Yet again Microsoft has completely abandoned the core gamer this year

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#51 tenaka2
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It has already been proven the 360 has the best game library and exclusives just like it has been proven there is a healthy number of games coming out this year and a good number of exclusives as well. Live with it.

Plus...........a new console. Something Sony can't do into Vizio or Samsung buys them out.

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Proven? The 360 has little or no exclusives, all the multiplats are better on PC. THe 360 is a kinect box, nothing more.

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#52 xLittlekillx
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Hey, did you guys know that the term "core" gamer was filtered into our vocabulary by marketing?

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#53 BibiMaghoo
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Hey, did you guys know that the term "core" gamer was filtered into our vocabulary by marketing?

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There is certainly truth in that. I think here though, core it defined as retail games that dont rely on a perihperal, such as move, kinect etc. Or perhaps games that are not considered 'family' games. Its quite hard to define I suppose. Mainly because its in the eye of the beholder. You could have a 'core' gamer that only plays motion based games, so its a tricky one indeed.
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#54 Heil68
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The guy probably has a bot set up to find any threads that mention the 360 and to make a "360 has no games" posts in them :P. If he doesnt have a bot doing it for him... scary.Snugenz
Since the 360 has..oh wait..RTB!
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#55 RandoIph
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The sole reason reason you don't see more of these types of games coming out for PS3 this year is that Move was a complete and utter FAILURE. Had it experienced the kind of success Kinect has, you'd be seeing a flood of Move games in the same vein. But Move sucks, it's not even half as good as the thing it was directly copying, (wiimote plus) and no one bought it. So don't act like Sony took some sort of high road and decided to stick with the core gamers. They tried to marry the casual crowd, and they got left at the altar, and more core gamers still prefer playing elsewhere than the PS3, as proved by hardware numbers and higher sales of multiplatrform games on Xbox 360. Third place cows, third place. Moo moar.
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#56 Heil68
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[QUOTE="TheEroica"] Fair enough.... then you have absolutly no quarrel with a consumer purchasing a xbox based on its stellar library of core games and established exclusive franchises.... given they are a console only gamer. Surely you wouldnt "hate" a console based on a 5% difference and spread lies that even though 95% of the games are equal it has "no games"...

2 exclusives and one was a flop *and* it took a YEAR between releases? That's..
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[QUOTE="WarTornRuston"]

It has already been proven the 360 has the best game library and exclusives just like it has been proven there is a healthy number of games coming out this year and a good number of exclusives as well. Live with it.

Plus...........a new console. Something Sony can't do into Vizio or Samsung buys them out.

tenaka2

Proven? The 360 has little or no exclusives, all the multiplats are better on PC. THe 360 is a kinect box, nothing more.

And one of these days you Hermits will learn most of these system wars do not include you. It is basically you all including yourself. You are a $hitty 3rd wheel on a date. You tag along ruining everything while everyone else is trying to have fum with each other. Your stupid sig says it all. Yet.....in real life I am sure you are the biggest loser on the board.
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And one of these days you Hermits will learn most of these system wars do not include you. It is basically you all including yourself. You are a $hitty 3rd wheel on a date. You tag along ruining everything while everyone else is trying to have fum with each other. Your stupid sig says it all. Yet.....in real life I am sure you are the biggest loser on the board.WarTornRuston

Aww, who pissed in your cereal this morning? Awful amount of butt hurt here from a lowly consolite.

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[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="TheEroica"] Fair enough.... then you have absolutly no quarrel with a consumer purchasing a xbox based on its stellar library of core games and established exclusive franchises.... given they are a console only gamer. Surely you wouldnt "hate" a console based on a 5% difference and spread lies that even though 95% of the games are equal it has "no games"...

2 exclusives and one was a flop *and* it took a YEAR between releases? That's..

One was the highest rated exclusive of the year.... the other was the follow up to the best racing sim on earth and still outscored the ps3 offering (gt5) compare that to a handfull of sony exclusives that didnt live up to expectations and what are we really arguing about? Maybe a difference of 5 slightly above average games that ultimately didnt live up to the multiplats that were available on both consoles? Pshhh... again mountain out of a mole hill....
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[QUOTE="RandoIph"]The sole reason reason you don't see more of these types of games coming out for PS3 this year is that Move was a complete and utter FAILURE. Had it experienced the kind of success Kinect has, you'd be seeing a flood of Move games in the same vein. But Move sucks, it's not even half as good as the thing it was directly copying, (wiimote plus) and no one bought it. So don't act like Sony took some sort of high road and decided to stick with the core gamers. They tried to marry the casual crowd, and they got left at the altar, and more core gamers still prefer playing elsewhere than the PS3, as proved by hardware numbers and higher sales of multiplatrform games on Xbox 360. Third place cows, third place. Moo moar.

I dont think anything that has sold 9 million units can be considered a failure? You consider that failure? Here is a little known fact for you. (figures from November 2011) Kinect sold 8 million devices in 2 months. Impressive indeed. In the following 10 months, only 2 million more deviced were sold. Move has sold 9 million units to date, and although initial sales figures were far , far slower than kinect, as of November last year, they are only a million units behind. So to say Move is a failure at 9 million devices, also is to say that kinect is a failure at 10 million. Or does one million sales make the difference between failure and success for you?
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#61 tenaka2
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[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="WarTornRuston"]

It has already been proven the 360 has the best game library and exclusives just like it has been proven there is a healthy number of games coming out this year and a good number of exclusives as well. Live with it.

Plus...........a new console. Something Sony can't do into Vizio or Samsung buys them out.

WarTornRuston

Proven? The 360 has little or no exclusives, all the multiplats are better on PC. THe 360 is a kinect box, nothing more.

And one of these days you Hermits will learn most of these system wars do not include you. It is basically you all including yourself. You are a $hitty 3rd wheel on a date. You tag along ruining everything while everyone else is trying to have fum with each other. Your stupid sig says it all. Yet.....in real life I am sure you are the biggest loser on the board.

System wars includes PC, you can't try to dismiss it just because it crushes your cheap casual consoles.

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[QUOTE="WarTornRuston"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Proven? The 360 has little or no exclusives, all the multiplats are better on PC. THe 360 is a kinect box, nothing more.

tenaka2

And one of these days you Hermits will learn most of these system wars do not include you. It is basically you all including yourself. You are a $hitty 3rd wheel on a date. You tag along ruining everything while everyone else is trying to have fum with each other. Your stupid sig says it all. Yet.....in real life I am sure you are the biggest loser on the board.

System wars includes PC, you can't try to dismiss it just because it crushes your cheap casual consoles.

A great example of someone who makes PC owners look like ridiculous elitists

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#63 Giancar
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the 360 started this gen with a BANG still has some cards for the core audience, not much as in the previous years, but it has Kinect sucks though
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#64 The_Pacific
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2012 is even more abysmal than 2011 (which I thought would be impossible) The only saving grace is some milkage Halo game.
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#65 -ArchAngeL-777-
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I dont think Microsoft really knows what they are doing when it comes to first party development. Where would they be without Halo (a third party exclusive)?
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#66 Banjo_Kongfooie
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I am bathing in gameplay and finding myself having a more immersive experience with most the games due to the 360's superior hardware. Skyrim makes me feel blessed to have refused to get a PS3.
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[QUOTE="Dy_WarriorsXoXo"]Wait for E3 deude. MS is going to tear down the booth this year. They are the underdog given their past E3 last year. Also even if no games but Halo 4 come guess what? Better multiplats than PS3, hahaha we get the true experience of a game.

Whats a true experience? So if we buy the same game and mine has slightly less AA or motion blur it's not the real "true" experience?
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#68 W1NGMAN-
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Last year I picked up Gears 3 and Forza 4, as for this year? I'd be surprised to buy any 360 exclusive, smdh.
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Last time I heard.Kinect was making the move to PC also.

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[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]I am bathing in gameplay and finding myself having a more immersive experience with most the games due to the 360's superior hardware. Skyrim makes me feel blessed to have refused to get a PS3.

You have Hamtaro in your sig. No wonder you find the 360 lineup so appealing.
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I think alot of people are missing the point with the lack of 'hardcore' games for 360 this year. The people that want a 360 for these games already have one. I strongly believe that MS is working on the launch lineup for the new console. in the mean time that means selling systems to people that dont have them, the casual / family crowd. its business. Thats all. MS are just trying to reach more customers, as any company would do. (nintendo did, Sony tried) How many people that want to play gears / halo / forza etc dont already own a 360? My guess would be few indeed. That limits severly the number of units that can be sold. MS are not stupid, people should credit them with more intelligence. BibiMaghoo

You might have a point. Look at it this way, i've always said, jokes aside, the PS3 and 360 are practically the same bar a few exclusives. And they both have about 50% of the same market. So there's already 120 million people who have a current gen HD console, they aren't really going to squeeze a lot more out before the next gen. So what MS is doing is good business by extending the console to another market. And unlike others who bring out peripherals they are supporting it, suddenly that's a terrible thing.

It does make sense that MS could be starting to focus 1st party on the next gen. Usually the first years really dry and full of ports and they're going to need to stand out if Sony release along side them.

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#72 ShadowMoses900
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How was this surprising? MS has completely abandoned the origioanal Xbox fanbase that made the system great, they dumped them for the Kinect soccer moms. The bad thing is though, is that MS doesn't have very many 1st party studios, so if they are making a new next genXbox and people are betting on having all these new exclusive games for it, they are going to be dissapointed.

MS has a total of about 6 main 1st party devs, and two of them are jokes because MS won't use them (Rare and Alan Wake team), the onlyones left are Halo 343 studios (bungie is multiplat now), new Dev team for Gears (Epic is also multiplat now), Forza team, and Fable which is also going to Kinect.That's all they have, so unless they have beengetting new devs in secret, next gen won't be any different from what we are having now.

I expect the next Xbox to be only slightly more powerful then systems now (I don't expect a huge jump in power like last gen to this gen with anyone though) and they will focus mostly with Kinect 2.0 and making that more integrated, along withthe occasional Halo game they will milk every year. This is all just speculation of course, but if you look at what their strategy is, this is the direction that makes the most sense for them.

It's not right to abandone your main audience like that, I know alot of Xbox gamers are just ditching the platform and going to PS3 and PC now because of the way MS has screwed them.

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#73 Riverwolf007
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core gamers are interested in ancient consoles? it's 6 years old it looks to me as if core games would abandon ms if they were so "core"

hey everyone i'm teh leet core phone user! check out mah motorola star tac!

lol u noobs i'm a core pc user look at mah badass rig from 6 years ago! oh man i'm sooo core!!!

the whole concept you are trying to bring off is laughable but not surprising though.

sw is now like the last bowl of cereal you get from an old box of some kind of healthy brand. all the nuts and fruits have settled to the bottom so when you pour that last bowl all you get is a bowl full of stale nuts and fruits.

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#74 LastRambo341
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How was this surprising? MS has completely abandoned the origioanal Xbox fanbase that made the system great, they dumped them for the Kinect soccer moms. The bad thing is though, is that MS doesn't have very many 1st party studios, so if they are making a new next genXbox and people are betting on having all these new exclusive games for it, they are going to be dissapointed.

MS has a total of about 6 main 1st party devs, and two of them are jokes because MS won't use them (Rare and Alan Wake team), the onlyones left are Halo 343 studios (bungie is multiplat now), new Dev team for Gears (Epic is also multiplat now), Forza team, and Fable which is also going to Kinect.That's all they have, so unless they have beengetting new devs in secret, next gen won't be any different from what we are having now.

I expect the next Xbox to be only slightly more powerful then systems now (I don't expect a huge jump in power like last gen to this gen with anyone though) and they will focus mostly with Kinect 2.0 and making that more integrated, along withthe occasional Halo game they will milk every year. This is all just speculation of course, but if you look at what their strategy is, this is the direction that makes the most sense for them.

It's not right to abandone your main audience like that, I know alot of Xbox gamers are just ditching the platform and going to PS3 and PC now because of the way MS has screwed them.

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Lol, apparently core gamers have to be selfish and not allow their companies to make games for the casual?