You've done it to yourself (online pass related)

so this is a required part? no I guess not...your not giving me any reason as to why this is a required meaningful part of the game.

WilliamRLBaker

You don't get the whole story if you don't have the pass. It's like playing gears of war and they removing chapter 4 and making you jump from 3 to 5.

In the words of catherine Marlowe,

'devs and publishers only want whats thiers'

If escalation was the norm then we'd all be dead and the universe wouldn't exist. as I said when something meaningful gets taken out get back to me.WilliamRLBaker

You act as if the scenario he describes is imaginary, yet it has already existed on the PC for a few years now. There are a huge number of retail PC games that irrevocably tie to an online account; without that account the discs are worthless coasters.

Do you really think publishers won't do the same for console games as soon as they think they can get away with it?

I fully blame it on the CEO's of game stores pushing there employees to slam used sales down the throats of there customers. You have no idea the pressure they put on there employees to sell the used copies.

The whole thing is stupid beyond belief. You buy a game and get to start your fun by entering a 25 digit code, imagine if everything you buy had to be verified like that. Next gen the big thing won't be motion controls, it will be barcode readers.

Since when was playing games a human right? xD

The question shouldn't be 'do you like online passes', it should be 'are you bothered by online passes'? I am not bothered since I am a PC gamer and get all my purchases digitally now. As for my console purchases, I always buy new.

I fully blame it on the CEO's of game stores pushing there employees to slam used sales down the throats of there customers. You have no idea the pressure they put on there employees to sell the used copies.

Skreltch

They push used games because their entire business model relies on those used sales. When they convince you to buy a used copy you're saving $5 but they are also better off because that used copy cost them less to put on the shelf. If you trade that game back to them later on they make even more money because they give you a small amount of store credit for it (or a lesser amount of cash), meaning you'll continue to use their trading ecosystem, and that game can put right back on the shelf at a near-new price. They'll repeat this infinitely until that copy drops out of the trading ecosystem.

Passes threaten GameStop's business model, which is why they are experimenting with streaming and digital distribution. A time will come when console games are almost completely unplayable without the associated pass, and GameStop wants to be well established in such alternate markets by then.

I buy the majority of my games brand new and I only sell the games that I really dislike so I couldn't give a flying ford fiesta. :)

If this stuff is really getting people upset I'm starting to think video games and addiction goes with each other. If everyone didn't buy any game for a week they would listen.

You know what ? if kills models like gamestop, I'm all for it, I loath thier pre-order BS, they actually carry alot of clout with devs and publishers,

Its just like PC gaming....

You know what ? if kills models like gamestop, I'm all for it, I loath thier pre-order BS, they actually carry alot of clout with devs and publishers,

Zaibach

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

You know what ? if kills models like gamestop, I'm all for it, I loath thier pre-order BS, they actually carry alot of clout with devs and publishers,

nintendoboy16

The pre-order bonuses actually segments the gaming community, if you bought your game from amazon , you get a different tool in the game that changes the experience from someone who bought the game from gamestop. So if you want the full experience, what do you do? buy from both?

We'll continue to buy used and learn to do without. Not an issue.

They're stupid.I don't care how you spin it.We get something that makes it more annoying for a gamer to be a gamer.

Any time you buy a game new instead of used specifically because you want to get the bundled pass or DLC you're telling the publisher "thanks for ripping me off, please rip me off more often and more severely in the future".

On the PC many games are irrevocably tied to an online account, making the disc itself worthless without the associated login. This is the future for consoles if bundled passes and DLC continue to be successful. Yes, you brought this on yourself.

[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]Dosent bother me, i dont buy usedgarrett_daniels

This isn't just about actually exchanging money for a used copy but any and all uses of a game with bundling. Borrowing from a friend, having multiple consoles in the same house... these situations and more are made much more difficult by the publisher's greed.

In some cases players have bought new copies of a game only to find the pass is refused due to a technical issue or whatever. Have fun convincing tech support that you aren't trying to cheat them.

I can't support what I see as gouging. To me this is similar to the banks wanting to charge me $5 a month to use a debit card to access my own money. Nothing more than corporate greed.

So I just won't buy a Game Pass equipped game unless I know it is something I want to keep. In the past I would take chances on games knowing I could re-sell the stinkers and not loose much money. Now I am not going to buy those games. So while companies will make revenue off of these game passes, more than likely overall their sales will be dropping on future games.

In next 2 years every game will have an online pass

And most singleplayer games will have start game pass and ending pass

Online passes are wrong and represent just one of the many things wrong with the industry today.

i Try To buy New, But What Happens if the game Isn't Available New?

The 1st thing i always want to ask when someone complains about "ONLINE PASSES" i want to know whether they pay for XBL? XBL is an online pass itself. I purchased the MP on a disc yet microsft locks us out of that MP content unless we pay for their online pass whcih they call "XBL Gold Subscription". Microsoft has being doing this for years, its nothing new.

Anybody who pays for XBL but is against online passes is a hipcrite. You literally have done this yourself kids.

The 1st thing i always want to ask when someone complains about "ONLINE PASSES" i want to know whether they pay for XBL? XBL is an online pass itself. I purchased the MP on a disc yet microsft locks us out of that MP content unless we pay for their online pass whcih they call "XBL Gold Subscription". Microsoft has being doing this for years, its nothing new.

brucecambell

[QUOTE="garrett_daniels"]Yeah those greedy publishers who publish the game and has the right to make money,and they have to cope with store like Gamestop which are making billions at their expenses. Every time you bough a used game you are not helping any one but gamestop,and they make no games,in fact is quite a horrible company basically a monopoly in the game business,the old days were so much better when they were more than 1 chain,Electronic Boutique and Babages. Yes people brought this on then self,for going after the $5 or $10 cheaper used copy instead of the new,and giving their games some times for almost nothing to gamestop and the likes of them. Borrowing from a friend is not the biggest issues,and i don't even think publishers care much for it,is the fact that they see how gamestop make half their money from used sales.tormentos

Yes, let's all blame Gamestop. Because they don't sell new games, accessories and consoles, promote games and developers, or any of that other garbage that actually helps stimulate the gaming industry. No, they just sit there like a fat lump and leech off of developers. Yep, that's Gamestop alright.

I'm seriously god damn tired of hearing "Used games and gamestop go hand in hand, and they're both EVIL!!!" Unfortunately, no amount of actual logic ever helps anybody stop being an idiot for two minutes. Maybe I should stop reading these topics altogether.

Yes, let's all blame Gamestop. Because they don't sell new games, accessories and consoles, promote games and developers, or any of that other garbage that actually helps stimulate the gaming industry. No, they just sit there like a fat lump and leech off of developers. Yep, that's Gamestop alright.

I'm seriously god damn tired of hearing "Used games and gamestop go hand in hand, and they're both EVIL!!!" Unfortunately, no amount of actual logic ever helps anybody stop being an idiot for two minutes. Maybe I should stop reading these topics altogether.

Greyfeld

Used games are not evil. GameStop isn't evil despite some of its more seedy practices. But they exist in an ecosystem separated from the creative side of the industry. Used gamers, who only buy used games, are a leech on the creative industry.

But you shouldn't expect all these "stupid people," who prefer to see the people who create the products they enjoy rewarded, to love GameStop as much as you seemingly do. Nor shed tears at your plight because you brought DRM/CD Keys to console gaming. If that all offends your digital ears, then you probably should stop reading these topics.

[QUOTE="brucecambell"]

The 1st thing i always want to ask when someone complains about "ONLINE PASSES" i want to know whether they pay for XBL? XBL is an online pass itself. I purchased the MP on a disc yet microsft locks us out of that MP content unless we pay for their online pass whcih they call "XBL Gold Subscription". Microsoft has being doing this for years, its nothing new.

nintendoboy16

Gamestop gives people the online pass code if they buy Arkham City used

http://kotaku.com/5849828/dont-fret-used-gamers-gamestop-has-catwoman-codes-for-preowned-arkham-city-purchasers

Since when was playing games a human right? xD

o0squishy0o

Gamestop gives people the online pass code if they buy Arkham City used

http://kotaku.com/5849828/dont-fret-used-gamers-gamestop-has-catwoman-codes-for-preowned-arkham-city-purchasers

jessmaster13

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"][QUOTE="brucecambell"]

The 1st thing i always want to ask when someone complains about "ONLINE PASSES" i want to know whether they pay for XBL? XBL is an online pass itself. I purchased the MP on a disc yet microsft locks us out of that MP content unless we pay for their online pass whcih they call "XBL Gold Subscription". Microsoft has being doing this for years, its nothing new.

LOXO7

Warner Bros are stupid, lol now people that dont have internet can just buy a used copy since they wont be able to get the catwoman missions anyways, WB shot them selfs in the ass.

Restrictive DRM is here to stay sadly. Won't be surprised whenwe see console games being locked to accounts ala Steam. Doesn't matter if the technology is there to allow us consumer rights even in an all digital medium. That only hurts the publishers, developers, and distributors. They'll move toward the model that rewards them the most and unfortunately alot of people are giving them the ok. Never seen people to happy to give up their right of ownership to a corporation.

Yes, let's all blame Gamestop. Because they don't sell new games, accessories and consoles, promote games and developers, or any of that other garbage that actually helps stimulate the gaming industry. No, they just sit there like a fat lump and leech off of developers. Yep, that's Gamestop alright.I'm seriously god damn tired of hearing "Used games and gamestop go hand in hand, and they're both EVIL!!!" Unfortunately, no amount of actual logic ever helps anybody stop being an idiot for two minutes. Maybe I should stop reading these topics altogether.Greyfeld

[QUOTE="Greyfeld"]Yes, let's all blame Gamestop. Because they don't sell new games, accessories and consoles, promote games and developers, or any of that other garbage that actually helps stimulate the gaming industry. No, they just sit there like a fat lump and leech off of developers. Yep, that's Gamestop alright.I'm seriously god damn tired of hearing "Used games and gamestop go hand in hand, and they're both EVIL!!!" Unfortunately, no amount of actual logic ever helps anybody stop being an idiot for two minutes. Maybe I should stop reading these topics altogether.tormentos

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

so this is a required part? no I guess not...your not giving me any reason as to why this is a required meaningful part of the game.

GD1551

You don't get the whole story if you don't have the pass. It's like playing gears of war and they removing chapter 4 and making you jump from 3 to 5.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]If escalation was the norm then we'd all be dead and the universe wouldn't exist. as I said when something meaningful gets taken out get back to me.garrett_daniels

You act as if the scenario he describes is imaginary, yet it has already existed on the PC for a few years now. There are a huge number of retail PC games that irrevocably tie to an online account; without that account the discs are worthless coasters.

Do you really think publishers won't do the same for console games as soon as they think they can get away with it?