Year of the PSP: DS may have the sales, but not the games.

[QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]Enjoy your rehash pokemon with rehash gameplay and story with no dialogue. I'll enjoy my Crisis Core with its fresh battle system, new FF7 story addition with great voice acting.wavedash101

And I'll enjoy PW 3's awesome dialogue which rips FF's and be playing DQ IX, FF IV with new content and Luminous Arc...and Pokemon online with my friends

Have fun ^_^

Since when did PW3 have dialogue beyond objection?  And Hentai games offer better click fest experience that PW. 

Rune Factory: A Fantasy Harvest Moon.

I just obliterated your list.

Sorry, Pokemon still owns everything. _Pedro_

I own a DS but no PSP.

I have to agree though that the PSP lineup looks quite good. The funny thing is that the game i'm most interested in wasn't even listed in the original post:

Dungeon Maker: Hunting Grounds.

It's very unlikely i will ever get a PSP because of my limited time and budget but everyone owning a PSP can look forward to a few nice games. 

[QUOTE="wavedash101"]

[QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]Enjoy your rehash pokemon with rehash gameplay and story with no dialogue. I'll enjoy my Crisis Core with its fresh battle system, new FF7 story addition with great voice acting.NobuoMusicMaker

And I'll enjoy PW 3's awesome dialogue which rips FF's and be playing DQ IX, FF IV with new content and Luminous Arc...and Pokemon online with my friends

Have fun ^_^

Since when did PW3 have dialogue beyond objection?  And Hentai games offer better click fest experience that PW. 

Besides, PSP just became dead to me as of June 5th.

That's why when I said the PSP had thirty ports/multiplats out of 55 games while the DS had only four ports/multiplats out of 25 games, I was referring to all of their games rated 8.0-8.9 (excluding the AAAs, because I already know that they are exclusives), to limit the selection to games that most people would consider worth playing.

I'm sure if I looked at 7.0-7.9 games, I'll find an even higher ratio of ports/multiplats to exclusives on the PSP, and an even lower ratio on the DS, because a lot of the DS's most unique games are rated low in graphics and sound. 

mjarantilla

You're missing the point... my point is, the DS gets its shares of multiplats/ports, and you can't deny that fact. I didn't make a distinction of whether a game was good or not, I was just making the claim that the DS is not free from multiplats/ports. Let's just leave it at that, I don't need you interjecting restrictions such as "oh but I'm only counting games scoring higher than xx", because it's really convenient to only look at the good of the system you support and not the bad.

And if I remember correctly, your idea of a port can be extended to sequels as well...

So for example, a game like Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops, or Daxter, or God of War: Chains of Olympus, in YOUR mind, is also a port, because you feel that you can play a similar kind of game on the console.

But at the same time, games like Mario Kart, Advance Wars, Yoshi's Island, Animal Crossing, Phoenix Wright, New Super Mario Bros are NOT ports because for some reason you can't find these kind of games on another platform??

Please help me understand this hypocrisy.

[QUOTE="_Pedro_"]Sorry, Pokemon still owns everything. bleehum

How can inanimate object be gay?

Okay, if we're going by the argument that multiplatform = port, then IT IS ABSURD TO SAY THAT THE PSP ONLY HAS PORTS WHEREAS THE DS HAS ONLY ORIGINAL GAMES

DS ports/multiplats

Final Fantasy III (Super Famicom)
Resident Evil: Deadly Silence (PS)
Super Mario 64 DS (N64)

My apologies if I got some of these wrong. I know there are people out there who will point out one thing wrong with the list, and they think it invalidates my entire list.

Everyone's argument is why play a game on the PSP when I can play a better version on another platform? For some reason a lot of people don't think it applies to the DS. It truly baffles me to no end.

Yeah I know a lot of these games suck, but you have to admit, they usually ARE better on another platform than the DS.

mahjustin

And if I remember correctly, your idea of a port can be extended to sequels as well...mahjustin

For the last effing time, NO. My idea of a port or mock sequel can only be extended to games that do NOTHING SUBSTANTIAL to expand on the previous game. MGSPO, Daxter, GoW, Phoenix Wright, and Advance Wars DS all have different campaigns and different storylines, and so are NOT ports. MarioKart adds 8-player multiplayer, battle modes, and online, and is NOT a port, either.

Animal Crossing, however, might as well be a port, because it adds nothing substantial, just like how Ridge Racer, Burnout, almost all sports games, almost all "sequel" puzzle games, and almost all one-trick-pony games (Katamari) might as well be ports. I don't know about any of the others, because I haven't played them.

And to clarify YET AGAIN, if Konami made an Elebits game on the DS, I would ALSO call that a port, because games like Elebits and Katamari are games that have absolutely no direction or design to them, except to cause chaos.

Please stop confusing my words with that imbecile Phil_Ken_Sebben's idiotic interpretations.

You're missing the point... my point is, the DS gets its shares of multiplats/ports, and you can't deny that fact. I didn't make a distinction of whether a game was good or not, I was just making the claim that the DS is not free from multiplats/ports. Let's just leave it at that, I don't need you interjecting restrictions such as "oh but I'm only counting games scoring higher than xx", because it's really convenient to only look at the good of the system you support and not the bad.mahjustin

No, you're missing MY point. MY point is to explain why popular opinion is that the PSP is inundated with ports: because most of its high-rated games ARE ports. People look at the PSP's most wanted games list, and they see a list composed 60% of ports or multiplats.

And saying the DS has ports is worthless and stupid, because you don't bother to gather any kind of information as to how many ports there are compared to its exclusives, and you include in the list games that people don't even want to play.

It's completely idiotic to make blanket statements like, "The PSP has ports, it's bad," and "The DS has ports, it's also bad," because it doesn't take into account ANY kind of gradient or value in the data. The DS has fewer ports, more exclusives, and MANY more new IPs among its high-demand games than the PSP. THAT is what matters to buyers. Not your technicalities.

If you won't accept that, then this conversation is over.

what is final fantasy war of the lions? never heard of it or am i mixing two games? anyway gow makes a psp worth buying imoAsadMahdi59

 In the first Final Fantasy Tactics, the two opposing armies both flew banners that bore lion's crests on them. Hence, the War of the Lions. It's an upgraded port of the original FFT.

You can keep your PSP games, I still think DS games are better.UKNintendoFreak

So says the man with the 6.1 atrocity as his avatar.

Yeah, yeah, I know about all of those. But you have to admit that the ratio of ports to exclusives is much, much higher on the PSP than on the DS. That creates the perception I was talking about: that a lot of the PSP's good games can be found on the PS2.

mjarantilla

Higher? Yes

Much higher? Doubt it, maybe.

Much much higher? Not at all.

Although I will give you the perception angle as thats pretty much undeniable the truth of the matter is that the ratio isn't as high as some people believe that the PSP actually has good multiplats for the most part (unlike the DS) and that they usually are lower priced and have additional content or modes.

The multiplat angle I don't believe is a legitimate bash against PSP. 

[QUOTE="qewrewq"]Agreed, PSP's lineup is starting to look AMAZING. Seriously, can anyone say "psp has no good games" right now and NOT be totally biased?mjarantilla

I think the problem is that people think that the PSP has few good exclusive games. So many of its best games can be found on the PS2 or PS3.

Pretty much. Thus the name "Portable Playstation"

[QUOTE="mahjustin"]Okay, if we're going by the argument that multiplatform = port, then IT IS ABSURD TO SAY THAT THE PSP ONLY HAS PORTS WHEREAS THE DS HAS ONLY ORIGINAL GAMES

DS ports/multiplats

Final Fantasy III (Super Famicom)
Resident Evil: Deadly Silence (PS)
Super Mario 64 DS (N64)

My apologies if I got some of these wrong. I know there are people out there who will point out one thing wrong with the list, and they think it invalidates my entire list.

Everyone's argument is why play a game on the PSP when I can play a better version on another platform? For some reason a lot of people don't think it applies to the DS. It truly baffles me to no end.

Yeah I know a lot of these games suck, but you have to admit, they usually ARE better on another platform than the DS.

nintendofreak_2

hey nintendofreak_2,

please help me understand what ports people were hyping for the PSP.... are you includuing multiplats = ports too?

... to me Grand Theft Auto: LCS and VCS were not ports. Same worlds perhaps, but completely different storylines.
Metal Gear Solid: PO is no port, otherwise that'd be the same as calling Metal Gear Solid 2 and 3 ports of the original MGS as well.
Daxter, Tekken: DR (now ported to the PS3, so the PS3 has the port, not the PSP), Lumines (also ported to other systems), Syphon Filter (also now ported), Wipeout, SOCOM, CRUSH, God of War, Jeanne D'Arc, Final Fantasy VII: CC, Killzone: Liberation, Rachet and Clank, Metal Gear Acid series, etc are all not ports

The only games, in my opinion, that are ports and scored relatively well were, Sid Meier's Pirates!, Final Fantasy Tactics, Megaman Maverick Hunter X, Parappa, actually I can't think of that many that were ports and were hyped.

Yes, you PSP fanboys stick to the same 5 or 6 games that you've been hyping for the past 2 years. I guess DS fans will have to make to with likes of Dragon Quest 9, Ninja Gaiden or ZeldaNorthlandMan

Last two years? Most of the highly hyped games either weren't even announced a year ago or weren't announced for English release until a few months ago.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

Yeah, yeah, I know about all of those. But you have to admit that the ratio of ports to exclusives is much, much higher on the PSP than on the DS. That creates the perception I was talking about: that a lot of the PSP's good games can be found on the PS2.

Runningflame570

Higher? Yes

Much higher? Doubt it, maybe.

Much much higher? Not at all.

30 out of 55 PSP games rated between 8.0 and 8.9 on GameSpot are ports and multiplats.

4 out of 25 DS games rated between 8.0 and 8.9 on GameSpot are ports and multiplats. 

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="qewrewq"]Agreed, PSP's lineup is starting to look AMAZING. Seriously, can anyone say "psp has no good games" right now and NOT be totally biased?whitetiger3521

I think the problem is that people think that the PSP has few good exclusive games. So many of its best games can be found on the PS2 or PS3.

There is a reason it's called the PLAYSTATION Portable!!!

hey nintendofreak_2,

please help me understand what ports people were hyping for the PSP.... are you includuing multiplats = ports too?

... to me Grand Theft Auto: LCS and VCS were not ports. Same worlds perhaps, but completely different storylines.
Metal Gear Solid: PO is no port, otherwise that'd be the same as calling Metal Gear Solid 2 and 3 ports of the original MGS as well.
Daxter, Tekken: DR (now ported to the PS3, so the PS3 has the port, not the PSP), Lumines (also ported to other systems), Syphon Filter (also now ported), Wipeout, SOCOM, CRUSH, God of War, Jeanne D'Arc, Final Fantasy VII: CC, Killzone: Liberation, Rachet and Clank, Metal Gear Acid series, etc are all not ports

The only games, in my opinion, that are ports and scored relatively well were, Sid Meier's Pirates!, Final Fantasy Tactics, Megaman Maverick Hunter X, Parappa, actually I can't think of that many that were ports and were hyped.

mahjustin

The fact that many of the PSP's games are available on other, more prominent systems is enough to harm the PSP's image. Buyers don't care whether a game was ported TO or ported FROM a particular system. That's why I specify ports/multiplats instead of just ports.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="qewrewq"]Agreed, PSP's lineup is starting to look AMAZING. Seriously, can anyone say "psp has no good games" right now and NOT be totally biased?whitetiger3521

I think the problem is that people think that the PSP has few good exclusive games. So many of its best games can be found on the PS2 or PS3.

There is a reason it's called the PLAYSTATION Portable!!!  

No, thats the brand name. Jesus, Playstation is a trademark name of Sony, its that simple. The PSP has lots of franchises that can be found on the PS2 or any console with a recognizeable franchise like Megaman or something, but the DS has ones that can also be found on different platforms as well so the PSP isnt the only handheld with old franchise names for games. The DS has more new IP's and a lot of unique games, the PSP has a lot of titles that people have come to enjoy like Metal Gear, God of War and many of Sony's first party IP's

Btw, the only games that would make me buy a PSP at this point are Star Ocean 1&2 (since I cant find them for my PS2), Final Fantasy Tactics remake (I loved the original and want to play it again), Silent Hill and God of War. So 5 games that I think would be a good reason to buy a PSP seems decent to me, however I am a hardcore DS owner and love the games coming out for it. I might get a PSP when those games get released.

[quote="mahjustin"]And if I remember correctly, your idea of a port can be extended to sequels as well...mjarantilla

For the last effing time, NO. My idea of a port or mock sequel can only be extended to games that do NOTHING SUBSTANTIAL to expand on the previous game. MGSPO, Daxter, GoW, Phoenix Wright, and Advance Wars DS all have different campaigns and different storylines, and so are NOT ports. MarioKart adds 8-player multiplayer, battle modes, and online, and is NOT a port, either.

Animal Crossing, however, might as well be a port, because it adds nothing substantial, just like how Ridge Racer, Burnout, almost all sports games, almost all "sequel" puzzle games, and almost all one-trick-pony games (Katamari) might as well be ports. I don't know about any of the others, because I haven't played them.

And to clarify YET AGAIN, if Konami made an Elebits game on the DS, I would ALSO call that a port, because games like Elebits and Katamari are games that have absolutely no direction or design to them, except to cause chaos.

Please stop confusing my words with that imbecile Phil_Ken_Sebben's idiotic interpretations.

You're missing the point... my point is, the DS gets its shares of multiplats/ports, and you can't deny that fact. I didn't make a distinction of whether a game was good or not, I was just making the claim that the DS is not free from multiplats/ports. Let's just leave it at that, I don't need you interjecting restrictions such as "oh but I'm only counting games scoring higher than xx", because it's really convenient to only look at the good of the system you support and not the bad.mahjustin

No, you're missing MY point. MY point is to explain why popular opinion is that the PSP is inundated with ports: because most of its high-rated games ARE ports. People look at the PSP's most wanted games list, and they see a list composed 60% of ports or multiplats.

And saying the DS has ports is worthless and stupid, because you don't bother to gather any kind of information as to how many ports there are compared to its exclusives, and you include in the list games that people don't even want to play.

It's completely idiotic to make blanket statements like, "The PSP has ports, it's bad," and "The DS has ports, it's also bad," because it doesn't take into account ANY kind of gradient or value in the data. The DS has fewer ports, more exclusives, and MANY more new IPs among its high-demand games than the PSP. THAT is what matters to buyers. Not your technicalities.

If you won't accept that, then this conversation is over.

I can see we're both trying to argue different points here, I'm just trying to say that the DS has ports/multiplats, that's it. That's the only point I was trying to make. I mentioned earlier that the games I listed can be mostly crap, so I did take into account that my point of arguement did not concern the top-rated games for the DS. I understand where you're coming from, because ppl only care about the top rated games,  but what irks me is that a lot of people (not you) think that the DS only gets the rare port, but the PSP gets every port imaginable, and I know that this is simply not true.

I apologize for suggesting what I thought you believed a port to be, you sound extremely angry in your post.

And I don't disagree that saying that a system has ports is bad. I completely agree with you there. Both system has ports, so what? And you're right, it doesn't mean anything. The PSP gets a lot of good ports, and that's not necessarily a bad thing either.

The PSP has a lot of exclusive (or timed exclusives, such as Lumines, Syphon Filter, Grand Theft Auto) games, and if you compare the amount of exclusive AA and AAA, the PSP and DS are extremely close. After that, the PSP has more AA non-exclusives...  so I'm a little confused... are you saying the top rated games is made of 60% ports/multiplats, or are you saying the games that the people want the most is made up of 60% ports/multiplats, because there is a difference.

The fact that many of the PSP's games are available on other, more prominent systems is enough to harm the PSP's image. Buyers don't care whether a game was ported TO or ported FROM a particular system. That's why I specify ports/multiplats instead of just ports.

mjarantilla

Are you saying that the VC on the Wii is hurting the NES, SNES, N64, Turbographx 16, etc image? or that Phoenix Wright is hurting the GBA? Or that any compilation of old Mario or Zelda or any VC games, etc are to be considered as ports on the original system? "Buy Super Mario Bros. the NES cartridge!! It's a port of the Wii's VC version!!!"

Enjoy your rehash pokemon with rehash gameplay and story with no dialogue. I'll enjoy my Crisis Core with its fresh battle system, new FF7 story addition with great voice acting.NobuoMusicMaker

After that, the PSP has more AA non-exclusives... so I'm a little confused... are you saying the top rated games is made of 60% ports/multiplats, or are you saying the games that the people want the most is made up of 60% ports/multiplats, because there is a difference.mahjustin

I'm saying that when an average consumer, who more than likely already owns a PS2, walks up to a wall of PSP games, he will see a LOT of the same games that are on the PS2's shelves, which platform version do you think he'd go for? Hell, if someone who DOESN'T own a PS2 walks up to the wall, sees the same games on the shelves, then sees the $180 price tag on the PSP compared to the $120 price tag on the PS2 (even that's a stretch; the PSP was $200 until just a couple of months ago), do you think he's more likely to buy a PS2 or a PSP?

Are you saying that the VC on the Wii is hurting the NES, SNES, N64, Turbographx 16, etc image? or that Phoenix Wright is hurting the GBA? Or that any compilation of old Mario or Zelda or any VC games, etc are to be considered as ports on the original system? "Buy Super Mario Bros. the NES cartridge!! It's a port of the Wii's VC version!!!"mahjustin

You're just being facetious with the VC question. With the GBA question, yes, it probably does, except that I think the GBA has its own exclusive Phoenix Wright games, since the series started on the GBA.

It's like how the PS3/360 sharing so many multiplats hurts both systems. But, the PS3 and 360 are so similar in horsepower, public image, and gameplay design that they both suffer equally. Not so with the PS2 and PSP. The PS2 is far more established and far more powerful.

30 out of 55 PSP games rated between 8.0 and 8.9 on GameSpot are ports and multiplats.

4 out of 25 DS games rated between 8.0 and 8.9 on GameSpot are ports and multiplats.

mjarantilla

Now you are changing the rules, you said ports..not multiplats and ports. Also your numbers are wrong, Age of Empires is basically a redesigned Age of Empires II. 

God of War and Rainbow Six on a handheld is pretty amazing, but once again I have to remind everyone that the major consumer for handhelds are children.  God of War on the PSP will definitely be a AAA, but Pokemon put the DS' sales above any platform console or handheld.  The PSP will never beat DS in sales simply because Nintendo knows how to target the right audience.  PSP does have great games, anyone who says otherwise is in fact Bias, but Nintendo has more games that appeal to the majority of handheld users.AnimeArtist

Not necessarily. I see less kids today playing handhelds and more teenagers/young adults doing so, most kids have GBA SP's since they are dirt cheap now and there is a huge lineup of good games for the handheld and a lot of parents dont want to shell out the extra money for a bigger unit for their little kids most of the time. I see some kids about 8 year olds playing the DS, but then again my friends and younger brother are also DS owners, all of whom are 15 or older. I am 20 myself and love owning a DS, so handheld gaming isnt for children, heck I didnt own my first Gameboy until I was 10 when I got a Gameboy Colour. The fact is that I see less children playing handhelds as I do teenagers.

Looks like someone didn't even look at what the DS has coming out...... :|

Let me clue you in..... Zelda: Phantom Hourglass, Ninja Gaiden Dragon Sword, Final Fantasy Tactics 2, Final  Fantasy IV, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles RoF, Final Fantasy XII RW, Phoenix Wright 3, Brothers in Arms: War Stories, Brain Age 2, The Settlers, etc.

Looks like someone didn't even look at what the DS has coming out...... :|

Let me clue you in..... Zelda: Phantom Hourglass, Ninja Gaiden Dragon Sword, Final Fantasy Tactics 2, Final Fantasy IV, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles RoF, Final Fantasy XII RW, Phoenix Wright 3, Brothers in Arms: War Stories, Brain Age 2, The Settlers, etc.

GamerForca

Tactics 2? Sweet. I didn't even know about that. The first one was a great game.

Tactics 2? Sweet. I didn't even know about that. The first one was a great game.

Impex

Don't get too hyped..its supposed to be more like the GBA game than the PS1 title (and the Gameboy Advance game was inferior in pretty much every regard). 

All I see this year for the PSP is Parappa and God of War, Maybe FF7:CC.

And please, did you seriously just list R6V?

Please, the PSP will have its occasional hits, but it still cannot touch the DS 

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="mahjustin"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

Over thirty ports out of 55 PSP games, versus only four ports out of 25 DS games.

mahjustin

Are we going to have this arguement about what is and isn't a port again?

Okay, if we're going by the argument that multiplatform = port, then IT IS ABSURD TO SAY THAT THE PSP ONLY HAS PORTS WHEREAS THE DS HAS ONLY ORIGINAL GAMES

DS ports/multiplats

2006 FIFA World Cup (multiplat)
A Boy and His Blob (NES)
Asphalt: Urban GT 2 (PSP)
Avatar: The Last Airbender (multiplat)
Barbie in The 12 Dancing Princesses (multiplat)
Big Mutha Truckers (multiplat)
Bionicle Heroes (multiplat)
Bratz: Forever Diamondz (multiplat)
Burnout Legends (PSP)
Bust A Move (arcade)
BubbleBobble (arcade)
Cake Mania (PC Flash game)
Cars (multiplat)
Charlotte's Web (PC)
Darren Reid's The Half Broken Crown: The Broken Kingdoms (multiplat)
Deal or No Deal (PC, GBA)
Dig Dug (arcade)
Diner Dash (PC port, PSP multiplat)
Disney's Chicken Little: Ace in Action (PS2, GC)
Dogz (PC)
Elf Bowling 1 & 2 (PC)
Eragon (multiplat)
F24: Stealth Fighter (GBA)
Fantastic 4: Rise of the Silver Surfer (multiplat)
Fifa Street 2 (multiplat)
Fifa 06 (multiplat)
FIFA 07 (multiplat)
Final Fantasy III (Super Famicom)
Flushed Away (GC, PS2)
Frogger Helmet Chaos (multiplat)
Ford Racing 3 (multiplat)
GoldenEye: Rogue Agent (multiplat)
Greg Hastings' Tournament Paintball Max'd (multiplat)
Garfield: Tale of 2 Kitties (PS2)
Gunpey (PSP)
Happy Feet (multiplat)
Harlem Globetrotters: World Tour (PC, GBA)
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (multiplat)
Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (multiplat)
Ice Age 2: The Meltdown (multiplat)
Justice League Heroes (multiplat)
Kim Possible 5 (PS2)
Konami Clas sics Series: Arcade Hits (compilation of ports)
Lego Star Wars II: The Original Trilogy (multiplat)
Madden NFL 06 (multiplat)
Madden NFL 07 (multiplat)
Madden NFL 2005 (multiplat)
Marvel Nemesis: Rise of the Imperfects (multiplat)
Madagascar (multiplat)
Micro Machines V4 (multiplat)
Monster House (multiplat)
Need for Speed Most Wanted (multiplat)
Need for Speed Underground 2 (multiplat)
Need for Speed Carbon: Own the City (multiplat)
Nicktoons: Battle for Volcano Island (GC, PS2)
Nicktoons Unite! (multiplat)
Open Season (multiplat)
Over the Hedge (multiplat)
Over the Hedge: Hammy Goes Nuts (PSP)
Pac-Man World 3 (multiplat)
Peter Jackson's King Kong (multiplat)
Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest (PSP)
Pogo Island (PC from pogo.com)
Puyo Pop Fever (GC)
Puyo Puyo Fever 2 (multiplat)
Puzzle Quest: Challenge of the Warlords (PSP)
Rainbow Islands Revolution (arcade)
Ratatouille (multiplat)
Reel Fishing: Life & Nature (PSP)
Resident Evil: Deadly Silence (PS)
Rayman DS (N64)
Robots (multiplat)
Scooby-Doo! Unmasked (multiplat)
Shrek the Third (multiplat)
Shrek Smash and Crash (multiplat)
Shrek SuperSlam (multiplat)
SimCity DS (PC Simcity 3000)
Scooby Doo! Who's Watching Who? (PSP)
SNK vs. Capcom Card Fighters (Neo Geo Pocket)
Spider-Man 2 (multiplat)
Spider-Man 3 (multiplat)
SpongeBob SquarePants: Creature from the Krusty Krab (multiplat)
Star Trek: Tactical Assault (PSP)
Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith (multiplat)
Super Black Bass Fishing (SNES)
Super Mario 64 DS (N64)
Superman Returns: The Videogame (multiplat)
Steel Horizon (PSP)
The Settlers (PC)
The Sims 2 (multiplat)
The Sims 2: Pets (multiplat)
The Urbz: Sims in the City (multiplat)
Theme Park (PC and PS)
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Chaos Theory (multiplat)
Tomb Raider: Legend (multiplat)
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 3: Mutant Nightmare (multiplat)
TMNT (multiplat)
Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam (Wii)
Top Spin 2 (X360)
The Chronicles of Narnia (multiplat)
Tak: The Great Juju Challenge (multiplat)
Tiger Woods PGA Tour (multiplat)
The Incredibles: Rise of the Underminer (multiplat)
Ultimate Spider-Man (multiplat)
World Championship Poker (multiplat)
Worms: Open Warfare (PSP)
X-Men: The Official Game (multiplat)
Zendoku (PSP)

My apologies if I got some of these wrong. I know there are people out there who will point out one thing wrong with the list, and they think it invalidates my entire list.

Everyone's argument is why play a game on the PSP when I can play a better version on another platform? For some reason a lot of people don't think it applies to the DS. It truly baffles me to no end.

Yeah I know a lot of these games suck, but you have to admit, they usually ARE better on another platform than the DS.

[QUOTE="Impex"]

Tactics 2? Sweet. I didn't even know about that. The first one was a great game.

Runningflame570

Don't get too hyped..its supposed to be more like the GBA game than the PS1 title (and the Gameboy Advance game was inferior in pretty much every regard). 

Apples to orange, FFTA was not trying to be like the PS1 version, besides, a lot of people have played the PS1 version like myself, and FFTA is pretty different but still a quality game and worth of the Final Fantasy Tactics name. Don't even try to say that it wasnt like Tactics on the PS1 because it wasnt supposed to be, I dont think SE intended on doing that.

Super Mario DS and Mario Kart DS are apparently not ports at all, then. Cute, very cute, but I'm inclined to disagree.Redfingers

Please explain to me how Mario Kart DS is a port when it has new tracks, more characters and online play? There are tracks in the game that were revamped from the console and GBA versions, but most of them dont even look like the other tracks aside from Mushroom Bridge which was on the GC and got a serious revamp for the DS but all the old tracks from Mario Kart 64 and the SNES one look much better imo.