Yes haters, Metal Gear Solid 4 is the best game ever made

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#1 Mozelleple112
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http://ps3.ign.com/articles/881/881472p1.html

"Is it possible to give a game an 11? If so, this would be the game that would merit that score. Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots is a title that exceeds all of the hype that was attached to the title. Regardless of whether you've seen every trailer and screenshot, read every preview and heard every interview, you won't get a full sense of how phenomenal this title is unless you sit down and experience it for yourself.

Legends die hard and deserve a heroic story that lives on when they are gone. Metal Gear Solid 4 is such an ending for the legendary warrior Solid Snake. Not only does it sum up the full franchise of Metal Gear, its depth and its complexity, coupled with its technical prowess, make it one of the best games of the year and, indeed, one of the best games ever made. Get some well earned rest, Snake. You've earned it. We salute you."

http://www.gamespot.com/metal-gear-solid-4-guns-of-the-patriots/platform/ps3?tag=result;title;0

"Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots is the most technically stunning video game ever made. It's also a fine example of storytelling prowess within its medium, combining gameplay and narrative so slickly and beautifully that it's impossible to extricate one from the other. It's likely you will emerge awestruck from your first play-through, wishing the experience would continue yet nonetheless satisfied with its conclusion. It's difficult not to sound hyperbolic when discussing MGS4 because every part of its design seemingly fulfills its vision, without compromise. There is no halfway."

All the big critics think MGS4 is the best game ever made:

http://gamer.blorge.com/2008/06/21/metal-gear-solid-4-big-three-says-best-game-ever-made-on-all-systems-ps3-xbox-360-and-wii/

Reviewers have saidMetal Gear Solid4: Guns of the Patriots is one of the bestvideo gamesever made, and that includes this-gen systems such as PS3 and Xbox 360 all the way back to NES.

To review such a game is simply impossible. Not a single person lives or will ever live that is worthy of playing, experiencing Metal Gear Solid 4, let alone review it and any attempt to do so is a falsum and flawed by nature. And yet, by some miracle somehow I found myself happening upon the privilege of playing it, it was a strange and wonderful experience. Like shagging a super model, all the while you cannot shake the feeling of shame and guilt, the feeling that this should not be happening, that you are not worthy, that she is too good for you, but damn it if you are not going to enjoy it for as long it is going to last anyway...

With that being said, yes MGS4 is factually the best game ever made, whether you like it or not.

Also; hatred originating from disreputable gentleman shall continually persist..

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#2 Mozelleple112
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/Thread

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#3 Giancar
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Best ever? No And why is this thread needed? :|
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can you even imagine how much better it would have been had it not been held back by being on ps3 and was a multiplat?

man, your head would have exploded.

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#5 Demonjoe93
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lol, it's not even the best in its series. MGS3: Substance blows it out of the water easily.

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#6 soulitane
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Since I'm not like you and happen to be able to form my own opinions rather than listen to other's opinions, I disagree.
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#7 adamosmaki
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So because i dont like that much MGS4 hence i dont think is the best game EVAR (far from it imo besides there is no "best game ever" )and i like other games more means i'm a hater ?
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#8 timmy00
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It's sure is the worst movie ever made.

oh hohoho I'm so original. :l

I disagree with you TC. I enjoyed it but it's not the best for me and I don't care what IGN says.

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#9 mems_1224
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how can the worst game in the series be the best game ever made?? doesnt make sense
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#10 aroxx_ab
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How can a game that i not like to play the most be the best game ever made?

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#11 PatchMaster
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MGS3 > MGS4

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#12 speedfog
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No its not.

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#13 WTA2k5
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It's probably in my top 10.

Side note, I don't think I've ever seen some /Thread their own thread before.

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#14 cainetao11
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[QUOTE="Giancar"]Best ever? No And why is this thread needed? :|

agreed. Does TC just want to argue? Convince himself? Its a great game, buy there is no such thing as "best ever" when it comes to subjective entertainment because everyone has different tastes. I love mgs, but it's not my favorite game.
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#15 GTSaiyanjin2
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This and MGS2 are my favorite..... I need to get the HD collection already :x

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#16 MonsieurX
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Nope.
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#17 madsnakehhh
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Lol, is not even the best MGS game nor the best PS3 exclusive, let alone best game ever.

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#18 donalbane
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I'd say it's the best stealth game ever. Best GAME ever... as in all games... probably not. (Top 50, maybe.)
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#19 Weenski
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I wanted to get it based on review scores and what people say about it but it looks like one big cut scene to me.
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http://ps3.ign.com/articles/881/881472p1.html

"Is it possible to give a game an 11? If so, this would be the game that would merit that score. Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots is a title that exceeds all of the hype that was attached to the title. Regardless of whether you've seen every trailer and screenshot, read every preview and heard every interview, you won't get a full sense of how phenomenal this title is unless you sit down and experience it for yourself.

Legends die hard and deserve a heroic story that lives on when they are gone. Metal Gear Solid 4 is such an ending for the legendary warrior Solid Snake. Not only does it sum up the full franchise of Metal Gear, its depth and its complexity, coupled with its technical prowess, make it one of the best games of the year and, indeed, one of the best games ever made. Get some well earned rest, Snake. You've earned it. We salute you."

http://www.gamespot.com/metal-gear-solid-4-guns-of-the-patriots/platform/ps3?tag=result;title;0

"Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots is the most technically stunning video game ever made. It's also a fine example of storytelling prowess within its medium, combining gameplay and narrative so slickly and beautifully that it's impossible to extricate one from the other. It's likely you will emerge awestruck from your first play-through, wishing the experience would continue yet nonetheless satisfied with its conclusion. It's difficult not to sound hyperbolic when discussing MGS4 because every part of its design seemingly fulfills its vision, without compromise. There is no halfway."

All the big critics think MGS4 is the best game ever made:

http://gamer.blorge.com/2008/06/21/metal-gear-solid-4-big-three-says-best-game-ever-made-on-all-systems-ps3-xbox-360-and-wii/

Reviewers have saidMetal Gear Solid4: Guns of the Patriots is one of the bestvideo gamesever made, and that includes this-gen systems such as PS3 and Xbox 360 all the way back to NES.

To review such a game is simply impossible. Not a single person lives or will ever live that is worthy of playing, experiencing Metal Gear Solid 4, let alone review it and any attempt to do so is a falsum and flawed by nature. And yet, by some miracle somehow I found myself happening upon the privilege of playing it, it was a strange and wonderful experience. Like shagging a super model, all the while you cannot shake the feeling of shame and guilt, the feeling that this should not be happening, that you are not worthy, that she is too good for you, but damn it if you are not going to enjoy it for as long it is going to last anyway...

With that being said, yes MGS4 is factually the best game ever made, whether you like it or not.

Also; hatred originating from disreputable gentleman shall continually persist..

Mozelleple112

Lol. :lol:

Bro. Sorry to be a dickhead, but go outside more. It's just a game fella.

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There you are again, unable to form and support your own opinions. I can find ridicululous gushing reviews for plenty of games, but it doesnt mean sh*t.

Anyways, the other thread was locked so I'll just copy/pasta what I said and see what you have to say.

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As for the single player how does it hit every note?

  • By telling a horribly written, horribly paced story that contradicts prior events in the series?
  • By ruining characters that were well established throughout the series and ignoring their prior developments?
  • By retconing major points in the series?
  • By caving in the universe and trying to connect dots were they dont meet?[spoiler] Like boiling down the Patriots to being the MGS3 support team? By acting as if Zero had the same love for The Boss as Big Boss did even though there was never any prior development or reasoning for that to be true? By saying that Paramedic is Dr. Clarke even though we knew that Dr. Clarke was a man and that Paramedic stood against all the types of atrocities that Clarke committed? There was NO development to even lead to such a conclusion that Paramedic transforms from a kind female to an insanely immoral man lol. Then Sigint is the Darpa Chief Yeah, the age, personality and voice surely line up, right? Oh and then Madnar has to get random mention out of nowhere for no reason as well. Horrible. Oh and lets bring in Big Boss for no reason and completely diminish his role both in life and in death from the previous games. [/spoiler]
  • How bout them Nanomachines, huh? They fix EVERYTHING! Lets forget that Liquid had two heartbeats in MGS2 and knew things that Ocelot couldn't. No, lets just chalk it up to Nanotherapy. And how bout that Vamp? So nanos made him heal so fast that he can recover from a bullet to the head? ok. How did nanos explain the fact that he could float around in low buoyancy liquids? Control people by their shadows? Read body movements well enough to dodge bullets? Run on water and up the sides of Big Shell? Oh, nanos, ok. Oh and here's one out of left field! Hey guys Naomi has Cancer! Lets see her die instantly after taking the injection while Otacon cries to her through an LCD screen side mounted on a robot. YES!
  • How about the mountains of pointless sh*t? For example. Why does Raiden, who is strong enough to hold up Outer Haven just minutes later, decide to chop off his arm to get out from under some rubble? And then why does he let himself get crushed under Outer Haven instead of just grabbing Snake and getting the **** out of there? The game is riddled with pointless nonsense like that.
  • How about that crappy TPS gameplay? No need for stealth tactics, just shoot everything you see and hit up Debin on his pager when you need more guns, nades, rockets, silencers, etc.. Oh you want to play it stealth you say? Cool. Just crawl around in your Octocam from point a to point b. DONE. Thats what happens when level design is an afterthought.
  • Oh and those levelsHey guys here is Shadow Moses! Hope you like nostalgia because the level is devoid of any soldiers, or meaningful design. Feel free to run straight through throwing down the truckload of Chaffs you came across. Oh and have fun in Outer Haven! We know its the last stage of "the final" MGS, but we took it upon ourselves to make sure it is 1000x more primitive in design than the Tanker from MGS2! Oh and hope you like Europe, because on every replay you will have to do the same damn thing even though you know exactly were to go. Awesome!
  • How bout that enemy AI that doesnt even match up to MGS2 and 3?
  • How about those bosses that basically have no involvement in the story and just boil down to generic shooter bosses in terms of gameplay?
  • Where are all my codecs and easter eggs? What happened to the incredible amounts of detail and thought that went into fleshing out the world you play in?

Worst part is I havent even scratched the surface. I wont even bother breaking down the horribly cheesy, vomit inducing moments in detail. You know what they are. Johny + Merryl. Snake + Raiden. lol

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#23 Jolt_counter119
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There's no such thing as a best game ever made. And I don't like MGS4, it's a very boring game with way too many cut scenes with a plot that I couldn't care less about.

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#24 cain006
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I'd say it's the best stealth game ever. Best GAME ever... as in all games... probably not. (Top 50, maybe.)donalbane
Thief?...

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#25 DraugenCP
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Because professional opinions = fact amirite?

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#26 KevinButlerVP
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agreed, it trashes anything in the 360's library
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#27 Socijalisticka
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I'd say it's the best stealth game ever. Best GAME ever... as in all games... probably not. (Top 50, maybe.)donalbane

MGS4 is geared as a TPS, and a mediocre one at that. I'm curious as to whether you've even played a proper stealth game..

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agreed, it trashes anything in the 360's libraryKevinButlerVP

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#29 mmmwksil
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:lol:

No way.

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#30 Wiimotefan
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Its not the best MGS.TheGuardian03

He'll claim it to be the best MGS due to sales and scores. That is until you show him MGS2 sales and scores at metacritic. Then He'll only accept GS scores and claim that the PS2 install base and multiplat release is why it sold so well. Until you let you him know that MGS2 almost hit 7 mil when it was still a PS2 exclusive with an install base of less than 20 mil. Then he just gives up.

Pretty amusing tbh.

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#31 Miroku32
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can you even imagine how much better it would have been had it not been held back by being on ps3 and was a multiplat?

man, your head would have exploded.

Riverwolf007
But...but... teh Cell... By the way, how come a movie is the best game ever made?
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#32 silversix_
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Its not even the best MGS lol forget about the best game ever. Every time i think of MGS4, this annoyance come to my mind

This creature has ruined the game for me.

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#33 Wiimotefan
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[QUOTE="donalbane"]I'd say it's the best stealth game ever. Best GAME ever... as in all games... probably not. (Top 50, maybe.)Socijalisticka

MGS4 is geared as a TPS, and a mediocre one at that. I'm curious as to whether you've even played a proper stealth game..

It is funny. MGS and MGS2 were the only ones truly geared towards stealth gameplay. MGS3 can be a very enjoyable stealth game, but isnt cemented in it like the previous 2. MGS4 is just as you said (more detailed description on why in my rant above).

When it comes to pure stealth MGS is not at the top of the genre at all.

Its ok though, MGS games are fun stealth/action titles with a sandbox type of design. They give the player freedom and admittedly sometimes its a bit much and can easily break any difficulty the games would have. If you want a stealth challenge from MGS you have to set your own restrictions.

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I'd say it's the best stealth game ever. Best GAME ever... as in all games... probably not. (Top 50, maybe.)donalbane
lol, there was stealth?

i dropped almost everyone that got in my way with that one hit tranq gun.

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#35 turtlethetaffer
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I'm sure it's a good game, but I doubt all tiem best. But I have yet to play it so I can't really say.

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#36 organic_machine
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As for the single player ... Snake + Raiden. lol

Wiimotefan

Totally agreed. I always loved the gritty realism mixed with the insane surrealism and the supernatural lunacy that has been prevalent in the MGS games. But when MGS4 tries to explain it all away scientifically, it comes off as terribly contrived and silly. MGS 4 really did ruin the series.

Plus, Kojima no longer makes games for the games. He makes games for the fans. Ever since the reaction to MGS 2 (The last "real" MGS game IMO), Kojima has been giving the fans what they want. Don't want to play as Raiden? Sure, you can play as Snake! Think Snake is still more "cool" than Raiden? Well let's make Snake old and useless and let's make Raiden "badass" (or at least how Kojima THINKS Americans would define it).

The gameplay was great, until you realized stealth was no longer neccesarry, and as you said you just buy guns from Drebin.

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#37 Wiimotefan
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[QUOTE="donalbane"]I'd say it's the best stealth game ever. Best GAME ever... as in all games... probably not. (Top 50, maybe.)Riverwolf007

lol, there was stealth?

i dropped almost everyone that got in my way with that one hit tranq gun.

Of course! Crawl from point a to point b. If your camo rating drops wait 2 seconds to autoblend. Works for 4 out of 5 chapters. In shadow Moses just throw down chaffs and walk through the level.

Stealth at its finest!

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#38 Wiimotefan
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[QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

As for the single player ... Snake + Raiden. lol

organic_machine

Totally agreed. I always loved the gritty realism mixed with the insane surrealism and the supernatural lunacy that has been prevalent in the MGS games. But when MGS4 tries to explain it all away scientifically, it comes off as terribly contrived and silly. MGS 4 really did ruin the series.

Plus, Kojima no longer makes games for the games. He makes games for the fans. Ever since the reaction to MGS 2 (The last "real" MGS game IMO), Kojima has been giving the fans what they want. Don't want to play as Raiden? Sure, you can play as Snake! Think Snake is still more "cool" than Raiden? Well let's make Snake old and useless and let's make Raiden "badass" (or at least how Kojima THINKS Americans would define it).

The gameplay was great, until you realized stealth was no longer neccesarry, and as you said you just buy guns from Drebin.

Thank you! Glad I'm not alone here in reality.

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[QUOTE="donalbane"]I'd say it's the best stealth game ever. Best GAME ever... as in all games... probably not. (Top 50, maybe.)cain006

Thief?...

Zelda SS got better stealth :lol:

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#40 Ryder_49
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MGS3 > MGS4

After my experience with the Metal Gear Solid HD Collection anyway...

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#41 Bikouchu35
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How did I know is going to be a Mozellpelle thread, I must be a prophet of some sort.

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#42 turtlethetaffer
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[QUOTE="cain006"]

[QUOTE="donalbane"]I'd say it's the best stealth game ever. Best GAME ever... as in all games... probably not. (Top 50, maybe.)aroxx_ab

Thief?...

Zelda SS got better stealth :lol:

No it didn't. Play the original Thief the dark Project. (This is coming from a sheep/ lemming.)

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#43 aia89
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That article is so old, that TC was not even born yet.

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#44 ablafasaolin
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mgs 4 is certainly one of my favs of all time, along with super mario 64, sonic . mgs 3 is just as good a game tho, i would consider it better but the mgs 4's controls are just perfect while mgs 3's left alot to be desired
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#45 MLBknights58
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mgs 4 is certainly one of my favs of all time, along with super mario 64, sonic . mgs 3 is just as good a game tho, i would consider it better but the mgs 4's controls are just perfect while mgs 3's left alot to be desiredablafasaolin

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#46 Ryder_49
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SNIP

How about the mountains of pointless sh*t? For example. Why does Raiden, who is strong enough to hold up Outer Haven just minutes later, decide to chop off his arm to get out from under some rubble? And then why does he let himself get crushed under Outer Haven instead of just grabbing Snake and getting the **** out of there? The game is riddled with pointless nonsense like that.

SNIP

I can agree on everything else but you're just plain wrong in this regard. Raiden had to cut his arm off because an entire building fell on him. Minutes later when he is holding up the ship, he only does so for a short period of time before he gets crushed. How exactly is he going to grab Snake and get out of the way before they both die? He only had enough time to get in the way and save Snake from a gruesome death, therefore sacrificing himself momentarily for the greater good.

I want to slap you with a COD.

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#47 madsnakehhh
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Worst part is I havent even scratched the surface. I wont even bother breaking down the horribly cheesy, vomit inducing moments in detail. You know what they are. Johny + Merryl. Snake + Raiden. lol

Wiimotefan

Wow, there is a lot of hate there...sadly i'm agree with a lot of those things, i mean i had a lot of fun with the game and i think it was terrific but yeah, the flaws are really annoying, personally i found the whole nanomachines completel ridiculous and plain stupid and the Johny + Merryl stuff...thank God you stopped there, it is probably THE WORST cutscene EVER in a video game...and yes i played RE1.

Overall, i think it was a solid title, then again is not by any means the best MGS game.

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#48 Lord_Omikron666
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If it's the best game ever, then why doesn't it have a higher MC or GR then SMG2?

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#49 Wiimotefan
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MGS3 > MGS4

After my experience with the Metal Gear Solid HD Collection anyway...

Ryder_49

Most would agree.

I'm of the opinion that MGS2 has the best story and best (stealth) gameplay in the series. Plus I like a good challenge and when it comes to MGS there is nothing more challenging than a ghost run on EE difficulty in MGS2.

That said, I can easily understand why some people prefer MGS3. Even though I think MGS2 has the better story, MGS3 does a much better job at presenting its story. MUCH BETTER. And as far as the series goes MGS3 has the best pacing by far. Then you have the outstanding boss fights. How often do you encounter a boss as unique as The End? It was great. There are so many gameplay options, secret codecs, eater eggs, etc. that flesh out the world so well. The only thing that bugs me is the survival viewer. The food and cure systems are great ideas, but poorly implemented. It came off as tacked on rather woven into the formula. Even so, that is only a minor drawback in an otherwise outstanding game.

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#50 Wiimotefan
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SNIP

How about the mountains of pointless sh*t? For example. Why does Raiden, who is strong enough to hold up Outer Haven just minutes later, decide to chop off his arm to get out from under some rubble? And then why does he let himself get crushed under Outer Haven instead of just grabbing Snake and getting the **** out of there? The game is riddled with pointless nonsense like that.

SNIP

I can agree on everything else but you're just plain wrong in this regard. Raiden had to cut his arm off because an entire building fell on him. Minutes later when he is holding up the ship, he only does so for a short period of time before he gets crushed. How exactly is he going to grab Snake and get out of the way before they both die? He only had enough time to get in the way and save Snake from a gruesome death, therefore sacrificing himself momentarily for the greater good.

I want to slap you with a COD.

Ryder_49

A fish or the game? :P

As for that scene, Raiden had to run a few feet past Snake to hold up the ship. Snake was like 5, maybe 10 feet behind him, if even.

If Raiden had the strength to hold up a damn mega Tanker, I'm sure he could have just snatched up Snake and got the hell out of there.

Video for reference.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIbDwBgWqQg