You can't compare PCs to Consoles...

Fanboys are fanboys.....

TC hates the PC so much I guess he's browsing the forums from his 360.

Do some more research before making more of your "valid" points again TC.

It's not just the PC which touts backward compatbility. Even Nintendo understands the value of being able to play older games. That's one reason why the DS has outsold the PSP. A couple generations of games aren't rendered obsolete simply because the owner moved to a newer handheld. My daughter knows this very well. She's been a Gameboy fanatic since the Gameboy Advance days. Even the PSP and Wii have the capability to play older games and officially sanctioned by Sony and Nintendo although they're more dependent on digital downloads.

The PC just happens to have the bigger library of older games since it's been around longer. An advantage is an advantage. It's not meant to be fair. Why should the PC have to fight with one hand tied behind its back just to accommodate comparison with consoles?

(...)The only way to be fair to EVERYONE is if PC is compared since the 360's launch(...)110million

Is that why hermits trow imgs of PC games with graphics only possible withtodaysgraphic cards?
The graphics cards that were around when 360 was released can barely run any of the latest games, all that eye candy hermits love to show off in pictures goes away for frame rate sake with gpus that old.

IMO some games that are coming this year for PC wont even run with a decent frame rate on graphic cards that old even with everything on minimum.

Without including PS, PS2, XBOX, Gamecube.. Thats not even including Snes,Nes,Atari,N64, etc. Seriously, stop comparing 10+ years of PC games(such as SC) to current generation consoles. It's not a fair comparison, unless you include previous generations. A better comparison would be the last 5-6 years of PC games, to PS3/Wii/360. Not the last +10 years of PC games to the last 5 years of consoles. So PS,PS2,PS3, XBOX,XBOX 360, Gamecube, Wii have a better library and higher rated exclusives, and generated a ton of more revenue, then the last 10+ years of PC games. PS2 alone has probably generated more revenue, and higher rated exclusives to the PC.roflumadkid

dont agree pc got a lot of ports in the past even more than now

[QUOTE="ArisShadows"] Why would you need to count Starcraft, when you have its sequal.markop2003

He didn't say that. He meant why would you argue with a game that came out during a previous generation when we have a sequel, that is just as good, that came out this generation and thus doesn't have console gamers complaining about unfairness.

[QUOTE="110million"](...)The only way to be fair to EVERYONE is if PC is compared since the 360's launch(...)Kane04

Is that why hermits trow imgs of PC games with graphics only possible withtodaysgraphic cards?
The graphics cards that were around when 360 was released can barely run any of the latest games, all that eye candy hermits love to show off in pictures goes away for frame rate sake with gpus that old.

IMO some games that are coming this year for PC wont even run with a decent frame rate on graphic cards that old even with everything on minimum.

Wut.

So we should only count games that can run on graphics cards that came out when the 360 was around? Are you serious? :lol:

you didn't know that we only go by pc games since the launch of the 360?

CaseyWegner

/thread end

Seriously TC, you should get a clue. Nobody ever mentioned SC when comparing libraries.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

you didn't know that we only go by pc games since the launch of the 360?

N30F3N1X

/thread end

Seriously TC, you should get a clue. Nobody ever mentioned SC when comparing libraries.

[QUOTE="Kane04"]

[QUOTE="110million"](...)The only way to be fair to EVERYONE is if PC is compared since the 360's launch(...)TreyoftheDead

Is that why hermits trow imgs of PC games with graphics only possible withtodaysgraphic cards?
The graphics cards that were around when 360 was released can barely run any of the latest games, all that eye candy hermits love to show off in pictures goes away for frame rate sake with gpus that old.

IMO some games that are coming this year for PC wont even run with a decent frame rate on graphic cards that old even with everything on minimum.

Wut.

So we should only count games that can run on graphics cards that came out when the 360 was around? Are you serious? :lol:

[QUOTE="roflumadkid"][QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]In exclusive arguments we only use games from the launch of the 360 to now. We only use older games when saying PC has a massive advantage in backwards compatibility. SAGE_OF_FIRE

So the PC fanatics should only compare a small part of their game library instead of it's whole game library, like the Xbox 360 and PS3 fanboys do? Boy, that sure makes sense.

[QUOTE="roflumadkid"]Without including PS, PS2, XBOX, Gamecube.. Thats not even including Snes,Nes,Atari,N64, etc. Seriously, stop comparing 10+ years of PC games(such as SC) to current generation consoles. It's not a fair comparison, unless you include previous generations. A better comparison would be the last 5-6 years of PC games, to PS3/Wii/360. Not the last +10 years of PC games to the last 5 years of consoles. So PS,PS2,PS3, XBOX,XBOX 360, Gamecube, Wii have a better library and higher rated exclusives, and generated a ton of more revenue, then the last 10+ years of PC games. PS2 alone has probably generated more revenue, and higher rated exclusives to the PC.CaseyWegner

you didn't know that we only go by pc games since the launch of the 360?

/thread :P

Thing is, though, I can still play games from 1995 on my 2010 PC. The most I sometimes need to do is to download something like DOSbox. Not every PS3 is backwards compatible, though, and only certain games of the original Xbox are playable on the 360. Things like XBLA and the VC may be taken into account, but then we must also take Steam into account with its ungodly amount of downloadable classics.

DraugenCP

Are we playing B/C wars now? PS3 can't play PS2 games and the 360 has rather little, not to mention discontinued, B/C.

And we're only counting since the 360 laucnh.

Are we playing B/C wars now? PS3 can't play PS2 games and the 360 has rather little, not to mention discontinued, B/C.

And we're only counting since the 360 laucnh.

Filthybastrd

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

Are we playing B/C wars now? PS3 can't play PS2 games and the 360 has rather little, not to mention discontinued, B/C.

And we're only counting since the 360 laucnh.

ianuilliam

My 2007 PC can play every PC game and use the big "E".

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

Are we playing B/C wars now? PS3 can't play PS2 games and the 360 has rather little, not to mention discontinued, B/C.

And we're only counting since the 360 laucnh.

AdrianWerner

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]In exclusive arguments we only use games from the launch of the 360 to now. We only use older games when saying PC has a massive advantage in backwards compatibility. roflumadkid

Those 12+ year old games can be radically changed with mods to not only look graphics but change the actual gameplay..

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]Just for arguments sake, some PS3's can play ps2 games just like only SOME pcs can play all pc games...

ianuilliam

Wrong!

Just name about any PC game and I bet a 7800GT will still be able to play it.

The card was released around the time of the Xbox 360.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]Just for arguments sake, some PS3's can play ps2 games just like only SOME pcs can play all pc games...

ianuilliam

Also I would like to mention that Macs can use the windows OS to play all the PC games.

And there are many times more gaming PCs out there than PS3s that can even run the newest games out.

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]Wrong, majoriry of PCs can play all pc games and few PS3s can play ps2 games. Those are nowhere near comparable.

Hakkai007

Wrong!

Just name about any PC game and I bet a 7800GT will still be able to play it.

The card was released around the time of the Xbox 360.

Not to mention a video card that sells for liek $100 (the Radeon 4850) can play any game out there right now at high settings and beyond, including Crysis.

My 2007 PC can play every PC game and use the big "E".

Hakkai007

I can play 20 years worth of games on my PC, many of which at native 'hd' resolutions.
I can't play 20 years worth of games on my PS3, Wii or Xbox 360.

So if you can't win in backwards compatibility then change your argument to:

So PS,PS2,PS3, XBOX,XBOX 360, Gamecube, Wii have a better library and higher rated exclusives roflumadkid

If all else fails, fall back on your own sales speculations. Because that will work right?

PS2 alone has probably generated more revenue, and higher rated exclusives to the PC.roflumadkid

Angsty system wars users. Reaching new lows.

Grow up.

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]Wrong, majoriry of PCs can play all pc games and few PS3s can play ps2 games. Those are nowhere near comparable.

Hakkai007

Wrong!

Just name about any PC game and I bet a 7800GT will still be able to play it.

The card was released around the time of the Xbox 360.

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]No, the VAST number of pcs out there cannot play games from the past year or two. Even the majority of pcs sold since the beginning of this gen probably can't play the latest pc games. And all ps3s prior to the slim can play ps2 games. Also, Macs (they're pcs too!!!!) can't play the vast majority of pc games, even if they are the newest top of the line mac.I'd be willing to bet there's a bigger percentage of ps3s out of total ps3s that are bc than there are pcs that can play all the latest pc games out of total pcs.

ianuilliam

Wrong!

Just name about any PC game and I bet a 7800GT will still be able to play it.

The card was released around the time of the Xbox 360.

... Except if your uninformed and don't bother to spend 5 minutes to look at what type of video card they have.. This is a pretty lame excuse, especially when the pc is cheaper then it has ever been..

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]No, the VAST number of pcs out there cannot play games from the past year or two. Even the majority of pcs sold since the beginning of this gen probably can't play the latest pc games. And all ps3s prior to the slim can play ps2 games. Also, Macs (they're pcs too!!!!) can't play the vast majority of pc games, even if they are the newest top of the line mac.I'd be willing to bet there's a bigger percentage of ps3s out of total ps3s that are bc than there are pcs that can play all the latest pc games out of total pcs.

ianuilliam

Wrong!

Just name about any PC game and I bet a 7800GT will still be able to play it.

The card was released around the time of the Xbox 360.

Even the percent of those that are gaming PC vastly outnumber PS3s.

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

My 2007 PC can play every PC game and use the big "E".

ianuilliam

My friend's YLOD PS3 can't play any games either.

Not my fault you bought a crappy PC.

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

My 2007 PC can play every PC game and use the big "E".

ianuilliam

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]Wrong, majoriry of PCs can play all pc games and few PS3s can play ps2 games. Those are nowhere near comparable.

Hakkai007

Also I would like to mention that Macs can use the windows OS to play all the PC games.

And there are many times more gaming PCs out there than PS3s that can even run the newest games out.

And sure, there may be more "gaming pcs" than there are ps3s, but looking at percentage of the whole, a greater percentage of ps3s are bc than the percentage of pcs (that are still being used) that can play the latest pc games. Do I have proof? No. But if you honestly think otherwise, you are deluded. The vast majority of pcs in use are off the shelf models with either older model or non-existent GPUs.

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

My 2007 PC can play every PC game and use the big "E".

skrat_01

I think it's a waste of time to argue with him since he is obviously ignorant about computers.

And yet the vast majority of pcs sold don't have anything more than, say an onboard intel graphics adaptor...

ianuilliam

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]No, the VAST number of pcs out there cannot play games from the past year or two. Even the majority of pcs sold since the beginning of this gen probably can't play the latest pc games. And all ps3s prior to the slim can play ps2 games. Also, Macs (they're pcs too!!!!) can't play the vast majority of pc games, even if they are the newest top of the line mac.I'd be willing to bet there's a bigger percentage of ps3s out of total ps3s that are bc than there are pcs that can play all the latest pc games out of total pcs.

ianuilliam

Also I would like to mention that Macs can use the windows OS to play all the PC games.

And there are many times more gaming PCs out there than PS3s that can even run the newest games out.

And sure, there may be more "gaming pcs" than there are ps3s, but looking at percentage of the whole, a greater percentage of ps3s are bc than the percentage of pcs (that are still being used) that can play the latest pc games. Do I have proof? No. But if you honestly think otherwise, you are deluded. The vast majority of pcs in use are off the shelf models with either older model or non-existent GPUs.

ummm no....stop pulling stuff out of your butt.

You have no proof but if I disagree with you I am the deluded one....right......

http://software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/2010/04/19/hear-that-knocking-sound-its-pc-gaming/

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]Just for arguments sake, some PS3's can play ps2 games just like only SOME pcs can play all pc games...

ianuilliam

And all ps3s prior to the slim can play ps2 games

ianuilliam

[QUOTE="roflumadkid"]Without including PS, PS2, XBOX, Gamecube.. Thats not even including Snes,Nes,Atari,N64, etc. Seriously, stop comparing 10+ years of PC games(such as SC) to current generation consoles. It's not a fair comparison, unless you include previous generations. A better comparison would be the last 5-6 years of PC games, to PS3/Wii/360. Not the last +10 years of PC games to the last 5 years of consoles. So PS,PS2,PS3, XBOX,XBOX 360, Gamecube, Wii have a better library and higher rated exclusives, and generated a ton of more revenue, then the last 10+ years of PC games. PS2 alone has probably generated more revenue, and higher rated exclusives to the PC.CaseyWegner

you didn't know that we only go by pc games since the launch of the 360?

[QUOTE="roflumadkid"]Without including PS, PS2, XBOX, Gamecube.. Thats not even including Snes,Nes,Atari,N64, etc. Seriously, stop comparing 10+ years of PC games(such as SC) to current generation consoles. It's not a fair comparison, unless you include previous generations. A better comparison would be the last 5-6 years of PC games, to PS3/Wii/360. Not the last +10 years of PC games to the last 5 years of consoles. So PS,PS2,PS3, XBOX,XBOX 360, Gamecube, Wii have a better library and higher rated exclusives, and generated a ton of more revenue, then the last 10+ years of PC games. PS2 alone has probably generated more revenue, and higher rated exclusives to the PC.CaseyWegner

you didn't know that we only go by pc games since the launch of the 360?

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

Wrong!

Just name about any PC game and I bet a 7800GT will still be able to play it.

The card was released around the time of the Xbox 360.

sSubZerOo

... Except if your uninformed and don't bother to spend 5 minutes to look at what type of video card they have.. This is a pretty lame excuse, especially when the pc is cheaper then it has ever been..

This whole tangent has gotten out of hand. My point was, when talking about BC, excluding ps2 titles from ps3, because not all ps3s have ps2 bc, is exactly the same as excluding high-req games from PC, because not all PCs can play them.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]And yet the vast majority of pcs sold don't have anything more than, say an onboard intel graphics adaptor...

ianuilliam

... Except if your uninformed and don't bother to spend 5 minutes to look at what type of video card they have.. This is a pretty lame excuse, especially when the pc is cheaper then it has ever been..

This whole tangent has gotten out of hand. My point was, when talking about BC, excluding ps2 titles from ps3, because not all ps3s have ps2 bc, is exactly the same as excluding high-req games from PC, because not all PCs can play them.

.............. If your going to play games on a pc your not going to want to buy a prebuilt for $300.. Those are ones specifically used for office, school and other work.. People seem to forget that the pc is a multipurpose device that will always be alittle more expensive simply due to it does more then just play video games or be a multimedia device.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]And yet the vast majority of pcs sold don't have anything more than, say an onboard intel graphics adaptor...

ianuilliam

... Except if your uninformed and don't bother to spend 5 minutes to look at what type of video card they have.. This is a pretty lame excuse, especially when the pc is cheaper then it has ever been..

This whole tangent has gotten out of hand. My point was, when talking about BC, excluding ps2 titles from ps3, because not all ps3s have ps2 bc, is exactly the same as excluding high-req games from PC, because not all PCs can play them.

Actually you are wrong there are many times more gaming PCs than PS3s.

People who buy them to game on will purchase one that can play all games even if the settings have to be lowered.

You already dug yourself too deep into a hole and you won;t be able to get yourself out of it.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="ianuilliam"]My $300 2010 pc cannot play every pc game. And doesn't use highest settings on the ones it does play.

Hakkai007

I think it's a waste of time to argue with him since he is obviously ignorant about computers.

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]Mine from 2007 does, bar Crysis, Metro 2033, Empire / Napoleon Total War, and STALKER Clear Sky / Call of Pripyat and ArmA 2/OA. Which is an impressive feat considering the system cost as much as a PS3 here at the time. It really depends on how careful your purchase is perhaps?ianuilliam

I think it's a waste of time to argue with him since he is obviously ignorant about computers.

What?

Your syntax makes your post confusing.

My point is there are far more gaming PCs that can play all the new games out than there are PS3s.

There are even integrated gpu laptops and desktops that can play newer games.

Here is an integrated gpu playing farcry 2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5ybWtWfM9I

The only way I can see to estimate the number of gaming PCs is to know the numbers of ATI/AMD and nVidia video cards sold. That could be broken down further into low/mid/high end.

... i guess it would be even more coward the comparison if we counted emulators. Unfortunely the forum has this silence law about it.

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

My 2007 PC can play every PC game and use the big "E".

ianuilliam

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

... Except if your uninformed and don't bother to spend 5 minutes to look at what type of video card they have.. This is a pretty lame excuse, especially when the pc is cheaper then it has ever been..

Hakkai007

This whole tangent has gotten out of hand. My point was, when talking about BC, excluding ps2 titles from ps3, because not all ps3s have ps2 bc, is exactly the same as excluding high-req games from PC, because not all PCs can play them.

Actually you are wrong there are many times more gaming PCs than PS3s.

People who buy them to game on will purchase one that can play all games even if the settings have to be lowered.

You already dug yourself too deep into a hole and you won;t be able to get yourself out of it.

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

I think it's a waste of time to argue with him since he is obviously ignorant about computers.

Hakkai007

What?

Your syntax makes your post confusing.

My point is there are far more gaming PCs that can play all the new games out than there are PS3s.

There are even integrated gpu laptops and desktops that can play newer games.

Here is an integrated gpu playing farcry 2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5ybWtWfM9I

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

My 2007 PC can play every PC game and use the big "E".

Mystic-G