ZombiU is getting really interesting....

[QUOTE="MSXBOX4EVER"]

It is difficult to discuss things with you because you don't read.

Here is a link to a post where you quote me saying this:

[QUOTE="MSXBOX4EVER"]but seriously - based on the sales number you suggested of 400K vs 8M - will you get 20x better experience with a playbase 20x larger? No. 5% better? Well, that's the question. x% better.Cranler

So there I am in your own post, saying that the % difference between a playerbase with a factor of 20x will be positive (better), and I leave it up to others - "x%". And this is what you just stated.

I dont understand why you cant accept that the larger the player base the better the p2p experience is.cranler

Well I do understand this because I said it, you just didn't read it.

When you combine this with your admitted agenda (It is fun to bash Wii U), and smeared credibility due to your earlier bullsh!t about the Wii U's 'sales numbers' being unimpressive - based on quite literally no data, well, this becomes pointless and quite frankly, I don't know what your deal is. If you were trying to upset me, meh, I'd guess you failed.

You will find that throughout our exchange, I certainly aim for honesty, even if you can find somewhere an example of dishonesty (which I doubt as my intentions were genuine and my research extensive), well I doubt I could've been as dishonest as you were, when claiming to have been unimpressed by something inaccessible. Just bollocks. I even admitted your point regarding "Wii U pre order allocation exhaution is meaningless without total sales data."

Just quote it:

Preorder numbers arent all that impressive. Not much better than 360 did and remember that MS hadnt built up a huge fanbase yet at that time. Demand for the 720 will be much higher.Cranler

you say pre order numbers aren't all that impressive. well then, you can probably find some numbers. please, find some numbers regarding how many pre orders there are for the wii u, not a statement by michael pachter. then i would love to discuss these numbers with youMSXBOX4EVER

Where are the Wii U Pre order numbers you formed an opinion of that they weren't impressive? (you won't find them) Where are the xbox 360 numbers? (you can find them) From what you said before, you should be able to show me two concrete numbers. A pre order quantity for the Wii U, and a pre order quantity for the Xbox 360. After all, the Wii U number will be 'not much better' than the 360.

[QUOTE="Cranler"]

[QUOTE="MSXBOX4EVER"]

So there I am in your own post, saying that the % difference between a playerbase with a factor of 20x will be positive (better), and I leave it up to others - "x%". And this is what you just stated.

[quote="cranler"]I dont understand why you cant accept that the larger the player base the better the p2p experience is.MSXBOX4EVER

Well I do understand this because I said it, you just didn't read it.

When you combine this with your admitted agenda (It is fun to bash Wii U), and smeared credibility due to your earlier bullsh!t about the Wii U's 'sales numbers' being unimpressive - based on quite literally no data, well, this becomes pointless and quite frankly, I don't know what your deal is. If you were trying to upset me, meh, I'd guess you failed.

You will find that throughout our exchange, I certainly aim for honesty, even if you can find somewhere an example of dishonesty (which I doubt as my intentions were genuine and my research extensive), well I doubt I could've been as dishonest as you were, when claiming to have been unimpressed by something inaccessible. Just bollocks. I even admitted your point regarding "Wii U pre order allocation exhaution is meaningless without total sales data."

Just quote it:

Preorder numbers arent all that impressive. Not much better than 360 did and remember that MS hadnt built up a huge fanbase yet at that time. Demand for the 720 will be much higher.Cranler

you say pre order numbers aren't all that impressive. well then, you can probably find some numbers. please, find some numbers regarding how many pre orders there are for the wii u, not a statement by michael pachter. then i would love to discuss these numbers with youMSXBOX4EVER

Where are the Wii U Pre order numbers you formed an opinion of that they weren't impressive? (you won't find them) Where are the xbox 360 numbers? (you can find them) From what you said before, you should be able to show me two concrete numbers. A pre order quantity for the Wii U, and a pre order quantity for the Xbox 360. After all, the Wii U number will be 'not much better' than the 360.

Dont know how to search "wiiu preorder 300k"?

According to wiki, 360 sold about 330k in the first 10 days in North America which isnt bad considering it was a followup to an overall failure.

[QUOTE="MSXBOX4EVER"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"] i said the preorder numbers werent impressive. You replied that if the source is pachter then its false so i didnt push it. Pachters estimates are 300 to 400k. I've played cod on platforms with big and small playerbase, you havent afaik. I have experience on the matter. Consolites have lower standards when it comes to lag. Saying so isnt bigotry lolCranler

Just quote it:

Preorder numbers arent all that impressive. Not much better than 360 did and remember that MS hadnt built up a huge fanbase yet at that time. Demand for the 720 will be much higher.Cranler

you say pre order numbers aren't all that impressive. well then, you can probably find some numbers. please, find some numbers regarding how many pre orders there are for the wii u, not a statement by michael pachter. then i would love to discuss these numbers with youMSXBOX4EVER

Where are the Wii U Pre order numbers you formed an opinion of that they weren't impressive? (you won't find them) Where are the xbox 360 numbers? (you can find them) From what you said before, you should be able to show me two concrete numbers. A pre order quantity for the Wii U, and a pre order quantity for the Xbox 360. After all, the Wii U number will be 'not much better' than the 360.

Dont know how to search "wiiu preorder 300k"?

According to wiki, 360 sold about 330k in the first 10 days in North America which isnt bad considering it was a followup to an overall failure.

You lied.

I won the p2p arguement.

You are not very good at this.

Good day.

[QUOTE="Cranler"]

[QUOTE="MSXBOX4EVER"]

Just quote it:

[quote="Cranler"]Preorder numbers arent all that impressive. Not much better than 360 did and remember that MS hadnt built up a huge fanbase yet at that time. Demand for the 720 will be much higher.MSXBOX4EVER

you say pre order numbers aren't all that impressive. well then, you can probably find some numbers. please, find some numbers regarding how many pre orders there are for the wii u, not a statement by michael pachter. then i would love to discuss these numbers with youMSXBOX4EVER

Where are the Wii U Pre order numbers you formed an opinion of that they weren't impressive? (you won't find them) Where are the xbox 360 numbers? (you can find them) From what you said before, you should be able to show me two concrete numbers. A pre order quantity for the Wii U, and a pre order quantity for the Xbox 360. After all, the Wii U number will be 'not much better' than the 360.

Dont know how to search "wiiu preorder 300k"?

According to wiki, 360 sold about 330k in the first 10 days in North America which isnt bad considering it was a followup to an overall failure.

You lied.

I won the p2p arguement.

You are not very good at this.

Good day.

[QUOTE="Davekeeh"]

The Last of Us is 10x more next gen than that garbage lol

p3anut

The Last of Us is not even a survivor horror :|

[QUOTE="MSXBOX4EVER"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"]You said yourself said that you wont go by anything Pachter said, thats why I didnt link it. How many times do i have to state that? What has he been wrong on in the past? But since youre grasping straws at this point and you gave up on the p2p argument here you go http://us.topnewstoday.org/us/article/3399708/

Dont know how to search "wiiu preorder 300k"?

According to wiki, 360 sold about 330k in the first 10 days in North America which isnt bad considering it was a followup to an overall failure.

Cranler

You lied.

I won the p2p arguement.

You are not very good at this.

Good day.

Wrong. Lag determinants are ubiquitous regardless of whether or not there is someone playing locally.

Wrong. Your scenarios model reality poorly and I explained why. You still haven't attempted my original model.

Wrong. You are making an assumption without knowing your opponent.

Face it, you lied, it's there in black and white. How can you be unimpressed by sales data you didn't see? That link you supplied, did you read it yourself? No. I don't think so. If you did, you would have supplied this link:http://www.examiner.com/article/analysts-300k-to-400k-wii-us-for-pre-order-nintendo-managing-supply-chain

As the link you supplied was just a little stub, and the real meat is there. On this page: "Michael Pachter of Wedbush Securities estimates that Nintendo allocated only 300,000 to 400,000 Wii U consoles for pre-orders and may have not even begun mass manufacturing yet." Estimates. Michael Pachter. Not nintendo, not sales data, not even NPD group.

You claimed to have formed an opinion about sales numbers when they're just not available. Michael Pachter plays a guessing game.

Thank you for the spelling correction. Both of our words hold equal weight. If you think your opinion is more valid than that of another, this is just another example of bigotry.

[QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

Not next gen, generic, gimmick, crap game on a crap console.

TheWalkingGhost

Irony would be a TRUE GAMER settling for this 2nd rate kiddy, corrupt, generic gimmick trash. :roll:

[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"][QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

Not next gen, generic, gimmick, crap game on a crap console.

Wiimotefan

Irony would be a TRUE GAMER settling for this 2nd rate kiddy, corrupt, generic gimmick trash. :roll:

You have Wiimotefan blatantly written as your user name, an avatar with Mario spinning on a moon and yet you call WiiU gimmicky crap console?

:lol:

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="MSXBOX4EVER"]

You lied.

I won the p2p arguement.

You are not very good at this.

Good day.

MSXBOX4EVER

Wrong. Lag determinants are ubiquitous regardless of whether or not there is someone playing locally.

Wrong. Your scenarios model reality poorly and I explained why. You still haven't attempted my original model.

Wrong. You are making an assumption without knowing your opponent.

Face it, you lied, it's there in black and white. How can you be unimpressed by sales data you didn't see? That link you supplied, did you read it yourself? No. I don't think so. If you did, you would have supplied this link:http://www.examiner.com/article/analysts-300k-to-400k-wii-us-for-pre-order-nintendo-managing-supply-chain

As the link you supplied was just a little stub, and the real meat is there. On this page: "Michael Pachter of Wedbush Securities estimates that Nintendo allocated only 300,000 to 400,000 Wii U consoles for pre-orders and may have not even begun mass manufacturing yet." Estimates. Michael Pachter. Not nintendo, not sales data, not even NPD group.

You claimed to have formed an opinion about sales numbers when they're just not available. Michael Pachter plays a guessing game.

Thank you for the spelling correction. Both of our words hold equal weight. If you think your opinion is more valid than that of another, this is just another example of bigotry.

[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"][QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

Not next gen, generic, gimmick, crap game on a crap console.

Wiimotefan

Irony would be a TRUE GAMER settling for this 2nd rate kiddy, corrupt, generic gimmick trash. :roll:

I have a feeling that this game will flop.

[QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"] HaHa. Irony.M8ingSeezun

Irony would be a TRUE GAMER settling for this 2nd rate kiddy, corrupt, generic gimmick trash. :roll:

You have Wiimotefan blatantly written as your user name, an avatar with Mario spinning on a moon and yet you call WiiU gimmicky crap console?

:lol:

I just call it how I see it! :roll:

[QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"] HaHa. Irony.LastRambo341

Irony would be a TRUE GAMER settling for this 2nd rate kiddy, corrupt, generic gimmick trash. :roll:

...eh, I cant keep this up. Too easy. Now at least I see why trolls love this board so much.

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

Irony would be a TRUE GAMER settling for this 2nd rate kiddy, corrupt, generic gimmick trash. :roll:

Wiimotefan

...eh, I cant keep this up. Too easy. Now at least I see why trolls love this board so much.

[QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"] HaHa. Irony.M8ingSeezun

Irony would be a TRUE GAMER settling for this 2nd rate kiddy, corrupt, generic gimmick trash. :roll:

You have Wiimotefan blatantly written as your user name, an avatar with Mario spinning on a moon and yet you call WiiU gimmicky crap console?

:lol:

Looks good to me. If I could get a guarantee Wii U would get other new M rated IPs I'd get one

[QUOTE="M8ingSeezun"]

[QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

Irony would be a TRUE GAMER settling for this 2nd rate kiddy, corrupt, generic gimmick trash. :roll:

TheWalkingGhost

You have Wiimotefan blatantly written as your user name, an avatar with Mario spinning on a moon and yet you call WiiU gimmicky crap console?

:lol:

I can honestly say, I'm amazed. I just spelled it out that I was just having fun with a couple of posts and you're still falling for it.

I can assure you I'm not a troll, though it seems I would be good at it from the reactions I just got over two blatantly obvious posts. All I did was repeat the crap I see on this board, but made it over the top ridiculous. Satire.

No I do not feel like some authority about "true gamers" as a matter of fact I don't even like that phrase. I do enjoy any gaming platform regardless of the input. And I already decided to get a WiiU day one.

You are fvcking dense, my friend. Congrats.

I read a quote recently. Something along the lines of...

"It is easier to deceive a person than it is to prove to them that they have been deceived."

Thanks for the reinforcement.

Now please, go get suckered by a real troll lol.

[QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"] Kiddy? Mass effect 3, zombiU, assassin creed 3, etc. Generic and gimmick? Know your defintionsTheWalkingGhost

...eh, I cant keep this up. Too easy. Now at least I see why trolls love this board so much.

...:(

Buddy you need to brush up on some reading comprehension. My god.

[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"][QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

...eh, I cant keep this up. Too easy. Now at least I see why trolls love this board so much.

Wiimotefan

...:(

Buddy you need to brush up on some reading comprehension. My god.

:lol:

Wiimote fan the Nintendo hating troll.

This board always manages to surprise me.

[QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"]HA! A troll calling other people trolls. You can't even defend your nonsense, just give it a rest.sandbox3d

...:(

Buddy you need to brush up on some reading comprehension. My god.

:lol:

Wiimote fan the Nintendo hating troll.

This board always manages to surprise me.

Honestly, I might start trolling. I never knew it could be so easy. :P

I thought my post was so obnoxious it could only be seen as satire, but apparently not.

[QUOTE="sandbox3d"]

[QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

...:(

Buddy you need to brush up on some reading comprehension. My god.

Wiimotefan

:lol:

Wiimote fan the Nintendo hating troll.

This board always manages to surprise me.

Honestly, I might start trolling. I never knew it could be so easy. :P

I thought my post was so obnoxious it could only be seen as satire, but apparently not.

When you called the game corrupt that should have thrown up some flags lol.

[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"][QUOTE="M8ingSeezun"]

You have Wiimotefan blatantly written as your user name, an avatar with Mario spinning on a moon and yet you call WiiU gimmicky crap console?

:lol:

Wiimotefan

I can honestly say, I'm amazed. I just spelled it out that I was just having fun with a couple of posts and you're still falling for it.

I can assure you I'm not a troll, though it seems I would be good at it from the reactions I just got over two blatantly obvious posts. All I did was repeat the crap I see on this board, but made it over the top ridiculous. Satire.

No I do not feel like some authority about "true gamers" as a matter of fact I don't even like that phrase. I do enjoy any gaming platform regardless of the input. And I already decided to get a WiiU day one.

You are fvcking dense, my friend. Congrats.

I read a quote recently. Something along the lines of...

"It is easier to deceive a person than it is to prove to them that they have been deceived."

Thanks for the reinforcement.

Now please, go get suckered by a real troll lol.

[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"][QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

...eh, I cant keep this up. Too easy. Now at least I see why trolls love this board so much.

Wiimotefan

...:(

Buddy you need to brush up on some reading comprehension. My god.

[QUOTE="sandbox3d"]

[QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

...:(

Buddy you need to brush up on some reading comprehension. My god.

Wiimotefan

:lol:

Wiimote fan the Nintendo hating troll.

This board always manages to surprise me.

Honestly, I might start trolling. I never knew it could be so easy. :P

I thought my post was so obnoxious it could only be seen as satire, but apparently not.

[QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"] He also has two Nintendo games in his sig. The guy is a troll, and who died and let him decide what a true gamer is? A true gamer isn't a fanboy and just enjoys good game regardless of the system and control input. He also doesn't know what irony means obviously, calling the WiiU gimmick trash while using the name Wiimotefan! TROLL!TheWalkingGhost

I can honestly say, I'm amazed. I just spelled it out that I was just having fun with a couple of posts and you're still falling for it.

I can assure you I'm not a troll, though it seems I would be good at it from the reactions I just got over two blatantly obvious posts. All I did was repeat the crap I see on this board, but made it over the top ridiculous. Satire.

No I do not feel like some authority about "true gamers" as a matter of fact I don't even like that phrase. I do enjoy any gaming platform regardless of the input. And I already decided to get a WiiU day one.

You are fvcking dense, my friend. Congrats.

I read a quote recently. Something along the lines of...

"It is easier to deceive a person than it is to prove to them that they have been deceived."

Thanks for the reinforcement.

Now please, go get suckered by a real troll lol.

I actually feel sorry for you at this point. :?

How are you not grasping this very simple thing? I will attempt spelling this out for you.... again.

1. I made a very over the top, obnoxious, troll post. One with views that completely collides with my actual views on Nintendo as anyone on this board can attest to. I thought it would literally be impossible for anyone to fall for it.
2. A couple of complete suckers took the bait, you being one of them. Even after saying "...eh, I cant keep this up. Too easy. Now at least I see why trolls love this board so much." which makes it extremely obvious that I was just messing around.
3. Yet you still continue to believe that I'm some anti Nintendo troll with an elitist attitude. Even despite my user name, my avi, my sig and the fact that I am very vocal about liking Nintendo, you continue to remain duped.

I really hope that isn't to complicated for ya little guy.

[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"][QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

I can honestly say, I'm amazed. I just spelled it out that I was just having fun with a couple of posts and you're still falling for it.

I can assure you I'm not a troll, though it seems I would be good at it from the reactions I just got over two blatantly obvious posts. All I did was repeat the crap I see on this board, but made it over the top ridiculous. Satire.

No I do not feel like some authority about "true gamers" as a matter of fact I don't even like that phrase. I do enjoy any gaming platform regardless of the input. And I already decided to get a WiiU day one.

You are fvcking dense, my friend. Congrats.

I read a quote recently. Something along the lines of...

"It is easier to deceive a person than it is to prove to them that they have been deceived."

Thanks for the reinforcement.

Now please, go get suckered by a real troll lol.

Wiimotefan

I actually feel sorry for you at this point. :?

How are you not grasping this very simple thing? I will attempt spelling this out for you.... again.

1. I made a very over the top, obnoxious, troll post. One with views that completely collides with my actual views on Nintendo as anyone on this board can attest to. I thought it would literally be impossible for anyone to fall for it.
2. A couple of complete suckers took the bait, you being one of them. Even after saying "...eh, I cant keep this up. Too easy. Now at least I see why trolls love this board so much." which makes it extremely obvious that I was just messing around.
3. Yet you still continue to believe that I'm some anti Nintendo troll with an elitist attitude. Even despite my user name, my avi, my sig and the fact that I am very vocal about liking Nintendo, you continue to remain duped.

I really hope that isn't to complicated for ya little guy.

Only good satire is noticeable, yours was so stupid I figured you were either a bad troll or an idiot. Based on your last few posts I think you are both. Hilarious thing is the only person that is falling for trolling is you. I also find it hilarious that my comment calling your post ironic went right over your head. Your post was ironic, if you know what that means.TheWalkingGhost

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]This game is looking like the true survival horror game experience that we never got this genMaroxad

Well. We got to play project Zomboid and DayZ. Alphas, but still.

Damn man lol. Do you not remember typing this?

The guy is a troll, and who died and let him decide what a true gamer is? A true gamer isn't a fanboy and just enjoys good game regardless of the system and control input. He also doesn't know what irony means obviously, calling the WiiU gimmick trash while using the name Wiimotefan! TROLL!TheWalkingGhost

Or this?

HA! A troll calling other people trolls. You can't even defend your nonsense, just give it a rest.TheWalkingGhost

Damn man lol. Do you not remember typing this?

[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"]The guy is a troll, and who died and let him decide what a true gamer is? A true gamer isn't a fanboy and just enjoys good game regardless of the system and control input. He also doesn't know what irony means obviously, calling the WiiU gimmick trash while using the name Wiimotefan! TROLL!Wiimotefan

Or this?

HA! A troll calling other people trolls. You can't even defend your nonsense, just give it a rest.TheWalkingGhost

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="MSXBOX4EVER"]

The game could already be running and you matchmake into it, I do it all the time.

How many gametypes? Jesus well even if there were 10 if you run the maths on my scenario there will still be a sufficient playerbase.

Yes, I changed my views to make them congruent with reality eg: wii u preorder allocation exhaustion (not the same as 'sold out') is not meaningful without total sales numbers.

One of the things you said:

[quote="Cranler"]Whether the guest would rather play on a tiny screen or not is up for debate.MSXBOX4EVER

PS3 launch is an example of supply/demand being handled very poorly, an extreme example. We need the actual sales numbers which we may not see for some time.

We may never know how ZombiU is a better game with a touch screen unless they make a version which doesn't require the touch screen.

If you cringe when you see that message, then I guess it's not a gameplay feature which is compelling for you.

Those assertions aren't true. What about bandwidth? What about physical proximity to the server? Latency to the server?

Please take a look at the numbers I used, suggest different numbers where appropriate, run a scenario, but seriously - based on the sales number you suggested of 400K vs 8M - will you get 20x better experience with a playbase 20x larger? No. 5% better? Well, that's the question. x% better.

Annoyingly (for me, not you), your statement was about the guest's tolerance for playing on the handheld, not your own. Though this is subjective.

It is true that no other console allows for two players on a first person shooter each with their own screen.

I thought my wall of text before was actually very fair, then you came back with many things which were already settled. Your discussion of the playerbase could also be rendered moot by mentioning Counter-Strike source. A game I still play on occasion on Steam. Incidentally I just checked - Just ~8300 players online. I do not suffer lag issues.

It's a ghost town outside of TDM. I seriously doubt there will be a huge spike of players after Christmas. This game will be doomed by lack of players. They should rename this game to "Black Ops 2: Team Death Match" http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/683297-call-of-duty-black-ops-ii/64731754

Did only 500 people buy this game? It's shocking how few players have this game. Why on earth didn't it sell? http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/683297-call-of-duty-black-ops-ii/64728264

We got 6 in the lobby. Join us and let's get a huge game going http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/683297-call-of-duty-black-ops-ii/64738831

Maybe they can wait in the lobby until the 30th when Europe gets the wiiu so they can have a lag free intercontinental game of ground war! :lol:

Sheep to the slaughterhouse :lol:

I bookmarked this thread, this is from Gamefaqs:

It's a ghost town outside of TDM. I seriously doubt there will be a huge spike of players after Christmas. This game will be doomed by lack of players. They should rename this game to "Black Ops 2: Team Death Match" http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/683297-call-of-duty-black-ops-ii/64731754

Did only 500 people buy this game? It's shocking how few players have this game. Why on earth didn't it sell? http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/683297-call-of-duty-black-ops-ii/64728264

We got 6 in the lobby. Join us and let's get a huge game going http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/683297-call-of-duty-black-ops-ii/64738831

Maybe they can wait in the lobby until the 30th when Europe gets the wiiu so they can have a lag free intercontinental game of ground war! :lol:

Cranler

Gosh, I really hate all the people that play NOTHING but Core Team Deathmatch.

700 people online and all of them on CORE Team freakin Deathmatch