Yeah, MS is really putting their full effort into the 360?!? NOT!

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/01/05/rumor-microsoft-working-on-first-party-sequel-for-next-xbox-con/

Appearantly, MS is working on a franchise sequal. Problem is, they're already working on it for the next MS console. So, you say, "Bu but it teh normal to have devs work on titles for the next gen while in the current gen." Yes, you're right, in part.

360 is only two years old. And if its life-span was even the minimal timeframe promised (5 years), that gives devs at least two more years to make a game for the 360. Seems like more than enough time to me. Especially if the console actually lives past the 5 year mark, as it should.

I'll tell you what. If this doesn't concern any of you 360 fans or owners, your are foolish. Have fun paying for a new console every 5 years and having the price go up every time. Enjoy buying a console from a company where, once again, they will drop support early and move on. Only to leave you with an empty wallet in hand.

Maybe this next time they'll have enough foresight to include standard HDD's and a high capacity disc player. Ooooooooh, maybe even standard HDMI. Wait.........PS3 does that now. Hmmmmmm.

The article itself says the game was shelfed...what are you going on about.Cali3350

How about I go on about you not reading the whole article and just plucking sections to fit your view. It was shelved so it would go on the next MS console. Read.

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/01/05/rumor-microsoft-working-on-first-party-sequel-for-next-xbox-con/

Appearantly, MS is working on a franchise sequal. Problem is, they're already working on it for the next MS console. So, you say, "Bu but it teh normal to have devs work on titles for the next gen while in the current gen." Yes, you're right, in part.

360 is only two years old. And if its life-span was even the minimal timeframe promised (5 years), that gives devs at least two more years to make a game for the 360. Seems like more than enough time to me. Especially if the console actually lives past the 5 year mark, as it should.

I'll tell you what. If this doesn't concern any of you 360 fans or owners, your are foolish. Have fun paying for a new console every 5 years and having the price go up every time. Enjoy buying a console from a company where, once again, they will drop support early and move on. Only to leave you with an empty wallet in hand.

Maybe this next time they'll have enough foresight to include standard HDD's and a high capacity disc player. Ooooooooh, maybe even standard HDMI. Wait.........PS3 does that now. Hmmmmmm.

The_Crucible

[QUOTE="Cali3350"]The article itself says the game was shelfed...what are you going on about.The_Crucible

How about I go on about you not reading the whole article and just plucking sections to fit your view. It was shelved so it would go on the next MS console. Read.

So its not actively being developed. :|

Ok i read it, still dont see your point. Did you have one?

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/01/05/rumor-microsoft-working-on-first-party-sequel-for-next-xbox-con/

Appearantly, MS is working on a franchise sequal. Problem is, they're already working on it for the next MS console. So, you say, "Bu but it teh normal to have devs work on titles for the next gen while in the current gen." Yes, you're right, in part.

360 is only two years old. And if its life-span was even the minimal timeframe promised (5 years), that gives devs at least two more years to make a game for the 360. Seems like more than enough time to me. Especially if the console actually lives past the 5 year mark, as it should.

I'll tell you what. If this doesn't concern any of you 360 fans or owners, your are foolish. Have fun paying for a new console every 5 years and having the price go up every time. Enjoy buying a console from a company where, once again, they will drop support early and move on. Only to leave you with an empty wallet in hand.

Maybe this next time they'll have enough foresight to include standard HDD's and a high capacity disc player. Ooooooooh, maybe even standard HDMI. Wait.........PS3 does that now. Hmmmmmm.

The_Crucible

It makes sence that they want to spend a lot of time on making a killer launch title for their next system (like what LOZ:TP was to the Wii's launch) so I dont see nothing wrong with that.St_muscat

But even Nintendo put out two Zelda games (not counting TP) on the gamecube. MS gives the franchise mentioned (whichever it is) one release this entire gen, and that's a good thing? Let's say it's Bioshock 2. With how early in the 360's life it was released, there should be more than enough time to give 360 owners another dose before calling it quits, right?

This kind of thing is normal. I believe it took 4 years to make Fable. I also heard Unreal Engine 4 was started to be worked on back in 2005, before Unreal Engine 3 was even finished (correct me if I'm wrong) . I still expect the next Xbox to be out in 2010 at the earliest which is pretty decent.ZanyIce

We are talking about a game sequal here. Not a whole new dev platform. Unreal is a huge difference. They try to utilize a system's technology to create a dev platform that can maximize dev ease and system power. Way more to that than just making a game.

Also, we are talking about a first-party MS game. Not a multiplatter like Unreal.

This kind of thing is normal. I believe it took 4 years to make Fable. I also heard Unreal Engine 4 was started to be worked on back in 2005, before Unreal Engine 3 was even finished (correct me if I'm wrong) . I still expect the next Xbox to be out in 2010 at the earliest which is pretty decent.ZanyIce

Same thing wit FF13.

Its development was started before FF12 was completed

I don't think MS really cares about the console wars... (trival)

They just want to see Sony twisting in the wind.

[QUOTE="ZanyIce"]This kind of thing is normal. I believe it took 4 years to make Fable. I also heard Unreal Engine 4 was started to be worked on back in 2005, before Unreal Engine 3 was even finished (correct me if I'm wrong) . I still expect the next Xbox to be out in 2010 at the earliest which is pretty decent.asdasd

Same thing wit FF13.

Its development was started before FF12 was completed

Thanks for furthering my point, sir.

They still released 12, right? They didn't scrap it or push it to the next gen, right?

I'm not saying its a bad thing to dev games before a console is released. Obviously, its the only smart thing to do. But to take a sequal, two years into your supposed "longer than 5 years" life and push it completely to the next gen, that's weak.

If you want to make a sweet Bioshock game (just an example) for the next MS console. Work on Bioshock 3. Leave Bioshock 2 for this current gen. Get it?

Well MS just wants to make sure they have a killer luanch for there next gen system unlike sony.

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/01/05/rumor-microsoft-working-on-first-party-sequel-for-next-xbox-con/

Appearantly, MS is working on a franchise sequal. Problem is, they're already working on it for the next MS console. So, you say, "Bu but it teh normal to have devs work on titles for the next gen while in the current gen." Yes, you're right, in part.

360 is only two years old. And if its life-span was even the minimal timeframe promised (5 years), that gives devs at least two more years to make a game for the 360. Seems like more than enough time to me. Especially if the console actually lives past the 5 year mark, as it should.

I'll tell you what. If this doesn't concern any of you 360 fans or owners, your are foolish. Have fun paying for a new console every 5 years and having the price go up every time. Enjoy buying a console from a company where, once again, they will drop support early and move on. Only to leave you with an empty wallet in hand.

Maybe this next time they'll have enough foresight to include standard HDD's and a high capacity disc player. Ooooooooh, maybe even standard HDMI. Wait.........PS3 does that now. Hmmmmmm.

The_Crucible

[QUOTE="ZanyIce"]This kind of thing is normal. I believe it took 4 years to make Fable. I also heard Unreal Engine 4 was started to be worked on back in 2005, before Unreal Engine 3 was even finished (correct me if I'm wrong) . I still expect the next Xbox to be out in 2010 at the earliest which is pretty decent.asdasd

Same thing wit FF13.

Its development was started before FF12 was completed

But the PS3 was already announced, and the PS2 was beginning the end of its life cycle. :?

[QUOTE="asdasd"]

[QUOTE="ZanyIce"]This kind of thing is normal. I believe it took 4 years to make Fable. I also heard Unreal Engine 4 was started to be worked on back in 2005, before Unreal Engine 3 was even finished (correct me if I'm wrong) . I still expect the next Xbox to be out in 2010 at the earliest which is pretty decent.-Karmum-

Same thing wit FF13.

Its development was started before FF12 was completed

But the PS3 was already announced, and the PS2 was beginning the end of its life cycle. :?

yeah I don't understand were he is getting at...they start things early....Hell The Elder Scrolls:Oblivion was in development from the middle of last gen to this the begining of this gen

Well MS just wants to make sure they have a killer luanch for there next gen system unlike sony.

Medic_B

You say that as if it has been the norm to come out with your biggest names in the launch year of a console. Its not normal. So don't fault Sony.

In fact, that's the way it should be done. It allows them to concentrate on the current gen more and new franchises. Sony is the first to have two consoles in the market competing against each other. I think they have done quite well at this point.

MS takes the easy road and just abandones their current gen to try and mess up the next one early. Its crap and all of you who praise it should be ashamed.

MS will trash gaming is we keep seeing transitions like Xbox to 360. Which is the way the 360 is going.

Considering the amount of development time that goes into these games - that's really not too surprising. Nintendo started developing the Wii very shortly after the release of the GC.Erkidu

Again you fanboys pick and choose what you need to fit your view.

WE AREN'T TALKING ABOUT CONSOLE DEVELOPING. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT WORKING ON A A NEXT GEN GAME NOW. Both of those are smart moves and are normal. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TAKING A BIG NAME TITLE AND PUSHING IT INTO THE NEXT GEN WHEN THIS ONE SHOULD BE FAR FROM OVER. There's more than enough time to make a killer app. They have AT LEAST 3 years before they SHOULD launch the next MS console. NOT to mention, it has already been worked on well before today.

Don't give me this crap about how many years it takes. If MS is worth a crap, there should be plenty more time in this gen to fit big titles in. Otherwise, year 4 and 5 of the 360 will be an utter joke.

It is normal for console makers to begin research and development on the next console as soon as the new console is launched. Just go watch how MS went about developing the 360. They started nearly as soon as the XBOX was launched. That is just how it goes. Sony does it and Nintendo does it as well.

Also most console generations only last 5 to 6 years before the next one comes out so I'm not sure what you are whinning about as far as that goes either? That is normal. One thing you have to remember is that the XBOX's life was cut short because of the bad deal they made with Nvidia when it came to the GPU for the system. They were pretty much paying the same price for the GPU in the XBOX's 4th year as they were paying for it in it's first year. They had to dump it because the XBOX would never make them any money.

The 360 is in a different boat. It is already in the black, something the XBOX was never in and will soon be in the green and MS is poised to make money on this system because they own all the rights to the hardware. They also continue to upgrade the 360 hardware. They have added an extra heatsync, a new DVD player and the new 65 nm chips for the CPU are also in the new systems so they are improving the system.

Oh and games are moved from generation to generation all the time. Just look at Kameo and Too Human. These games have been in the works for 3 or 4 generations. Kameo finally came out, Too Human is still being worked on. It happens.

Halo 4 for Xbox 720 confirmedasdasd

lol @ ur sig.

It is normal for console makers to begin research and development on the next console as soon as the new console is launched. Just go watch how MS went about developing the 360. They started nearly as soon as the XBOX was launched. That is just how it goes. Sony does it and Nintendo does it as well.

Also most console generations only last 5 to 6 years before the next one comes out so I'm not sure what you are whinning about as far as that goes either? That is normal. One thing you have to remember is that the XBOX's life was cut short because of the bad deal they made with Nvidia when it came to the GPU for the system. They were pretty much paying the same price for the GPU in the XBOX's 4th year as they were paying for it in it's first year. They had to dump it because the XBOX would never make them any money.

The 360 is in a different boat. It is already in the black, something the XBOX was never in and will soon be in the green and MS is poised to make money on this system because they own all the rights to the hardware. They also continue to upgrade the 360 hardware. They have added an extra heatsync, a new DVD player and the new 65 nm chips for the CPU are also in the new systems so they are improving the system.

Oh and games are moved from generation to generation all the time. Just look at Kameo and Too Human. These games have been in the works for 3 or 4 generations. Kameo finally came out, Too Human is still being worked on. It happens.

RonnieLottinSF

So many faults in your statements. I only wish you just used the facts and kept it a lot shorter.

1. As I have said time and time again, no one is faulting any console maker for working ahead. It is normal. We are talking about ONE software title. A title that could easily be developed within penty of time left in the 360 gen.

2. It WAS normal for consoles to last 5 years. BOTH MS and Sony have stated that their current consoles should last beyond that. Especially when costs seem to climb well above inflation every gen (yes MS too). It is a fact, that if the 360 only lasts 5 years it is a failure. PS2 has shown what great console support should be.

3. Yeah, no hardware issues or failures this gen. Right. While this round it isn't due to a bad deal with Nvidia, it is due to poor hardware decisions. First you have the RRoD. And until they have some extensive testing on the new chip, no one is sure there's a fix. By the time they do, under your own time table, this gen will be 80% over. Second, no standard HDD's. Either everyone gets screwed with limitations on files sizes or a section gets screwed if the HDD is utilized for games. Third, no high capacity disc media to overcome the lack of HDD. Yeah, they could jump onto the sinking HD-DVD ship. But that can't be used for games without screwing a bundle of gamers. So, they look ahead. Real hard.

4. Already in the black? Are you serious. I suggest you take some finance lessons with some of the other lemmings I had to take to school a few months back. They hide a projected billion, BILLION, in warranty costs in the last fiscal year. That doesn't just disappear. Take the money made and lost from the 360 launch and I think you'll see, they are far from profitable.

it makes sense. unlike cows, lemmings actually like good launch games. if they started one now, if they didn't have to rush it, they could be done by the time the next xbox comes out (2-3 years). that way its not rushed crap.shoeman12

yeah but thats what the TC is saying is wrong...and I agree with him

A good console should last a lot longer than 5 years (ps2)....they shouldnt even be thinking about making games that just just came out for 360 on their next console....360 should last for a loong time

You think Nintendo is already making a new Mario for their next line of consoles?? Probably not, probably starting working on a new game to make the Wii (the console currently out) a better system...

Its like microsoft is making throw-a-way consoles....make a new one, buy some games for it, get rid of that console and get the new one, buy the same games, etc.

[QUOTE="shoeman12"]it makes sense. unlike cows, lemmings actually like good launch games. if they started one now, if they didn't have to rush it, they could be done by the time the next xbox comes out (2-3 years). that way its not rushed crap.Tony-Sinclair

yeah but thats what the TC is saying is wrong...and I agree with him

A good console should last a lot longer than 5 years (ps2)....they shouldnt even be thinking about making games that just just came out for 360 on their next console....360 should last for a loong time

You think Nintendo is already making a new Mario for their next line of consoles?? Probably not, probably starting working on a new game to make the Wii (the console currently out) a better system...

Its like microsoft is making throw-a-way consoles....make a new one, buy some games for it, get rid of that console and get the new one, buy the same games, etc.

but that doesn't mean they'll discontunue the 360 right away like the xbox. the reason the xbox was discontinued was because nvidia stopped making its gpu. thats not going to happen this time so i think the 360 will go a few years after the new one comes out.

[QUOTE="shoeman12"]it makes sense. unlike cows, lemmings actually like good launch games. if they started one now, if they didn't have to rush it, they could be done by the time the next xbox comes out (2-3 years). that way its not rushed crap.Tony-Sinclair

yeah but thats what the TC is saying is wrong...and I agree with him

A good console should last a lot longer than 5 years (ps2)....they shouldnt even be thinking about making games that just just came out for 360 on their next console....360 should last for a loong time

Its like microsoft is making throw-a-way consoles....make a new one, buy some games for it, get rid of that console and get the new one, buy the same games, etc.

I really wish people would stop using the past as evidence to what's going to happen in the future. Unless you have some mutant ability of foresight, you have not idea what's going to happen. Will MS launch first? Probably, their hardware is the oldest.

this the reason i'm scared to buy 360. M$ just abandons its consoles.ff7isnumbaone

$stay in $chool so you can learn not to be childi$h with your $'s. nobody abandons a console when its makign profit. they would NEVER do that. EVER.

No offense but five years is good for a console. If you honestly want to buy a machine like a games console and have it still be cutting-edge FIVE YEARS later you're better off with a PC.

Also; just because they're working on the game doesn't mean they're shelving the 360. It could just be designing and pre-production. Chill out.

This kind of thing is normal. I believe it took 4 years to make Fable. I also heard Unreal Engine 4 was started to be worked on back in 2005, before Unreal Engine 3 was even finished (correct me if I'm wrong) . I still expect the next Xbox to be out in 2010 at the earliest which is pretty decent.ZanyIce

It only took 4 years to make Fable because Molyneux made a godly game which was far too ambitious, which had no hope in hell of running on the xbox so he pretty much had to start over.

No offense but five years is good for a console. If you honestly want to buy a machine like a games console and have it still be cutting-edge FIVE YEARS later you're better off with a PC.

Also; just because they're working on the game doesn't mean they're shelving the 360. It could just be designing and pre-production. Chill out.

Ninja-Vox

this isnt a chill out situation. this is an uneducated, irrational,moronicsituation. these fanboys are on a holy crusade to bash the console they hate any way possible. they wouldnt listen to the truth if it kicked them in the balls and killed their parents.

So many faults in your statements. I only wish you just used the facts and kept it a lot shorter.

1. As I have said time and time again, no one is faulting any console maker for working ahead. It is normal. We are talking about ONE software title. A title that could easily be developed within penty of time left in the 360 gen.The_Crucible

There is so many faults yet you are agreeing with me. Funny how that works. Who cares about one game that has been mentioned, that might be on a next gen console? That is as silly as the Ultimate 360 rumors that have been going on for 2 years now. No one cares and it wouldn't be a first either, especially when you consider MS could be coming out with a new console by 2010 or 2011, which happens to be in 3 to 4 years. Some games take longer than that to develop so I wouldn't be surprised if MS is already giving out info about their next console to get ready for launch titles and what not. I also wouldn't doubt that the next console gets redone a few hundred times in the next 3 or 4 years either.

2. It WAS normal for consoles to last 5 years. BOTH MS and Sony have stated that their current consoles should last beyond that. Especially when costs seem to climb well above inflation every gen (yes MS too). It is a fact, that if the 360 only lasts 5 years it is a failure. PS2 has shown what great console support should be.The_Crucible

When I talk about every 5 or 6 years, I'm talking between consoles, not how long those consoles will still be available. I seriously doubt the 360 only lasts 5 years and then is discontinued. Like I said, MS is just now starting to make money back on their investment and they have the rights this time to all the hardware. They will make money on the 360. It is as simple as that.

3. Yeah, no hardware issues or failures this gen. Right. While this round it isn't due to a bad deal with Nvidia, it is due to poor hardware decisions. First you have the RRoD. And until they have some extensive testing on the new chip, no one is sure there's a fix. By the time they do, under your own time table, this gen will be 80% over. Second, no standard HDD's. Either everyone gets screwed with limitations on files sizes or a section gets screwed if the HDD is utilized for games. Third, no high capacity disc media to overcome the lack of HDD. Yeah, they could jump onto the sinking HD-DVD ship. But that can't be used for games without screwing a bundle of gamers. So, they look ahead. Real hard.The_Crucible

We already know what the RROD was coming from. The 360 had one heatsync in the system and it wasn't enough to keep it cool. MS has fixed that by putting an extra heatsync in their new 360s for both the CPU and GPU chips, plus the new CPU chips are better considering they are Falcon chips. What the hell are you blabbling about HDD stuff? They have been making games that are optimized for the HDD since Oblivion and that released on the 360 4 months after launch. Many games are like this. They run better with the HDD. Since the Core or now the Arcade version is the least selling version, I'd say most 360 games are like this now.

4. Already in the black? Are you serious. I suggest you take some finance lessons with some of the other lemmings I had to take to school a few months back. They hide a projected billion, BILLION, in warranty costs in the last fiscal year. That doesn't just disappear. Take the money made and lost from the 360 launch and I think you'll see, they are far from profitable. The_Crucible

It is pretty simple. In the red = you still owe and you are still losing money. In the black = you still owe, but you are now making money. In the green = you don't owe money and you are still making money.

This article says it all -

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071026-strong-halo3-launch-helps-microsoft-to-first-ever-profit-on-gaming.html

"During the first quarter of fiscal 2007, this division reported a $142 million loss; this time around, the division made $165 million, making this the first quarter this area of Microsoft's business has been in the black since back in 2005."

MS made a profit from their gaming division the first quarter of their new fiscal year, hence they are now in the black. They still owe, but they aren't losing money any more either. They put the billion dollar warranty cost on the 2007 fiscal year 4th quarter report. That has already been paid so they don't owe any more on that, nor will it be on any more quarter reports in the future.

Who needs finance lessons now?

[QUOTE="-Karmum-"][QUOTE="asdasd"]

[QUOTE="ZanyIce"]This kind of thing is normal. I believe it took 4 years to make Fable. I also heard Unreal Engine 4 was started to be worked on back in 2005, before Unreal Engine 3 was even finished (correct me if I'm wrong) . I still expect the next Xbox to be out in 2010 at the earliest which is pretty decent.UnknownSniper65

Same thing wit FF13.

Its development was started before FF12 was completed

But the PS3 was already announced, and the PS2 was beginning the end of its life cycle. :?

yeah I don't understand were he is getting at...they start things early....Hell The Elder Scrolls:Oblivion was in development from the middle of last gen to this the begining of this gen

LOL, I pledged a long time ago to quit responding to his posts because they make so little sense it is mind-numbing, I suggest you do this too. No reason to get frustrated over something so full of nonsense.

what sad attemp of ownage cow, but u tried so hard:)BovinesOnPaska

What's ridiculously funny about it is that you lemmings are the ones getting owned. And you are so blind, you don't even see it.

They are taking a title, that was originally slated for the 360 and was being developed for it, and completely moved to the next gen. They take from this gen to try and get an edge on the next one.

If you don't think this points to a great decline in 360 value over the next three years, you've got something coming.

LOL, I pledged a long time ago to quit responding to his posts because they make so little sense it is mind-numbing, I suggest you do this too. No reason to get frustrated over something so full of nonsense.

Frostbite24

You need to work harder at it. You just responded to one of my posts, Frosty.

It is pretty simple. In the red = you still owe and you are still losing money. In the black = you still owe, but you are now making money. In the green = you don't owe money and you are still making money.

This article says it all -

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071026-strong-halo3-launch-helps-microsoft-to-first-ever-profit-on-gaming.html

"During the first quarter of fiscal 2007, this division reported a $142 million loss; this time around, the division made $165 million, making this the first quarter this area of Microsoft's business has been in the black since back in 2005."

MS made a profit from their gaming division the first quarter of their new fiscal year, hence they are now in the black. They still owe, but they aren't losing money any more either. They put the billion dollar warranty cost on the 2007 fiscal year 4th quarter report. That has already been paid so they don't owe any more on that, nor will it be on any more quarter reports in the future.

Who needs finance lessons now?

RonnieLottinSF

Yeah, I think you need to read up some more. $1.98 billion in projected losses is slightly more than any $165 million.

Read here: http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6507&Itemid=2

So many faults in your statements. I only wish you just used the facts and kept it a lot shorter.

1. As I have said time and time again, no one is faulting any console maker for working ahead. It is normal. We are talking about ONE software title. A title that could easily be developed within penty of time left in the 360 gen.

2. It WAS normal for consoles to last 5 years. BOTH MS and Sony have stated that their current consoles should last beyond that. Especially when costs seem to climb well above inflation every gen (yes MS too). It is a fact, that if the 360 only lasts 5 years it is a failure. PS2 has shown what great console support should be.

3. Yeah, no hardware issues or failures this gen. Right. While this round it isn't due to a bad deal with Nvidia, it is due to poor hardware decisions. First you have the RRoD. And until they have some extensive testing on the new chip, no one is sure there's a fix. By the time they do, under your own time table, this gen will be 80% over. Second, no standard HDD's. Either everyone gets screwed with limitations on files sizes or a section gets screwed if the HDD is utilized for games. Third, no high capacity disc media to overcome the lack of HDD. Yeah, they could jump onto the sinking HD-DVD ship. But that can't be used for games without screwing a bundle of gamers. So, they look ahead. Real hard.

4. Already in the black? Are you serious. I suggest you take some finance lessons with some of the other lemmings I had to take to school a few months back. They hide a projected billion, BILLION, in warranty costs in the last fiscal year. That doesn't just disappear. Take the money made and lost from the 360 launch and I think you'll see, they are far from profitable.

The_Crucible

Wow, you obviously don't like the 360 or microsoft. But, just on general principal, I am going to take a stab at this, not because you will learn anything, or bother to try, but because some of those you are attempting to persuade may become a little more enlightened.

1. You mention "I wish you just used the facts". Well, here you are guessing! You claim "A title that could easily be developed within penty of time left in the 360 gen." Yet you have no facts or information to back this claim up. You have no idea. Perhaps the 360 was not powerful enough? Perhaps there was just no way to get it done in time? You DO NOT know, yet you throw that out like a fact, moments after belittling someone for the same!

2. It was, and in my opinion still is normal to get roughly 5 years out of a console. Processor and GPU power will increase EXPONENTIALLY over that 5 year span, as will storage capacity, memory speeds and capacity, etc. Sure, they could keep aconsole around for 10 or more years, but I personally want something with better graphics and capabilities every so often. I don't want to wait much over 6-7 years for that, or it will really be dated. And yes, when a new console comes out, I move on. Honestly this point is in alot of ways personal preference. I prefer to buy at launch, and keep until the next launch, moving on for the most part at that time. If you are still playing your PS1 today, I have nothing against you, but I am sure glad we are not ALL stuck playing it, because I want more!

3. Miscellaneous fanboy ramblings here, I guess its not future proof enough for you is the point? Well, hence why we will get a new console in another 2-3 years, and it will be the best of everything! And I will have gotten 4-5 years of playtime out of my 400 dollar xbox 360, less than 100 bucks a year. To me, well worth it.

4. Yes, as pointed out above, they are in the black. Black means making money. Not losing it. Does not mean making PROFIT. Thats called being in the "Green". Being in the black simply means taking in more than putting out for a given period of time. Once they have taken in more then they have EVER given out, then they are "In the Green"

Its pretty clear nothing anyone says here will change your opinion of the XBOX brand, and your grasping at straws here as it is. If it were to come out after the "PS4" whatever, you would complain about that. If it comes out before, then you will complain about that. If it launches the same day, then they are just copying sony. In your eyes, they can't win, hence why they don't worry about your eyes! I for one don't want a console to last 10 years, I want a new one well before that. I have no problem with them supporting the old one past 5 or so years, but I don't really mind either way if they do or not, as long as they include backwards compatibility, its not a concern of mine, I can pick up any late interesting last gen games, and those without the money can still buy a few games. A new console every 2 years? Yes, thats too soon. A new console every 8 years? Thats really too long. 5-6? Just right!