Yoshida Believes Nintendo Brings Balance To Industry

@MirkoS77: the way I see it splatoon is the exact same thing as pikmin. It's a very weird looking game that breaks genre conventions. They're making a tps where the goal isn't shooting opponents, but a clever take on capturing territory

I mean if pikmin were shown today who would honestly say it would be as big as it turned out to be? I know alot of people would scoff at how ridiculous it looks right off the bat

There are still two things you are very conveniently missing:

1. Nintendo has put out two retail games for Wii U this year, which is double that what Sony has put out for PS4, and mathematically impossible to calculate w.r.t Microsoft's output on the Xbox One this year, which is 0.
2. Nintendo is more than the Wii U.They also release games on the 3DS. You want to talk about Nintendo's output last year? Fire Emblem, Pokemon, Zelda, Zelda, Mario 3D World, Pikmin, Animal Crossing, Luigi's Mansion, Mario and Luigi Dream Team,. Or this year, where they have had Mario Golf, Kirby, Yoshi, Donkey Kong, Mario Kart? Nintendo releases more games than any of the big three. And they are certainly bringing out more games for Wii U this year than Sony is bringing out for PS4 (lol, enjoy DriveClub and a Last of Us remaster).

You can bring balance simply by being a counterpoint to the traditional AAAA fixated industry, the kind of industry that is forever doomed to attempt to emulate Call of Duty and Assassin's Creed. That's what Nintendo does, and happily for us, they do it well. If you are actually a gamer concerned about games instead of sales number which have no bearing on anything whatsoever, you would recognize that, and appreciate that, not try to argue against that with a strawman argument.

No games... you mean like on PS4 and Xbox One? Because that's what they're providing a counterpoint to.

Actually your statement about the one first party game is incorrect, they have 2 with Donkey Kong this year. I'm not trying to defend Nintendo, just saying you're technically wrong.

Although how many first party games have come out on the other consoles this year? I keep forgetting how much 2014 has sucked so far

@charizard1605: Wrong it's not doubled for PS4 because sony got out the show and second son. So there goes that theory.

Also in the grand scheme of things you cant sit here and say nintendo balances out the industry when they are basically the only successful handheld gaming market out there. They basically own it.

And at the end of the day when all is said and done. Nintendo still doesn't balance anything out. Especially when you're the predominant force in one area and the complete lackluster in another.

:::slow clap:::

Btw, that article was from May 7, BEFORE Mario Kart 8 came out. You know, that game that sold 2 million copies in a month. I wouldn't be surprised if Wii U sales are upwards of 7 million right now.

@sHaDyCuBe321: wow 7 million in a year and a half! Someone stop the presses!

Ah right, so Sony put out as many games as Nintendo, and they are going to release a grand total of one more original game for the rest of this year. Against, what, four more Nintendo games on Wii U? I don't see you 'loling' at Sony now.

And once again, you are completely missing out on the point, either deliberately or because you actually don't get it, and I know you're too smart to not actually get it, so I know you're just acting obtuse.

This. Is. Not. About. Market. Performance. Not only is market performance transient and changes from generation to generation- Nintendo led the console wars last gen, and Sony was last, they swapped places this time- but that has absolutely nothing to do with what Yoshida is trying to say, and what I am trying to say, which is, and I repeat, the kinds of games Nintendo makes are a counterpoint to the kinds of games everybody else makes. No one else makes the kinds of games Nintendo makes, so Nintendo games are a balance to the traditional AAA industry.

And incidentally, since you are obsessed with sales, and since this is software we are talking about, not hardware, let me point out that Nintendo software sales are insane and guaranteed. They are extremely successful on a software basis. So sure, even on a sales basis, as far as their software output goes, they do provide a lone, singular counterpoint to the rest of the industry's AAA output.

Today I learned fifteen months is a year and a half.

Also that sales tell us how good something is.

Man, Wii must have been better than Xbox 360 and PS3 put together for most of last generation, then.

2nd best selling next generation console, by a considerable amount. The GC sold 20 million in it's life span and was an amazing console. I didn't realize consoles had to sell in order to be viable gaming machines.

I noted the 7 million just to point out the absurdity of your previous post. 6 million in 3 years? More like 7 million in 1.5. So as Charizard previously said, your numbers were comically wrong.

@charizard1605: you can spin it however you want. Ninty doesn't have the support on it's consoles.

Also no i'm not acting obtuse. This is my honest to god opinion. Nintendo doesn't balance anything out.

You can't sit here and say it isn't about all this stuff. It has to be, because if people don't own the damn thing how can you " balance the industry"

the kinds of games Nintendo makes are a counterpoint to the kinds of games everybody else makes. No one else makes the kinds of games Nintendo makes, so Nintendo games are a balance to the traditional AAA industry.

As far as this goes? lol. Have you seen what the PC offers. It's a breath bigger than what nintendo can offer. That's for sure, because a kart racer, a rehashed platformer ( Tropical freeze), ANOTHER zelda game, Another smash bros, more mario platforming and so on doesn't bring balance when they keep releasing the same thing. Pokemon has had the same gameplay for almost 20 years. I mean nintendo doesn't make the real stand out games on the 3DS, third party developers do.

Also nintendo sales guaranteed? Lol. The Wii-U sales are basically atrocious. Ninty can't have a spike ever 6-8 months hoping it keeps their console market healthy.
And as I said you can't balance one side of the industry when you are the predominant force behind the handheld market.

Ninty doesn't have what support on its consoles? Third party support? No shit, welcome to 1996. It's never had third party support on its consoles. I was unaware that this was even a point of contention, but in case that's what you were trying to argue... congratulations on establishing literal common knowledge that nobody was arguing against you on in the first place?

This was, yet again, about Nintendo's games. Which are there by the plenty on their systems. Which are the ones that provide balance to AAA industry.

And yes, PC is great too, it too provides balance to the AAA industry. It's not a coincidence PC and Wii U are my two most currently played machines. However, Nintendo being a counterpoint does not negate the PC being a counterpoint, and PC being a counterpoint does not negate Nintendo being a counterpoint.

Your attempts to devolve Nintendo games to 'rehashes' are pretty sad, and clearly exhibit that you have not played the games in question. If/when you do, come back and talk to me about them. That is the only time your opinion on them would be valid.

As for 3DS- I was unaware games like A Link Between Worlds, Super Mario 3D Land, Fire Emblem Awakening, Animal Crossing New Leaf, Kid Icarus, and Pokemon were third party games. Or are you seriously implying Etrian Odyssey IV is more of a standout games than these are?

Roofioo !!

@sHaDyCuBe321: Comically wrong? Ohh please. It sold 6.17 million in 18 months. It released in november of 2012 remember? Also 2 million is a "considerable amount now" Please don't make me laugh. I mean for all we know it could be at parity with the one.

15 months. November 2012 to march 2014 is 15 months.

: @charizard1605: It doesn't have third party support. Plain andsimple

LOL I own every Wii-U and 3DS exclusive aside from W101, MK8 and tropical freeze.

Char they're rehashes. No need to be butt hurt. But they truly are. Incredible well makde rehashes. But rehashes.

So don't tell me what I have and haven't played. Because I will school you in a heartbeat. I know my shit and you're INCREDIBLY biased towards nintendo as seen here and in the past.

No matter what I say, is just illogical bullshit to you because it's seen as shitting on nintendo.

: @charizard1605: It doesn't have third party support. Plain andsimple

LOL I own every Wii-U and 3DS exclusive aside from W101, MK8 and tropical freeze.

Char they're rehashes. No need to be butt hurt. But they truly are. Incredible well makde rehashes. But rehashes.

So don't tell me what I have and haven't played. Because I will school you in a heartbeat. I know my shit and you're INCREDIBLY biased towards nintendo as seen here and in the past.

No matter what I say, is just illogical bullshit to you because it's seen as shitting on nintendo.

I'm out of this thread because this will go no where. You don't respond to any kind of discussion if it has any negativity surrounding nintendo

When all else fails, always make sure to attack the person you are losing the argument to :)

The wonderful thing about your earlier post is, the only titles you called out as being rehashes- MK8 and Donkey Kong- are the titles you just claimes you do not own. Therefore you cannot have an opinion on those games. You can't school me on anything if you haven't played those games.

The even more wonderful thing is, 'It doesn't have third party support. Plain andsimple.' I know. I agree. When did I say it does, exactly?

The even more wonderful thing is, you call me biased, when I have not made a single irrational point. But my bias for Nintendo surely does not seem to be as strong as your bias for PlayStation, or just for sales numbers. We're all biased. We all have our preferences. The question is, can we then have a proper rational disucssion in spite of the bias? The answer is, yes, I can, I just did, within this thread itself, I gave Nintendo credit where credit was due, and shat on them where they deserved it. You, you can't. You can't stand anybody giving unqualified praise to anyone that isn't Sony, and your constant attempts to deflect the topic from what the original discussion was just show me how much you tried to gain the upper hand in the argument by constantly trying to change what the argument was about.

1. Nintendo has had more time to get their software development ramped up, something both Sony and MS are currently undergoing. Considering such, only two games in the first half of 2014, a year and a half+ after the console's release is pretty bad. An unfair comparison and one I'm getting tired of seeing used to try to make it appear Nintendo doesn't have an advantage. Do you not understand Nintendo had a head start?

2. See 1. Let's see where Sony and MS are at this point in the U's life release wise.

If Nintendo brings balance to the industry by being a counterpoint to Sony and MS's offerings, than Sony and MS are due just as much credit for bringing balance to what Nintendo ultimately lacks. This is what frustrates me: Nintendo gets the credit for things that others are doing just as much. It's a bullshit double standard. I would be bored to death with just MS or Sony in the industry, but truth be told I'd be even more bored with just Nintendo, for while their software is always of high quality, I've been playing variances on the same thing for going on 3 decades now.

Every company compliments the whole, but I'm sorry, Nintendo does not deserve more credit here for "balance" when the truth in fact is they are just as guilty as the others as retreading their respective franchises as much as Sony and MS are. In fact, I'd argue that both Sony and MS attempt to cater to a broader audience than Nintendo does. They have games such as LBP 3, The Puppeteer, Knack, and Zoo Tycoon along with their more mature oriented offerings.

@Animal-Mother:

1.) It's funny that you bash a system when you haven't played 3 out of the top 5 games on it.

2.) 2 million games on a user base no greater than 7 million, in one month no less, is a considerable amount.

3.) If Nintendo games are rehashes then so are the vast majority of high budget games on the market.

4.) More of the same is not always a bad thing. Why would you need to make vast alterations to franchises and games that have time tested gameplay mechanics? Serious question.

yea it bring balance to the industry, but they themselves have no balance within their own consoles....and that is the problem

The WiiU is probably at 6.4million-6.6 million now and not 7 million.

The Wii U was at 6.2 million units worldwide on March 31, 2014. Are you telling me that in the three months since, it has sold only 200,000-400,000 units worldwide, in spite of Mario Kart 8? Because if so, that thing really is doomed.

who's Yoshida?

Head of Sony Worldwide Studios?

According to the data from NDP it sold a bit over 100 thousand combined in both April and May in the US. The rest of the world could have potentially added another 100-200 thousand. According to Reggie the WiiU sold 4.1X times more than usual during the week Mario Kart 8 released in the US which probably means the WiiU sold 40k-60k that weak in the US.The rest of June could have added another 150K-300K to the WiiU's total if we include the rest of the world.The WiiU is most likely still under 7 million and it's higher than 6.6 million most likely.

We don't have any hard numbers. It's probably not over 7 million, but it's also probably not as obscenely low as 6.6 million. It's probably going to have hit 7 million, though. We'll see, just three weeks till we get updated numbers.

@kittennose: Nothing says irrelevant like 70% market share for 8th gen hardware.

Damn, Animal-Mother got wrecked in this thread lol.

They can bring balance by making games not found on other platforms. Problem is, I've reached my fun with those games and I'll probably not buy any more consoles from them.

It's interesting, and very much a culturally accurate statement (coming from Nintendo). I think it's what helped Nintendo with their Wii success, but is perhaps not serving them well in terms of the Wii U.

The game industry needs someone to give them something they didn't know they needed ("That works," Mac said to Microsoft. "That works.")

@charizard1605: The guy likes Nintendo and has 2 Wii U's. So i think he likes having them around tbh

Balance in the industry comes from the indie developers primarily on the PC where they aren't restricted and can do whatever they want. Indie devs are what bring new ideas to the table, revitalize old genres, and generally contrast the pure profit driven AAA development.

Note: Most game development is profit-driven, but indie games are rarely built to maximize profit and operate on lower profit margins and thus target different audiences. AAA games are usually built to maximize profit by conforming to fads or norms that are proven to sell thus limiting their potential.

Nintendo is in a different position than the other two. They have their own market that they build games for and have long since given up trying to directly compete. This allows them to stay alive but their market size (at least in the console world) has shunk overall because of it. The Wii had the whole fad thing going for it but it's clear with the WiiU that Nintendo's niche is much smaller than people originally anticipated.

They also have a very toxic relationship with third parties which forces them to build games just for their fanbase.

What's so funny is that Nintendo used to be known for their first person shooters. Doom 64, Quake, Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Turok, etc. etc.

Nintendo does need to do new stuff though. Have Retro work on a new FPS or something...

The only FPS' that HAD Nintendo involved were Goldeneye and Perfect Dark, and even then, RARE developed them. They never even made Doom 64 (Midway did), Quake (once again, Midway handled that port and it was on more than one system), or Turok (Acclaim; multiplatform).

Nintendo had nothing to do with Doom 64, Quake, and Turok.