You can look, but you can't touch. HFW Burning Shores visuals dumpsters everything on the market. DF Analysis.

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#1 hardwenzen
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Best clouds system in the gaming industry.
Extreme up close detail.
Incredible geometry detail, something CP2077 doesn't have nor will ever have.
Amazing lighting without the need of RT.
DF calls it S P E C T A C U L A R looking. 12tflops for what? A 4090 for what? You can experience these groundbreaking visuals for only $400.

Without Sony, gaming would still be in the stone age era, exactly where Nintendo is currently at.😎
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Simply put, Sony studios are incredibly talented.

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@hardwenzen said:

Best clouds system in the gaming industry.

Not with FS 2020 around. Contender for second place though.

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@Juub1990 said:
@hardwenzen said:

Best clouds system in the gaming industry.

Not with FS 2020 around. Contender for second place though.

Lets be real here, its not a game.

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@Juub1990 said:
@hardwenzen said:

Best clouds system in the gaming industry.

Not with FS 2020 around. Contender for second place though.

True.

@hardwenzen said:
@Juub1990 said:
@hardwenzen said:

Best clouds system in the gaming industry.

Not with FS 2020 around. Contender for second place though.

Lets be real here, its not a game.

Burning Shores is not a game. It's DLC. And it's burning because it's a dumpster fire.

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Another DF video posted by hardwerzen, what a shock.

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#6  Edited By hardwenzen
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@madsnakehhh said:

Another DF video posted by hardwerzen, what a shock.

I will be in charge of their TotK analysis. Be ready.

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Dynamic 4K/30FPS with dips without RT or Dynamic 1800p/60FPS without RT. Yikes! Can you ask them to use the SSD more?

Baked lighting, mostly static world, no realtime GI of any kind, less geometry than CP2077. Yup, definitely a Sony game still mostly relying on almost 2 decades old techniques.

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lol 30 fps with dips.

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@zaryia said:

lol 30 fps with dips.

yea I no longer consider this a playable frame rate.

will wait for the eventual PC release, then subsequent patches to fix the fucked up performance, then get the graphics and frame rate

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@with_teeth26 said:
@zaryia said:

lol 30 fps with dips.

yea I no longer consider this a playable frame rate.

will wait for the eventual PC release, then subsequent patches to fix the fucked up performance, then get the graphics and frame rate

Same. I saw HFW go on sale and almost jump on it but decided to wait for PC version as I got more games to play for a year and still need to clear some of my gaming collection anyway. Sony knows the first Horizon game sold so well, they'd be fools to not release HFW on PC.

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I'm not a fan of the art style and the lighting makes the characters look like they're toys recorded with a green screen. But it is an impressive looking game no doubt.

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HFW is a bigger dumpster than any games. Sony try to make open world but they make it an open dumpster!! 😁

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@kathaariancode: The character looks like you find her in a dumpster too!! 🤢

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@pc_rocks said:

Dynamic 4K/30FPS with dips without RT or Dynamic 1800p/60FPS without RT. Yikes! Can you ask them to use the SSD more?

Baked lighting, mostly static world, no realtime GI of any kind, less geometry than CP2077. Yup, definitely a Sony game still mostly relying on almost 2 decades old techniques.

You forgot shimmering, clipping, halo character lighting, drastic pop-in, glitches and bugs.

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#15 Macutchi
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looks stunning. loved the og game, wish i enjoyed forbidden west but just couldnt click with it. dem clouds tho

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@hardwenzen said:
@madsnakehhh said:

Another DF video posted by hardwerzen, what a shock.

I will be in charge of their TotK analysis. Be ready.

I couldn't care any less ... i'll be playing Street Fighter VI if you must know, so unless DF makes a colaboration with guys like Max, Jwong or Smug, i won't pay any attention to it.

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#17 getyeryayasout
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Graphics were never the problem with this franchise. It's a verbose snoozefest aside from the moment to moment combat, which I enjoy. I can't skip past the dialog fast enough though.

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@hardwenzen: Imagine shilling the graphics of a series you hate, funny stuff. Shouldn't you be playing RE4R, I mean you claimed to have bought it and yet you're here hmmm.

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@last_lap said:

@hardwenzen: Imagine shilling the graphics of a series you hate, funny stuff. Shouldn't you be playing RE4R, I mean you claimed to have bought it and yet you're here hmmm.

I haven't played it yesterday, but i will be playing it today and the weekend. What about it?

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#20 hardwenzen
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@pc_rocks: I hope you now understand how incredibly important geometry detail is. Your CP2077 looks pathetic in comparison.

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#21 PCLover1980
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You should try the pathtracing update on CP2077. The game is 2 years older than Horizon but the lighting and visuals are just better in most areas than HFW.

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#22  Edited By lamprey263
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Though not having to design the DLC around PS4's limitations helped improve visual quality, it doesn't appear to be a major one. HFW was already technically impressive before hand, this bump feels marginal, and done at the expense of people who could have purchased the DLC on PS4 that don't have PS5s. Worth it? Honestly, can't say myself. That's really up for Sony to decide anyways as I'm sure that's what they had to weigh when they made the decision. That being said I feel this game's PR value has pretty much run its course last year. But for fans of the game with a PS5, it's something to feel good about.

But my feelings about the DLC mostly surround the other reactions to it. The game seems to be getting the most attention by anti-wokeness cultural warriors who knee-jerk react to anything that gives the slightest hint of inclusiveness or threatens the status quo. Seems to be what has spearheaded the game's review bombing on MetaCritic. Even as a big phat filthy lemming who'd look for any excuse to twist the nipples of of the easy to upset bovine brigade, I'll have to pull my punches here.

Even myopically looking at this from my own perspective as a straight male, I just don't get all the lesbian hate. Seems most compulsively heterosexual men are turned on by lesbians, or at least the male fantasy depiction of it. I would imagine something as simple as the lesbian kiss I see mentioned constantly is probably palatable to a large portion of the game's audience.

Regardless, this seems to be an issue overshadowing a large aspect of this DLC's release. Quite possibly not much attention will be paid to the visual improvements in Burning Shores, or even the obvious fact a revered game has a new expansion, as that's just going to become background noise to the bigger issue that's sucking all the oxygen out of the room.

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@lamprey263: I didn't know the DLC was getting review bomb by anti-woke folks. I am not sure why it would. Is the DLC different from the core game?

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@Pedro: there's a lesbian kiss in there somewhere, and that's all it took, though not surprising with the people who go off rails over that kind of stuff

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@hardwenzen: So instead of playing a game you allegedly bought, you're on here shilling a games (that you hate) graphics, hmmm.

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@last_lap said:

@hardwenzen: So instead of playing a game you allegedly bought, you're on here shilling a games (that you hate) graphics, hmmm.

Haven't played it yet, calm yo tits

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@hardwenzen: Yeah we all shill games we hate while we leave games we bought (allegedly) sitting on the shelf unplayed 🤣

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@last_lap said:

@hardwenzen: Yeah we all shill games we hate while we leave games we bought (allegedly) sitting on the shelf unplayed 🤣

I am on chapter 5, so you need to calm your little tits.

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#29  Edited By Pedro
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@Pedro: there's a lesbian kiss in there somewhere, and that's all it took, though not surprising with the people who go off rails over that kind of stuff

These woke alarmists are a special breed. I thought they found her ugly, so why would they care if she is a lesbian. It is as if they just want to complain about something for the sake of complaining. These are also the same folks who argue "Developers should be allowed to make the game they want." when they really mean "Developers should only make the games I want."

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#30 firedrakes
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well then. going to bleach my eyes now....

@hardwenzen said:
@last_lap said:

@hardwenzen: So instead of playing a game you allegedly bought, you're on here shilling a games (that you hate) graphics, hmmm.

Haven't played it yet, calm yo tits

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@hardwenzen: So you went from haven't played it yet to chapter 5 in a hour, its been another 2hrs so you've probably finished it by now and halfway through your second playthrough 🤣

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Oh lord, the incel tards are at it again? Because of two girls kissing? 🤣 There's no patience left.

The most surprising to me is the pop in, I was told that thanks to the SSD that wouldn't happen. Seeing it happening on a release specially tailored for the PS5 is unexpected.

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@last_lap said:

@hardwenzen: So you went from haven't played it yet to chapter 5 in a hour, its been another 2hrs so you've probably finished it by now and halfway through your second playthrough 🤣

You keep talking about random shit. What is going on with you? Overheated in your desert or what's up?

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@hardwenzen: You can't keep.track of the conversation and ask if i'm overheated, yikes.

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@hardwenzen: You can't keep.track of the conversation and ask if i'm overheated, yikes.

My whole feed is spammed with your ass quoting me. Most of them i don't even read because i don't know anymore what i've read and what i didn't. Go wrestle with a Kangaroo or something. Shieeet.

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Oh lord, the incel tards are at it again? Because of two girls kissing? 🤣 There's no patience left.

The most surprising to me is the pop in, I was told that thanks to the SSD that wouldn't happen. Seeing it happening on a release specially tailored for the PS5 is unexpected.

Well, its not exactly a ps5 title, so the SSD has an excuse for this time around.

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@hardwenzen: You can't follow a simple conversation, one minute you haven't played RE4R and the next you're at chapter 5 lol

Now that i'm home from work i'm off to play some games, its been fun wasting your time 🤣

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@Pedro said:

These woke alarmists are a special breed. I thought they found her ugly, so why would they care if she is a lesbian. It is as if they just want to complain about something for the sake of complaining. These are also the same folks who argue "Developers should be allowed to make the game they want." when they really mean "Developers should only make the games I want."

They can feel as entitled as they want to, but as far as depictions of lesbians in games go, their palatability among heterosexual males is entirely done with considerations of their hegemony in mind. That's about as far as these exercises of diversity and inclusion from companies who proport to embody those values stops, safely within sensibilities of heterosexual male fetishization of lesbians, because it's extremely safe.

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Cool. If only the game was good.

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#40  Edited By BassMan
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The game looks great, but definitely has a stylized look. The lighting and many of the shaders are not realistic at all and is more similar to a CG animated movie. This is not a bad thing per say, but not as impressive on a technical level like CP2077 RT Overdrive.

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#41  Edited By hardwenzen
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@BassMan said:

The game looks great, but definitely has a stylized look. The lighting and many of the shaders are not realistic at all and is more similar to a CG animated movie. This is not a bad thing per say, but not as impressive on a technical level like CP2077 RT Overdrive.

Unless we're talking about some cheap ass pixel art that every indie studio uses cuz its easy to do so, why do you care about the art style when it comes to an impressive looking game? Stylized or not, it crushes CP2077 with RT Overdrive, and without it, it makes Cp2077 look like a toy in comparison.

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#42 The_Deepblue
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Horizon?

More like BORErizon, ammirite?

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This game continues to make non-Sony fans extremely jealous. To think I didn’t need a $10,000 PC to play this is remarkable.

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@The_Deepblue said:

Horizon?

More like BORErizon, ammirite?

Its a shit game alright, but nobody is talking about its gameplay. Their visuals/engine is what's crushing the competition.

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@hardwenzen: lol no

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#46  Edited By BassMan
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@hardwenzen said:
@BassMan said:

The game looks great, but definitely has a stylized look. The lighting and many of the shaders are not realistic at all and is more similar to a CG animated movie. This is not a bad thing per say, but not as impressive on a technical level like CP2077 RT Overdrive.

Unless we're talking about some cheap ass pixel art that every indie studio uses cuz its easy to do so, why do you care about the art style when it comes to an impressive looking game? Stylized or not, it crushes CP2077 with RT Overdrive, and without it, it makes Cp2077 look like a toy in comparison.

It doesn't crush it. Both games have strengths and weaknesses. Also, there are plenty of other great looking games available. The average AAA game looks very good these days. This is not like back in the day where games were clearly setting new benchmarks as 3D graphics were evolving at a rapid pace. It is now a much slower evolution with less major differences between the best looking games. Also, CP 2077 is an older game that was targeting to run on last gen consoles. So, they did not go all out with asset fidelity. RT Overdrive was a modular update to their rendering system made to work with the existing game. It looks very impressive regardless.

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@Pedro said:
@lamprey263 said:

@Pedro: there's a lesbian kiss in there somewhere, and that's all it took, though not surprising with the people who go off rails over that kind of stuff

These woke alarmists are a special breed. I thought they found her ugly, so why would they care if she is a lesbian. It is as if they just want to complain about something for the sake of complaining. These are also the same folks who argue "Developers should be allowed to make the game they want." when they really mean "Developers should only make the games I want."

These people are so inconsistent.

Mario Movie: Represents Peach in a position of Power. The Woke Alarmists started whining about it.
Then the Mario movie ends up breaking all sorts of records. And now the same guys are claiming the movie is anti-woke.

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#48 hardwenzen
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@BassMan said:
@hardwenzen said:
@BassMan said:

The game looks great, but definitely has a stylized look. The lighting and many of the shaders are not realistic at all and is more similar to a CG animated movie. This is not a bad thing per say, but not as impressive on a technical level like CP2077 RT Overdrive.

Unless we're talking about some cheap ass pixel art that every indie studio uses cuz its easy to do so, why do you care about the art style when it comes to an impressive looking game? Stylized or not, it crushes CP2077 with RT Overdrive, and without it, it makes Cp2077 look like a toy in comparison.

It doesn't crush it. Both games have strengths and weaknesses. Also, there are plenty of other great looking games available. The average AAA game looks very good these days. This is not like back in the day where games were clearly setting new benchmarks as 3D graphics were evolving at a rapid pace. It is now a much slower evolution with less major differences between the best looking games. Also, CP 2077 is an older game that was targeting to run on last gen consoles. So, they did not go all out with asset fidelity. RT Overdrive was a modular update to their rendering system made to work with the existing game. It looks very impressive regardless.

It does crush it, stop being in denial. CP2077 looks like a 2016 game with super demanding lighting. Burning Shores looks like a game from 2023. Massive difference between the two. Imagine how spectacular BS would look like with RT overdrive. It would literally be the new Crysis for many years to come.

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#49  Edited By BassMan
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@hardwenzen said:
@BassMan said:
@hardwenzen said:
@BassMan said:

The game looks great, but definitely has a stylized look. The lighting and many of the shaders are not realistic at all and is more similar to a CG animated movie. This is not a bad thing per say, but not as impressive on a technical level like CP2077 RT Overdrive.

Unless we're talking about some cheap ass pixel art that every indie studio uses cuz its easy to do so, why do you care about the art style when it comes to an impressive looking game? Stylized or not, it crushes CP2077 with RT Overdrive, and without it, it makes Cp2077 look like a toy in comparison.

It doesn't crush it. Both games have strengths and weaknesses. Also, there are plenty of other great looking games available. The average AAA game looks very good these days. This is not like back in the day where games were clearly setting new benchmarks as 3D graphics were evolving at a rapid pace. It is now a much slower evolution with less major differences between the best looking games. Also, CP 2077 is an older game that was targeting to run on last gen consoles. So, they did not go all out with asset fidelity. RT Overdrive was a modular update to their rendering system made to work with the existing game. It looks very impressive regardless.

It does crush it, stop being in denial. CP2077 looks like a 2016 game with super demanding lighting. Burning Shores looks like a game from 2023. Massive difference between the two. Imagine how spectacular BS would look like with RT overdrive. It would literally be the new Crysis for many years to come.

I think you forget how good games from 2016 could look. Here is Star Wars Battlefront from 2015 using photogrammetry like they are using a lot of in Burning Skies.

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It still looks great to this day. Also, keep dreaming about path tracing for Horizon. Maybe if Sony is feeling generous for the PC release, we may see something similar, but highly unlikely because they don't want to make the PS5 look too bad.

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#50 hardwenzen
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The game looks great, but definitely has a stylized look. The lighting and many of the shaders are not realistic at all and is more similar to a CG animated movie. This is not a bad thing per say, but not as impressive on a technical level like CP2077 RT Overdrive.

Unless we're talking about some cheap ass pixel art that every indie studio uses cuz its easy to do so, why do you care about the art style when it comes to an impressive looking game? Stylized or not, it crushes CP2077 with RT Overdrive, and without it, it makes Cp2077 look like a toy in comparison.

It doesn't crush it. Both games have strengths and weaknesses. Also, there are plenty of other great looking games available. The average AAA game looks very good these days. This is not like back in the day where games were clearly setting new benchmarks as 3D graphics were evolving at a rapid pace. It is now a much slower evolution with less major differences between the best looking games. Also, CP 2077 is an older game that was targeting to run on last gen consoles. So, they did not go all out with asset fidelity. RT Overdrive was a modular update to their rendering system made to work with the existing game. It looks very impressive regardless.

It does crush it, stop being in denial. CP2077 looks like a 2016 game with super demanding lighting. Burning Shores looks like a game from 2023. Massive difference between the two. Imagine how spectacular BS would look like with RT overdrive. It would literally be the new Crysis for many years to come.

I think you forget how good games from 2016 could look. Here is Star Wars Battlefront from 2015 using photogrammetry like they are using a lot of in Burning Skies.

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It still looks great to this day.

Well yea, photogrammetry looks nice, but there's no interaction with anything, everything is static, which isn't the case in BS.