You can hate on the Wii all you want but give them credit for.....

hm... reviewers are considered hardcore gamers, and yet i havent seen them complain about quest compasses and regenerative health

in fact, reviewers complain when a quest ISN'T clear enough in terms of where to to go or what to do next (which is why quest compasses are pretty much standard now)

but hey, who knows better than a random forum user...

ogvampire

Reviewers? One would think you were making an appeal to authority to force your views on others.

What you or reviewers think isn't my concern, my concern is about my experience; and MY experience has been affected by developers seeking out broader audiences.

Every time it's the same, broader audiences lead to simple/easier/more babying games. You can try to spin this but I know what I have experienced, what you write here won't change any of that. Believe what you want, I know what my experience has been.

I don't really have to respect the Wii for anything besides being enjoyable to me. It does that fine so that's why I like. The expanded audience is irrelevant to me because at the end of the day its me and my system. I don't hold any hate to the expanded audience like most of the System Warriors however.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

hm... reviewers are considered hardcore gamers, and yet i havent seen them complain about quest compasses and regenerative health

in fact, reviewers complain when a quest ISN'T clear enough in terms of where to to go or what to do next (which is why quest compasses are pretty much standard now)

but hey, who knows better than a random forum user...

AnnoyedDragon

Reviewers? One would think you were making an appeal to authority to force your views on others.

or more like getting a different view from different hardcore gamers... of course thats an adverse opinion

What you or reviewers think isn't my concern, my concern is about my experience; and MY experience has been affected by developers seeking out broader audiences.

then you should make your own games, or just play only Steel Battalion or ARMA... the only true hardcore games

Every time it's the same, broader audiences lead to simple/easier/more babying games. You can try to spin this but I know what I have experienced, what you write here won't change any of that. Believe what you want, I know what my experience has been.

and what you write wont change anything either, but hey... hardcore gamers are better at whining than any other kind of gamer

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.....bringing a bigger, broader audience to the video game industry. The Wii is doing its part in helping the industry in sales that translates into a more healthier market for the future. The Xbox and Playstation division alone cannot help the industry gain the profit it needs in order to have a bright future. Appealing to 'hardcore' gamers just won't cut it. Thats why we should at least respect the Wii for going a different direction.

Agree?

ZIMdoom

No, I don't agree. I credit them for trying something new and different. I credit them for carving out their own niche and not getting sucked into what could very well be an unsustainable "power battle". I credit them for still staying true to their roots and releasing classic games with a new look (although I want more new ips).

However, while Nintendo has certainly seen great success by focusing on this new audience, it has cost them their loyal, long term audience. And I see absolutely ZERO evidence that this new audience cares about gaming AT ALL. This new audience, as I see it, still know nothing about games, gaming, and show no signs that they are going to move upstream which is what Nintendo really wanted. Nintendo wanted to attract these new gamers in hopes they would eventually become long-term, loyal, or "hardcore" gamers. Yet I see zero evidence this is happening. Instead I just see Nintendo scrambling to constantly find new ways to appeal to different groups of this broad audience.

So no, I don't credit Nintendo for this new audience because I don't think this audience is going to stick around. By the looks of Nintendo's latest financial releases, this audience doesn't even seem like they will stick around for the life of the Wii itself, letalone stay as long-term gamers over many gens.

I also STRONGLY disagree with the people calling this new group "casual". This new audience isn't casual because being "casual" implies they have some regularity or reliable pattern to their action, even if its not all that serious. This new audience doesn't fit the "casual" definition or behaviour. This new audience Nintendo is focusing on is NON-GAMERS. They want people who don't care about videogames, or who may have never played videogames before, to now suddenly buy in. It has worked but only temporarily. The stories seem to be that this audience is buying the Wii for maybe one of two things (like Wii sports or Wii fit) and then once they get bored with those, never really play it again. That isn't casual gamer...that is a non-gamer buying into the latest fad.

This guy has absolutely hit the nail on the head in my opinion.

and what you write wont change anything either, but hey... hardcore gamers are better at whining than any other kind of gamer

ogvampire

Easy not to complain when you have no standards.

You're just here to disagree with anyone who doesn't welcome the upcoming casual orientation of the gaming market :roll: They're calling 'win buttons', functions that play the game on your behalf if it gets too difficult, an innovation these days. That's the sort of trend you are saying we should all be happy with, that and the unlimited ammo in Deus Ex 3.

If you want to play games that offer next to no challenge that's fine, just get off the back of people who want getting through a challenge to actually mean anything. Of course I shouldn't be surprised, we live in a gaming culture that will give you a achievement for just moving through the game.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

and what you write wont change anything either, but hey... hardcore gamers are better at whining than any other kind of gamer

AnnoyedDragon

Easy not to complain when you have no standards.

or if youre smart and realize that its not the end of our hobby, or hardcore gaming. but hey, more power to you and your 'standards'

You're just here to disagree with anyone who doesn't welcome the upcoming casual orientation of the gaming market :roll: They're calling 'win buttons', functions that play the game on your behalf if it gets too difficult, an innovation these days. That's the sort of trend you are saying we should all be happy with, that and the unlimited ammo in Deus Ex 3.

since when were options a bad thing? ('win button' is an option last time i checked)

If you want to play games that offer next to no challenge that's fine, just get off the back of people who want getting through a challenge to actually mean anything. Of course I shouldn't be surprised, we live in a gaming culture that will give you a achievement for just moving through the game.

there are plenty of challenging games. so i dont see what your problem is.... whatever game you wanted to play, im sure there is a mod of it to make it more difficult. OR you could learn to mod games yourself so that you would stop complaining