You can't compare PCs to Consoles...

i agree, ps, ps2 and ps3 should all be counted as one :D

*runs away*

Without including PS, PS2, XBOX, Gamecube.. Thats not even including Snes,Nes,Atari,N64, etc. Seriously, stop comparing 10+ years of PC games(such as SC) to current generation consoles. It's not a fair comparison, unless you include previous generations. A better comparison would be the last 5-6 years of PC games, to PS3/Wii/360. Not the last +10 years of PC games to the last 5 years of consoles. So PS,PS2,PS3, XBOX,XBOX 360, Gamecube, Wii have a better library and higher rated exclusives, and generated a ton of more revenue, then the last 10+ years of PC games. PS2 alone has probably generated more revenue, and higher rated exclusives to the PC.roflumadkid

you didn't know that we only go by pc games since the launch of the 360?

i agree, ps, ps2 and ps3 should all be counted as one :D

*runs away*

iMojo786_PSN

Seems like a personal problem to me. Its just one of the many, many, many reasons why PC>all

[QUOTE="roflumadkid"]Without including PS, PS2, XBOX, Gamecube.. Thats not even including Snes,Nes,Atari,N64, etc. Seriously, stop comparing 10+ years of PC games(such as SC) to current generation consoles. It's not a fair comparison, unless you include previous generations. A better comparison would be the last 5-6 years of PC games, to PS3/Wii/360. Not the last +10 years of PC games to the last 5 years of consoles. So PS,PS2,PS3, XBOX,XBOX 360, Gamecube, Wii have a better library and higher rated exclusives, and generated a ton of more revenue, then the last 10+ years of PC games. PS2 alone has probably generated more revenue, and higher rated exclusives to the PC.CaseyWegner

you didn't know that we only pc games since the launch of the 360?

And people never played consoles before the 360/PS3?

In exclusive arguments we only use games from the launch of the 360 to now. We only use older games when saying PC has a massive advantage in backwards compatibility. ferret-gamer

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]In exclusive arguments we only use games from the launch of the 360 to now. We only use older games when saying PC has a massive advantage in backwards compatibility. roflumadkid

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]In exclusive arguments we only use games from the launch of the 360 to now. We only use older games when saying PC has a massive advantage in backwards compatibility. roflumadkid

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="roflumadkid"]Without including PS, PS2, XBOX, Gamecube.. Thats not even including Snes,Nes,Atari,N64, etc. Seriously, stop comparing 10+ years of PC games(such as SC) to current generation consoles. It's not a fair comparison, unless you include previous generations. A better comparison would be the last 5-6 years of PC games, to PS3/Wii/360. Not the last +10 years of PC games to the last 5 years of consoles. So PS,PS2,PS3, XBOX,XBOX 360, Gamecube, Wii have a better library and higher rated exclusives, and generated a ton of more revenue, then the last 10+ years of PC games. PS2 alone has probably generated more revenue, and higher rated exclusives to the PC.magnax1

you didn't know that we only pc games since the launch of the 360?

And people never played consoles before the 360/PS3?

Your point has nothing to do with his post.

[QUOTE="roflumadkid"][QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]In exclusive arguments we only use games from the launch of the 360 to now. We only use older games when saying PC has a massive advantage in backwards compatibility. DragonfireXZ95

No, in most arguments pc gamers don't usually bring up games made before 04.

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="roflumadkid"] No. I've never seen a PC gamer try and boast backwards compatibility. They always use the "we have a overall better library", including games that are 12+ years old such as SC. Which is not a fair comparison at all.roflumadkid

No, in most arguments pc gamers don't usually bring up games made before 04.

It is fair, its not the PC's fault that consoles aren't good enough for backwards compatibility.

[QUOTE="magnax1"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

you didn't know that we only pc games since the launch of the 360?

Espada12

And people never played consoles before the 360/PS3?

Your point has nothing to do with his post.

Yeah it does. There were console games before 360/PS3 just like there were PC games.

Yeah it does. There were console games before 360/PS3 just like there were PC games.

magnax1

We only count games from when the 360 released.....

[QUOTE="magnax1"]

Yeah it does. There were console games before 360/PS3 just like there were PC games.

Espada12

We only count games from when the 360 released.....

Well thats fine if you do it both ways, but if you're going to talk about games before 05 on PC, then might as well go back to PS2/GC/Xbox, or even further.

[QUOTE="magnax1"]

Yeah it does. There were console games before 360/PS3 just like there were PC games.

Espada12

We only count games from when the 360 released.....

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="magnax1"]

Yeah it does. There were console games before 360/PS3 just like there were PC games.

roflumadkid

We only count games from when the 360 released.....

Um.. we are counting generations....

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="magnax1"]

Yeah it does. There were console games before 360/PS3 just like there were PC games.

roflumadkid

We only count games from when the 360 released.....

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="magnax1"]

Yeah it does. There were console games before 360/PS3 just like there were PC games.

roflumadkid

We only count games from when the 360 released.....

[QUOTE="roflumadkid"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

We only count games from when the 360 released.....

Espada12

Um.. we are counting generations....

[QUOTE="roflumadkid"][QUOTE="Espada12"]We only count games from when the 360 released.....110million

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="roflumadkid"] And that is exactly the problem. Consoles =/= 360,PS3,Wii. Gamecube,PS2, XBOX, etc. They are also consoles.roflumadkid

Um.. we are counting generations....

PC works by generations here. A generation starts when the first new console of the next gen is release, which in this case was the 360.

Maybe you should stop with the one liners and actually explain what you're talking about.roflumadkid

Maybe you should actually have an idea of what you're arguing against.

Nearly EVERY thread that has the PC involved is *only* counting games starting since the 360 launched. Other comparisons like sales comparisons are impossible to judge how many copies were sold since 2005. We only have the figures reported by news. Its usually in counter to "Well blah blah console game sold more than blah blah PC game." to which the response is "no, it sold X millions, heres a link."

Even if you cry that "its not fair" the point is that some of those games ARE STILL SELLING TO THIS DAY and those are the only figures we have, until MS decides to release updated figures - which they are going to - because Halo 3 isnt selling so well any more because console gamers are fickle.

[QUOTE="roflumadkid"] Maybe you should stop with the one liners and actually explain what you're talking about.XaosII

Maybe you should actually have an idea of what you're arguing against.

Nearly EVERY thread that has the PC involved is *only* counting games starting since the 360 launched. Other comparisons like sales comparisons are impossible to judge how many copies were sold since 2005. We only have the figures reported by news. Its usually in counter to "Well blah blah console game sold more than blah blah PC game." to which the response is "no, it sold X millions, heres a link."

Even if you cry that "its not fair" the point is that some of those games ARE STILL SELLING TO THIS DAY and those are the only figures we have, until MS decides to release updated figures - which they are going to - because Halo 3 isnt selling so well any more because console gamers are fickle.

Well considering I can play a massive amount of older games on my PC while I cannot play very many older games on my Xbox 360 (and that requires emulation) and then, it actually plays *worse* than it does on an original Xbox. and as for the PS3, it only runs PS1 games these days and that's only emulation to my understanding. If you still own an older PS3 then sure, PS2 games count but they sure aren't any better than they were on the PS2. The PC on the other hand, plays older games *better* than they did years ago on older hardware and you can buy them on sites such as GOG.com and on Steam for very cheap prices. I know for sure I consider backwards compatability when I buy a console and when I bought a Wii, I sold my Gamecube as I no longer needed it (and the money helped me buy a game for it) and I bought an Xbox 360 over a Playstation 3 due to it's backwards compatabilty (there's a lot of great Xbox Games I never got around to), often-better multiplats and cheaper price.

"PS2 alone has probably generated more revenue, and higher rated exclusives to the PC."

Yeah right XD

"So PS,PS2,PS3, XBOX,XBOX 360, Gamecube, Wii have a better library and higher rated exclusives, and generated a ton of more revenue, then the last 10+ years of PC games."

Apart from the Xbox, you forgot a whole load of other consoles in which the companies that owned right to them actually *lost* money, you might want to look at how many PCs get sold yearly once in a while...

http://www.game-newswire.com/index.php/the-news/232.html
"Among the key findings: Annual shipment volumes for the PC Gaming hardware market in 2009 were over two times larger than the combined Wii™, PlayStation®2, PlayStation®3 and Xbox 360®console units shipped in the same period."

Now, remember that every PC sold is actually a gain in profit, unlike the PS3, Xbox, Xbox 360 and I wouldn't be surprised if at some point the PS2/1 were being sold at a loss.
Console-making companies make most money these days off of software and licenses agreements.

PC game developers make more money per game sold compared to console game developers thanks to it being an open platform and especially these days, with DD.

I know exactly what I'm arguing against. Apparently the gamespot spreadsheet, only includes 2005+ games and I'll just that against PC gamers when they start bringing up SC. /threadroflumadkid

Tell you what: Why dont YOU give us a breakdown of the sales of the game year by year?

Until then, thats all either side has.

I think the OP is just mad that 10+ year old pc games not only match but surpass the quality level of console games.

I can walk into a store, buy, and play Starcraft on a current PC. Can you play a game from the mid 90's on your 360/PS3? No? Okay then. The difference is, to be able to do what I can do on a PC, playing all of the old games, would require you to have 10+ separate consoles. Besides, we compare from the beginning of the 360. I can understand how you may think otherwise, cause the PC has had so many titles since then. But do your research.

We actually only compare since the release of the 360 LOL.

Research fail.

Outside of Portal and Railworks, the rest of the games I play are at least 4 years old with the oldest being almost 9 years old.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="magnax1"]

Yeah it does. There were console games before 360/PS3 just like there were PC games.

magnax1

We only count games from when the 360 released.....

Well thats fine if you do it both ways, but if you're going to talk about games before 05 on PC, then might as well go back to PS2/GC/Xbox, or even further.

but we don't talk about games from before 2005 so what's the problem? :?

[QUOTE="XaosII"]

[QUOTE="roflumadkid"] Maybe you should stop with the one liners and actually explain what you're talking about.roflumadkid

Maybe you should actually have an idea of what you're arguing against.

Nearly EVERY thread that has the PC involved is *only* counting games starting since the 360 launched. Other comparisons like sales comparisons are impossible to judge how many copies were sold since 2005. We only have the figures reported by news. Its usually in counter to "Well blah blah console game sold more than blah blah PC game." to which the response is "no, it sold X millions, heres a link."

Even if you cry that "its not fair" the point is that some of those games ARE STILL SELLING TO THIS DAY and those are the only figures we have, until MS decides to release updated figures - which they are going to - because Halo 3 isnt selling so well any more because console gamers are fickle.

well then you aren't going to have many opportunities to do that.

'04 was when Half-Life 2 came out. Before that was the PC gaming dark ages.:)

I think the OP saw a reply in some other thread that represents all PC gamers.

Without including PS, PS2, XBOX, Gamecube.. Thats not even including Snes,Nes,Atari,N64, etc. Seriously, stop comparing 10+ years of PC games(such as SC) to current generation consoles. It's not a fair comparison, unless you include previous generations. A better comparison would be the last 5-6 years of PC games, to PS3/Wii/360. Not the last +10 years of PC games to the last 5 years of consoles. So PS,PS2,PS3, XBOX,XBOX 360, Gamecube, Wii have a better library and higher rated exclusives, and generated a ton of more revenue, then the last 10+ years of PC games. PS2 alone has probably generated more revenue, and higher rated exclusives to the PC.roflumadkid

Even if you include all those consoles the PC still has more high scoring exclusives (if you count all the previous gens)

The slaughter would only be bloodier.

Thing is, though, I can still play games from 1995 on my 2010 PC. The most I sometimes need to do is to download something like DOSbox. Not every PS3 is backwards compatible, though, and only certain games of the original Xbox are playable on the 360. Things like XBLA and the VC may be taken into account, but then we must also take Steam into account with its ungodly amount of downloadable classics.

(...)Seriously, stop comparing 10+ years of PC games(such as SC) to current generation consoles. It's not a fair comparison(...)roflumadkid

[QUOTE="roflumadkid"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

We only count games from when the 360 released.....

110million

This is System Wars, you don't come here to discuss what's "fair", that's irrelevant and naive. Let's say I'm considering buying a PC vs console today. I'll take into account ALL advantages any platform has, I won't simply exclude some advantages a certain platform has just to make it fair.

Otherwise you can pull the fairness card any time, example:

Consolite: I like to play on the couch so consoles have that advantage.
Hermit: That's not fair because KB/Mouse is not meant to be played on the couch, so let's exclude this from the discussion!

See how dumb this sounds?