Zombie Apocalypse - Simulation. Yup, consoles are now completely irrelevant.

[QUOTE="JohnF111"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] and console gamers don't? Please. Thats how we went from Morrowind to Oblivion.blue_hazy_basic

[QUOTE="JohnF111"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] and console gamers don't? Please. Thats how we went from Morrowind to Oblivion.blue_hazy_basic

You make it seem as though Morrowind's combat was deep, fun, rewarding, or even remotely good for that matter...

All in all, the only thing Oblivion did better than Morrowind was combat, which considering the fact that Oblivion combat was still among the worst this gen, really says something about Bethesda's poor implementation of combat.

[QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

real games>mods but this does look pretty good.

blue_hazy_basic

How many hours are we talking about here? Because skill based games like fighting games and STGs suck away tons of hours.

Until pc's get Demon's Souls/Dark Souls...pc gaming is irrelevant.

TheMoreYouOwn

ARMA2, Diablo3 and The Witcher 2/1 >>> Demon Souls

I enjoy some of my console exclusives, but no shooter on consoles is even half as good as ARMA2.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="JohnF111"] Both are good games whats your point? I never liked oblivion much i hated the fact that monsters levelled up along side you, it was terrible, could kill pretty much anything in 2 hits or 4 on higher difficulty.JohnF111

Link to gameplay video

This is a mod for Arma 2 btw. So many people downplaying mods saying there's nothing that's worth it, and well here's your proof.

nintendog66

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

real games>mods but this does look pretty good.

How many hours are we talking about here? Because skill based games like fighting games and STGs suck away tons of hours.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="JohnF111"] Both are good games whats your point? I never liked oblivion much i hated the fact that monsters levelled up along side you, it was terrible, could kill pretty much anything in 2 hits or 4 on higher difficulty.Kickinurass

You make it seem as though Morrowind's combat was deep, fun, rewarding, or even remotely good for that matter...

All in all, the only thing Oblivion did better than Morrowind was combat, which considering the fact that Oblivion combat was still among the worst this gen, really says something about Bethesda's poor implementation of combat.

[QUOTE="Yangire"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] If you'd played Stainless Steel or Third Age mods for MTW2 you wouldn't say that. EIther of those has more hours of gameplay than any console game.blue_hazy_basic

How many hours are we talking about here? Because skill based games like fighting games and STGs suck away tons of hours.

100 hours for one campaign? It's really hard to say what games have more hours of gameplay as it completely depends on the person. If you compete for a highscore in STGs it can easily cost more than 600 hours, fighting games take a lot of time to play professionally too. Even older games like Metal Slug 3 took this guy more than a year of on and off gameplay to 1CC it.

I do believe the average PC game is longer, but depending on the person console games can be very long.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="Yangire"]

How many hours are we talking about here? Because skill based games like fighting games and STGs suck away tons of hours.

Yangire

100 hours for one campaign? It's really hard to say what games have more hours of gameplay as it completely depends on the person. If you compete for a highscore in STGs it can easily cost more than 600 hours, fighting games take a lot of time to play professionally too. Even older games like Metal Slug 3 took this guy more than a year of on and off gameplay to 1CC it.

I do believe the average PC game is longer, but depending on the person console games can be very long.

500 hours into Demon's Souls and 100 into Peace Walker. Closing in on 100 for Gods Eater Burst.

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] Oblivion was a hold you by the hand game and the level scaling was as much because console players couldn't get to grips with combat or finding dungeons where they got flattened. The Beth boards were lit up with console players crying and screaming.blue_hazy_basic

You make it seem as though Morrowind's combat was deep, fun, rewarding, or even remotely good for that matter...

All in all, the only thing Oblivion did better than Morrowind was combat, which considering the fact that Oblivion combat was still among the worst this gen, really says something about Bethesda's poor implementation of combat.

Oh yeah and the awesome "If it wasn't for consoles PC would get better games", maybe so but far less of them if every game that suites the "high standards" of a hermit is anything like Witcher 2. Im all against shovelware and bad ports but when a perfectly good game is bashed by PC gamers and the developers take notice of it and have their own comment of "PC gamers are hard to please" then it's clear PC gamers standards are a bit too high.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="Yangire"]

How many hours are we talking about here? Because skill based games like fighting games and STGs suck away tons of hours.

100 hours for one campaign? It's really hard to say what games have more hours of gameplay as it completely depends on the person. If you compete for a highscore in STGs it can easily cost more than 600 hours, fighting games take a lot of time to play professionally too. Even older games like Metal Slug 3 took this guy more than a year of on and off gameplay to 1CC it.

I do believe the average PC game is longer, but depending on the person console games can be very long.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

You make it seem as though Morrowind's combat was deep, fun, rewarding, or even remotely good for that matter...

All in all, the only thing Oblivion did better than Morrowind was combat, which considering the fact that Oblivion combat was still among the worst this gen, really says something about Bethesda's poor implementation of combat.

Oh yeah and the awesome "If it wasn't for consoles PC would get better games", maybe so but far less of them if every game that suites the "high standards" of a hermit is anything like Witcher 2. Im all against shovelware and bad ports but when a perfectly good game is bashed by PC gamers and the developers take notice of it and have their own comment of "PC gamers are hard to please" then it's clear PC gamers standards are a bit too high.

[QUOTE="TheMoreYouOwn"]

Until pc's get Demon's Souls/Dark Souls...pc gaming is irrelevant.

blue_hazy_basic

But think of the mods would bump them up to AAA status on pc

[QUOTE="Yangire"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] It varies greatly on the game, faction, number of battles, but a 100 hrs a game is not uncommon and certainly could much last longer.blue_hazy_basic

100 hours for one campaign? It's really hard to say what games have more hours of gameplay as it completely depends on the person. If you compete for a highscore in STGs it can easily cost more than 600 hours, fighting games take a lot of time to play professionally too. Even older games like Metal Slug 3 took this guy more than a year of on and off gameplay to 1CC it.

I do believe the average PC game is longer, but depending on the person console games can be very long.

Sure, but the same could be said for games on any system. In theory you could also never finish the game, so this is all hypothetical/situational. I'm just saying in theory console games can be just as long as PC games. Mainly completionist, competitive, and challenge gamers will ever reach hundreds of hours in a console game but they still exist.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="Yangire"]

100 hours for one campaign? It's really hard to say what games have more hours of gameplay as it completely depends on the person. If you compete for a highscore in STGs it can easily cost more than 600 hours, fighting games take a lot of time to play professionally too. Even older games like Metal Slug 3 took this guy more than a year of on and off gameplay to 1CC it.

I do believe the average PC game is longer, but depending on the person console games can be very long.

Sure, but the same could be said for games on any system. In theory you could also never finish the game, so this is all hypothetical/situational. I'm just saying in theory console games can be just as long as PC games. Mainly completionist, competitive, and challenge gamers will ever reach hundreds of hours in a console game but they still exist.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]I enjoyed combat in Morrowind. Alot of people couldn't get to grips with the dice rolling element vs "I know i hit him, i can see where my sword went" mentality that console gamers **** about constantly on the boards. My point is not how good the games were/are but to give an example of console gamers complaining, where JohnF111 tried to insinuate it was a PC gamer phenomenom

Oh yeah and the awesome "If it wasn't for consoles PC would get better games", maybe so but far less of them if every game that suites the "high standards" of a hermit is anything like Witcher 2. Im all against shovelware and bad ports but when a perfectly good game is bashed by PC gamers and the developers take notice of it and have their own comment of "PC gamers are hard to please" then it's clear PC gamers standards are a bit too high.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="JohnF111"] I was meaning lately it's all PC gamers who are moaning, i've seen hundreds of threads "Consoles are now irrelevant" or "Consoles are now dead", those kinds of things, and in typical SW fashion there is always damage control about some console fanboy who makes a thread about how PC gaming is dying because retail games are slowing down in sales. You're in a thread about a hermit claiming consoles are now dead because of one mod. There are tonnes of similar threads "PC has mods, /thread" and many more.

Oh yeah and the awesome "If it wasn't for consoles PC would get better games", maybe so but far less of them if every game that suites the "high standards" of a hermit is anything like Witcher 2. Im all against shovelware and bad ports but when a perfectly good game is bashed by PC gamers and the developers take notice of it and have their own comment of "PC gamers are hard to please" then it's clear PC gamers standards are a bit too high.

JohnF111

How many games so far this year have had DRM issues?

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] Oblivion was a hold you by the hand game and the level scaling was as much because console players couldn't get to grips with combat or finding dungeons where they got flattened. The Beth boards were lit up with console players crying and screaming.blue_hazy_basic

You make it seem as though Morrowind's combat was deep, fun, rewarding, or even remotely good for that matter...

All in all, the only thing Oblivion did better than Morrowind was combat, which considering the fact that Oblivion combat was still among the worst this gen, really says something about Bethesda's poor implementation of combat.

I just know I was hitting those rats :cry:

[QUOTE="KalEl370"]I can't wait to play LA Noire tomorrow on my irrelevant console.kobedaGOAT

You mean the game that holds your hands during "investigations"? Combine that with poor combat , limited open world and you have another RS associated copy and paste job.....

so what your saying is that Arma 2 isn't worthwhile so you have to wait for user mods? I find that funny PC users always talk about mods...it comes down to a point that if mods are so worthwhile that means the original game isn't worthwhile...A mod should be a bonus the game it self being worthwhile the mod added sweetness...when Mods start becoming important then the original game isn't worthwhile anymore....which is kind of sad pc developers should just start making engines and giving them away for free or something.

[QUOTE="TheMoreYouOwn"]

Until pc's get Demon's Souls/Dark Souls...pc gaming is irrelevant.

Arach666

Until consoles get The Witcher 2 and Diablo 3...console gaming is irrelevant.

Both of which are a trillion times better than both DS games :P. Especially Diablo III :).

[QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] If you'd played Stainless Steel or Third Age mods for MTW2 you wouldn't say that. EIther of those has more hours of gameplay than any console game.blue_hazy_basic

animal crossing never ends

There are always plenty of zombie mods for Operation Flashpoint / ArmA / ArmA II.

real games>mods but this does look pretty good.

dontshackzmii

Some 'real games' are glorified mods.

Some nods get made into 'real games'.

'Real games' also = mods.

Logic error in your posts

so what your saying is that Arma 2 isn't worthwhile so you have to wait for user mods? I find that funny PC users always talk about mods...it comes down to a point that if mods are so worthwhile that means the original game isn't worthwhile...A mod should be a bonus the game it self being worthwhile the mod added sweetness...when Mods start becoming important then the original game isn't worthwhile anymore....which is kind of sad pc developers should just start making engines and giving them away for free or something.

WilliamRLBaker

Link to gameplay video

This is a mod for Arma 2 btw. So many people downplaying mods saying there's nothing that's worth it, and well here's your proof.

nintendog66

Wow, Zombies have really gone down hill.

How does that make consoles irrelevant?

Just looks like a zombie shooting gallery. Are there plans to add stuff like hunger, sleep, and water dependencies, other surivors, and maybe a sanity meter like Amnesia had? You know, things that would make it actually simulate the turmoil of a zombie apocalypse?

Kickinurass

Yeah that would be pretty awesome. The game looks good as a concept but if that's all there is, then it's a little bit underwhelming. Add in Co-op and the things you mentioned above and damn, it would be amazing.

Also not really a fan of having a jet lol but add in a Huey or other transport choppers at various points in the game (with limited fuel) and it would be cool as well.