You might as well stop hyping Fallout 3.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="JLF1"]

So what are really missing in F3 compared to the first two?skrat_01

Isometric perspective, dialogue system based on stats, turn-based combat, FO's atmosphere and ****it's just generic PA now, no more ironic retro feel) , lack of respect for setting (handheld nuclear launchers...arghh) this coupled with Bethsoft usual problems (crappy writing, weak quests systems... etc... Bethsofthasn' shown so far FO3 will be better than Oblivion in those areas) .. and you wonder why fans hate it

But even things like a 3rd person perspective rather than isometric I could accept just fine, but things like raping the games setting, dialouge options and reative world really goes over the line.

So it's a big chance from the other games.
What happend to Black Isle anyway?

I just have a gut feeling that since its multiplat (pc, 360, ps3) that no matter what the game is like you'll get pc gamers complaining that its been "consolized" or "noobified" just like with Oblivion, UT3 and other games.

I just can see this happening. I remember how many hardcore pc gamers were hyping oblivion to the moon and then look what happened.

All I'm saying is if you're going to hype it, hype it with restraint and caution.

blues3531

So nobody should look forward to Fallout 3, because PC fanboys may whine about it? Too bad for them I say. I'm looking forward to F3.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="JLF1"]

So what are really missing in F3 compared to the first two?JLF1

Isometric perspective, dialogue system based on stats, turn-based combat, FO's atmosphere and ****it's just generic PA now, no more ironic retro feel) , lack of respect for setting (handheld nuclear launchers...arghh) this coupled with Bethsoft usual problems (crappy writing, weak quests systems... etc... Bethsofthasn' shown so far FO3 will be better than Oblivion in those areas) .. and you wonder why fans hate it

But even things like a 3rd person perspective rather than isometric I could accept just fine, but things like raping the games setting, dialouge options and reative world really goes over the line.

So it's a big chance from the other games.
What happend to Black Isle anyway?

Bad management at Interplay (who owned BIS) hit them in their weak spot (financially) for massive damage (they were canned).

I just have a gut feeling that since its multiplat (pc, 360, ps3) that no matter what the game is like you'll get pc gamers complaining that its been "consolized" or "noobified" just like with Oblivion, UT3 and other games.

I just can see this happening. I remember how many hardcore pc gamers were hyping oblivion to the moon and then look what happened.

All I'm saying is if you're going to hype it, hype it with restraint and caution.

blues3531

Honestly, I do not think anbody who plays console games really cares what PC people think of our games.

I just have a gut feeling that since its multiplat (pc, 360, ps3) that no matter what the game is like you'll get pc gamers complaining that its been "consolized" or "noobified" just like with Oblivion, UT3 and other games.

I just can see this happening. I remember how many hardcore pc gamers were hyping oblivion to the moon and then look what happened.

All I'm saying is if you're going to hype it, hype it with restraint and caution.

blues3531

well, of course. there will always be a faction of people that say "oh, this one was wayyyyy better than the gimped sequel. its the fanboy way.

[QUOTE="JLF1"]
So what are really missing in F3 compared to the first two?

I strongly suggest that fans of the series would go and play the games today instead of having a 10 year old memory of it that is clearly biased.
skrat_01

For a 10 year old memory its certainly much better than the vast majority of RPGs nowdays....

I agree. I still have the old Fallout games and still love playing them from time to time. They definitely hold up.

I'd like to know where these so called Fallout fans are getting all of this information from where they can determine exactly how terrible the game is. From what I've seen Bethesda has shown all that much.

I loved the original Fallout's and I even liked tactics. I'm willing to give them a chance and be thankful that the franchise is being revived instead of whining about the changes. I guess not having any Fallout at all is better for some people. I just wish they'd shut up about it.

[QUOTE="gasmaskman"][QUOTE="blues3531"]

[QUOTE="darklord888"]Oblivion wasn't as good as Morrowind but it was still damn good and I put 120 hours into it. I'll enjoy Fallout 3 on PC regardless if it's consolish.blues3531

Yeah I liked oblivion too but it receives tons of hate from hardcore TES fans.

Because it was bad compared to their predecessors....

yeah but some of the hate it receives is unfounded. words used to describe it such as horrible, terrible, complete crap are just wrong. I was reading all this stuff in another thread which is what made me start this one. It might not be as good as its predecessors but its still good. So basically the same rules apply with fallout 3. I am already anticipating the pc backlash months after the game is out.

It's not the same rules with Fallout, with oblivion they were making a sequel of their OWN game. Now that they have the fallout license, they are going to screw up. Honestly, It didn't bother me that they change to first/third person perspective. What bothers me is that even one of the designers (i dont have the link right now) admitted that it was oblivion with guns.

So you get the "Fallout universe" with no dialogue, no consequences to your actions, no humor, and the list goes on...

The lead designer of Fallout 3 admitted that it was just Oblivion with guns.

There was a discussion about it here. RPG Codex following an interview.

[QUOTE="jaisimar_chelse"][QUOTE="sts9kid"]

You'll still get to mod with the PC version of Fallout 3, so it doesn't really matter. Fallout 3 is going to be awesome. This is probably the only game that will be able to give GTA 4 a run for the money for GOTY 2008.

sts9kid

havnt u heard of a game called starcraft 2

Starcraft 2 will be a great game. Starcraft was also a great game, but was completely overshadowed by other great games that year. This is the same year that games like Half Life, Metal Gear Solid, Zelda: OoT, Unreal, Baldur's Gate, Fallout 2, Grim Fandango, and any others came out. 1998 is considered one of the best years for video gamers.

Ironically, 10 years later I see the exact same scenario. We're going to see some amazing games launch this year. I think Starcraft 2 will be a great game, but it's going to get over shadowed by other games. There are not enough players in the US to generate a huge buzz for this game.

its all bout korerans :P

[QUOTE="blues3531"]

I just have a gut feeling that since its multiplat (pc, 360, ps3) that no matter what the game is like you'll get pc gamers complaining that its been "consolized" or "noobified" just like with Oblivion, UT3 and other games.

I just can see this happening. I remember how many hardcore pc gamers were hyping oblivion to the moon and then look what happened.

All I'm saying is if you're going to hype it, hype it with restraint and caution.

clone01

well, of course. there will always be a faction of people that say "oh, this one was wayyyyy better than the gimped sequel. its the fanboy way.

urgh

fallout is an rpg franchise , turnnig it into a action fantasy action game like oblivion is so lame

I just have a gut feeling that since its multiplat (pc, 360, ps3) that no matter what the game is like you'll get pc gamers complaining that its been "consolized" or "noobified" just like with Oblivion, UT3 and other games.

I just can see this happening. I remember how many hardcore pc gamers were hyping oblivion to the moon and then look what happened.

All I'm saying is if you're going to hype it, hype it with restraint and caution.

blues3531

Who cares what pc gamers think? This is a video game forum. They should be at pcgamer.com if they have something to say about their platform. Well, if they want to talk to people who consider them relevant at least.

[QUOTE="blues3531"]

I just have a gut feeling that since its multiplat (pc, 360, ps3) that no matter what the game is like you'll get pc gamers complaining that its been "consolized" or "noobified" just like with Oblivion, UT3 and other games.

I just can see this happening. I remember how many hardcore pc gamers were hyping oblivion to the moon and then look what happened.

All I'm saying is if you're going to hype it, hype it with restraint and caution.

Senor_Kami

Who cares what pc gamers think? This is a video game forum. They should be at pcgamer.com if they have something to say about their platform. Well, if they want to talk to people who consider them relevant at least.

Wow seriously think before you speak. Anyway Fallout 3 while it may not be what die hard fans want it should be a good game.

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="blues3531"]

I just have a gut feeling that since its multiplat (pc, 360, ps3) that no matter what the game is like you'll get pc gamers complaining that its been "consolized" or "noobified" just like with Oblivion, UT3 and other games.

I just can see this happening. I remember how many hardcore pc gamers were hyping oblivion to the moon and then look what happened.

All I'm saying is if you're going to hype it, hype it with restraint and caution.

jaisimar_chelse

well, of course. there will always be a faction of people that say "oh, this one was wayyyyy better than the gimped sequel. its the fanboy way.

urgh

fallout is an rpg franchise , turnnig it into a action fantasy action game like oblivion is so lame

yes, in your opinion it is. i liked morrowind, i liked oblivion. i liked fallout 2, i'll most likely like fallout 3.

Fallout 1 and 2 to this Gen is a HUGE jump. It's not only graphics but gameplay mechanics. Look at Starcraft the gameplay doesn't need to be changed just re skinned and new story. Fallouts gameplay HAS to be tweaked its too last last last gen. I'm not saying Bethesda its 100% on the ball but I think it is tough for them to revive this series and I give them Kudos for doing so but a game like Fallout 2 being brought to today would be horrible compared to most games today if it used the same mechanics as it did. I'm sorry but if Fallout only appealed to Fans of the franchise the game woud fail and would die forever.Antikyth3ra

Starcraft's gameplay is changing quite a bit.

Fallout 1 and 2 to this Gen is a HUGE jump. It's not only graphics but gameplay mechanics. Look at Starcraft the gameplay doesn't need to be changed just re skinned and new story. Fallouts gameplay HAS to be tweaked its too last last last gen. I'm not saying Bethesda its 100% on the ball but I think it is tough for them to revive this series and I give them Kudos for doing so but a game like Fallout 2 being brought to today would be horrible compared to most games today if it used the same mechanics as it did. I'm sorry but if Fallout only appealed to Fans of the franchise the game woud fail and would die forever.Antikyth3ra

I disagree. Fallout gameplay aged far less than Starcraft. RTS genre has seen very big developments since 1998, while RPG genre has only become worse since 1997

[QUOTE="d_agra"][QUOTE="JLF1"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="JLF1"]The big problem is that the old Fallout fans would hate on F3 even if it was made by the original developer instead of Bethesda.
Fans of the series are probably expecting to much on this game and will probably be disappointed however the game is made.
Bethesda is playing with the emotions of a 10 year old franchise and the fans is obviously going to have a biased opinion on it,
it doesn't matter if F3 becomes the best Fallout ever the hardcore fans will hate on Bethesda anyway because of the things they wanted to see in it that wasn't even in the original games. If black Isle would come back and remake the two first games and the only changes will be better graphics and audio quality the hardcore fans would hate on it and claim that the game has lost it's charm. What I'm trying to say is that the fans are expecting to much and have already started hating on the game so the smallest flaw would be blown up to huge problems, this game can't succeed to please It's fans even if it was the best fallout ever to come out.
JLF1

Nonsense, the majority of fans liked what they saw from Van Buren

Fans hate FO3 because it doesn't resemble previous games much, it doesn't feel like sequel, more liek some random post apocalyptic RPG that just happened to have Fallout name sticked on it. Fans will hate it because it will lack many of the things that made them fans of original Fallout in the first place

Typical apologiest!!What is the point of your little rant when you dont even have a clue what we are worried about? and to make things worse you havent played games..how would you understand our concerns the? Most of the RPG cant hold a candle to fallout

main things

1)No turn based..it was a turned based game and now is not. Vats is not turned based!!
2)One of the strongest elements in Fallout was dialogue and by looking at Bethesda's crap record of Oblivion,we have a big problem. Multiple ways to solve quests.
3)No iso
4)Dark Humor-Bethesda take on dark humor is ripping somone head and taking to it. Thats not Fallouts take

List goes on

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Very smart to personally attack me in your first sentence. If this would have been real life you would have already lost the debate.

What rant? All I'm saying is that fans of the franchise have been looking forward for a sequel for years and then Bethesda comes in and ruins it all. The point is that fans have already doomed this game before it's even out because of Bethesda's previous trackrecord.

I have to ask you, do you think Black Isle would have made this game the way you really wanted it?

The only thing missing is that you start blaming consoles for the fall of the franchise.:lol:

Actually i wasnt targeting you.

my question is what is the point of saying all this stuff "hating on the game so the smallest flaw would be blown up to huge problems, this game can't succeed to please It's fans even if it was the best fallout ever to come out" etc when you know;

a)havent played the previous games
b)dont know anything about Fallout
c)what is Van Buren? (project name for BIS Fallout 3)
d)why was Van Buren cancelled ?

without this, how would you know, what we are worried about is a "small flaw" or not like you put it. Like many people said in the thread their is big differences between both. Without any Fallout knowledge you wouldnt win any Fallout debate.

I'm glad I'm not a PC gamer. Can't wait for this!

Oblivion has a user score of 9.3 here on GS. So it would seem that PC gamers like it quite a bit. It's mostly SW PC gamers that toss out the hate.Bgrngod

It's not really that bad of a game on its own. The thing that bugs me with it, especially for the genre it's most widely considered (although I think of it more as an action/adventure game), is the severe lack of character development and personality.

I wonder how many people hyping this game played the series before. jangojay

I have never played the Fallout series before, but I'm definitely interested in this. I really enjoy playing Oblivion, so I'm hoping Bethesda does a good job with this game. :)

That's hermits for you; think they're hardcore.TMontana1004

As I said if halo 3 was in the hands of a new dev and played like quake. Wouldn't you be a little worried? Oh don't worry about bashing me I'm getting this game.

there is more to it than just changing Fallout to make it more Casualized.

The strength of the Fallout games have always been the stories, writing, and diolouge.....based off of Oblivion....I think its safe to say that Fallout 3 will not specialize in any of the 3.

Oblivion is not a terrible game, but all of its weaknesses, were typiclly the strength of the fallout games.

Fresh from the press ..this what Lead Designer of Fallout 3 had to say about story and dialogue

"When I was a kid growing up in South Boston, the trashcans in our backyard were dragged to the curb for pickup, every week, by a homeless man named Vinnie Trashki. Yeah, I know. "Trashki." Bitter irony or cruel nickname?

...creating fiction for a video game poses one very distinct challenge - you've got to accept that the whole of your writing - characters, narrative, everything - is simply not as important as the gameplay...!

http://www.ashleycheng.com/2008/03/emils-oped-in-gameinformer.html

We have another Oblivion!!

That's hermits for you; think they're hardcore.TMontana1004

I guess that does make them more hardcore

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