Zelda: Skyward Sword........i don't even..... (56k)

I think Skyward Sword will offer nothing new except the look and still not compare or innovate over Ocarina of Time. Personally, it will probably just suck.

Agree with TC.

I don't know why Nintendo deserves the benefit of the doubt when it comes to the Zelda series. They've been overpromising and underdelivering ever since Wind Waker. From pointless quest padding (Triforce Hunt, Temple of the Ocean King) to stale design to uninspired overworlds, they really seem to have lost the thread of what made the series special in the past. Why should I continue to believe in them?

Maybe a "wait and see" attitude makes sense, but right now, I trust Anouma about as much as I trust Peter Molyneux to tell me what will be good about his upcoming game.

sonicmj1

I think Skyward Sword will offer nothing new except the look and still not compare or innovate over Ocarina of Time. Personally, it will probably just suck.

Agree with TC.

Kori-san

I'm a long time zelda player beat all the zelda's except TP/WW

To be honest I hated the art style in WW the most but twilight princess's style also through me off he looks nothing like he should like in ocarina and smash bro melee

his twilight looked HORRIBLE IMO nothing like LTTP or Ocarina, its hard to describe it but he just doesn't seem himself in that game

Now im not fan of wind wakers art but skyward sword looks more like ocarina then any twilights

I'm glad their going with his more traditional look this could be the zelda game that gets me back to the wii cuz TP looked not dark but he didn't look right at all imo

Looks bad, play ok, i like zelda, to an extent. But it looks like crap, got spoiled by crysis. :(

Awesome thread is awesome.

I've always wanted a darker... M rated Zelda.. coming from Nintendo.. that will NEVER happen.. but one can dream. Instead we get a "paint" themed game... With motion controls....

Gosh I hope there is an option for the standard controller... doesn't look like it though with the enemy design...

They should have kept the Wand of Gamelon art style.

It is simply superior.

They should have kept the Wand of Gamelon art style.

It is simply superior.

Storm_Marine

Infact I think I'll print that out and put it over my bed.

You da man... agreed.

I'm not wowed at all by what I've seen and read - anticipating a new Zelda was the reason I was hanging on to the Wii - I dunno ? :?

On a side note, give me something like this to ...

...shake up the franchise. :P

I just hate the fact people diss the new Zelda before playing it.

Oh ****, you're back for reals. Anyway, your responses are valid but I am not as optimistic as you are. I can't imagine that they're planning to talk only about the controls until the last minute when they say "Oh yeah, we also made all these other changes that the franchise desperately needs."Cherokee_Jack

lol. Apparently i was unbanned a few months ago. Really should have checked more.

I think the way theyre going to unveil the game will be similar to how they showed SMG2. First we got a trailer at E3 that pretty much showed recycled areas from SMG1, next trailer was in Feburary the next year which expanded upon that and finally a month before launch is when we saw everything. The new orchestrated music, new mechanics and designs. I think they'll follow a similar pattern with Zelda, although maybe a bit earlier. Because its like you said, we desperately need to see the changes. I just hope we get an official trailer soon (this year) but i could definately see them waiting till next year for our next media. Which would be a shame.

I've always wanted a darker... M rated Zelda.. coming from Nintendo.. that will NEVER happen.. but one can dream. Instead we get a "paint" themed game... With motion controls....

Gosh I hope there is an option for the standard controller... doesn't look like it though with the enemy design...

Infinite_Access

Can you explain what you mean by a darker Zelda? Moreso, what would you personally consider/want from a darker Zelda title?

And there will definately not be standard control scheme for SS. Besides the fact all of the games aspects will be designed around motion controls, If Nintendo had standard too it would be the biggest failure this gen. Practically them going back on everything theyve said this gen.

You da man... agreed.

I'm not wowed at all by what I've seen and read - anticipating a new Zelda was the reason I was hanging on to the Wii - I dunno ? :?

On a side note, give me something like this to ...

...shake up the franchise. :P

SecretPolice

:lol: i really laughed at that pic. No idea why.

From what i remember years back, you werent expecting much from Wind Waker and ended up being blown away. All i can say is just wait and see really.

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

You da man... agreed.

I'm not wowed at all by what I've seen and read - anticipating a new Zelda was the reason I was hanging on to the Wii - I dunno ? :?

On a side note, give me something like this to ...

...shake up the franchise. :P

San_09

Lol, another fool who hasnt read the first post:lol:

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

lol. Apparently i was unbanned a few months ago. Really should have checked more.

I think the way theyre going to unveil the game will be similar to how they showed SMG2. First we got a trailer at E3 that pretty much showed recycled areas from SMG1, next trailer was in Feburary the next year which expanded upon that and finally a month before launch is when we saw everything. The new orchestrated music, new mechanics and designs. I think they'll follow a similar pattern with Zelda, although maybe a bit earlier. Because its like you said, we desperately need to see the changes. I just hope we get an official trailer soon (this year) but i could definately see them waiting till next year for our next media. Which would be a shame.

[QUOTE="Infinite_Access"]

I've always wanted a darker... M rated Zelda.. coming from Nintendo.. that will NEVER happen.. but one can dream. Instead we get a "paint" themed game... With motion controls....

Gosh I hope there is an option for the standard controller... doesn't look like it though with the enemy design...

shutdown_202

Can you explain what you mean by a darker Zelda? Moreso, what would you personally consider/want from a darker Zelda title?

And there will definately not be standard control scheme for SS. Besides the fact all of the games aspects will be designed around motion controls, If Nintendo had standard too it would be the biggest failure this gen. Practically them going back on everything theyve said this gen.

You da man... agreed.

I'm not wowed at all by what I've seen and read - anticipating a new Zelda was the reason I was hanging on to the Wii - I dunno ? :?

On a side note, give me something like this to ...

...shake up the franchise. :P

SecretPolice

:lol: i really laughed at that pic. No idea why.

From what i remember years back, you werent expecting much from Wind Waker and ended up being blown away. All i can say is just wait and see really.

Happy ya got a chuckle out of it.

Yeah, WW is mah fav. and I will no doubt judge the final product on it's own merits but as of now I'm just not wowed but I sure hope I end up being...

...blown away.

[QUOTE="DaViD_99"]I agree, it really looked washed out. But I think they are spending most of the time before release it being spent on graphics And no voice acting was confirmed by aonuma from latest np. foxhound_fox

By change they mean change in game flow. It's not going to be the same as it was in previous Zelda titles. Voice acting doesn't entirely matter, in my opinion. I don't care, reading the small bits of text in between the game isn't that difficult for me to do.

Preach on TC, preach on.siLVURcross

A darker Zelda...would have a dark creepy medieval feel to it. A mix between the new Robin Hood movie and maybe a little castlevania. Another thing I never like about Zelda is the lack of personality from the Bosses. All they do is protect an artifact in dungeons but there is never any really beef with Link or connection to Ganon. The games for a long time have been too cute and fluffy to me. And why went people discuss this must we take shots at DMC GoW and Ninja G?? Zelda guys always do it now when the concept of a better Zelda comes up. The makers of Zelda should play Limbo to that feeling of darkness and wonder the original gold cartridge had...trial and error

[QUOTE="sonicmj1"]

I don't know why Nintendo deserves the benefit of the doubt when it comes to the Zelda series. They've been overpromising and underdelivering ever since Wind Waker. From pointless quest padding (Triforce Hunt, Temple of the Ocean King) to stale design to uninspired overworlds, they really seem to have lost the thread of what made the series special in the past. Why should I continue to believe in them?

Maybe a "wait and see" attitude makes sense, but right now, I trust Anouma about as much as I trust Peter Molyneux to tell me what will be good about his upcoming game.

oldkingallant

Perhaps you're so busy reading numbers on Metacritic that you can't actually assess the games you play, but that's obviously not the case. Zelda games have been running lower and lower on imagination since Majora's Mask, and it shows. Twilight Princess, especially, felt like such an obvious retread of expected Zelda concepts that it's a wonder it took them three years to make it. Was it that hard for them to mirror the world? Its 8.8 score was completely deserved, and IGN was justified when they chose Okami over Twilight Princess for their GOTY 2006. That game had more clever ideas and a more vibrant world than any Zelda game in nearly a decade. The world map was something to be involved in instead of something to ignore, and I actually got satisfaction from exploring.

Maybe if these were the days of Link to the Past, Link's Awakening, and Ocarina of Time, I'd believe Nintendo when they tell me they're changing the series for the better, but while it's the same people that promised me that Twilight Princess would have a 70 hour main quest, I'll continue to be skeptical.

Thank god I'm not the only one who realizes that the E3 demo has little to do with the final game outside of controls and art ****

789shadow

Couldn't say better, kind of remind me when Lemms attacked GOW 3 demo.

For those worried about Skyward Sword's graphics being lazy.

Look how much worse some of the first images of Wind Waker looked compared to the final product. This game will improve visually before its release. Iwata even said that improving the graphics was one of the main things they working on.

You can't compare TP's Link with Smash Bro's Brawl Link, both games have very different technical demands. Otherwise I agree.

[QUOTE="sonicmj1"]

I don't know why Nintendo deserves the benefit of the doubt when it comes to the Zelda series. They've been overpromising and underdelivering ever since Wind Waker. From pointless quest padding (Triforce Hunt, Temple of the Ocean King) to stale design to uninspired overworlds, they really seem to have lost the thread of what made the series special in the past. Why should I continue to believe in them?

Maybe a "wait and see" attitude makes sense, but right now, I trust Anouma about as much as I trust Peter Molyneux to tell me what will be good about his upcoming game.

oldkingallant

Can you explain what you mean by a darker Zelda? Moreso, what would you personally consider/want from a darker Zelda title?shutdown_202

[QUOTE="DaViD_99"]I agree, it really looked washed out. But I think they are spending most of the time before release it being spent on graphics And no voice acting was confirmed by aonuma from latest np. foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="DaViD_99"]I agree, it really looked washed out. But I think they are spending most of the time before release it being spent on graphics And no voice acting was confirmed by aonuma from latest np. Shinobishyguy

Yeah, it's pretty clear that that was a logical fallacy. :P

yeah because It's impossible to change anything thing else about the game if it doesn't have voice acting. all hope is lost :roll:Shinobishyguy

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]yeah because It's impossible to change anything thing else about the game if it doesn't have voice acting. all hope is lost :roll:foxhound_fox

I don't believe that for a second.

at first i thought u were bashing it but marvelous post. the art direction will get better they said they will do the graphics last im so excited for this game

I don't believe that for a second.

789shadow

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

I don't believe that for a second.

foxhound_fox

You gave no indication of hyperbole. That post does not contain hyperbole, in fact. What you are doing is trying to change the meaning of what you posted after the fact.

[QUOTE="shutdown_202"]Can you explain what you mean by a darker Zelda? Moreso, what would you personally consider/want from a darker Zelda title?foxhound_fox

This i can agree with. But something like this

"A darker Zelda...would have a dark creepy medieval feel to it. A mix between the new Robin Hood movie and maybe a little castlevania." - Coolyfett

Coolyfett

Would just be an attempt at being dark, and a clear failure.

The reason MM worked so well was because of how decieving it was. On the outside, it looks like a normal Zelda title, looking at it further however you start seeing peoples desperation and subtle creepiness Then you have that pressurising feeling throughout the game, sad conclusions and lo........ok il stop there, im not sure if youve finished it yet. It was the perfect balance of not trampling on the series and shining it in a new light.

I think when most people say dark/mature Zelda, they mean moving towards something like Dragon Age. Thats just something i hope never happens tbh.

For those worried about Skyward Sword's graphics being lazy.

Look how much worse some of the first images of Wind Waker looked compared to the final product. This game will improve visually before its release. Iwata even said that improving the graphics was one of the main things they working on.

meetroid8

To further this point, this was the first WW trailer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ7riCXrDxY

Its literally the same format as the SS sword trailer which was one of the reasons there was a large backlash. One type of enemy in a small secluded forest arena. Clearly just an indication of the direction Nintendo had taken the graphics.

Just one last point.

After TP was complete (around late 2005?) Nintendo changed the twilight realm art.

Originally supposed to look like a monotoned verson of Hyrule

It was changed to the bloomy realm we have now

Im not saying SS art will change as radically as this, but expect it to improve before launch. Mainly in the area of textures and detail.

Now that i think about it, nearly every console Zelda (ALTTP, OOT, WW and TP) have changed quite a bit graphically from when first shown to launch. Interesting.

To further this point, this was the first WW trailer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ7riCXrDxY

Its literally the same format as the SS sword trailer which was one of the reasons there was a large backlash. One type of enemy in a small secluded forest arena. Clearly just an indication of the direction Nintendo had taken the graphics.

shutdown_202

Wow that really didn't show anything about the game :P

Not even the huge ocean in the game.

I hope Nintendo has a huge surprise in story for fans with SS. They haven't even shown the overworld yet.

[QUOTE="shutdown_202"]

To further this point, this was the first WW trailer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ7riCXrDxY

Its literally the same format as the SS sword trailer which was one of the reasons there was a large backlash. One type of enemy in a small secluded forest arena. Clearly just an indication of the direction Nintendo had taken the graphics.

AmayaPapaya

Wow that really didn't show anything about the game :P

Not even the huge ocean in the game.

I hope Nintendo has a huge surprise in story for fans with SS. They haven't even shown the overworld yet.

Why does link have a lightsaber in one of the pics?

Why does link have a lightsaber in one of the pics?

bowser3

I agree. It's sad that so many Nintendo fans just can't be happy. They will find anything they can to complain about. You should have seen the Donkey Kong Country Returns board it was terrible.

bobcheeseball

I think the way theyre going to unveil the game will be similar to how they showed SMG2. First we got a trailer at E3 that pretty much showed recycled areas from SMG1, next trailer was in Feburary the next year which expanded upon that and finally a month before launch is when we saw everything. The new orchestrated music, new mechanics and designs. I think they'll follow a similar pattern with Zelda, although maybe a bit earlier. Because its like you said, we desperately need to see the changes. I just hope we get an official trailer soon (this year) but i could definately see them waiting till next year for our next media. Which would be a shame.

shutdown_202

That's true, they did hold back some of the Galaxy 2 stuff. It's just somewhat worrying because this game has been in development for years, and they're only just starting to release information. I'd rather they hurry it up if they really have anything else of consequence to show.

[QUOTE="bobcheeseball"]

I agree. It's sad that so many Nintendo fans just can't be happy. They will find anything they can to complain about. You should have seen the Donkey Kong Country Returns board it was terrible.

Guppy507

[QUOTE="Guppy507"][QUOTE="bobcheeseball"]

I agree. It's sad that so many Nintendo fans just can't be happy. They will find anything they can to complain about. You should have seen the Donkey Kong Country Returns board it was terrible.

nintendo-4life

[QUOTE="Guppy507"][QUOTE="bobcheeseball"]

I agree. It's sad that so many Nintendo fans just can't be happy. They will find anything they can to complain about. You should have seen the Donkey Kong Country Returns board it was terrible.

nintendo-4life

[QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"]

[QUOTE="shutdown_202"]

To further this point, this was the first WW trailer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ7riCXrDxY

Its literally the same format as the SS sword trailer which was one of the reasons there was a large backlash. One type of enemy in a small secluded forest arena. Clearly just an indication of the direction Nintendo had taken the graphics.

nintendo-4life

Wow that really didn't show anything about the game :P

Not even the huge ocean in the game.

I hope Nintendo has a huge surprise in story for fans with SS. They haven't even shown the overworld yet.

I still think there is going to be a cool twist with the overworld. It sounds like the game takes place before people were even in Hyrule, so there is a lot they could do with that.