Yahoo: Nintendo swimming in red ink

Where the hell are they spending all of this money? The Wii and 3DS are doing fine. I just don't get it.

Wasdie

It's almost completely to do with the Japanese economy.

The yen is being absolutely punished right now. Wait until you see Sony's next financial report in a few days.

Nintendo though, is very strong and profits will come as the 3DS is prospering. They have a huge warchest of profits built up over the years.

damn, if only Sony were releasing there next gen system at the same time as the Wii-U... they could have taken the final blow to end nintendo.

LP4EVA2005

With the Wii and DS sales, how is it possible? What am I missing?musicalmac

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damn, if only Sony were releasing there next gen system at the same time as the Wii-U... they could have taken the final blow to end nintendo.

phonemug

How so? Sony brings in revenue and profits from multiple avenues. Their music division, financial services division, and pictures division are all profitable. The only division that's really bringing Sony down is its hardware division. Nintendo, on the other hand, pretty much relies on video games, hardware, and accessories to make them a profit. I'm not sure what Nintendo did with their profits from the Wii but they really should have looked towards viable non-gaming markets to make them a profit.

1. Strong Yen
2. Weaker than expected sales; Less Revenue
3. 3DS Price Cut
4. Increase in R&D

- 3DS hardware forecast is 14 million units, down from 16 million in October. Software forecast is 38 million, down from 50 million.

- Wii hardware forecast is 10 million units, down from 12 million. Software forecast is 100 million, unchanged from October.

- DS hardware forecast is 5.5 million units, down from 6 million. Software forecast 59 million, down from 62 million.

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2012/120126e.pdf

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[QUOTE="LP4EVA2005"]

damn, if only Sony were releasing there next gen system at the same time as the Wii-U... they could have taken the final blow to end nintendo.

minh800

How so? Sony brings in revenue and profits from multiple avenues. Their music division, financial services division, and pictures division are all profitable. The only division that's really bringing Sony down is its hardware division. Nintendo, on the other hand, pretty much relies on video games, hardware, and accessories to make them a profit. I'm not sure what Nintendo did with their profits from the Wii but they really should have looked towards viable non-gaming markets to make them a profit.

If the Wii U isnt a hit, its gonna get ugly. Nintendo doesnt have other divisions to keep them alive like MS.........and i guess Sony even though all of their divisions are garbage money pits.

If the Wii U isnt a hit, its gonna get ugly. Nintendo doesnt have other divisions to keep them alive like MS.........and i guess Sony even though all of their divisions are garbage money pits.

Fizzman

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[QUOTE="phonemug"]Nintendo is much, much better financial shape than Sony.

phonemug

How so? Sony brings in revenue and profits from multiple avenues. Their music division, financial services division, and pictures division are all profitable. The only division that's really bringing Sony down is its hardware division. Nintendo, on the other hand, pretty much relies on video games, hardware, and accessories to make them a profit. I'm not sure what Nintendo did with their profits from the Wii but they really should have looked towards viable non-gaming markets to make them a profit.

You have NO idea what you're talking about.

http://www.splatf.com/2011/11/sony-profits/

These divisions have been profitable. For years.

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[QUOTE="LP4EVA2005"]

damn, if only Sony were releasing there next gen system at the same time as the Wii-U... they could have taken the final blow to end nintendo.

minh800

How so? Sony brings in revenue and profits from multiple avenues. Their music division, financial services division, and pictures division are all profitable. The only division that's really bringing Sony down is its hardware division. Nintendo, on the other hand, pretty much relies on video games, hardware, and accessories to make them a profit. I'm not sure what Nintendo did with their profits from the Wii but they really should have looked towards viable non-gaming markets to make them a profit.

Sony's credit rating cut: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-20/sony-s-credit-rating-cut-to-baa1-by-moody-s-panasonic-also-downgraded.html

Sony to post 3.2 billion dollar anual loss: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/23/us-sony-idUSTRE74C70420110523

If the Wii U isnt a hit, its gonna get ugly. Nintendo doesnt have other divisions to keep them alive like MS.........and i guess Sony even though all of their divisions are garbage money pits.

Fizzman

Sony's Music division is the second largest in the world. Their movies division is pretty big too - do you know of Columbia Studios? That's Sony right there. And their financial services is profitable as well.

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If the Wii U isnt a hit, its gonna get ugly. Nintendo doesnt have other divisions to keep them alive like MS.........and i guess Sony even though all of their divisions are garbage money pits.

minh800

Sony's Music division is the second largest in the world. Their movies division is pretty big too - do you know of Columbia Studios? That's Sony right there. And their financial services is profitable as well.

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

If the Wii U isnt a hit, its gonna get ugly. Nintendo doesnt have other divisions to keep them alive like MS.........and i guess Sony even though all of their divisions are garbage money pits.

minh800

Sony's Music division is the second largest in the world. Their movies division is pretty big too - do you know of Columbia Studios? That's Sony right there. And their financial services is profitable as well.

They are bleeding money dude. I cant even remember the last time Sony posted a profit.

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[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

If the Wii U isnt a hit, its gonna get ugly. Nintendo doesnt have other divisions to keep them alive like MS.........and i guess Sony even though all of their divisions are garbage money pits.

phonemug

Sony's Music division is the second largest in the world. Their movies division is pretty big too - do you know of Columbia Studios? That's Sony right there. And their financial services is profitable as well.

[QUOTE="minh800"]

[QUOTE="phonemug"]Nintendo is much, much better financial shape than Sony.

phonemug

How so? Sony brings in revenue and profits from multiple avenues. Their music division, financial services division, and pictures division are all profitable. The only division that's really bringing Sony down is its hardware division. Nintendo, on the other hand, pretty much relies on video games, hardware, and accessories to make them a profit. I'm not sure what Nintendo did with their profits from the Wii but they really should have looked towards viable non-gaming markets to make them a profit.

Sony's credit rating cut: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-20/sony-s-credit-rating-cut-to-baa1-by-moody-s-panasonic-also-downgraded.html

Sony to post 3.2 billion dollar anual loss: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/23/us-sony-idUSTRE74C70420110523

>_>

Jesus Christ. I already said their electronics division is keeping them in the red. But they do have divisions that are profitable.

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[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

If the Wii U isnt a hit, its gonna get ugly. Nintendo doesnt have other divisions to keep them alive like MS.........and i guess Sony even though all of their divisions are garbage money pits.

Fizzman

Sony's Music division is the second largest in the world. Their movies division is pretty big too - do you know of Columbia Studios? That's Sony right there. And their financial services is profitable as well.

They are bleeding money dude. I cant even remember the last time Sony posted a profit.

Their ELECTRONICS division is bleeding money. The rest of the company is doing fine.

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[QUOTE="minh800"]

Sony's Music division is the second largest in the world. Their movies division is pretty big too - do you know of Columbia Studios? That's Sony right there. And their financial services is profitable as well.

minh800

They are bleeding money dude. I cant even remember the last time Sony posted a profit.

Their ELECTRONICS division is bleeding money. The rest of the company is doing fine.

Too bad the rest of those divisions dont offset the massive losses.

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[QUOTE="minh800"]ENTIRE

Sony's Music division is the second largest in the world. Their movies division is pretty big too - do you know of Columbia Studios? That's Sony right there. And their financial services is profitable as well.

minh800

They are bleeding money dude. I cant even remember the last time Sony posted a profit.

Their ELECTRONICS division is bleeding money. The rest of the company is doing fine.

Your math is off.

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[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

If the Wii U isnt a hit, its gonna get ugly. Nintendo doesnt have other divisions to keep them alive like MS.........and i guess Sony even though all of their divisions are garbage money pits.

phonemug

Sony's Music division is the second largest in the world. Their movies division is pretty big too - do you know of Columbia Studios? That's Sony right there. And their financial services is profitable as well.

lol. I already provided proof that Sony has many profitable divisions while you couldn't counter a damn thing. It's your choice to plug your ears and not listen to reason. Do some research. Educate yourself.

maybe they will learn to stop making rehashes and milking every game,lightleggy

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[QUOTE="minh800"]

Sony's Music division is the second largest in the world. Their movies division is pretty big too - do you know of Columbia Studios? That's Sony right there. And their financial services is profitable as well.

minh800

lol. I already provided proof that Sony has many profitable divisions while you couldn't counter a damn thing. It's your choice to plug your ears and not listen to reason. Do some research. Educate yourself.

Sony's credit rating cut: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-20/sony-s-credit-rating-cut-to-baa1-by-moody-s-panasonic-also-downgraded.html

Sony to post 3.2 billion dollar anual loss: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/23/us-sony-idUSTRE74C70420110523

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[QUOTE="phonemug"]Nintendo is much, much better financial shape than Sony.

phonemug

How so? Sony brings in revenue and profits from multiple avenues. Their music division, financial services division, and pictures division are all profitable. The only division that's really bringing Sony down is its hardware division. Nintendo, on the other hand, pretty much relies on video games, hardware, and accessories to make them a profit. I'm not sure what Nintendo did with their profits from the Wii but they really should have looked towards viable non-gaming markets to make them a profit.

Sony's credit rating cut: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-20/sony-s-credit-rating-cut-to-baa1-by-moody-s-panasonic-also-downgraded.html

Sony to post 3.2 billion dollar anual loss: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/23/us-sony-idUSTRE74C70420110523

Thats utter BS. Your telling me company that makes over $80B a year in revenue is going to die because they get themselve in a $4.5B hole over 3 years? A company of that size could pay that debt off with interest in 6-7 years of steady historical profits. Cutting a companies credit rating only makes it harder for them get loans, it doesn't mean they are in the deep ****.

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[QUOTE="phonemug"]You have to be the most outright delusional fanboy I've encountered. Sony is doing so terribly right now that many question whether they will survive the year and it's widely known. You have no idea what you're talking about.

phonemug

lol. I already provided proof that Sony has many profitable divisions while you couldn't counter a damn thing. It's your choice to plug your ears and not listen to reason. Do some research. Educate yourself.

Sony's credit rating cut: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-20/sony-s-credit-rating-cut-to-baa1-by-moody-s-panasonic-also-downgraded.html

Sony to post 3.2 billion dollar anual loss: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/23/us-sony-idUSTRE74C70420110523

Dude, educate yourself. When a conglomerate like Sony states that the company is losing money, it doesn't mean that every division is losing money.

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[QUOTE="minh800"]

How so? Sony brings in revenue and profits from multiple avenues. Their music division, financial services division, and pictures division are all profitable. The only division that's really bringing Sony down is its hardware division. Nintendo, on the other hand, pretty much relies on video games, hardware, and accessories to make them a profit. I'm not sure what Nintendo did with their profits from the Wii but they really should have looked towards viable non-gaming markets to make them a profit.

Nonstop-Madness

Sony's credit rating cut: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-20/sony-s-credit-rating-cut-to-baa1-by-moody-s-panasonic-also-downgraded.html

Sony to post 3.2 billion dollar anual loss: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/23/us-sony-idUSTRE74C70420110523

Thats utter BS. Your telling me company that makes over $80B a year in revenue is going to die because they get themselve in a $4.5B hole over 3 years? A company of that size could pay that debt off with interest in 6-7 years of steady historical profits. Cutting a companies credit rating only makes it harder for them get loans, it doesn't mean they are in the deep ****.

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[QUOTE="minh800"]

lol. I already provided proof that Sony has many profitable divisions while you couldn't counter a damn thing. It's your choice to plug your ears and not listen to reason. Do some research. Educate yourself.

minh800

Sony's credit rating cut: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-20/sony-s-credit-rating-cut-to-baa1-by-moody-s-panasonic-also-downgraded.html

Sony to post 3.2 billion dollar anual loss: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/23/us-sony-idUSTRE74C70420110523

Dude, educate yourself. When a conglomerate like Sony states that the company is losing money, it doesn't mean that every division is losing money.

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]maybe they will learn to stop making rehashes and milking every game,Big_Pecks

hell ya it is, lightleggy has no idea what the hell he talking about :lol:

Anyways, I'm not worried about Nintendo at the slightest. ABC basically reported that Nintendo expects a big hit in revenue for the forecast in April but already has plans to rebound (which includes having a strong launch for the Wii U). I will post the link once I find it for you guys. Again, Nintendo is not going to repeat the 3DS mistake, no way no how. A big lesson was learned and they are pretty aware of that.

I think Wii U will be pretty damn successful this end of year with its launch and the holiday season that follows (unless they bomb at E3). The only two gaming companies that I truly believe are safe are Nintendo and Microsoft. This is speculation, my opinions, take it for what you will. Done

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[QUOTE="phonemug"]I've heard of trolls before but are you going to outright deny that Sony's entire company is posting a 3.2 billion dollar loss this year and just had their credit rating cut?

Sony's credit rating cut: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-20/sony-s-credit-rating-cut-to-baa1-by-moody-s-panasonic-also-downgraded.html

Sony to post 3.2 billion dollar anual loss: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/23/us-sony-idUSTRE74C70420110523

phonemug

Dude, educate yourself. When a conglomerate like Sony states that the company is losing money, it doesn't mean that every division is losing money.

I facepalmed in real life.

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[QUOTE="minh800"]

Dude, educate yourself. When a conglomerate like Sony states that the company is losing money, it doesn't mean that every division is losing money.

minh800

I facepalmed in real life.

I see you've stopped trying to debate this point with anything relevan other than lame one liners. I take that as you bowing out of this argument.

Here I'll post it again. Read more carefully.

Sony's credit rating cut: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-20/sony-s-credit-rating-cut-to-baa1-by-moody-s-panasonic-also-downgraded.html

Sony to post 3.2 billion dollar anual loss: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/23/us-sony-idUSTRE74C70420110523

[QUOTE="phonemug"]

[QUOTE="minh800"]

Dude, educate yourself. When a conglomerate like Sony states that the company is losing money, it doesn't mean that every division is losing money.

minh800

I facepalmed in real life.

I see you've stopped trying to debate this point with anything relevant other than lame one liners. I take that as you bowing out of this argument.

Here I'll post it again. Read more carefully.

Sony's credit rating cut: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-20/sony-s-credit-rating-cut-to-baa1-by-moody-s-panasonic-also-downgraded.html

Sony to post 3.2 billion dollar anual loss: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/23/us-sony-idUSTRE74C70420110523

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[QUOTE="phonemug"]That is encompassing all of their divisions troll.

phonemug

I facepalmed in real life.

I see you've stopped trying to debate this point with anything relevan other than lame one liners. I take that as you bowing out of this argument.

Here I'll post it again. Read more carefully.

Sony's credit rating cut: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-20/sony-s-credit-rating-cut-to-baa1-by-moody-s-panasonic-also-downgraded.html

Sony to post 3.2 billion dollar anual loss: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/23/us-sony-idUSTRE74C70420110523

Sigh. Maybe you can show me evidence that suggests Sony's Music Division, Movies Division, and Financial Services Division have been losing money, mkay? I don't need you to post something that I stated LONG before you did. Yes, their Electronics division is losing money. I said as much a loooong time ago.

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[QUOTE="minh800"]

I facepalmed in real life.

minh800

I see you've stopped trying to debate this point with anything relevan other than lame one liners. I take that as you bowing out of this argument.

Here I'll post it again. Read more carefully.

Sony's credit rating cut: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-20/sony-s-credit-rating-cut-to-baa1-by-moody-s-panasonic-also-downgraded.html

Sony to post 3.2 billion dollar anual loss: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/23/us-sony-idUSTRE74C70420110523

Sigh. Maybe you can show me evidence that suggests Sony's Music Division, Movies Division, and Financial Services Division have been losing money, mkay? I don't need you to post something that I stated LONG before you did. Yes, their Electronics division is losing money. I said as much a loooong time ago.

I just posted evidence that their entire business lost 3.2 billion in 2011.

[QUOTE="Nonstop-Madness"]

[QUOTE="phonemug"]No. Sony, the entire company, has been losing billions for years. They just had their credit rating cut and have been placed on Deathwatch for 2012.

Sony's credit rating cut: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-20/sony-s-credit-rating-cut-to-baa1-by-moody-s-panasonic-also-downgraded.html

Sony to post 3.2 billion dollar anual loss: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/23/us-sony-idUSTRE74C70420110523

phonemug

Thats utter BS. Your telling me company that makes over $80B a year in revenue is going to die because they get themselve in a $4.5B hole over 3 years? A company of that size could pay that debt off with interest in 6-7 years of steady historical profits. Cutting a companies credit rating only makes it harder for them get loans, it doesn't mean they are in the deep ****.

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[QUOTE="phonemug"]

I see you've stopped trying to debate this point with anything relevan other than lame one liners. I take that as you bowing out of this argument.

Here I'll post it again. Read more carefully.

Sony's credit rating cut: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-20/sony-s-credit-rating-cut-to-baa1-by-moody-s-panasonic-also-downgraded.html

Sony to post 3.2 billion dollar anual loss: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/23/us-sony-idUSTRE74C70420110523

phonemug

Sigh. Maybe you can show me evidence that suggests Sony's Music Division, Movies Division, and Financial Services Division have been losing money, mkay? I don't need you to post something that I stated LONG before you did. Yes, their Electronics division is losing money. I said as much a loooong time ago.

I just posted evidence that their entire business lost 3.2 billion in 2011.

Seriously, you have no case. Like, honestly, how hard is it to make the distinction between having profitable divisions and a profitable company?

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[QUOTE="Nonstop-Madness"]

Thats utter BS. Your telling me company that makes over $80B a year in revenue is going to die because they get themselve in a $4.5B hole over 3 years? A company of that size could pay that debt off with interest in 6-7 years of steady historical profits. Cutting a companies credit rating only makes it harder for them get loans, it doesn't mean they are in the deep ****.

Nonstop-Madness

I don't personally think Sony will go under in 2012, but I don't think they have money or resources to be competetive in the next console race.

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[QUOTE="minh800"]

Sigh. Maybe you can show me evidence that suggests Sony's Music Division, Movies Division, and Financial Services Division have been losing money, mkay? I don't need you to post something that I stated LONG before you did. Yes, their Electronics division is losing money. I said as much a loooong time ago.

minh800

I just posted evidence that their entire business lost 3.2 billion in 2011.

Seriously, you have no case. Like, honestly, how hard is it to make the distinction between having profitable divisions and a profitable company?

[QUOTE="minh800"]

[QUOTE="phonemug"]Troll.

I just posted evidence that their entire business lost 3.2 billion in 2011.

phonemug

Seriously, you have no case. Like, honestly, how hard is it to make the distinction between having profitable divisions and a profitable company?

When did I ignore that? You mean when I stated that those losses are primarily from one division? Not every division is losing money. My point which I proved with factual evidence a while back.

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[QUOTE="minh800"]

Seriously, you have no case. Like, honestly, how hard is it to make the distinction between having profitable divisions and a profitable company?

minh800

When did I ignore that? You mean when I stated that those losses are primarily from one division? Not every division is losing money. My point which I proved with factual evidence a while back.

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[QUOTE="minh800"]

How so? Sony brings in revenue and profits from multiple avenues. Their music division, financial services division, and pictures division are all profitable. The only division that's really bringing Sony down is its hardware division. Nintendo, on the other hand, pretty much relies on video games, hardware, and accessories to make them a profit. I'm not sure what Nintendo did with their profits from the Wii but they really should have looked towards viable non-gaming markets to make them a profit.

minh800

You have NO idea what you're talking about.

http://www.splatf.com/2011/11/sony-profits/

These divisions have been profitable. For years.

Sounds like someone's been living under a rock.

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[QUOTE="phonemug"]Troll.

I just posted evidence that their entire business lost 3.2 billion in 2011.

phonemug

Seriously, you have no case. Like, honestly, how hard is it to make the distinction between having profitable divisions and a profitable company?

A brief example to show you where you're misunderstanding him:

Sony Music: 1.3B Profit (+)

Sony Pictures: 0.5B Profit (+)

Sony Electronics: 5.0B Loss (-)

Sony Overall: 3.2B Loss

See the difference? There are some divisions that are profitable but the electronics division is taking heavy losses. That's the picture the other guy is trying to say. There is a difference between having profitable divisions and profitable overall.

[QUOTE="minh800"]

[QUOTE="phonemug"]So you've just ignored the reuters article stating Sony Corp. lost 3.2 billion in 2011? :lol:

phonemug

When did I ignore that? You mean when I stated that those losses are primarily from one division? Not every division is losing money. My point which I proved with factual evidence a while back.

Haha, you have no idea what you're talking about. I already proved you wrong with factual evidence. I'm done.

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[QUOTE="minh800"]

When did I ignore that? You mean when I stated that those losses are primarily from one division? Not every division is losing money. My point which I proved with factual evidence a while back.

minh800

Haha, you have no idea what you're talking about. I already proved you wrong with factual evidence. I'm done.

Sounds like Nintendo is spending far too much somewhere because the hardware absolutely cannot be costing them THAT much to keep them in the red.

[QUOTE="phonemug"]

[QUOTE="minh800"]

Seriously, you have no case. Like, honestly, how hard is it to make the distinction between having profitable divisions and a profitable company?

A brief example to show you where you're misunderstanding him:

Sony Music: 1.3B Profit (+)

Sony Pictures: 0.5B Profit (+)

Sony Electronics: 5.0B Loss (-)

Sony Overall: 3.2B Loss

See the difference? There are some divisions that are profitable but the electronics division is taking heavy losses. That's the picture the other guy is trying to say. There is a difference between having profitable divisions and profitable overall.

Isn't a lot of this explainable by all the R&D costs? They are developing a whole new console, revamping and expanding their game developers to make HD games, even producing units, and they haven't made a single sale yet.

of course 3DS being sold at a loss is a big deal but it's hardly the only reason.

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[QUOTE="phonemug"]lmao now you're backpedaling. Priceless. Quit wasting my time troll.

phonemug

Haha, you have no idea what you're talking about. I already proved you wrong with factual evidence. I'm done.

that was funny :lol:

With the Wii and DS sales, how is it possible? What am I missing?musicalmac