Yep, Nintendo is in trouble

I partially agree. Nintendo does seem to be focusing more on family oriented games. While they still have some good games like Super Mario Galaxy and NSMBW, it isnt enough to attract a big amount of "core gamers" to buy their console. Even when we know Nintendo is not in financial problems, who knows for how long is the casual crowd going to follow them considering that MS and Sony are soon releasing their motion controllers.ForsakenWicked

Just because Sony and Microsoft are releasing motion-control doesn't mean they are automatically going for the casual audience. Instead, they could be trying to attract a few Wii owners who enjoy the motion controls but prefer the genres dominating the HD twins. That may be a fine line, but I dont forsee Sony and Microsoft releasing a wealth of motion based party games, sports games, etc.

Nintendo is the only one with a long term plan here. The blue ocean strategy. They surmised quickly that a static market cannot remain static forever. The X360/PS3 is not adding to the gaming market at all, they focus on one market they hope will always exist, but it won't. Thats Econ 101, if you're not expanding your market it will contract. Nintendo realized this, and by doing so they have essentially saved the video market again. Given though, any crisis that Nintendo may have averted would've been a decade or so off, but now is when you make these long term plans. The question is will the other two realize that they have a limited future in the market unless they expand the market like Nintendo is.

It's still nothing compared to the awesomo power of teh pc.

Seriously though, Wii has some fun games, it's selling ridiculous amounts. Now, of course it has probably the weakest library(not including older games) because it's mainly consisting of ports. WHILE there IS good 1st party games, there is a serious lack of decent third party products that go above and beyond or push the genre forward in any way.(Except for NMH and madworld, which are GREAT games) The 360 is mainly a stripped down pc but it has great multiplatform games(like mass effect and the soon to be mass effect 2), and the ps3 probably has the best exclusives out of all the systems. They all have strengths and weaknesses.

The fact that I am primarily a western rpg gamer, and a pc user, and have probably played more nintendo games than most people here, I can safely say that I still would get more enjoyment out of a pc/ps3 combo. I just happen to own a pc and 360,:(. I had a wii sitting around for a while, the first party games were great. But there is a ton of really crappy games on that system.(that still sell like hotcakes, I mean, look at the top five in music, it reflects our generations retarded notion of artistic integrity.)

Back when people were making fun of the 90s, did you ever think that now, the 90s are a golden era compared to the cesspool that is the 00s and probably the 10s?

When nintendo can release planescape torment, than I'll talk. But until then, the system doesn't cater to someone like me. I'm not saying I'm a hardcore gamer, just an old gamer.(the notion of a hardcore gamer is laughable, since most fps are probably the most casual games that have come out in comparison to pc shooters of old, other than tf2 and some exceptions)

[QUOTE="curono"]Yeah... selling like crazy... OMG I AM LAST PLACE WHAT IS I GONNA DO NOW!!! In a more serious tone, nintendo does need to get working, they are getting a lazy as game developers. They do have great games, but every hit goes once a year, flooded with tons of garbageware (which sells like crazy) Wii fit: bad "game", generic look, but sells great Rehashes: Come on, Pikmin with wiimote and some games re-hashed?? That is insulting New Super Mario Bros. Yes, it is fun, GREAT REPLAY VALUE, but was so lazy, could have had more things and most analysts see that it looked just slightly better than the GB version. Point is, they do bring the cash. They are in first place. They DELIVER epic games, but for every epic, Nintendo makes dozens of garbage/lazy/rehash games....ogvampire

"Wii fit: bad "game", generic look, but sells great"

interesting... so now a game that averages 80 on MC is considered 'bad'? im sure what you really meant was: 'its bad cause it doesnt appeal to me'

"Rehashes: Come on, Pikmin with wiimote and some games re-hashed?"

so releasing god of war collection is not a rehash, but releasing GC games wiimote support costing $30 is a 'rehash'?the magical logic of SW never ceases to amazeme

"but for every epic, Nintendo makes dozens of garbage/lazy/rehash games..."

youre confusing 3rd party devs with nintendo....

Nuff said.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="curono"]Yeah... selling like crazy... OMG I AM LAST PLACE WHAT IS I GONNA DO NOW!!! In a more serious tone, nintendo does need to get working, they are getting a lazy as game developers. They do have great games, but every hit goes once a year, flooded with tons of garbageware (which sells like crazy) Wii fit: bad "game", generic look, but sells great Rehashes: Come on, Pikmin with wiimote and some games re-hashed?? That is insulting New Super Mario Bros. Yes, it is fun, GREAT REPLAY VALUE, but was so lazy, could have had more things and most analysts see that it looked just slightly better than the GB version. Point is, they do bring the cash. They are in first place. They DELIVER epic games, but for every epic, Nintendo makes dozens of garbage/lazy/rehash games....curono

"Wii fit: bad "game", generic look, but sells great"

interesting... so now a game that averages 80 on MC is considered 'bad'? im sure what you really meant was: 'its bad cause it doesnt appeal to me'

"Rehashes: Come on, Pikmin with wiimote and some games re-hashed?"

so releasing god of war collection is not a rehash, but releasing GC games wiimote support costing $30 is a 'rehash'?the magical logic of SW never ceases to amazeme

"but for every epic, Nintendo makes dozens of garbage/lazy/rehash games..."

youre confusing 3rd party devs with nintendo....

1Going back to Wii fit. It had great ideas, but the gray pixelated tutor could have been made better. Yes, it is supposed to look retro, but with so much space, you kinda need a little more. Would you say that Wii fit was made with all effort possible? At least rise framerate, or sharpen graphs...

is every single game made with every effort possible? the answer is no

2Yes GOW pack is a rehash, but at least you know that the third game is on, and coming soon, those packs are remade only to increase GOW3 hype. Have you any REAL news about Pikmin or any other rehashed GC games (metroid doesnt count, for it is made by a 3rd party). Exactly my point.

you think the purpose of rehashing gow is to increase gow3 hype? youre just full of speculation arent you? so remaking games is just to hype future games... not to play older games in a new way... right? im sorry, but you are sadly mistaken

3. About lazy games, how about mario party billion? or their best selling game "Wii play"? The only reason it hit so hard was the extra wiimote. Those games, sold even for 5 bucks the whole set would have been their worst seller. Mario kart's best idea was to give a steering wheel. You could do that yourself!! (Agreed that the Online is superb, but it again, RECYCLED MANY MANY ROADS and items...)

ok, so i cant use metroid as an example for my argument on 'new play control' games because its from a 3rd party, yet you can use mario party as an example for your argument even though its from a 3rd party as well

how convenient that you make these ridiculous 'rules' so that they fit your argument.... very sad indeed

4.I loved having punch out!! again with the core gameplay, but less than 5 newcomers?? Is that all they could give?

ok... thats fine if you think that. last time i checked punch out is an 86 at MC.... so yeah, what they gave is pretty damn good.

5. What about jokes like "link's crossbow training".. You gotta have nerve to say that the game did deliver to the Zelda franchise. The game was made only to sell the peripheral.

it didnt. it a zelda game but its not the main franchise... its a spinoff. nintendo does alot of those... some are hits, some are misses. when you make as many games as nintendo does, you would be a fool to think that every single one would be a winner

6. I cant see anythig better than Animal crossing, to prove my point. It is a rehash, not many modifications, near midi music, and bringing nothing new. But the game was released because people like you have very low standards when it comes to nintendo.

lol! awe, looks like somebody's feelings have been hurt and been reduced to mocking other people. im sure there is a shoulder out there that you can cry on

Nintendo hit casual gold and there success is father of Natal and Arc (or what ever they call it), so i think sitiuation is more inverted ^^'

[QUOTE="Tauu"]

Not even their first party dev teams could do anything with it besides little party games,.

OreoMilkshake

[QUOTE="OreoMilkshake"][QUOTE="Tauu"]

Not even their first party dev teams could do anything with it besides little party games,.

awssk8er716

It's a great idea, but the execution has been pretty sloppy. IMHO, until it significantly changes the way we all play games, it's a gimmick.

[QUOTE="awssk8er716"]

[QUOTE="OreoMilkshake"]Stopped reading there.DarkLink77

It's a great idea, but the execution has been pretty sloppy. IMHO, until it significantly changes the way we all play games, it's a gimmick.

hm... your logic implies that things such as rumble and HD are gimmicks as well...

i can agree partly with the games part i mean where r they? wheres earthbound , wheres a donkey kong game???? or kid icrus i mean come on nintendo...ur failing right now..

i can agree partly with the games part i mean where r they? wheres earthbound , wheres a donkey kong game???? or kid icrus i mean come on nintendo...ur failing right now..

Zain-Midori

They fail because they aren't releasing your favorites? They don't cater to you.

"Thanks for buying a Wii, but you need to buy our new console now. You didn't get $250 worth of fun from your Wii? We're sorry about that, but yeah buy our new console k thx."Tauu

Haha, pretty much. I had fun with RE4 Wii and thought the sky was the limit. You know how things went from there. But I'll tell you the same thing I tell everyone complaining about the Wii: You're not in Nintendo's targeted demographic any more. They don't care if your tastes change as you get older, they're still targeting kids. That's where their Big Money is and that's where Nintendo's focus shall remain. Get a PS3, there's finally enough good games on it or coming out to justify the price...

[QUOTE="OreoMilkshake"][QUOTE="Tauu"]

Not even their first party dev teams could do anything with it besides little party games,.

surrealnumber5

I'm surprised I even entered the thread. This is one of the most uneducated posts I've seen in quite a while.

"Wahh! Im bitter at Nintendo because I dont know what Im talking about!"

They (Nintendo) don't cater to you.

jimkabrhel

Exactly. Nintendo does what Nintendo wants to. That's the biggest problem with the opening post of this thread is that TC claimed Nintendo doesn't have a plan - they do. TC just ain't a part of it any more...

1) HD wasn't standard nor ever really thought of at the time of Launch.

2) Nintendo's First party games are the NUMBER ONE REASON for you to get a Nintendo Console.

3) Nintendo doesn't believe in Upgrading their console for no reason. (if they did then we would have seen an HD version of the Wii in 2008.)

I agree.

But we're all aware of the fact that Nintendo is the worst of the bunch.

Propaganda_

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

[QUOTE="awssk8er716"]I actually didn't even get that far. After I read the motion control gimmick nonsense, I stopped.

ogvampire

It's a great idea, but the execution has been pretty sloppy. IMHO, until it significantly changes the way we all play games, it's a gimmick.

hm... your logic implies that things such as rumble and HD are gimmicks as well...

Rumble didn't significantly change anything, it's true. I'd consider it gimmicky. And HD is just natural image progression, so I don't think it is. But motion controls haven't changed the way we play games, like Nintendo said they would. Most times, it's poorly implemented, and when it isn't, it adds little to the game. Don't get me wrong, I love Nintendo, and I'd be foolish to say they don't know what they're doing. But, until motion controls improve, or devs make games that bring them to their true potential, it is a gimmick. Again, all in my humble opinion.

A new beefed up Wii with backward compatibility would be too little too late if they really want to be on the same playing field as the 360 and PS3. With the hardcore gamer base already established on the 360 and PS3 combined with continued weak third party support for Nintendo consoles, Nintendo seems to have no option but to continue trying to appeal to kids and their moms, sadly. So they better not throw their installed base of 54 million people under the bus by releasing a more powerful Wii. This would be their indirect message to all those Wii owners:

Tauu

You really don't know how this industry works do you? Brand name sells. Sony failed this generation because of being late to the party and a ridiculous launch price. If Sony released on a competitive level to the 360 at the time, the brand name would have sold systems at least on par with the Wii. Nintendo is always releasing hardware at Market friendly prices. The Wii is currently the hottest entertainment based product in existence. Brand name alone will sell a technologically superior Wii on its own. When people start catching wind that its comparable to 360/ps3 at similar to if not cheaper prices, it will SELL EVEN MORE. People seem to forget that the technology powering the 360 and PS3 is relatively cheap now. Nintendo can release a system (that is focused on the gamer, as opposed to the tech nerd) technologically more advanced than both systems for cheaper than the PS3 and STILL turn profit.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

It's a great idea, but the execution has been pretty sloppy. IMHO, until it significantly changes the way we all play games, it's a gimmick.

DarkLink77

hm... your logic implies that things such as rumble and HD are gimmicks as well...

Rumble didn't significantly change anything, it's true. I'd consider it gimmicky. And HD is just natural image progression, so I don't think it is. But motion controls haven't changed the way we play games, like Nintendo said they would. Most times, it's poorly implemented, and when it isn't, it adds little to the game. Don't get me wrong, I love Nintendo, and I'd be foolish to say they don't know what they're doing. But, until motion controls improve, or devs make games that bring them to their true potential, it is a gimmick. Again, all in my humble opinion.

i agree, but i dont think the change has to be 'significant' for it to not be a gimmick

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

hm... your logic implies that things such as rumble and HD are gimmicks as well...

ogvampire

Rumble didn't significantly change anything, it's true. I'd consider it gimmicky. And HD is just natural image progression, so I don't think it is. But motion controls haven't changed the way we play games, like Nintendo said they would. Most times, it's poorly implemented, and when it isn't, it adds little to the game. Don't get me wrong, I love Nintendo, and I'd be foolish to say they don't know what they're doing. But, until motion controls improve, or devs make games that bring them to their true potential, it is a gimmick. Again, all in my humble opinion.

i agree, but i dont think the change has to be 'significant' for it to not be a gimmick

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Rumble didn't significantly change anything, it's true. I'd consider it gimmicky. And HD is just natural image progression, so I don't think it is. But motion controls haven't changed the way we play games, like Nintendo said they would. Most times, it's poorly implemented, and when it isn't, it adds little to the game. Don't get me wrong, I love Nintendo, and I'd be foolish to say they don't know what they're doing. But, until motion controls improve, or devs make games that bring them to their true potential, it is a gimmick. Again, all in my humble opinion.

DarkLink77

i agree, but i dont think the change has to be 'significant' for it to not be a gimmick

fair enough :)

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

It's a great idea, but the execution has been pretty sloppy. IMHO, until it significantly changes the way we all play games, it's a gimmick.

DarkLink77

hm... your logic implies that things such as rumble and HD are gimmicks as well...

Rumble didn't significantly change anything, it's true. I'd consider it gimmicky. And HD is just natural image progression, so I don't think it is. But motion controls haven't changed the way we play games, like Nintendo said they would. Most times, it's poorly implemented, and when it isn't, it adds little to the game. Don't get me wrong, I love Nintendo, and I'd be foolish to say they don't know what they're doing. But, until motion controls improve, or devs make games that bring them to their true potential, it is a gimmick. Again, all in my humble opinion.

I never got the impression Nintendo said the motion controls would replace standard controllers, but they would add another level of depth in what we could do. If Nintendo intended Motion Controllers to replace the standard controller they would not have released the Classic Controller and Classic Controller Pro, and they would not allow GCN controllers to control some games. They realize not all game would benefit from it, so we have the option. Options are good.

the wii is trash. it is the first nintendo system i've owned (i got it as a gift, thank god i didnt waste my own money on it) since the SNES and it will most definitely be the last. the junk they release for the wii is ridiculous

With they're trouble, who needs success. :P

Though I would rather better console from them next gen.

Nintendo just sold more copies of a 2.5d platformer on one "mediocre" system than 3 systems combined. totalling 10.5 million individual sales.

Yep, Nintendo is in big trouble, they sure better watch what they do next!

I agree.

But we're all aware of the fact that Nintendo is the worst of the bunch.

Propaganda_

wat?

no doubt, nintendo lost me with the gamecube so they were going to have a hard time reeling me in with a modded one with motion gimmick.

How are nintendo in trouble? those "cheap party games" sell millions more then any other game on the PS3/360.

zarshack

nintendo is in trouble. not this gen but the next. Their selling point is the wiimote and the competition will have their own versions of it plus upgraded hardware. The gamecube proved that on a level playing field, Nintendo is not successful. It would seem that they have burned a lot of bridges, and they don't have the stomach to participate in a spending warGunSmith1_basic

For every bridge they've burned, they've made quite a few more.

wiimote is not a gimmick, but your sony glowsticks and 360 natal are and will die that is all i am going to say, since your whole anti-nintendo fanboyismadman66

You really don't know how this industry works do you? Brand name sells. Sony failed this generation because of being late to the party and a ridiculous launch price. If Sony released on a competitive level to the 360 at the time, the brand name would have sold systems at least on par with the Wii. Nintendo is always releasing hardware at Market friendly prices. The Wii is currently the hottest entertainment based product in existence. Brand name alone will sell a technologically superior Wii on its own. When people start catching wind that its comparable to 360/ps3 at similar to if not cheaper prices, it will SELL EVEN MORE. People seem to forget that the technology powering the 360 and PS3 is relatively cheap now. Nintendo can release a system (that is focused on the gamer, as opposed to the tech nerd) technologically more advanced than both systems for cheaper than the PS3 and STILL turn profit.

gamer620

Brand name sells - to a point. Would the PS3 have sold a lot more if it was $300 instead of $600? Hell yes. Wii numbers? What are you smoking? People - apart from a few geeks, of course - don't buy consoles for the hardware. They buy consoles for the software. Cheaper price or no, the PS3 just didn't have Wii Sports. Similarily, a Wii 2 would fail. People feel the Wii has untapped potential, and won't buy the console's successor if it's killed now. Cramming an upscaler into the Wii wouldn't make the slightest difference in sales. People will buy it if they were going to buy a Wii anyway, and next to no current users would upgrade. It's best to simply let the Wii live it's life, and make a new console when the Wii just ceases to be enough.

nintendo is in trouble. not this gen but the next. Their selling point is the wiimote and the competition will have their own versions of it plus upgraded hardware. The gamecube proved that on a level playing field, Nintendo is not successful. It would seem that they have burned a lot of bridges, and they don't have the stomach to participate in a spending warGunSmith1_basic

hm... the SNES proved otherwise. the GC situation was more complicated than just nintendo playing on the same level

I agree with this, but unfortunately it looks like everyone is still buying that weak, pathetic console. When it came out I wanted it so bad, and 2 hours after I unboxed it I never played it again.

I agree with this, but unfortunately it looks like everyone is still buying that weak, pathetic console. When it came out I wanted it so bad, and 2 hours after I unboxed it I never played it again.

EgoAttacker

Why is this thread resurrected from the dead? Before someone resurrected it a few days ago, the last thread was posted on November 1, 2009 -- more than two months ago!

Of course Nintendo is in trouble! They're running out of room to store all that money.

when are people going to lean that video games are a buisness simple as that so Nintendo makes alot of money and will continue to do so. They always turn a profit and have been doing so for longer than anyone else in the biz. So no they are not in trouble. Get over it.

i feel terrible for nintendo. what will they ever do without the Gamespot forum market! a hard core gamer buying a game is worth 10 times the sales of a casual gamer.

the wii probably doesn't appeal to a lot of ppl on this forum (certainly doesn't to me)... but this forum isnt exactly a realistic sample of the world lol. Sony and Microsoft simply havnt been able to do what the Wii did, attract huge numbers of new people to games. at least not in the numbers the Wii did.