you got to give it to ms

M$ really did a number to sony his gen. They clearly have more support from western developers in general that produce things like mass2 and left for dead. Not only that but most western games are developed for the 360 then ported to the ps3. Sony has no support from western rpgs developers outside of bethesda, bioware and a few others, but still only manage to get the short end of the things when looked from a sw standpoint( no mass effect for ps3, worst version of fallout 3 etc). Not only are western third party games superior on the xbox 360, but also and probably their biggest accomplishment this gen is the stolen thunder from japanese developers. Xbox 360 has plenty of japanese exclusives that are not available on a ps3, they have had a lot more support than sony, a japanese company, this generation as a whole. Square has more games out on the 360, namco has more games out on the 360, capcom has more games out on the 360, atlus has more games out on the 360, tecmo has more games out on the 360 (i'm refering to the japanese games that have hit the west by now). How is the acceptable to sw? A console that barely has 3 million user in japan has more support than sony in their own turf. Because of that, ms has gained a lot of costumer here in the west( even if the japanese continue to ignore it).Doesn't matter in what way you try to spin this ms has overshadowed sony this gen, both critically and commercialy

Yes, ms has paid for them. Yes, sony produces a lot of first party exclusives themselves. Yes, sony has built an overall better machine. Yes, there is a lot of arguing about this. Yes, Ms is in the lead(even if some deny it). Yes, sony is losing a lot of money. Yes, this sw just boils down to sony vs ms. Yes this is a flame threat. Yes, you'll probably tell me to "blog it"(cows). Yes, that's just reality, because it doesn't matter how much we brag about scores, in the end sales will determine the winner.

PLEASE NOTE: I have removed your last statement. Please avoid any statement which targets users of a system. Keep it to the systems themselves. Thanks!

MS isn't in any sort of lead, Nintendo is.

but they did go the opposite way from last gen. They pulled a PS2(partially in terms of sales) and Sony pulled an Original Xbox

Cool story +1 rep, woul read again...

MS isn't in any sort of lead, Nintendo is.

but they did go the opposite way from last gen. They pulled a PS2(partially in terms of sales) and Sony pulled an Original Xbox

This "war" is between sony and ms, everything else(handhelds wii, pcs) get ignored here and that's a fact. edo-tensei

Booo! I won't accept that. Nintendo won, just accpet the failure that is Sony and Microsoft and move on.

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"] This "war" is between sony and ms, everything else(handhelds wii, pcs) get ignored here and that's a fact. Racer_XLR

Booo! I won't accept that. Nintendo won, just accpet the failurethat isSony and Microsoftand move on. :P

[QUOTE="HavocV3"]

MS isn't in any sort of lead, Nintendo is.

but they did go the opposite way from last gen. They pulled a PS2(partially in terms of sales) and Sony pulled an Original Xbox

edo-tensei

fair enough, I'm just pointing out that Ninty wins, hands down.

just don't want a false sense of victory to be instilled to the hardcore fanboys.:P

I think at this point its obvious MS is doing way better than Sony this gen, considering Sony's position last gen, thats quite a feat, yes, MS is overshadowing Sony ...and not by a small margin, anyone who cant see how MS has risen above Sony this gen is in denial,

I think at this point its obvious MS is doing way better than Sony this gen, considering Sony's position last gen, thats quite a feat, yes, MS is overshadowing Sony ...and not by a small margin, anyone who cant see how MS has risen above Sony this gen is in denial,

ethanradd

i didn't read your post. but understand this, the 360 does not have God of War 3. and it never will.

I think at this point its obvious MS is doing way better than Sony this gen, considering Sony's position last gen, thats quite a feat, yes, MS is overshadowing Sony ...and not by a small margin, anyone who cant see how MS has risen above Sony this gen is in denial,

ethanradd

while i don't think microsoft is overshadowing sony this gen it's pretty clear that microsoft has indeed learned from the mistakes made with the first xbox.

i didn't read your post. but understand this, the 360 does not have God of War 3. and it never will.

positivebalance

shooters are currently the big genre of this gen. Microsoft already had some great shooters coming into this gen. So that helped. Plus sony being overpriced to.

i didn't read your post. but understand this, the 360 does not have God of War 3. and it never will.

positivebalance

The GoW IP is owned by Sony. We know that. . .

What is your point?

[QUOTE="positivebalance"]

i didn't read your post. but understand this, the 360 does not have God of War 3. and it never will.

Racer_XLR

The GoW IP is owned by Sony. We know that. . .

What is your point?

[QUOTE="ethanradd"]

I think at this point its obvious MS is doing way better than Sony this gen, considering Sony's position last gen, thats quite a feat, yes, MS is overshadowing Sony ...and not by a small margin, anyone who cant see how MS has risen above Sony this gen is in denial,

while i don't think microsoft is overshadowing sony this gen it's pretty clear that microsoft has indeed learned from the mistakes made with the first xbox.

[QUOTE="positivebalance"]

i didn't read your post. but understand this, the 360 does not have God of War 3. and it never will.

edo-tensei

MS did well this gen but they went the wrong way about it, everything that made the original Xbox so great was lost on 360 and on top of that they abandoned the X-box when it was just reaching new heights. MS introduced multiple SKU's this gen which is bad enough but they also increased the amount of peripherals needed for the lowest common denominator, not only that they also created the worst hardware in gaming history, hardware ok. Gaming wise no complaints but this gen MS is milking the fanbase dry in order to make up for the loss they had last gen. Imm just glad Im not part of that fanbase.Swift_Boss_A

the PS3 has higher rated, and better exclusives. what does the 360 have? sequels to gears and halo? PD0? EPIC LOL.

positivebalance

The 360 has more exclusives. Better is subjective, I just happen to share the same OPINION as you.

And don't be like that, you know the 360 has more than just Halo and Gears.

[QUOTE="positivebalance"]

i didn't read your post. but understand this, the 360 does not have God of War 3. and it never will.

Racer_XLR

The GoW IP is owned by Sony. We know that. . .

What is your point?

He wants to point out that his a typical fanboy screaming GoW at any posts that's about praising 360..

[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]MS did well this gen but they went the wrong way about it, everything that made the original Xbox so great was lost on 360 and on top of that they abandoned the X-box when it was just reaching new heights. MS introduced multiple SKU's this gen which is bad enough but they also increased the amount of peripherals needed for the lowest common denominator, not only that they also created the worst hardware in gaming history, hardware ok. Gaming wise no complaints but this gen MS is milking the fanbase dry in order to make up for the loss they had last gen. Imm just glad Im not part of that fanbase.edo-tensei

[QUOTE="positivebalance"]

the PS3 has higher rated, and better exclusives. what does the 360 have? sequels to gears and halo? PD0? EPIC LOL.

Racer_XLR

The 360 has more exclusives. Better is subjective, I just happen to share the same OPINION as you.

And don't be like that, you know the 360 has more than just Halo and Gears.

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="positivebalance"]

i didn't read your post. but understand this, the 360 does not have God of War 3. and it never will.

positivebalance

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]MS did well this gen but they went the wrong way about it, everything that made the original Xbox so great was lost on 360 and on top of that they abandoned the X-box when it was just reaching new heights. MS introduced multiple SKU's this gen which is bad enough but they also increased the amount of peripherals needed for the lowest common denominator, not only that they also created the worst hardware in gaming history, hardware ok. Gaming wise no complaints but this gen MS is milking the fanbase dry in order to make up for the loss they had last gen. Imm just glad Im not part of that fanbase.Swift_Boss_A

[QUOTE="ethanradd"]

I think at this point its obvious MS is doing way better than Sony this gen, considering Sony's position last gen, thats quite a feat, yes, MS is overshadowing Sony ...and not by a small margin, anyone who cant see how MS has risen above Sony this gen is in denial,

while i don't think microsoft is overshadowing sony this gen it's pretty clear that microsoft has indeed learned from the mistakes made with the first xbox.

I like how

"i didn't read your post. but understand this, the 360 does not have God of War 3. and it never will." means "the PS3 has higher rated, and better exclusives. what does the 360 have? sequels to gears and halo? PD0? EPIC LOL."

Honestly who cares which is better, serisouly do you benefit from either MS or Sony becoming successful. Good game is a good game.

the PS3 has the higher rated exclusives. AAA. i doubt the 360 will get an AAAAE this gen.

positivebalance

Pfft. So what. AA and A games don't matter then?

And even if the 360 doesn't have an AAAAE (whatever how many A's you add) it doesn't change the fact that it still has a strong library of games.

[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"][QUOTE="edo-tensei"] yeah and sony didn't follow ms examples, like the different skus, right?lawlessx

A console that barely has 3 million user in japan has more support than sony in their own turf. Because of that, ms has gained a lot of costumer here in the west( even if the japanese continue to ignore it).Doesn't matter in what way you try to spin this ms has overshadowed sony this gen, both critically and commercialy

edo-tensei

Yea that's pretty much wrong. Also the subsequent statement is also wrong but I agree that MS has done a better job than sony this gen, but the most certainly have not overshadowed sony in any area. Games? No.... they are pretty much equal (of course this is opinion but I'm going by reviews I guess I think the 360 does have the better overall library though), Sales? No.. MS edge is not where what sony had last gen THAT is what you called overshadowing, the two are actually very close to each other in sales numbers.

[QUOTE="positivebalance"]

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"] point?edo-tensei

A console that barely has 3 million user in japan has more support than sony in their own turf.

edo-tensei

I don't understand this statement, are you saying the 360 has sold 3 Million in Japan?

That's not true, where did you get that figure from?

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As far as the main OP, Xbox Brand certainly stepped up their game no matter how you look at it compared to last generation.

Xbox has done a tremendous job, and are profitable. That being said, I feel that once they started feeling that profit, things changed for us 360 gamers.

Xbox 360 started out with an amazing BANG this generation (2005-2007), and somewhere along the line, Xbox 360 changed it's pace.

I feel the 360 and Xbox reps have been on cruise control since 2008. The momentum changed I believe, partially due to gamers noticing this slowed down pace. When both machines get a Bioshock 2 and a Final Fantasy XIII, but one machine gets a God of War III, People/gamers notice what's hot and what they can and can't have. That's recently, but you get the idea....it started around the GTA4/MGS4 time (2008 ). I still love my 360's (I have two) but I have certainly noticed changes since the beginning of this generation. That's one reason I'm looking forward to Alan Wake, it marks a shift from the norm in Xbox exclusive IP's, and I can't wait.

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"]

A console that barely has 3 million user in japan has more support than sony in their own turf.

SolidTy

I don't understand this statement, are you saying the 360 has sold 3 Million in Japan?

That's not true, where did you get that figure from?

Microsoft has done a wonderful job in the console sector. I wish they would apply that same effort to PC gaming.

MS did well this gen but they went the wrong way about it, everything that made the original Xbox so great was lost on 360 and on top of that they abandoned the X-box when it was just reaching new heights. MS introduced multiple SKU's this gen which is bad enough but they also increased the amount of peripherals needed for the lowest common denominator, not only that they also created the worst hardware in gaming history, hardware ok. Gaming wise no complaints but this gen MS is milking the fanbase dry in order to make up for the loss they had last gen. Imm just glad Im not part of that fanbase.Swift_Boss_A

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"]

A console that barely has 3 million user in japan has more support than sony in their own turf.

edo-tensei

I don't understand this statement, are you saying the 360 has sold 3 Million in Japan?

That's not true, where did you get that figure from?

You need to understand what is the difference between overshadowing and being equals. What the PS2 did to the xbox is overshadowing, what the xbox 360 is doing to the PS3 is competing.

MS is doing great but i just dont care about them. it's great they are doing good, but they arent giving me the games i want on their console (mostly). if i get a sufficient reason to buy 360, i will get one. it's cheap nowadays anyway. but for now, ms gotta hold it up produce games i like before they reach their hand into my pocket.funsohng

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"]

A console that barely has 3 million user in japan has more support than sony in their own turf.

edo-tensei

I don't understand this statement, are you saying the 360 has sold 3 Million in Japan?

That's not true, where did you get that figure from?

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As far as the main OP, Xbox Brand certainly stepped up their game no matter how you look at it compared to last generation.

Xbox has done a tremendous job, and are profitable. That being said, I feel that once they started feeling that profit, things changed for us 360 gamers.

Xbox 360 started out with an amazing BANG this generation (2005-2007), and somewhere along the line, Xbox 360 changed it's pace.

I feel the 360 and Xbox reps have been on cruise control since 2008. The momentum changed I believe, partially due to gamers noticing this slowed down pace. When both machines get a Bioshock 2 and a Final Fantasy XIII, but one machine gets a God of War III, People/gamers notice what's hot and what they can and can't have. That's recently, but you get the idea....it started around the GTA4/MGS4 time (2008 ). I still love my 360's (I have two) but I have certainly noticed changes since the beginning of this generation. That's one reason I'm looking forward to Alan Wake, it marks a shift from the norm in Xbox exclusive IP's, and I can't wait.

Oh, I thought some website or SW poster completely confused you or misled you. That's a remarkable exaggeration, considering the true install base in Japan for the 360. :shock:That was a huge difference. :P

As far as stepping up their game, I agree, Xbox Brand has done a great job this generation, no doubt.

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"]

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

I don't understand this statement, are you saying the 360 has sold 3 Million in Japan?

That's not true, where did you get that figure from?

Espada12

You need to understand what is the difference between overshadowing and being equals. What the PS2 did to the xbox is overshadowing, what the xbox 360 is doing to the PS3 is competing.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"] ok that statement keeps comming back to me which is true. I over exagerated there a bit but my opinion still stands. ms has overshadowed sony this gen.

edo-tensei

You need to understand what is the difference between overshadowing and being equals. What the PS2 did to the xbox is overshadowing, what the xbox 360 is doing to the PS3 is competing.

That doesn't say anything. What does that have to do with one console overshadowing the other?

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

You need to understand what is the difference between overshadowing and being equals. What the PS2 did to the xbox is overshadowing, what the xbox 360 is doing to the PS3 is competing.

That doesn't say anything. What does that have to do with one console overshadowing the other?