Zelda for WiiU looks...underwhelming

my point was... simple puzzles are simple... and they were, in all the zeldas oh sure there were creative elements.

But insulting Skyrim's dungeons... when in reality they gave far better combat/stealth oppurtunities... and the thrill of loot whoring outweighs puzzles that largely revolve around "look what special item is in this dungeon! now use it over and over again".

The individual puzzles are not that complex. The complexity is in the way the entire dungeon comes together by virtue of the interaction of the smaller parts.

Not saying you're wrong, but what is so thrilling about loot whoring?

Graphics are okish but nowhere near of that ingame scripted cutscene i was looking few months back.

Its cute though and in the end of the day you dont play zelda for its open world ..there are far better games about open worlds and zelda wont be one of them.

Now what i didnt like personally was the combat system. For example the horse ride we saw was excellent ...the fight gameplay system looked ..bad ( in a way that it felt past gen like and simplistic for a next-gen zelda ) ! Game is in alpha beta ?? So lets see when it gets a release. Its a zelda after all , will be good.

What's so thrilling about playing as a clueless automaton that constantly gets pushed around by an annoying sprite?

Even if I agreed with you about Link being a clueless automaton, it wouldn't really matter. I don't play Zelda for character development.

The hypocrisy of some lemmings xD

I can't believe you are championing Skyrim's dungeons while belittling the ones in Zelda for repetition. Zelda games have cool dungeons that may or may not be difficult, but at least they are creative and cohesively designed. Sure they follow a structure of mini-boss -> item -> final boss but it's kept fresh throughout the games. Now let's look at Skyrim and just about any Elder Scrolls game: it's a randomly generated cave/crypt/labryrinth you walk into with the same stupid random corridors that lead you to fight the same randomly generated colour palette swapped enemies with slightly more health just to open a chest for a sword that does an extra +2 damage. You can't be serious bashing Zelda for it's dungeon structures when Skyrim is a hundred times worse.

And you draw this conclusion based on...what? A very brief gameplay demonstration where footage was cut to keep us from seeing things we weren't supposed to? The trailer from E3 that told us next to nothing? Man, dem sources...

Really, we still know very little.

Its in alpha and they plan on releasing it this year?! Pfft, knowing Nintendo the release date is a lie and it will be delayed.

Looks pretty dope to me. That was only a demo, I'm sure the final version will be impressive.

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That happens to most good games yes, they get delayed.

The world was lifeless in OoT, MM, and WW...but it's Nintendo and Zelda so...yeah...the ones that haven't grown out of Nintendo games will say stuff like "better than anything on PS4 or xbox!!!!!"

Looks amazing to me. I don't own a wiiu but I might. The most successful game developers in history probably know how to make it fun.

The idea that you have to grow out of the taste for it when we are talking g about videogames. You run around shooting people in the face in a virtual world, yeah that's so mature thanks for enlightening us on the objective facts.

If you like Nintendo you don't have refined tastes everyone.

A bit to early to be bitching about the game when Nintendo hasn't even shown that much. What we saw from the off screen footage was just the tip of the iceberg.

"Zelda U's world looks empty".

Yeah and Uncharted 4 will suck because it's 100% jungle, as has clearly been proven by the trailer. Logic hurp durp.

We've barely seen it...

@rabakill: I see why you're in that camp. You completely botched the "grow out of Zelda" comment.

You gave a childish depiction of it....so I'm not surprised about what you said.

Anyway you cut it, it was one hell of an underwhelming demonstration.

Hell, Ferrari mine as well let us in to the assembly line and have them turn the steering wheel of their newest model while sitting in the unpainted, carbon fiber shell and explaining to us how the car will react. Nintendo has zero ability or even the faintest clue on how to build hype and excitement. Leave it to them to make entertainment come off as extremely boring, as you couldn't spell out dullness better if you tried.

I can appreciate developer transparency....up to a point.

You have to admit it would be pretty amazing if the next Zelda was a rehash of the 80's cartoon.

haha what a tool. Oh boohoo someone doesn't agree with you therefore they have bad tastes. The definition of a douchebag. If you find yourself in the bashing people's preference side you need to take a serious look in the mirror and realize people probably don't actually like you.

Haven't grown out of Nintendo games? Nice to see you stereotype everyone who plays Nintendo games.

For the record, I like Skyrim and Fallout, and I do think they do some things better then Zelda does. But honestly, do we have to resort to the "You only like Nintendo games because you can't grow up! argument?" It's no better then the stupid "Playstation and Xbox only appeal to Mountain Dew chugging dude bros that play Call of Duty non-stop!" argument.

It is possible to enjoy both Nintendo games and game on other platforms. I'm one of those people.

I have to see more footage and details to make a good opinion on the new Zelda Wii u game.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaait

Everyone's talking like as if Ninty released shitload of info already, and all I remember is that off-screen thing last month or so. Did I miss something? Or is this yet another clueless cow circle jerk thread?

lol bashing Zelda's dungeons and then praising Skyrim's dungeons. Dude you're making yourself look stupid now.

Did he seriously praise Skyrim combat?

I'm sure he was joking, he had to be.

All we have is an Off Screen Recording to go by and the game looks pretty far from done.

I'd say wait till at least E3.

Are people supposed to grow out of Nintendo games?

Skyrim uses the same animation system as Doom 2 only adapted for 3D.

TC critisizes Zelda Wii U

Then gloats about Uncharted 4

oh lord

You're a huge Sony fanboy. Why would any of us care what you think?

Not belittleing for dungeon repitition (just the ones like water temple ... flicking switches and going to different levels over and over) ... I'm belittling because puzzles (especialy 5 year old friend ones) are not as fun as the hack n slash / stealth / combat / loot alternatives.

Ofcourse thats opinion, but I bet its the majority opinion confidently.... zelda is hardly a billion dollar winner anymore... maybe adults dont like 5 year old friendly puzzles as the main gameplay of a dungeon.... to me its more mindless than the mindless skyrim combat.

Yet you cared enough to respond anyway. =p

Nintendo fans spend more time on the internets trying to persuade everyone why Zelda is so great than playing their beloved games. That says a lot about where their priorities lie (and how shitty the games really are) If you spend more time trying to argue with cows then playing your little Nintendo games then it begs questioning just how good these games really are.

@MarkAndExecute said:

@clone01 said:

@NathanDrakeSwag said:

The world looks lifeless, combat looks awkward, graphics are nothing special. If it wasn't named Zelda would anyone be hyping it more than say The Witcher 3?

You're a huge Sony fanboy. Why would any of us care what you think?

Yet you cared enough to respond anyway. =p

Nintendo fans spend more time on the internets trying to persuade everyone why Zelda is so great than playing their beloved game. That says a lot about where their priorities lie.

Yet you're the guy who spends most of his time being obsessed with a fanbase of all things.

Sad.

@GreySeal9 said:

@MarkAndExecute said:

@clone01 said:

@NathanDrakeSwag said:

The world looks lifeless, combat looks awkward, graphics are nothing special. If it wasn't named Zelda would anyone be hyping it more than say The Witcher 3?

You're a huge Sony fanboy. Why would any of us care what you think?

Yet you cared enough to respond anyway. =p

Nintendo fans spend more time on the internets trying to persuade everyone why Zelda is so great than playing their beloved game. That says a lot about where their priorities lie.

Yet you're the guy who spends most of his time being obsessed with a fanbase of all things.

Sad.

Just like a Nintendo fan trying so hard to defend his precious company lol

@rabakill: it's not that you disagree with me....it's that you're a child and it's easy to tell by your posts and interpretation of what I said.

Which is why I said I'm not surprised you're still into Zelda.

It's a little too early to say but certainly true that regardless of the quality of the game it is a sacred cow that people will act as if it's the best game ever and act offended if you criticise it for a while, until of course they admit it's not as good as they've made out.

The rest of us have been playing open world games for a long time now, this doesn't look special at this stage. If this wasn't zelda, people wouldn't be too stoked about it. I quite like the art style though so far. But this is the first open world game Nintendo has attempted in this way and it's not as simple as making a big world. You have to fill it, seamlessly, and make it interesting. Plenty of companies have failed in the past. They say there will be lots to do, but what? Elder Scrolls' exploration is tied to its very rich lore. GTA has a world of chaos where everything is connected and feels real. So why didn't Watch Dogs succeed? I don't know. It's hard to quantify.

Nintendo have a hard task. You can write off the ejaculations of the fanboys for about six months as the game will be untouchable until then but time will tell whether Nintendo have a classic on their hands.

Insinuating Zelda fans have not played open world games.

@KungfuKitten: No I didn't. Don't be stupid I said nothing of the sort.

@mr_huggles_dog: oh yeah you can tell what age someone is based on something you disagree with. And if you're completely baseless assumption is wrong does that make you a douchebag?

I know people who are in their 60's and enjoy Zelda titles, so this whole "you never grew out of Nintendo games" is crap. Age doesn't define anything when it comes too well made titles, which every company can and does produce. I have been playing video games for 20 years, owned every Nintendo console, 2 out of 3 Xbox consoles and 2 out of 4 Sony consoles and yet I still enjoy Zelda as a series, my favorite too tell the truth. Does that mean I haven't grown up? No. It just means I know what I want from my video games. It has nothing to do with age or a defining feature of "growing up". I could pull that card out for all the COD fanatics or any games we ourselves may see as "childish" but in a world of being subjective no one is right or wrong. You believe what you believe and all the power to you, but too claim people who enjoy Zelda "haven't grown up" is just utter nonsense.

I feel like I've grown out of the GTA series, and pretty much all other open world games at this point. GTA was my favorite series for about 10 years, but I hated BOGT and haven't even tried GTA5 yet. If I'm not building something, solving a puzzle, or being challenged, I'm just not that interested anymore.

I just finished A Link Between Worlds a few days ago. That was one brilliant game. I wouldn't call it easy, either. I died ZERO times, but I'm also a Zelda master. Yet there were some pause moments relating to some of the puzzles. Wall walking really opened up a lot of puzzle opportunities. I really enjoyed the "treasure quests" throughout Hyrule/Lorule. But to my point--the puzzles in Zelda games. I view them more as a critical thinking type of layout. They are very logically laid out in front of the player and it is more about the time one spends solving them vs putting a brain-fck at every other turn.

This nature extends to almost every Nintendo game out there, as well. A great example is Mario 64. You are given a move set, a geometrical map, and usually an A to B goal. It is the in between that is the challenge and skill development available to the game. I'd like to see all these "Nintendo makes kiddie games" people play through a level of Mario 64 and see how their approach compares to an advanced player. My guess is that these people would end up playing the game like children do, as the games are naturally made accessible to everyone for the very reason of developing some skill within the game.

@MarkAndExecute said:

@clone01 said:

@NathanDrakeSwag said:

The world looks lifeless, combat looks awkward, graphics are nothing special. If it wasn't named Zelda would anyone be hyping it more than say The Witcher 3?

You're a huge Sony fanboy. Why would any of us care what you think?

Yet you cared enough to respond anyway. =p

Nintendo fans spend more time on the internets trying to persuade everyone why Zelda is so great than playing their beloved games. That says a lot about where their priorities lie (and how shitty the games really are) If you spend more time trying to argue with cows then playing your little Nintendo games then it begs questioning just how good these games really are.

You can say that about any fanboy group.

@quatoe:

It's not the age that I'm really talking about...it's about sense. I know of a guy whos a brony....I'm sure you've had your own words towards them in your time. The fact that I don't care if anyone likes Zelda or MLP (or do if you have to be combative and just argue with me) doesn't change the fact that there's still something to say about a group of ppl who like the respecting subjects. For different reasons....but the idea is the same.

@rabakill: Again....has nothing to do with the fact we disagree. <===== Again...that misunderstanding time and time again with you...is why I might not know your age.....but your how mature or childish..or whatever you want to call it....but it ain't with the sharp tools in the shed.