Yes haters, Metal Gear Solid 4 is the best game ever made

Even though I think MGS2 has the better story, MGS3 does a much better job at presenting its story. MUCH BETTER.Wiimotefan

I don't know. I agree, but I disagree. That last strech going insane on the Arsenal Gear leading up to the credits was one of the greatest moments in gaming for me. So well done. Like Raiden, I felt I was beat up and defeated. I felt that I did not know what to believe, who to trust. To make me, a mere player really feel that was was damn good presentation.

But MGS 3 was still amazing, very straight foreward in comaprison to 2, but very eloquently done (minus translation issues, of course :P )!

[QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

Worst part is I havent even scratched the surface. I wont even bother breaking down the horribly cheesy, vomit inducing moments in detail. You know what they are. Johny + Merryl. Snake + Raiden. lol

madsnakehhh

Wow, there is a lot of hate there...sadly i'm agree with a lot of those things, i mean i had a lot of fun with the game and i think it was terrific but yeah, the flaws are really annoying, personally i found the whole nanomachines completel ridiculous and plain stupid and the Johny + Merryl stuff...thank God you stopped there, it is probably THE WORST cutscene EVER in a video game...and yes i played RE1.

Overall, i think it was a solid title, then again is not by any means the best MGS game.

Yeah, its solid enough. I'd give it an 8, maybe an 8.5 if I hadnt played the previous titles. Its not horrible at all. Just not gods gift to gaming, or to MGS fans for that matter.

[QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]Even though I think MGS2 has the better story, MGS3 does a much better job at presenting its story. MUCH BETTER.organic_machine

I don't know. I agree, but I disagree. That last strech going insane on the Arsenal Gear leading up to the credits was one of the greatest moments in gaming for me. So well done. Like Raiden, I felt I was beat up and defeated. I felt that I did not know what to believe, who to trust. To make me, a mere player really feel that was was damn good presentation.

But MGS 3 was still amazing, very straight foreward in comaprison to 2, but very eloquently done (minus translation issues, of course :P )!

I just think they chose to handle a bit too much of MGS2 via codec is all.

But yeah, the final stretch was crazy. I stayed up all night when I first got the game and played all the way through so when I got those "you've been playing too long, turn off the console" codecs I was like What.... the.... f*ck?

Definitely a mind trip.

Kevin VanOrd has created a monster.

I just think they chose to handle a bit too much of MGS2 via codec is all.

But yeah, the final stretch was crazy. I stayed up all night when I first got the game and played all the way through so when I got those "you've been playing too long, turn off the console" codecs I was like What.... the.... f*ck?

Definitely a mind trip.

Wiimotefan

I still remember those fateful words:

"I heard it's amazing when the famous purpule stuffed worm in flap jaw space-

with the tuning fork does a raw blink on Hara-kiri Rock. I need scissors! 61!"

[QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

I just think they chose to handle a bit too much of MGS2 via codec is all.

But yeah, the final stretch was crazy. I stayed up all night when I first got the game and played all the way through so when I got those "you've been playing too long, turn off the console" codecs I was like What.... the.... f*ck?

Definitely a mind trip.

organic_machine

I still remember those fateful words:

"I heard it's amazing when the famous purpule stuffed worm in flap jaw space-

with the tuning fork does a raw blink on Hara-kiri Rock. I need scissors! 61!"

:lol:

I dont think a game ever had me so confused. :P

:lol: No.

Blah blah blah.

Its a pretty good game if you ignore the cutscenes. The cut scenes are annoying and boring. Voice acting is crap. Terrible writing.

I've just got one thing to say:

"I cooked them right"

lol

With that being said, yes MGS4 is factually the best game ever made, whether you like it or not.

Mozelleple112

Considering how it isn't even close to being the most critically acclaimed OR fan acclaimed you're pretty much just wrong. Whether you like it or not.

Because professional opinions = fact amirite?

DraugenCP

I wonder sometimes, what exactly makes these reviewers professionals? besides the fact that they have better writing skills than I do?

This generation alone have games better than MGS4.
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And funny thing, IGN gave it a 10, and yet didn't even included it on its Top 100 games of this generation.

It is one of my top 5 games this Gen, but that's because I formulated my opinion and didn't suck the Nipples of IGN.

Oh and MGS2>MGS4.

Single Player sucked but MGO is the onlygame I really enjoyed this gen.

MGS3 > MGS4

PatchMaster

The TC hasn't replied. At all.

I'm at act 2 and it's pretty good so far. I don't get the story though cause it's the first MGS I play

[QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

Worst part is I havent even scratched the surface. I wont even bother breaking down the horribly cheesy, vomit inducing moments in detail. You know what they are. Johny + Merryl. Snake + Raiden. lol

madsnakehhh

Wow, there is a lot of hate there...sadly i'm agree with a lot of those things, i mean i had a lot of fun with the game and i think it was terrific but yeah, the flaws are really annoying, personally i found the whole nanomachines completel ridiculous and plain stupid and the Johny + Merryl stuff...thank God you stopped there, it is probably THE WORST cutscene EVER in a video game...and yes i played RE1.

Overall, i think it was a solid title, then again is not by any means the best MGS game.

I haven't played the game but that nanomachines thing you guys are talking about sounds just like how they explained the force in Star Wars, absolutely terrible......

The more I read Mozelleps comments the more I think he is just a fakeboy trolling us all and if that's the case then hes one of the more talented trolls in System Wars.

If not, here is some food for thought.

http://kotaku.com/381412/kojima-disappointed-with-metal-gear-solid-4

And Mozepple(sp?) I'm sure you know that Kojima/Konami did float the bill for a lot of the these journalists to come out to Japan, stay in lavish rooms, sit around the camp fire, wine and dine, and play MGS4. When has any developer ever done something so drastic? God damn, I'd give the game a 10/10 if he did something like that for me.

I enjoyed MGS2 more than number 4 and I am currently playing through Snake Eater and it beats 4 hands down at the moment from what I have played.

Single Player sucked but MGO is the onlygame I really enjoyed this gen.[QUOTE="PatchMaster"]

MGS3 > MGS4

PSP107

I thought MGO was great. The beta sucked and the hurdles you had to go through to get online sucked, but the final product was nice. Very different from your typical online shooter.

[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

[QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

Worst part is I havent even scratched the surface. I wont even bother breaking down the horribly cheesy, vomit inducing moments in detail. You know what they are. Johny + Merryl. Snake + Raiden. lol

LEGEND_C4A

Wow, there is a lot of hate there...sadly i'm agree with a lot of those things, i mean i had a lot of fun with the game and i think it was terrific but yeah, the flaws are really annoying, personally i found the whole nanomachines completel ridiculous and plain stupid and the Johny + Merryl stuff...thank God you stopped there, it is probably THE WORST cutscene EVER in a video game...and yes i played RE1.

Overall, i think it was a solid title, then again is not by any means the best MGS game.

I haven't played the game but that nanomachines thing you guys are talking about sounds just like how they explained the force in Star Wars, absolutely terrible......

A good analogy, but in MGS4 its 10 times worse. They apply it to everything. I mean literally everything. Not only was it a cheap cop out, but in most cases it didn't even make sense.

All Kojima did was collapse the universe he built by trying to connect things that were never meant to be and trying explain things that could have gone without explanation.

There you are again, unable to form and support your own opinions. I can find ridicululous gushing reviews for plenty of games, but it doesnt mean sh*t.

Anyways, the other thread was locked so I'll just copy/pasta what I said and see what you have to say.

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As for the single player how does it hit every note?

• By telling a horribly written, horribly paced story that contradicts prior events in the series?
• By ruining characters that were well established throughout the series and ignoring their prior developments?
• By retconing major points in the series?
• How bout them Nanomachines, huh? They fix EVERYTHING! Lets forget that Liquid had two heartbeats in MGS2 and knew things that Ocelot couldn't. No, lets just chalk it up to Nanotherapy. And how bout that Vamp? So nanos made him heal so fast that he can recover from a bullet to the head? ok. How did nanos explain the fact that he could float around in low buoyancy liquids? Control people by their shadows? Read body movements well enough to dodge bullets? Run on water and up the sides of Big Shell? Oh, nanos, ok. Oh and here's one out of left field! Hey guys Naomi has Cancer! Lets see her die instantly after taking the injection while Otacon cries to her through an LCD screen side mounted on a robot. YES!
• How about the mountains of pointless sh*t? For example. Why does Raiden, who is strong enough to hold up Outer Haven just minutes later, decide to chop off his arm to get out from under some rubble? And then why does he let himself get crushed under Outer Haven instead of just grabbing Snake and getting the **** out of there? The game is riddled with pointless nonsense like that.
• How about that crappy TPS gameplay? No need for stealth tactics, just shoot everything you see and hit up Debin on his pager when you need more guns, nades, rockets, silencers, etc.. Oh you want to play it stealth you say? Cool. Just crawl around in your Octocam from point a to point b. DONE. Thats what happens when level design is an afterthought.
• Oh and those levelsHey guys here is Shadow Moses! Hope you like nostalgia because the level is devoid of any soldiers, or meaningful design. Feel free to run straight through throwing down the truckload of Chaffs you came across. Oh and have fun in Outer Haven! We know its the last stage of "the final" MGS, but we took it upon ourselves to make sure it is 1000x more primitive in design than the Tanker from MGS2! Oh and hope you like Europe, because on every replay you will have to do the same damn thing even though you know exactly were to go. Awesome!
• How bout that enemy AI that doesnt even match up to MGS2 and 3?
• How about those bosses that basically have no involvement in the story and just boil down to generic shooter bosses in terms of gameplay?
• Where are all my codecs and easter eggs? What happened to the incredible amounts of detail and thought that went into fleshing out the world you play in?

Worst part is I havent even scratched the surface. I wont even bother breaking down the horribly cheesy, vomit inducing moments in detail. You know what they are. Johny + Merryl. Snake + Raiden. lol

Wiimotefan

[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

[QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

Worst part is I havent even scratched the surface. I wont even bother breaking down the horribly cheesy, vomit inducing moments in detail. You know what they are. Johny + Merryl. Snake + Raiden. lol

LEGEND_C4A

Wow, there is a lot of hate there...sadly i'm agree with a lot of those things, i mean i had a lot of fun with the game and i think it was terrific but yeah, the flaws are really annoying, personally i found the whole nanomachines completel ridiculous and plain stupid and the Johny + Merryl stuff...thank God you stopped there, it is probably THE WORST cutscene EVER in a video game...and yes i played RE1.

Overall, i think it was a solid title, then again is not by any means the best MGS game.

I haven't played the game but that nanomachines thing you guys are talking about sounds just like how they explained the force in Star Wars, absolutely terrible......

Exactly!!!

Oh, you have a bullet in your face...don't worry you'll be fine, you have nanomachines.

Oh, you need this character dead at that precise moment...don't worry, nanomachines will fixe the issue.

Oh, you need to live only 5 days more...don't worry, nanomachines will keep you alive as much as you need.

etc, etc, etc, etc.

[QUOTE="LEGEND_C4A"]

[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

Wow, there is a lot of hate there...sadly i'm agree with a lot of those things, i mean i had a lot of fun with the game and i think it was terrific but yeah, the flaws are really annoying, personally i found the whole nanomachines completel ridiculous and plain stupid and the Johny + Merryl stuff...thank God you stopped there, it is probably THE WORST cutscene EVER in a video game...and yes i played RE1.

Overall, i think it was a solid title, then again is not by any means the best MGS game.

Wiimotefan

I haven't played the game but that nanomachines thing you guys are talking about sounds just like how they explained the force in Star Wars, absolutely terrible......

A good analogy, but in MGS4 its 10 times worse. They apply it to everything. I mean literally everything. Not only was it a cheap cop out, but in most cases it didn't even make sense.

All Kojima did was collapse the universe he built by trying to connect things that were never meant to be and trying explain things that could have gone without explanation.

ouch! :?

MGS4 is the only game I played in the MGS series, so I definitely did it wrong. Tried to wiki some of the plot up to that point but my head exploded multiple times trying to read it. Still, once I got a handle on wtf was going on, I enjoyed the experience. But in my opinion, Splinter Cell 1-3 have vastly superior stealth gameplay and are the better games.WithoutGraceXII

Chaos Theory is godly, but I still prefer MGS2 and MGS3. Not saying they are better stealth games, but just more enjoyable experiences imo.

[QUOTE="LEGEND_C4A"]

[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

Wow, there is a lot of hate there...sadly i'm agree with a lot of those things, i mean i had a lot of fun with the game and i think it was terrific but yeah, the flaws are really annoying, personally i found the whole nanomachines completel ridiculous and plain stupid and the Johny + Merryl stuff...thank God you stopped there, it is probably THE WORST cutscene EVER in a video game...and yes i played RE1.

Overall, i think it was a solid title, then again is not by any means the best MGS game.

madsnakehhh

I haven't played the game but that nanomachines thing you guys are talking about sounds just like how they explained the force in Star Wars, absolutely terrible......

Exactly!!!

Oh, you have a bullet in your face...don't worry you'll be fine, you have nanomachines.

Oh, you need this character dead at that precise moment...don't worry, nanomachines will fixe the issue.

Oh, you need to live only 5 days more...don't worry, nanomachines will keep you alive as much as you need.

etc, etc, etc, etc.

lol it sounds so unbelievably ridiculous when you put it that way, but its all true. :(

Best game this gen: No

Best Game on PS3: No

Best PS3 Exclusive:No

Best Game in the series:No

Best Game of All Time: Not even in the top 10.

It's a great game but not even close to the best game ever.

[QUOTE="TheGuardian03"]Its not the best MGS.Wiimotefan

He'll claim it to be the best MGS due to sales and scores. That is until you show him MGS2 sales and scores at metacritic. Then He'll only accept GS scores and claim that the PS2 install base and multiplat release is why it sold so well. Until you let you him know that MGS2 almost hit 7 mil when it was still a PS2 exclusive with an install base of less than 20 mil. Then he just gives up.

Pretty amusing tbh.

[QUOTE="donalbane"]I'd say it's the best stealth game ever. Best GAME ever... as in all games... probably not. (Top 50, maybe.)cain006

[QUOTE="Giancar"]Best ever? No And why is this thread needed? :|Mozelleple112

Fakeboy confirmed.

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Mozelleple112

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"]

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/881/881472p1.html

"Is it possible to give a game an 11? If so, this would be the game that would merit that score. Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots is a title that exceeds all of the hype that was attached to the title. Regardless of whether you've seen every trailer and screenshot, read every preview and heard every interview, you won't get a full sense of how phenomenal this title is unless you sit down and experience it for yourself.

Legends die hard and deserve a heroic story that lives on when they are gone. Metal Gear Solid 4 is such an ending for the legendary warrior Solid Snake. Not only does it sum up the full franchise of Metal Gear, its depth and its complexity, coupled with its technical prowess, make it one of the best games of the year and, indeed, one of the best games ever made. Get some well earned rest, Snake. You've earned it. We salute you."

http://www.gamespot.com/metal-gear-solid-4-guns-of-the-patriots/platform/ps3?tag=result;title;0

"Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots is the most technically stunning video game ever made. It's also a fine example of storytelling prowess within its medium, combining gameplay and narrative so slickly and beautifully that it's impossible to extricate one from the other. It's likely you will emerge awestruck from your first play-through, wishing the experience would continue yet nonetheless satisfied with its conclusion. It's difficult not to sound hyperbolic when discussing MGS4 because every part of its design seemingly fulfills its vision, without compromise. There is no halfway."

All the big critics think MGS4 is the best game ever made:

http://gamer.blorge.com/2008/06/21/metal-gear-solid-4-big-three-says-best-game-ever-made-on-all-systems-ps3-xbox-360-and-wii/

Reviewers have saidMetal Gear Solid4: Guns of the Patriots is one of the bestvideo gamesever made, and that includes this-gen systems such as PS3 and Xbox 360 all the way back to NES.

To review such a game is simply impossible. Not a single person lives or will ever live that is worthy of playing, experiencing Metal Gear Solid 4, let alone review it and any attempt to do so is a falsum and flawed by nature. And yet, by some miracle somehow I found myself happening upon the privilege of playing it, it was a strange and wonderful experience. Like shagging a super model, all the while you cannot shake the feeling of shame and guilt, the feeling that this should not be happening, that you are not worthy, that she is too good for you, but damn it if you are not going to enjoy it for as long it is going to last anyway...

With that being said, yes MGS4 is factually the best game ever made, whether you like it or not.

Also; hatred originating from disreputable gentleman shall continually persist..

MLBknights58

Lol. :lol:

Bro. Sorry to be a dickhead, but go outside more. It's just a game fella.

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"][QUOTE="Giancar"]Best ever? No And why is this thread needed? :|sandbox3d

Fakeboy confirmed.

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"]

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jasonharris48

[QUOTE="Giancar"]Best ever? No And why is this thread needed? :|Mozelleple112

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"]

With that being said, yes MGS4 is factually the best game ever made, whether you like it or not.

bobcheeseball

Considering how it isn't even close to being the most critically acclaimed OR fan acclaimed you're pretty much just wrong. Whether you like it or not.

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"]

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Mozelleple112

[QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

[QUOTE="TheGuardian03"]Its not the best MGS.Mozelleple112

He'll claim it to be the best MGS due to sales and scores. That is until you show him MGS2 sales and scores at metacritic. Then He'll only accept GS scores and claim that the PS2 install base and multiplat release is why it sold so well. Until you let you him know that MGS2 almost hit 7 mil when it was still a PS2 exclusive with an install base of less than 20 mil. Then he just gives up.

Pretty amusing tbh.

So this never happened?

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"][QUOTE="jasonharris48"] When are you going to start posting your own opinions rather than the opinions of someone else? What's wrong can't speak for your self?

jasonharris48