Yeah, MS is really putting their full effort into the 360?!? NOT!

1. You mention "I wish you just used the facts". Well, here you are guessing! You claim "A title that could easily be developed within penty of time left in the 360 gen." Yet you have no facts or information to back this claim up. You have no idea. Perhaps the 360 was not powerful enough? Perhaps there was just no way to get it done in time? You DO NOT know, yet you throw that out like a fact, moments after belittling someone for the same!

BillHarrison7

Stop right there. You're right, I don't know for sure. All i do know is that the game was already being developed for 360. Whether its been a week or a month, it has already been worked on, the clock was already ticking. Add that time to what SHOULD be left on the 360. There is PLENTY of time to develope a killer app. Especially when we are talking about using the 360 technology that has already been cracked by devs. Its not like there's some major configuration to do to sqeeze juice from the console.

So, that's leaves the "why" unanswered. More than likely, the answer is the one you gave, in bold above. If that's anywhere near the reason, MS has failed.

all 3 manufacturers should be working on their nextGen consoles now. they take 3-4 years to design and develop. there is no suprise here.Dreams-Visions

Except this is MS developing a game for their next console. It seems strange that they're already diverting dev resources towards that instead of the 360. I doubt either Sony or Nintendo is doing this... that is, if the rumor is true.

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]all 3 manufacturers should be working on their nextGen consoles now. they take 3-4 years to design and develop. there is no suprise here.Zhengi

Except this is MS developing a game for their next console. It seems strange that they're already diverting dev resources towards that instead of the 360. I doubt either Sony or Nintendo is doing this... that is, if the rumor is true.

Exactly, thank you.

Thses fanboys keep taking sections of the story and going off of that. No one is bashing the development of console early. No one is even saying developing software for the next console early is bad. But its taking a title that could be done on the 360, plenty of time, and setting aside to be used for the next gen. Having those who invested in the current gen miss out.

The Xbox was fun. The 360 is fun. Why would I let some guys personal vendetta keep me from wanting the next one. Hurry up 2010 I got plenty of extra $$$ left over from not buying any games for my PS3.

Sony shot themselves in the foot with great yet short single player titles which led to people renting them and beating them in a few days. Personally the only game I have not traded in is Warhawk.

Meanwhile by making online a priority with most titles people buy and keep 360 titles longer.

I happen to think the PS3 will be a great system someday but that day is not today.

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]all 3 manufacturers should be working on their nextGen consoles now. they take 3-4 years to design and develop. there is no suprise here.The_Crucible

Except this is MS developing a game for their next console. It seems strange that they're already diverting dev resources towards that instead of the 360. I doubt either Sony or Nintendo is doing this... that is, if the rumor is true.

Exactly, thank you.

Thses fanboys keep taking sections of the story and going off of that. No one is bashing the development of console early. No one is even saying developing software for the next console early is bad. But its taking a title that could be done on the 360, plenty of time, and setting aside to be used for the next gen. Having those who invested in the current gen miss out.

[QUOTE="BillHarrison7"]

1. You mention "I wish you just used the facts". Well, here you are guessing! You claim "A title that could easily be developed within penty of time left in the 360 gen." Yet you have no facts or information to back this claim up. You have no idea. Perhaps the 360 was not powerful enough? Perhaps there was just no way to get it done in time? You DO NOT know, yet you throw that out like a fact, moments after belittling someone for the same!

The_Crucible

Stop right there. You're right, I don't know for sure. All i do know is that the game was already being developed for 360. Whether its been a week or a month, it has already been worked on, the clock was already ticking. Add that time to what SHOULD be left on the 360. There is PLENTY of time to develope a killer app. Especially when we are talking about using the 360 technology that has already been cracked by devs. Its not like there's some major configuration to do to sqeeze juice from the console.

So, that's leaves the "why" unanswered. More than likely, the answer is the one you gave, in bold above. If that's anywhere near the reason, MS has failed.

So in your eyes if MS has failed so has Sony. Sony hasn't even come close to accomplishing anything that the 360 has. Simply because there is an article about future developement means nothing to the future for the 360 IMHO. Also by looking at how games have come out and have been developed for the PS3 they are pretty much at par with the 360 as far as performance goes. So if by chance MS wanted to make a game for the 360, but found that maybe it should be developed for a later console because of its demands. What does that say about the PS3? Which has yet to really surpass anything graphically that the 360 has come out with?

So in your eyes if MS has failed so has Sony. Sony hasn't even come close to accomplishing anything that the 360 has. Simply because there is an article about future developement means nothing to the future for the 360 IMHO. Also by looking at how games have come out and have been developed for the PS3 they are pretty much at par with the 360 as far as performance goes. So if by chance MS wanted to make a game for the 360, but found that maybe it should be developed for a later console because of its demands. What does that say about the PS3? Which has yet to really surpass anything graphically that the 360 has come out with?

xscrapzx

I think it says a ton for the PS3 that it can do the same graphics as the 360 in such a short time. Even with its new hardware that has given some devs headaches. Even with 360 using hardware devs are very familiar with. I think that says a great deal about PS3 power and its future.

And then you go on to ask if PS3 has shown an edge graphically over the 360. Are you seruious? Did you miss Uncharted? Touted by many industry leaders as being the best looking console game to date. And that was just a year after launch.

4. Already in the black? Are you serious. I suggest you take some finance lessons with some of the other lemmings I had to take to school a few months back. They hide a projected billion, BILLION, in warranty costs in the last fiscal year. That doesn't just disappear. Take the money made and lost from the 360 launch and I think you'll see, they are far from profitable.

The_Crucible

Wasn't your high school knowledge of economics already owned in another thread that you started about this very topic?

Although you are a Uni-System Gamer, so I am not sure why anyone seems to think your opinion matters anyway?

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]all 3 manufacturers should be working on their nextGen consoles now. they take 3-4 years to design and develop. there is no suprise here.The_Crucible

Except this is MS developing a game for their next console. It seems strange that they're already diverting dev resources towards that instead of the 360. I doubt either Sony or Nintendo is doing this... that is, if the rumor is true.

Exactly, thank you.

Thses fanboys keep taking sections of the story and going off of that. No one is bashing the development of console early. No one is even saying developing software for the next console early is bad. But its taking a title that could be done on the 360, plenty of time, and setting aside to be used for the next gen. Having those who invested in the current gen miss out.

1.) Who are "these fanboys" you're talking about? Me? Just because my opinion differs?

2.) Since when is Microsoft struggling for RESOURCES, such that its TAKING AWAY anything from the 360? If this generation has proven anything to us--especially to you Cows--its that games now take much more time to develop than they ever have before. Halo 3 began development the WEEK AFTER Halo 2 launched. According to my math, that's approx. 2 years and 10 months (give or take) worth of development time. Let's just round up to 3 years.

One game. 3 years of development time.

And I'll again remind you that many of the big-name PS3 exclusives have been delayed. Development time is important. Developers having enough time to get a game done right without a metric ton of pressure is a good thing.

So again...point out the problem here. They're getting ready for the nextGeneration of consoles. All of the console manufacturers are. 3 years from now (the development cycle for Halo 3, for example) will put us in 2011. The 360 would be 6 full years old in 2011. It will have done the normal lifecycle. New consoles should be launching. They'll have at least one full-featured, fleshed out game that can't be called "a rush job" at that launch.

Show me the problem.

Give it a rest for gods sake you dont know crap about the game or what they want to do with it (how it looks plays feels) maybe they took it away from the 360 because they want it to be better than the current gen allows .EmpCom

Thank you for furthering my point, homes.

2 years into the 360's life and it already can't meet the dev's expectations or needs. Great job MS!

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

4. Already in the black? Are you serious. I suggest you take some finance lessons with some of the other lemmings I had to take to school a few months back. They hide a projected billion, BILLION, in warranty costs in the last fiscal year. That doesn't just disappear. Take the money made and lost from the 360 launch and I think you'll see, they are far from profitable.

cosmostein77

Wasn't your high school knowledge of economics already owned in another thread that you started about this very topic?

Although you are a Uni-System Gamer, so I am not sure why anyone seems to think your opinion matters anyway?

Nope.

I think 1.8 billion in losses is far greater than whatever millions in gaines MS claims. They can hide it in last fiscal year all they want. The fact still remains; From the 360's launch until now, money has been lost.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="BillHarrison7"]

1. You mention "I wish you just used the facts". Well, here you are guessing! You claim "A title that could easily be developed within penty of time left in the 360 gen." Yet you have no facts or information to back this claim up. You have no idea. Perhaps the 360 was not powerful enough? Perhaps there was just no way to get it done in time? You DO NOT know, yet you throw that out like a fact, moments after belittling someone for the same!

xscrapzx

Stop right there. You're right, I don't know for sure. All i do know is that the game was already being developed for 360. Whether its been a week or a month, it has already been worked on, the clock was already ticking. Add that time to what SHOULD be left on the 360. There is PLENTY of time to develope a killer app. Especially when we are talking about using the 360 technology that has already been cracked by devs. Its not like there's some major configuration to do to sqeeze juice from the console.

So, that's leaves the "why" unanswered. More than likely, the answer is the one you gave, in bold above. If that's anywhere near the reason, MS has failed.

So in your eyes if MS has failed so has Sony. Sony hasn't even come close to accomplishing anything that the 360 has. Simply because there is an article about future developement means nothing to the future for the 360 IMHO. Also by looking at how games have come out and have been developed for the PS3 they are pretty much at par with the 360 as far as performance goes. So if by chance MS wanted to make a game for the 360, but found that maybe it should be developed for a later console because of its demands. What does that say about the PS3? Which has yet to really surpass anything graphically that the 360 has come out with?

Just because a game requires more power than what the 360 currently offers does not mean "It Failed". Of course there will (I hope) be games that require more power than the 360, the ps3, even the most powerful current pc can provide in the future! Its called progress! If that were not the case, then games would get NO better, nor would we ever need to update our hardware. Its a GOOD thing to require more power! The 360 is the first "HD" console, never mind that blither blather about being a few pixels short on some games, its the first console that really takes advantage of hd, the PS3 is the second. But, its a big leap, and its obvious neither of them are capable of as Sony puts it "True HD" across the board, both consoles have many titles in 720p (Which honestly is not a problem and looks great) its just clear there IS a need for more power in the future. I am not such a fanboy as to think that the 360 is the "End all" be all console, anymore than any of the previous consoles from anyone were. So to think that they are designing a game that goes beyond what current consoles offer is not "Failure" for anything, it is infact a GREAT thing and something to look forward too!

[QUOTE="EmpCom"]Give it a rest for gods sake you dont know crap about the game or what they want to do with it (how it looks plays feels) maybe they took it away from the 360 because they want it to be better than the current gen allows .The_Crucible

Thank you for furthering my point, homes.

2 years into the 360's life and it already can't meet the dev's expectations or needs. Great job MS!

you're reaaaaally stretching to reach those straws. you twisted his point so well (poorly), I begin to wonder if you're working in the White House.

I see this thread is going to be a waste of time. The_Crucible is clearly a fan of RUSHED software. A product of the "just wait" Sony generation. I hope Sony starts developing for their PS4 (if they make one) no more than 1 year before the product launches. So that...you know...they don't take away from what could appear on the PS3.

Because it makes absolutely no sense to prepare for the future while continuing to strongly support the present.

No sense at all.

None.

Not even a little bit.

Preparing for the future is for suckers.

It makes sence that they want to spend a lot of time on making a killer launch title for their next system (like what LOZ:TP was to the Wii's launch) so I dont see nothing wrong with that.St_muscat

You do realize that LOZ:TP was a GC game right? It was made primarily for GC but was delayed so much that they simply pushed the GC version back even further to have a killer APP.

Tiwlight was not a game they spent a long time making for Wii to be a killer Wii launch title. TP was a GC game , made on and for the GC and simply ported to the Wii with added controls.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="Zhengi"]

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]all 3 manufacturers should be working on their nextGen consoles now. they take 3-4 years to design and develop. there is no suprise here.Dreams-Visions

Except this is MS developing a game for their next console. It seems strange that they're already diverting dev resources towards that instead of the 360. I doubt either Sony or Nintendo is doing this... that is, if the rumor is true.

Exactly, thank you.

Thses fanboys keep taking sections of the story and going off of that. No one is bashing the development of console early. No one is even saying developing software for the next console early is bad. But its taking a title that could be done on the 360, plenty of time, and setting aside to be used for the next gen. Having those who invested in the current gen miss out.

1.) Who are "these fanboys" you're talking about? Me? Just because my opinion differs?

2.) Since when is Microsoft struggling for RESOURCES, such that its TAKING AWAY anything from the 360? If this generation has proven anything to us--especially to you Cows--its that games now take much more time to develop than they ever have before. Halo 3 began development the WEEK AFTER Halo 2 launched. According to my math, that's approx. 2 years and 10 months (give or take) worth of development time. Let's just round up to 3 years.

One game. 3 years of development time.

And I'll again remind you that many of the big-name PS3 exclusives have been delayed. Development time is important. Developers having enough time to get a game done right without a metric ton of pressure is a good thing.

So again...point out the problem here. They're getting ready for the nextGeneration of consoles. All of the console manufacturers are. 3 years from now (the development cycle for Halo 3, for example) will put us in 2011. The 360 would be 6 full years old in 2011. It will have done the normal lifecycle. New consoles should be launching. They'll have at least one full-featured, fleshed out game that can't be called "a rush job" at that launch.

Show me the problem.

Dude, the game in question has already been worked on. So, if your 3 year mark is true, its actually less than 3 now. Don't act like development just started.

Let's say its Bioshock. They've had at least 4+ months of time on a sequal. Not to mention some of that is figured when making the first one. There's plenty of time to make a killer Bioshock sequal to release with plenty of time for enjoyment before next gen.

I could see if this was a brand new franchise and had to be made from scratch that it could tkae more time. But its not. Its a sequal.

[QUOTE="EmpCom"]Give it a rest for gods sake you dont know crap about the game or what they want to do with it (how it looks plays feels) maybe they took it away from the 360 because they want it to be better than the current gen allows .The_Crucible

Thank you for furthering my point, homes.

2 years into the 360's life and it already can't meet the dev's expectations or needs. Great job MS!

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"]

So in your eyes if MS has failed so has Sony. Sony hasn't even come close to accomplishing anything that the 360 has. Simply because there is an article about future developement means nothing to the future for the 360 IMHO. Also by looking at how games have come out and have been developed for the PS3 they are pretty much at par with the 360 as far as performance goes. So if by chance MS wanted to make a game for the 360, but found that maybe it should be developed for a later console because of its demands. What does that say about the PS3? Which has yet to really surpass anything graphically that the 360 has come out with?

The_Crucible

I think it says a ton for the PS3 that it can do the same graphics as the 360 in such a short time. Even with its new hardware that has given some devs headaches. Even with 360 using hardware devs are very familiar with. I think that says a great deal about PS3 power and its future.

And then you go on to ask if PS3 has shown an edge graphically over the 360. Are you seruious? Did you miss Uncharted? Touted by many industry leaders as being the best looking console game to date. And that was just a year after launch.

Sony fans in 2008: The PS3 has matched the 360s graphics in only a year!

:P

Nintendo started developing the Wii very shortly after the release of the GC.Erkidu

And it took them THAT long to come up with this child's toy?

ANyway. Lets see where this gets to.

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="Zhengi"]

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]all 3 manufacturers should be working on their nextGen consoles now. they take 3-4 years to design and develop. there is no suprise here.The_Crucible

Except this is MS developing a game for their next console. It seems strange that they're already diverting dev resources towards that instead of the 360. I doubt either Sony or Nintendo is doing this... that is, if the rumor is true.

Exactly, thank you.

Thses fanboys keep taking sections of the story and going off of that. No one is bashing the development of console early. No one is even saying developing software for the next console early is bad. But its taking a title that could be done on the 360, plenty of time, and setting aside to be used for the next gen. Having those who invested in the current gen miss out.

1.) Who are "these fanboys" you're talking about? Me? Just because my opinion differs?

2.) Since when is Microsoft struggling for RESOURCES, such that its TAKING AWAY anything from the 360? If this generation has proven anything to us--especially to you Cows--its that games now take much more time to develop than they ever have before. Halo 3 began development the WEEK AFTER Halo 2 launched. According to my math, that's approx. 2 years and 10 months (give or take) worth of development time. Let's just round up to 3 years.

One game. 3 years of development time.

And I'll again remind you that many of the big-name PS3 exclusives have been delayed. Development time is important. Developers having enough time to get a game done right without a metric ton of pressure is a good thing.

So again...point out the problem here. They're getting ready for the nextGeneration of consoles. All of the console manufacturers are. 3 years from now (the development cycle for Halo 3, for example) will put us in 2011. The 360 would be 6 full years old in 2011. It will have done the normal lifecycle. New consoles should be launching. They'll have at least one full-featured, fleshed out game that can't be called "a rush job" at that launch.

Show me the problem.

Dude, the game in question has already been worked on. So, if your 3 year mark is true, its actually less than 3 now. Don't act like development just started.

Let's say its Bioshock. They've had at least 4+ months of time on a sequal. Not to mention some of that is figured when making the first one. There's plenty of time to make a killer Bioshock sequal to release with plenty of time for enjoyment before next gen.

I could see if this was a brand new franchise and had to be made from scratch that it could tkae more time. But its not. Its a sequal.

How about you don't act like you're a developer? You don't know a damn thing about what needs to be done, what Microsoft's measurements of success are, what the developer has asked for in preparation of that particular game for the next generation of consoles. You don't know anything.

What you know is that you always have and will continue to moan about anything Microsoft. You always have and always will.

My point about Halo 3's dev time was a simple one, had you given it more than a cursory glance: if games this generation are taking 3 years for the premiere titles, how much longer for the NEXT generation, which will feature more technology and higher expectations for everything across teh board? Why not start now and have your product potentially COMPLETED BEFORE the launch?

Why do you feel like developers need to work until 2 weeks before launch to scramble and release a title? Is there something wrong with planning to make sure that in the event of a delay they'll have a buffer of time? Is there something wrong with not being under the gun? Is there something wrong with having what you believe will be a winner ready to go at launch?

The obvious answer is no. The problem here is that you're already in too deep trying to defend your shallow, pooly conceived opinion on this matter to be able to actually come up and admit you've not thought this issue through thoroughally to begin with and change your position.

So you'll continue trying to find whatever straws you can grasp onto to make yourself feel better.

Count me out officially now.

Enjoy your thread. Understand you have NO point. Not even a remote point. And understand that I'll not waste one more second of my rather valuable time trying to help you see that...because you're not interested in fixing your thinking; you're interested in arguing in circles.

I'll pass.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

[QUOTE="EmpCom"]Give it a rest for gods sake you dont know crap about the game or what they want to do with it (how it looks plays feels) maybe they took it away from the 360 because they want it to be better than the current gen allows .Dreams-Visions

Thank you for furthering my point, homes.

2 years into the 360's life and it already can't meet the dev's expectations or needs. Great job MS!

you're reaaaaally stretching to reach those straws. you twisted his point so well (poorly), I begin to wonder if you're working in the White House.

I see this thread is going to be a waste of time. The_Crucible is clearly a fan of RUSHED software. A product of the "just wait" Sony generation. I hope Sony starts developing for their PS4 (if they make one) no more than 1 year before the product launches. So that...you know...they don't take away from what could appear on the PS3.

Because it makes absolutely no sense to prepare for the future while continuing to strongly support the present.

No sense at all.

None.

Not even a little bit.

Preparing for the future is for suckers.

Talk about a twist. if you actually read my posts (and I know you didn't) you'd see that, that's exactly the oppostie of what I've said.

It is wise to work ahead. Yes, all three are doing it. But we are talking about a software title, not hardware or consoles. We are talking about a sequal title, already being developed for the 360, that they pushed into the next-gen to try and find some edge.

My point is that they are screwign the current gen owners. And that if people allow this crap to happen, its will never end. They will rush to get out early, get some great titles under their belt, and throw up a big peace sign as they take your money and run to the next gen to do the same thing.

We all know that MS has figured out that getting in early can be a big advantage. Now we'd like to see them figure out how to keep a console strong throuout its lifespan. Right now, it looks like they're failing.

[QUOTE="EmpCom"]Give it a rest for gods sake you dont know crap about the game or what they want to do with it (how it looks plays feels) maybe they took it away from the 360 because they want it to be better than the current gen allows .The_Crucible

Thank you for furthering my point, homes.

2 years into the 360's life and it already can't meet the dev's expectations or needs. Great job MS!

Have you ever heard of research and developement? Do you know anything about business? Maybe trying to get ahread of the competition? Look lets face facts, yes the 360 has had its issues. No denying that. But lets face it, the 360 came about a year before the PS3 and has more of the market than Sony currently has with the PS3. By the looks of your statement in this entire topic you are making it out to be like the 360 is a failure, simply because a rumour is out there that MS is already developing a newer game that probably can't be run on the 360. If thats the case if you look at Sony's history in the console business they have been the juggernaut for many years. Thus far the PS3 has not met up to anyone's expectations at all, and you if you think they have then you are just blind. The bottom line is if you want to talk about failure, you should really look at the PS3. Not the 360.

Sony fans in 2005: The PS3 is going to blow the 360 out of the water in gameplay and graphics!

Sony fans in 2008: The PS3 has matched the 360s graphics in only a year!

:P

EmpCom

i'm sure he'll completely miss your point. Why give a developer the time they need to do a game RIGHT and have it done without rushing at launch? According to The_Crucible, it's all about waiting.

Let him wait.

I'm done with this stupid thread.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

[QUOTE="EmpCom"]Give it a rest for gods sake you dont know crap about the game or what they want to do with it (how it looks plays feels) maybe they took it away from the 360 because they want it to be better than the current gen allows .Dreams-Visions

Thank you for furthering my point, homes.

2 years into the 360's life and it already can't meet the dev's expectations or needs. Great job MS!

you're reaaaaally stretching to reach those straws. you twisted his point so well (poorly), I begin to wonder if you're working in the White House.

I see this thread is going to be a waste of time. The_Crucible is clearly a fan of RUSHED software. A product of the "just wait" Sony generation. I hope Sony starts developing for their PS4 (if they make one) no more than 1 year before the product launches. So that...you know...they don't take away from what could appear on the PS3.

Because it makes absolutely no sense to prepare for the future while continuing to strongly support the present.

No sense at all.

None.

Not even a little bit.

Preparing for the future is for suckers.

Dude, you are making so little sense that it is YOU who are stretching. How you manage to call cows the "just wait" generation and fans of RUSHED software in the very same sentence is mind boggling.

Second, the biggest problem with the PS3 is that they DIDN'T start development on games until way late. Many developers didn't even have final dev kits when the PS3 launched.

Third, you clearly miss the main point of criticism. We already know for a fact that Sony supports more than one console. They supported the PS1 for years when the PS3 came out. They still support the PS2 now that the PS3 is out. On the other hand, there is MS who flat out kills all support (even third party) for their past console to "get the jump" on the next gen.

So the only thing that makes no sense is your post.

Having said that, I WOULD Like to point out to all the knee-jerkers that it is normal for game development to take two to three years for major titles. This is nothing new. However, it is a major stretch to say that MS POSSIBLE (not confirmed) developing a game now is the same thing as saying they have thier next console already planned out and are building it today. I would also point out that this article says the game was shelved until next gen. There is absolutely ZERO evidencethat they are still working on this title and developing it for next gen. Chances are the game is shelved for a good year or two until MS knows for sure what the final 360 specs will be.

How about you don't act like you're a developer? You don't know a damn thing about what needs to be done, what Microsoft's measurements of success are, what the developer has asked for in preparation of that particular game for the next generation of consoles. You don't know anything.

What you know is that you always have and will continue to moan about anything Microsoft. You always have and always will.

My point about Halo 3's dev time was a simple one, had you given it more than a cursory glance: if games this generation are taking 3 years for the premiere titles, how much longer for the NEXT generation, which will feature more technology and higher expectations for everything across teh board? Why not start now and have your product potentially COMPLETED BEFORE the launch?

Why do you feel like developers need to work until 2 weeks before launch to scramble and release a title? Is there something wrong with planning to make sure that in the event of a delay they'll have a buffer of time? Is there something wrong with not being under the gun? Is there something wrong with having what you believe will be a winner ready to go at launch?

The obvious answer is no. The problem here is that you're already in too deep trying to defend your shallow, pooly conceived opinion on this matter to be able to actually come up and admit you've not thought this issue through thoroughally to begin with and change your position.

So you'll continue trying to find whatever straws you can grasp onto to make yourself feel better.

Count me out officially now.

Enjoy your thread. Understand you have NO point. Not even a remote point. And understand that I'll not waste one more second of my rather valuable time trying to help you see that...because you're not interested in fixing your thinking; you're interested in arguing in circles.

I'll pass.

Dreams-Visions

I like how you make a point by telling me what I'm not when you aren't either.

Also, again you totally miss the point. Yes, dev time is increasing as the technology gets newer. So, yes, if making a game for next gen it will take longer.

The point STILL is, they can make this game for this gen. Make another game altogether or make the next sequal in the series for the nnext gen. Keep the title currently in development for this gen. Give your console owners something to look farward to besides plucking down hundreds on a new system.

[QUOTE="EmpCom"]Sony fans in 2005: The PS3 is going to blow the 360 out of the water in gameplay and graphics!

Sony fans in 2008: The PS3 has matched the 360s graphics in only a year!

:P

Dreams-Visions

i'm sure he'll completely miss your point. Why give a developer the time they need to do a game RIGHT and have it done without rushing at launch? According to The_Crucible, it's all about waiting.

Let him wait.

I'm done with this stupid thread.

You were done before you started. Truly a disappointing day for DV. I thought you had more insight and care for the business than this. Guess not.