 is a more HARDCORE experience, I mean, LOL). Not only it seems that you aren't able to comprehend what you're told (who has said that Xeno X is better because it's bigger? I think that only you have made that claim in an attempt to downplay Xenoblade X's qualities) but you seem to have an anti-Nintendo agenda.
And yes, story and characters will never be comparable to gameplay, no matter the genre or the game.
@aigis: I understand what you are saying, I just think its very simpleminded of you
As simpleminded as not considering the quality of the drawing of a movie poster when analysing the movie itself.
@mesome713: All games have their flaws just as Xenoblade X does, but Xenoblade X has less flaws then any game i know off.
I don't think this is accurate. Xenoblade X has it's own share of flaws (the game doesn't explain some important concepts that should be explained, some QoL problems like the ones I described, etc.) but it's qualities are so over the top (I've never seen a game with so much meaningful content, or with a handcrafted world of that size) that easily put it in my list of best games ever played.
@freezamite said:
@aigis: I understand what you are saying, I just think its very simpleminded of you
As simpleminded as not considering the quality of the drawing of a movie poster when analysing the movie itself.
But your analogies arent accurate is the point... apples and oranges
@freezamite said:
@aigis: Sheep will claim that the battle system (which is hard to get into) and bigger world size make it a better game if not the greatest jrpg ever made (which is not even close), but according to them good story and characters are "non-essential" in a rpg game.
Not only it seems that you aren't able to comprehend what you're told (who has said that Xeno X is better because it's bigger? I think that only you have made that claim in an attempt to downplay Xenoblade X's qualities) but you seem to have an anti-Nintendo agenda.
Mesome and I were talking about size above
@aigis: your the one that decided to go the ad-hominem route by calling him a sheep. Taking a dig at your "harsh but fair" tastes ain't far off
@Shinobishyguy: Having a love for all things Nintendo (which is not a bad thing at all) pertains to XCX. When saying that I dislike Splatoon I think he was trying to make the connection that I hate all things Nintendo, which isnt true, therefore it doesnt effect my view on XCX. I dont really think im being harsh with XCX, I have said its a good game, but its definitely not the best game ever like someone who is biased towards nintendo would say
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