Years Later Fallout 3, Oblivion, Still Dominate ( Games that make you think )

Yeah i know the die hard Fallout fans will praise the older games or Fallout:New Vegas, but reviews speak for themselves, and Fallout 3 is the highest rated Fallout game to date, like it or not.

I'm so sick and tired of game series like Gears, Halo, Killzone, Resistance and Call of Duty, thats all that ever comes out, just mindless run and gun shooters, yeah ok i know they sell, but what does that tell you about the mind set of young people today.

They would rather run around pressing a trigger, than put any thought into games like Fallout 3, Oblivion, Dragon Age and so on, and if thats the kind of message we send dev's then one day thats all we'll get is all FPS multiplayer shooters.

Not me, i refuse to buy them, i've played through Dragon Age for the 5th time, and restarted Oblivion and Fallout 3 recently for like the 25th time and i'll be buying Dragon Age 2 next week and enjoying that along with the other 2011 RPG releases.

Gothic 4, Hunter:The Demons Forge, Dungeon Siege 3, Elder Scrolls 5 Skyrim.....ya' know games with quests, strategy, puzzle solving, games that make you think when you play, otherwise we're all just proving our parents right all these years by sitting in front of a game console running around shooting one another.

Been there, done WITH that....

The Witcher is one game that will really make you think hard just with its story.funsohng

Dissapointed in Oblivion (although I played it for like 100 hours lol), and Fallout 3 was a tad better overall, but less interesting to me. Skyrim looks awesome though!

Fallout: New Vegas was AMAZING. :D But Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor is a fairly thought provoking game, with one of the most epic cliffhanger endings ever. Can't wait for the sequel.

i cant say those games made me think much... RTS games are good for thinking

reviews speak for themselves Slimmin360

Reviews speak for nothing save the reviewer's opinion.

Most gaming journalists are just glorified product reviewers; there's nary a legitimate critic among the lot of them. Their opinions are ill-informed and fleeting, which puts them at a disadvantage against many of those posting on this very board, though certainly not you, sir, for you seem content to rely on their opinions rather than your own, as if theirs were the word from on high. Sorry, doesn't cut it here.

New Vegas is a much better game than Fallout 3. I will argue this point with anyone, at any time, and probably win quite handily, seeing as how the facts are aligned quite nicely in my corner (a luxury I'm rarely afforded).

Oblivion is great game in every aspect and now Skyrim too looks really good.

I love the Fallout and Oblivion games. There's nothing I hate worse than buying a game and doing almost everything there is to do in 10 hours. My most recent experience with this was Uncharted 2. It was an awesome game.. but 10 hours on normal? Geez, glad I got it for $29.99

They stoped making games that make you think a decade ago.

I want to get fallout 3 and New vegas for PC I have fallout 3 on ps3. i want to mod fallout 3. My Pc cannot run fallout 3 im pretty sure with its graphics card.

Yeah i know the die hard Fallout fans will praise the older games or Fallout:New Vegas, but reviews speak for themselves, and Fallout 3 is the highest rated Fallout game to date, like it or not.

I'm so sick and tired of game series like Gears, Halo, Killzone, Resistance and Call of Duty, thats all that ever comes out, just mindless run and gun shooters, yeah ok i know they sell, but what does that tell you about the mind set of young people today.

They would rather run around pressing a trigger, than put any thought into games like Fallout 3, Oblivion, Dragon Age and so on, and if thats the kind of message we send dev's then one day thats all we'll get is all FPS multiplayer shooters.

Not me, i refuse to buy them, i've played through Dragon Age for the 5th time, and restarted Oblivion and Fallout 3 recently for like the 25th time and i'll be buying Dragon Age 2 next week and enjoying that along with the other 2011 RPG releases.

Gothic 4, Hunter:The Demons Forge, Dungeon Siege 3, Elder Scrolls 5 Skyrim.....ya' know games with quests, strategy, puzzle solving, games that make you think when you play, otherwise we're all just proving our parents right all these years by sitting in front of a game console running around shooting one another.

Been there, done WITH that....

Slimmin360

I tried Fallout 3 and found it boring.

All the characters(well most) shared the standard WRPG soulless emotion acting. Though Liberty prime was awesome.

Even after I set off the nuke, my reaction was, "that's it. That was what all that pointless walking was for."

Yeah i know the die hard Fallout fans will praise the older games or Fallout:New Vegas, but reviews speak for themselves, and Fallout 3 is the highest rated Fallout game to date, like it or not.

I'm so sick and tired of game series like Gears, Halo, Killzone, Resistance and Call of Duty, thats all that ever comes out, just mindless run and gun shooters, yeah ok i know they sell, but what does that tell you about the mind set of young people today.

They would rather run around pressing a trigger, than put any thought into games like Fallout 3, Oblivion, Dragon Age and so on, and if thats the kind of message we send dev's then one day thats all we'll get is all FPS multiplayer shooters.

Not me, i refuse to buy them, i've played through Dragon Age for the 5th time, and restarted Oblivion and Fallout 3 recently for like the 25th time and i'll be buying Dragon Age 2 next week and enjoying that along with the other 2011 RPG releases.

Gothic 4, Hunter:The Demons Forge, Dungeon Siege 3, Elder Scrolls 5 Skyrim.....ya' know games with quests, strategy, puzzle solving, games that make you think when you play, otherwise we're all just proving our parents right all these years by sitting in front of a game console running around shooting one another.

Been there, done WITH that....

[QUOTE="Remmib"]Oblivion? Let down of the century. The game was a joke compared to it's predecessor. Fallout 3? So very meh.Mozelleple112

Except atmosphere, world design, story, role playing.

[QUOTE="Slimmin360"]reviews speak for themselves jethrovegas

Reviews speak for nothing save the reviewer's opinion.

Most gaming journalists are just glorified product reviewers; there's nary a legitimate critic among the lot of them. Their opinions are ill-informed and fleeting, which puts them at a disadvantage against many of those posting on this very board, though certainly not you, sir, for you seem content to rely on their opinions rather than your own, as if theirs were the word from on high. Sorry, doesn't cut it here.

New Vegas is a much better game than Fallout 3. I will argue this point with anyone, at any time, and probably win quite handily, seeing as how the facts are aligned quite nicely in my corner (a luxury I'm rarely afforded).

We get it, you like RPGs...Iantheone

I hated how Oblivion treated the player like a simpleton, while the level scaling in Fallout 3 made the game too easy.

In Fallout 1 & 2 you could 'ruin' the story if you weren't thinking by making a stupid choice. In Fallout 3, there are no real repercussions for your actions. That and combat was god-awful in fallout 3.Wardemon50

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"][QUOTE="Remmib"]Oblivion? Let down of the century. The game was a joke compared to it's predecessor. Fallout 3? So very meh.waltefmoney

Except atmosphere, world design, story, role playing.

. Oblivion's story blew away Morrowind's, and role playing doesn't get any better than Oblivion, not to mention it had better Level scaling than Morrowind..Slimmin360

Yay? :|

These are facts everyone who has played both games knows already, you can prefer which ever one you want, but it won't change world wide opinion and reviews, New Vegas is an incomplete game and it's a shame, if it was ever patched to the point of playing as flawlessly as Fallout 3, then i would absolutely buy it again. Until that day comes, it doesn't touch Fallout 3.Slimmin360

In Fallout 1 & 2 you could 'ruin' the story if you weren't thinking by making a stupid choice. In Fallout 3, there are no real repercussions for your actions. That and combat was god-awful in fallout 3.Wardemon50

Your kidding right ? atmosphere and world design are the first things Oblivion has over Morrowind, Morrowind was dark, dank and gray, with blocky buildings and character models and a very sloppy menu system. Oblivion's story blew away Morrowind's, and role playing doesn't get any better than Oblivion, not to mention it had better Level scaling than Morrowind. You Obviously didn't play as much Oblivion as you did Morrowind. Morrowind was far more glitchy, with saving issues, freeze up's, it was annoying to try and gain ground without having to constantly save or start gain by doing a reboot to the system only to start from where you were 2 hours ago. Sorry there is no comparison Oblivion blows Morrowind away.Slimmin360

Would have agreed with you, if you have not mentioned the atmosphere, world design and level scaling being better in Oblivion. And i see based on the bolded part, that the only issues you trully have with Morrowind are technical, which were fixed long ago.

I think you never played Morrowind. And if you did, you probably never played past a hour.

It's 'aight if you love Oblivion more. It's understandable.

But to say that the level scaling was better is down right wrong. People hated Oblivion, it has this bad reputation mainly because of the level scaling. Good thing mods fixed that.

[QUOTE="Slimmin360"] Your kidding right ? atmosphere and world design are the first things Oblivion has over Morrowind, Morrowind was dark, dank and gray, with blocky buildings and character models and a very sloppy menu system. Oblivion's story blew away Morrowind's, and role playing doesn't get any better than Oblivion, not to mention it had better Level scaling than Morrowind. You Obviously didn't play as much Oblivion as you did Morrowind. Morrowind was far more glitchy, with saving issues, freeze up's, it was annoying to try and gain ground without having to constantly save or start gain by doing a reboot to the system only to start from where you were 2 hours ago. Sorry there is no comparison Oblivion blows Morrowind away.Lucianu

Would have agreed with you, if you have not mentioned the atmosphere, world design and level scaling being better in Oblivion. And i see based on the bolded part, that the only issues you trully have with Morrowind are technical, which were fixed long ago.

I think you never played Morrowind. And if you did, you probably never played past a hour.

It's 'aight if you love Oblivion more. It's understandable.

But to say that the level scaling was better is down right wrong. People hated Oblivion, it has this bad reputation mainly because of the level scaling. Good thing mods fixed that.

People hated Morrowind because of its awful combat engine, good thing Oblivion fixed that.

tomarlyn

People hated it for being a RPG, when they wanted a action RPG.

The most common complaint was that character skill determined the ability of the player to successfuly hit someonething, not player skill. They wanted it to be more like a FPS/Action game, where physical contact creates a hit.

People hated Morrowind because of its awful combat engine, good thing Oblivion fixed that.

tomarlyn

I know. I hope you don't feel irritated just because i criticized Oblivion. Because personally, i hate both of them. Morrowind is dead, dull and boring. Oblivion is mildly better, but still has dead AI that destroys everything for me. I personally think that the Gothic series are incomprehensibly superiour.

The reason why, currently, i'm enjoying Morrowind, is because i modded it. It's script, NPCs, 3rd person animations, some vibrant visuals that look more appealing then that dead world.. Now i like it, it's immersive.

[QUOTE="jethrovegas"]

[QUOTE="Slimmin360"]reviews speak for themselves Slimmin360

Reviews speak for nothing save the reviewer's opinion.

Most gaming journalists are just glorified product reviewers; there's nary a legitimate critic among the lot of them. Their opinions are ill-informed and fleeting, which puts them at a disadvantage against many of those posting on this very board, though certainly not you, sir, for you seem content to rely on their opinions rather than your own, as if theirs were the word from on high. Sorry, doesn't cut it here.

New Vegas is a much better game than Fallout 3. I will argue this point with anyone, at any time, and probably win quite handily, seeing as how the facts are aligned quite nicely in my corner (a luxury I'm rarely afforded).

You've played over 12 hours of New Vegas, eh? Well, that's all well and good I guess, but I've played well over 100, split between both the PC and 360 versions, and I though I've encountered plenty of glitches (FO3 also had plenty, mind you) I've yet to encounter a game breaking one.

Your only argument here is a technical one, which at this point is dubious at best, considering how much enjoyment so many players have been able to get out of a supposedly broken game.

The overall game structure, quest design, writing, choice and consequence, and world design, are vastly and demonstrably superior to Fallout 3's offering. It makes FO3 look rather shallow by comparison, actually. The main quest alone demonstrates the level of depth and replayability on offer in New Vegas; the faction system is the best I've ever seen in game; the number of options available to you strictly within the context of the main quest is ****ing astounding, honestly. FO3 doesn't come close to stacking up.

Oh really, no consequences in Fallout 3, first of all you can screw nearly any quest up by killing someone in the quest, and if you blow up Megaton and decide to be evil that also ruins the game as far as getting certain quests or dealing with vendors. You absolutely pay for various consequences in Fallout 3....and as for the combat system, as far as i'm concerned the V.A.T.S. system is one of the best creations of combat ever made in a video game and to this day it never gets old blowing off a raiders or super mutants head into a slow motion bloody mess of teeth and eyeballs. As i said once before, if certain people truly loved the old Fallout series than they should be praising Bethesda for resurrecting it and making it better than it's ever been, otherwise it would have faded into the dark abyss of the many good but forgotten games rarely played by the gaming community. Now millions of people are chomping at the bit for each new Fallout release, and Bethesda is responsible for that, no one else, especially not Obsidian, they were quite content to let there precious game series fade off into the darkness. Bethesda saved it, and breathed life into a forgotten series that we all can now enjoy and look forward to future releases.Slimmin360

Side quests indeed were better, however due to the lack of a faction system who you related yourself to far and wide didn't matter. There were a few quests where you genuinely made a mark on the land, however there was never any moral grey or compelling choice. I want to nuke megaton (which in itself was an horribly stupid idea for a location), then sure I can be a bastard - the only reason I have for doing so is being a bastard. It's not because the people living there are scum or there was a detailed subplot behind Tempenny's motives. No. It's all very surface level. Just like so much in the game; the characters, the central narrative, the quests.

But hey the introduction was great up until 'dad decides to run away now', and the stronest aspects of the games narrative is the world design, which for most of the part is damn good.

That's a lovely opinion on vats, however the system had deep seeded faults, which still rear their head. Without AP combat was terrible, the invisible dice rolls were obvious and it was never effective. With AP Vats was overpowered, it very much was the win button. I like vats, though I don't think it is a perfect in between turn based and realtime.But if you think its the best then thats unreasonable enough attitude to not convince.

Otherwise your final words are very funny. Fallout is a staple of the RPG genre, it's legacy was huge. Black Isle did drive it into the ground, and Bethesda raised the IP, well that's fine. FO3 as a Fallout game, is anothe arugment entirely, however as a stand alone RPG FO3 had a huge array of faults; some of which rubbed off poorley on the IPs legacy. Was it a bad game? No. Should Bethesda be booed? No, the IP has been revived and is getting plenty of attention, that's hardly a bad thing, and if there were any issues with the actual game itself, than Obsidion sure as hell did a good job fixing that with their title - which was also successful financially.

A game with such legacy and impact will never fade into the darkness, by your logic revered films, art and pieces of media wouldn't be recognised to this day if they weren't re imagined for contemporary audiences. Yes because we need shopping centres decorated with reliefs and a new Twin Peaks for the 21st century.

The only thing Oblivion had over Morrowind was combat was a bit better. that is all.

Morrowind + tribunal+bloodmoon + MGE + ( insert any texture pack mod here ) + enbseries and it looks just as good as Oblivion too.

you could spend easily 300 hours with morrowind and there would still have things left to do.

And most importantly, the creatures are NOT leveling with you, unlike in Oblivion

[QUOTE="Remmib"]Oblivion? Let down of the century. The game was a joke compared to it's predecessor. Fallout 3? So very meh.Mozelleple112

Then you never played Morrowind. :|

While I love Oblivion, the game didn't really provoke me in terms of deep, philosophical thoughts. Most of the story elements were just a bit too straightforward and superficial to be interesting. Sadly, video games generally haven't reached a level where they actually challenge the player intellectually.

There are a few exceptions to this rule, though. Cryostasis and Metro 2033 really made me think. The former with its complex, philosophical story, and the latter with its inituitive, subtle morality system. Eastern European developers in general seem to be ahead of everyone when it comes to decision-making and depth of story. The Witcher and The Void confirm this as well.

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]

People hated Morrowind because of its awful combat engine, good thing Oblivion fixed that.

AnnoyedDragon

People hated it for being a RPG, when they wanted a action RPG.

The most common complaint was that character skill determined the ability of the player to successfuly hit someonething, not player skill. They wanted it to be more like a FPS/Action game, where physical contact creates a hit.

This exactly. The first person view created an immersion and then when the combat started you slash away with your sword and nothing happens, the enemy evaded. Okay the game is open ended maybe this is to high level, I go to another place and the same thing out of like 10 slashes like 4 miss. Okay maybe I have to suck it up and level up a bit, I level up while sucking up evasions over evasions then I realize after a while that I have leveled a few levels and that the hit to evade ratio is still ridiculous. I stopped playing there. Tried two more separate times finish the game and I still couldn't handle it. The overused evasions ruined the combat for many. Even the inferior Oblivion is more playable and addictive to many of us because of this.

Meh.. Fallout3 is not nearly as good as Fallout New Vegas or Fallout1/2.

Oblivion was decent but not nearly as good as Daggerfall or Morrowind in the elderscrolls series.

I would give Fallout3 a 7/10 and New Vegas a 9.5/10 personally, its the way better game in every aspect except radio stations.

lol @ people arguing about 4 of the best games out there. Do you guys also argue over toiletries? Because, I must say.. I'm a Angel Soft man myself.

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"][QUOTE="Remmib"]Oblivion? Let down of the century. The game was a joke compared to it's predecessor. Fallout 3? So very meh.DreamCryotank

Then you never played Morrowind. :|

i've played morrowind extensively and still honestly prefer oblivion. mind blowing **** huh?

now to say that oblivion is better than morrowind in every way is really pushing it, especially when it's quite clear that oblivion's main storyline pales in comparison to morrowind.