You guys do realize that LAIR has almost double the development time than GeOW?

I'm always seeing comments like " Lems had to wait a whole year for GeOW while we get LAIR in a few months" or " first gen PS3 games look as good as 2nd gen 360 games"

um...last time I checked, PS3 launched a WHOLE YEAR after the 360. So comments like these make no sense at all.

Heavenly Sword was the first game to be announced for next-gen platforms, if I recall.

So you are right, developement of games does not start when the platform is first released, though some people think it does. 

Heavenly Sword was the first game to be announced for next-gen platforms, if I recall.

So you are right, developement of games does not start when the platform is first released, though some people think it does. 

Raidea

I thought Oblivion was?

[QUOTE="Raidea"]

Heavenly Sword was the first game to be announced for next-gen platforms, if I recall.

So you are right, developement of games does not start when the platform is first released, though some people think it does.

BioShockOwnz

I thought Oblivion was?

[QUOTE="Raidea"]

Heavenly Sword was the first game to be announced for next-gen platforms, if I recall.

So you are right, developement of games does not start when the platform is first released, though some people think it does. 

BioShockOwnz

I thought Oblivion was?

i thought Dark Sector was?

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"][QUOTE="Raidea"]

Heavenly Sword was the first game to be announced for next-gen platforms, if I recall.

So you are right, developement of games does not start when the platform is first released, though some people think it does. 

-Sora

I thought Oblivion was?

i thought Dark Sector was?

Both were shown off really early, but I remember seeing a screen of Oblivion in like 2004 of a character on horseback looking over the hill at all the trees and stuff.

I'm always seeing comments like " Lems had to wait a whole year for GeOW while we get LAIR in a few months" or " first gen PS3 games look as good as 2nd gen 360 games"

um...last time I checked, PS3 launched a WHOLE YEAR after the 360. So comments like these make no sense at all.

Blue-Sky

So, if Lair was made for so long, why does it look so much worst than Gears ?

same here i think Dark Sector was cuz i saw that Dark Sector Trailer like 2 years before they even announced the next gen consoles...and yet the game still hasnt come out...im guessing its gonna be like Duke Nukem Forever..im_so_l33t

Has it hit 10 years of delay yet?

same here i think Dark Sector was cuz i saw that Dark Sector Trailer like 2 years before they even announced the next gen consoles...and yet the game still hasnt come out...im guessing its gonna be like Duke Nukem Forever..im_so_l33t

If they hadn't even announced the next-gen consoles when you saw it, how could it have been announced for next-gen consoles?

I'm taking about games which were announced for next-gen consoles, and I'm sure I've read HS was one of the first. It started life as a Xbox title of course. 

I'm always seeing comments like " Lems had to wait a whole year for GeOW while we get LAIR in a few months" or " first gen PS3 games look as good as 2nd gen 360 games"

um...last time I checked, PS3 launched a WHOLE YEAR after the 360. So comments like these make no sense at all.

Blue-Sky

you're partly right that they, ofc, have been starting to make the games before the actual release date. But Cows are also right that they've had shorter time since the final development tool didn't get released until a few months before the ps release.

So I bet they've, the developers, have been able to do a "rough" version of the game on a proxy tool, but had to wait for the proper tool to really specify the game for the ps3  

[QUOTE="im_so_l33t"]same here i think Dark Sector was cuz i saw that Dark Sector Trailer like 2 years before they even announced the next gen consoles...and yet the game still hasnt come out...im guessing its gonna be like Duke Nukem Forever..Raidea

If they hadn't even announced the next-gen consoles when you saw it, how could it have been announced for next-gen consoles?

I'm taking about games which were announced for next-gen consoles, and I'm sure I've read HS was one of the first. It started life as a Xbox title of course.

i didnt say it was announced for nextgen consoles....if i remember correctly i think the game was put under an xbox title then after a while they took it off the site completly and then put it under a 360 title once the Xbox 360 was announced... i know the game hasnt hit the 10yr mark but i heard they scratched their original idea and started all over on the game with a totally different envoirnment and story. Just compare the first and the latest trailer for this game and ull know what i mean. Also i really hope it comes out beacuse it does look like a great game :D

[QUOTE="im_so_l33t"]same here i think Dark Sector was cuz i saw that Dark Sector Trailer like 2 years before they even announced the next gen consoles...and yet the game still hasnt come out...im guessing its gonna be like Duke Nukem Forever..Raidea

If they hadn't even announced the next-gen consoles when you saw it, how could it have been announced for next-gen consoles?

I'm taking about games which were announced for next-gen consoles, and I'm sure I've read HS was one of the first. It started life as a Xbox title of course.

I thought Too Human was longer, wasnt it an early PS1 or PS2 possible title. 

[QUOTE="im_so_l33t"]same here i think Dark Sector was cuz i saw that Dark Sector Trailer like 2 years before they even announced the next gen consoles...and yet the game still hasnt come out...im guessing its gonna be like Duke Nukem Forever..Raidea

If they hadn't even announced the next-gen consoles when you saw it, how could it have been announced for next-gen consoles?

I'm taking about games which were announced for next-gen consoles, and I'm sure I've read HS was one of the first. It started life as a Xbox title of course.

actually i did remember dark sector also.  it was on that show on g4 that shows trailers only.  and i saw dark sector and it said next gen.  there were no pics of next gen consoles at the time too 

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

I'm always seeing comments like " Lems had to wait a whole year for GeOW while we get LAIR in a few months" or " first gen PS3 games look as good as 2nd gen 360 games"

um...last time I checked, PS3 launched a WHOLE YEAR after the 360. So comments like these make no sense at all.

alfy13

Nope, at X05 when they first showd off the trailer Cliffy B said "we've had the developer's kits for about a month now". 

Just because the console launched a year later, doesnt mean the devs had the dev kits a year earlier.  duhDilrod

Sony released their Alpha kits in late 2004 and their Beta, late summer 2005. Not to mention the fact that you don't need a dev kit to start making a game, all they provide is real world representation of hardware capabilities, which developers already had a concept of what these systems are capable of. Heavenly Sword is an example of that. I believe LAIR started early 2005 on a PS3 kit.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"][QUOTE="Raidea"]

Heavenly Sword was the first game to be announced for next-gen platforms, if I recall.

So you are right, developement of games does not start when the platform is first released, though some people think it does.

blazinpuertoroc

I thought Oblivion was?

 actually... Kameo was, but thats a different story.

Heavenly Sword was the first game to be announced for next-gen platforms, if I recall.

So you are right, developement of games does not start when the platform is first released, though some people think it does. 

Raidea

it was actually dark sector but it doesnt matter that game still isnt even out

[QUOTE="Dilrod"]Just because the console launched a year later, doesnt mean the devs had the dev kits a year earlier. duhBlue-Sky

Sony released their Alpha kits in late 2004 and their Beta, late summer 2005. Not to mention the fact that you don't need a dev kit to start making a game, all they provide is real world representation of hardware capabilities, which developers already had a concept of what these systems are capable of. Heavenly Sword is an example of that. I believe LAIR started early 2005 on a PS3 kit.

Wrong, they need the final dev kit or the game would look like it was worked on the alpha dev kit. Do you know how week the alpha dev kit was? It ran on a 2.4Ghz cell and had a GPU twice as week as the actual RSX... Plus the final dev kits came in around august of 2006... And even if they did start in early 2005, they would need the extra time to take advantage of the final dev kit...

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

[QUOTE="Dilrod"]Just because the console launched a year later, doesnt mean the devs had the dev kits a year earlier. duhmunu9

Sony released their Alpha kits in late 2004 and their Beta, late summer 2005. Not to mention the fact that you don't need a dev kit to start making a game, all they provide is real world representation of hardware capabilities, which developers already had a concept of what these systems are capable of. Heavenly Sword is an example of that. I believe LAIR started early 2005 on a PS3 kit.

Wrong, they need the final dev kit or the game would look like it was worked on the alpha dev kit. Do you know how week the alpha dev kit was? It ran on a 2.4Ghz cell and had a GPU twice as week as the actual RSX... Plus the final dev kits came in around august of 2006... And even if they did start in early 2005, they would need the extra time to take advantage of the final dev kit...

and this proves what? The fact that LAIR has much more development time that GeOW? The fact that PS3 late launch gives them an extra year of development? Whats your point?

You think Facor 5 was sitting around, twirling their thumbs while waiting for the final dev kits? You guys are making it seem as if these kits play a major role in the development of a game.  Factor 5's engine and concept was built prior because they already had a concept of how powerful the PS3 would be. How different do you think the Beta and Final kits are?

[QUOTE="munu9"][QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

[QUOTE="Dilrod"]Just because the console launched a year later, doesnt mean the devs had the dev kits a year earlier. duhBlue-Sky

Sony released their Alpha kits in late 2004 and their Beta, late summer 2005. Not to mention the fact that you don't need a dev kit to start making a game, all they provide is real world representation of hardware capabilities, which developers already had a concept of what these systems are capable of. Heavenly Sword is an example of that. I believe LAIR started early 2005 on a PS3 kit.

Wrong, they need the final dev kit or the game would look like it was worked on the alpha dev kit. Do you know how week the alpha dev kit was? It ran on a 2.4Ghz cell and had a GPU twice as week as the actual RSX... Plus the final dev kits came in around august of 2006... And even if they did start in early 2005, they would need the extra time to take advantage of the final dev kit...

and this proves what? The fact that LAIR has much more development time that GeOW? The fact that PS3 late launch gives them an extra year of development? Whats your point?

You think Facor 5 was sitting around, twirling their thumbs while waiting for the final dev kits? You guys are making it seem as if these kits play a major role in the development of a game. Factor 5's engine and concept was built prior because they already had a concept of how powerful the PS3 would be. How different do you think the Beta and Final kits are?

Lair looks way better then gears of war..if you lemming jus open ya eyes and watch the video..some are really  jus in denial..and final dev kits wasnt given to them yet..ps3 is a very difficult system to program..they barely released the tool edge like 2 month ago i think so they can get the best results on the ps3.... devlopers is still tryin to learn how to get a better grasp of the hardware.And i think by next year most devlopers will get the hang of it...lair accomplish a lot and hope other devlopers will make games for the ps3 first then port to the 360..

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"][QUOTE="Raidea"]

Heavenly Sword was the first game to be announced for next-gen platforms, if I recall.

So you are right, developement of games does not start when the platform is first released, though some people think it does.

-Sora

I thought Oblivion was?

i thought Dark Sector was?

Technically it was Kameo. 

and this proves what? The fact that LAIR has much more development time that GeOW? The fact that PS3 late launch gives them an extra year of development? Whats your point?

You think Facor 5 was sitting around, twirling their thumbs while waiting for the final dev kits? You guys are making it seem as if these kits play a major role in the development of a game. Factor 5's engine and concept was built prior because they already had a concept of how powerful the PS3 would be. How different do you think the Beta and Final kits are?Blue-Sky

People fail to realise that all the sound, animations, textures, maps, skins, engine and just generally most of the game is actually build on a PC. Development kits are needed to put everything together, but even if developers don't have them they can still work on the game.

I'm always seeing comments like " Lems had to wait a whole year for GeOW while we get LAIR in a few months" or " first gen PS3 games look as good as 2nd gen 360 games"

um...last time I checked, PS3 launched a WHOLE YEAR after the 360. So comments like these make no sense at all.

Blue-Sky

Yeah and GEoW might have been under devolpment before the 360 was even announced.... 

Yep, Lair had almost double development time over Gears, and Lair still looks like Poop!!!AgentVX

Through what crap covered glasses are you looking at Lair with? It looks great. 

[QUOTE="-Sora"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"][QUOTE="Raidea"]

Heavenly Sword was the first game to be announced for next-gen platforms, if I recall.

So you are right, developement of games does not start when the platform is first released, though some people think it does. 

BioShockOwnz

I thought Oblivion was?

i thought Dark Sector was?

Both were shown off really early, but I remember seeing a screen of Oblivion in like 2004 of a character on horseback looking over the hill at all the trees and stuff.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"][QUOTE="-Sora"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"][QUOTE="Raidea"]

Heavenly Sword was the first game to be announced for next-gen platforms, if I recall.

So you are right, developement of games does not start when the platform is first released, though some people think it does.

laughingman42

I thought Oblivion was?

i thought Dark Sector was?

Both were shown off really early, but I remember seeing a screen of Oblivion in like 2004 of a character on horseback looking over the hill at all the trees and stuff.

Kameo started out on the N64, it definitely came first. 

[QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

I'm always seeing comments like " Lems had to wait a whole year for GeOW while we get LAIR in a few months" or " first gen PS3 games look as good as 2nd gen 360 games"

um...last time I checked, PS3 launched a WHOLE YEAR after the 360. So comments like these make no sense at all.

Ninja-Vox

Nope, at X05 when they first showd off the trailer Cliffy B said "we've had the developer's kits for about a month now". 

"The first public glimpse of Gears of War came in 2004, in the form of renders from Epic's new Unreal Engine 3. Prior to this, Epic had teased the gaming community with hints about a "next big thing", a brand new franchise completely separate from Unreal, built on their next-generation Engine. However, the history and pre-production of Gears has its roots deep within Unreal."

Lair have been in develop since 2004 :

As it turns out, a brand new Factor 5-developed PlayStation 3 game known as "Lair" is deep into development"

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/635/635496p1.html

and this was back in 2005 

exactly, some cows think that games arent developed into the system comes out,for some reason. Guess they never heard of duke nukem forevermtradr43

duke nukem forever, are they still making that game?!?!?!?! 

When did Gears Of War start development?.messiah1

GEars of war developement started early 2004 right after unreal tournament 2004. It had a show at e3 05, which won many years. Lair has been in the same developement starting in early 2004. HOw is 3 years of development almost double 4 years of development?

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

I'm always seeing comments like " Lems had to wait a whole year for GeOW while we get LAIR in a few months" or " first gen PS3 games look as good as 2nd gen 360 games"

um...last time I checked, PS3 launched a WHOLE YEAR after the 360. So comments like these make no sense at all.

alfy13

Nope, at X05 when they first showd off the trailer Cliffy B said "we've had the developer's kits for about a month now". 

"The first public glimpse of Gears of War came in 2004, in the form of renders from Epic's new Unreal Engine 3. Prior to this, Epic had teased the gaming community with hints about a "next big thing", a brand new franchise completely separate from Unreal, built on their next-generation Engine. However, the history and pre-production of Gears has its roots deep within Unreal."

[QUOTE="messiah1"]When did Gears Of War start development?.nextgengaming18

GEars of war developement started early 2004 right after unreal tournament 2004. It had a show at e3 05, which won many years. Lair has been in the same developement starting in early 2004. HOw is 3 years of development almost double 4 years of development?

I'm always seeing comments like " Lems had to wait a whole year for GeOW while we get LAIR in a few months" or " first gen PS3 games look as good as 2nd gen 360 games"

um...last time I checked, PS3 launched a WHOLE YEAR after the 360. So comments like these make no sense at all.

Blue-Sky

And yet they seem to claim ownage on this, cows are very dumb this gen, were they like that last gen? I dunno I wasn't here.