Zune HD official pricing, $220 for 16GB, $289 for 32GB (56k)

[QUOTE="smartcriminal"]

Ipods are great devices and there is nothing that rivals them in features and integration and ease of use

TBoogy

Features, if you mean APPS, sure. Integration? Maybe if you don't use a PC. They are too close to call on that point though. Ease of use? As many have said, the Zune's software is more user friendly. Almost anyone I know that has both (including my best friend, who had the Touch first) says Zune is the better MP3 player. The subscription service ($15 for unlimited access and 10 downloads that you own) is great for people who love music, and aren't pirates. Now add a HD Radio and MS's great movie support through LIVE(for themusic lover's that are also movie buffs) and it is easy to see why so many people love it. It has little to do with being a "Microsoft fanboy". It's about being an educated consumer. There have ALWAYS been better mp3 players out there than Ipods.

Ok preference comes in for the ease of use and preference of the way it looks and runs. Dont know about the subscription service, as 1.) Anyone who doesnt live in the US usually gets screwed on pricing. 2.) Im not going to download music every month. Apples store pricing is great and is comparable around the world and is now DRM free. Apple has music stores around the world. Apple has a massive movie/tv show store

[QUOTE="smartcriminal"]

Comparing should happen after Apples September 7th event, were new iPod touches will be revealed at new price points. Also who the hell touts HD radio? You have a music player with all your music on it. 720p? there are better mini devices that have more storage and can output 720p. No mac support. You can tell the Microsoft fan boys, who automatically diss the Ipods. Ipods are great devices and there is nothing that rivals them in features and integration and ease of use

mattacular

If your using itunes on Vista i understand, use itunes on Windows 7 and Xp and it works fine. Will see about the surpassing when the new iPod touches come out. And over 100 million ipods sold, are you calling all those people fanboys?

also, question, whats the point of getting an iPod touch? why carry your phone and an iPod touch, when you can easily get an iPhone. which is more or less the same, difference is, it adds the phone feature.xxThyLordxx

for those that dont want an iphone and just want a music player.

[QUOTE="smartcriminal"]

Ipods are great devices and there is nothing that rivals them in features and integration and ease of use

Features, if you mean APPS, sure. Integration? Maybe if you don't use a PC. They are too close to call on that point though. Ease of use? As many have said, the Zune's software is more user friendly. Almost anyone I know that has both (including my best friend, who had the Touch first) says Zune is the better MP3 player. The subscription service ($15 for unlimited access and 10 downloads that you own) is great for people who love music, and aren't pirates. Now add a HD Radio and MS's great movie support through LIVE(for themusic lover's that are also movie buffs) and it is easy to see why so many people love it. It has little to do with being a "Microsoft fanboy". It's about being an educated consumer. There have ALWAYS been better mp3 players out there than Ipods.

lol only 32G for a hd player :lol: i'd and so pricy to i'd much rather get a archos 5 220$ for a 160G and 250$ for 250G on amazon.com

http://www.amazon.com/Archos-160-Internet-Media-Tablet/dp/B001U0O7LC/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1250210652&sr=8-2

http://www.amazon.com/Archos-250-Internet-Media-Tablet/dp/B001D0E4DA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1250210652&sr=8-1

[QUOTE="mattacular"]

[QUOTE="smartcriminal"]

Comparing should happen after Apples September 7th event, were new iPod touches will be revealed at new price points. Also who the hell touts HD radio? You have a music player with all your music on it. 720p? there are better mini devices that have more storage and can output 720p. No mac support. You can tell the Microsoft fan boys, who automatically diss the Ipods. Ipods are great devices and there is nothing that rivals them in features and integration and ease of use

If your using itunes on Vista i understand, use itunes on Windows 7 and Xp and it works fine. Will see about the surpassing when the new iPod touches come out. And over 100 million ipods sold, are you calling all those people fanboys?

[QUOTE="xxThyLordxx"]also, question, whats the point of getting an iPod touch? why carry your phone and an iPod touch, when you can easily get an iPhone. which is more or less the same, difference is, it adds the phone feature.smartcriminal

for those that dont want an iphone and just want a music player.

lol only 32G for a hd player :lol: i'd and so pricy to i'd much rather get a archos 5 220$ for a 160G and 250$ for 250G on amazon.com

http://www.amazon.com/Archos-160-Internet-Media-Tablet/dp/B001U0O7LC/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1250210652&sr=8-2

http://www.amazon.com/Archos-250-Internet-Media-Tablet/dp/B001D0E4DA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1250210652&sr=8-1

johnny27

[QUOTE="smartcriminal"]

[QUOTE="mattacular"] Blah blah blah and you can tell the Ipod fanboys they act like following Apple is a religion and nothing can compare to their godly ipod.itunes is a horrible piece of software that i hate using on my computer and there are devices out there than are better than the ipods and cheaper too. I would rather have my sansa clip than the ipod shuffle, the Ipod classic is outclassed by the Zune 120 (just ask cnet) and it looks like the ipod touch is about to be surpassed by this new Zune. I'd rather not pay more for an overrated brand name and have the benefit of not having to use the god awful i-tunes.

mattacular

If your using itunes on Vista i understand, use itunes on Windows 7 and Xp and it works fine. Will see about the surpassing when the new iPod touches come out. And over 100 million ipods sold, are you calling all those people fanboys?

So because they bought something that YOU dont like or think is crap they automatically dont know better? Thats like saying all those people who bought Wii's dont know any better. I know better and i love the integration and the features of my touch, i guess its got to do with the fact that i run it on an awesome OS

Ok preference comes in for the ease of use and preference of the way it looks and runs. Dont know about the subscription service, as 1.) Anyone who doesnt live in the US usually gets screwed on pricing. 2.) Im not going to download music every month. Apples store pricing is great and is comparable around the world and is now DRM free. Apple has music stores around the world. Apple has a massive movie/tv show store

smartcriminal

No it isnt. iTunes pricing is some of the worst out there. The Zune Pas subscription allows unlimited downloads. For a casual music listener or a heavy music fan, the Zune Pass is a considerably better deal than anything iTunes has to offer.

[QUOTE="smartcriminal"]

[QUOTE="xxThyLordxx"]also, question, whats the point of getting an iPod touch? why carry your phone and an iPod touch, when you can easily get an iPhone. which is more or less the same, difference is, it adds the phone feature.xxThyLordxx

for those that dont want an iphone and just want a music player.

Fair enough, but you may not like the iPhone and say may like a Motorola, if you like a Motorola or whatever, why should you go and buy a phone you dont want. I have an iPhone and a touch. The touch is used in my car and for sitting outside, i use my iPhone for music at work or when im at the gym

[QUOTE="smartcriminal"]

Ok preference comes in for the ease of use and preference of the way it looks and runs. Dont know about the subscription service, as 1.) Anyone who doesnt live in the US usually gets screwed on pricing. 2.) Im not going to download music every month. Apples store pricing is great and is comparable around the world and is now DRM free. Apple has music stores around the world. Apple has a massive movie/tv show store

XaosII

No it isnt. iTunes pricing is some of the worst out there. The Zune Pas subscription allows unlimited downloads. For a casual music listener or a heavy music fan, the Zune Pass is a considerably better deal than anything iTunes has to offer.

Itunes library is bigger then the Zune marketplace. You have nice prices in the US but every where else in the world gets screwed with pricing.

Some people want separate devices for phones and music. Lets say you're a business person who takes alot of calls but loves portable music devices.....do you want your mp3 player eating up your phone battery?

[QUOTE="mattacular"][QUOTE="smartcriminal"]

If your using itunes on Vista i understand, use itunes on Windows 7 and Xp and it works fine. Will see about the surpassing when the new iPod touches come out. And over 100 million ipods sold, are you calling all those people fanboys?

So because they bought something that YOU dont like or think is crap they automatically dont know better? Thats like saying all those people who bought Wii's dont know any better. I know better and i love the integration and the features of my touch, i guess its got to do with the fact that i run it on an awesome OS

[QUOTE="smartcriminal"]

[QUOTE="mattacular"] No those are people who know no better, the people who buy an Ipod to be 'cool' or see it as a fashion accessory. So even though Apple has revealed nothing of the new ipods it is already better than the Zune HD. you= fanboy.mattacular

So because they bought something that YOU dont like or think is crap they automatically dont know better? Thats like saying all those people who bought Wii's dont know any better. I know better and i love the integration and the features of my touch, i guess its got to do with the fact that i run it on an awesome OS

It only seems like Apple is a cult when someone like yourself says things like you just did... "you people". People have preferences, and because Apple hasn't been the mainstream computer, and OSX isnt the mainstream operating system their users are idiots who like to buy overpriced computers and sit in panera bread on their laptop for hours......

[QUOTE="mattacular"][QUOTE="smartcriminal"]

So because they bought something that YOU dont like or think is crap they automatically dont know better? Thats like saying all those people who bought Wii's dont know any better. I know better and i love the integration and the features of my touch, i guess its got to do with the fact that i run it on an awesome OS

It only seems like Apple is a cult when someone like yourself says things like you just did... "you people". People have preferences, and because Apple hasn't been the mainstream computer, and OSX isnt the mainstream operating system their users are idiots who like to buy overpriced computers and sit in panera bread on their laptop for hours......

[QUOTE="smartcriminal"]

[QUOTE="mattacular"] No those are people who know no better, the people who buy an Ipod to be 'cool' or see it as a fashion accessory. So even though Apple has revealed nothing of the new ipods it is already better than the Zune HD. you= fanboy.mattacular

So because they bought something that YOU dont like or think is crap they automatically dont know better? Thats like saying all those people who bought Wii's dont know any better. I know better and i love the integration and the features of my touch, i guess its got to do with the fact that i run it on an awesome OS

I agree with the Wii comment, i was just hoping some Wii owners would come in and do their deffence thing. But if it's clear that im an Apple fanboy and anything you say wont make a difference, then its clear that your an Apple hater/Microsoft Fanboy and anything i say wont make a difference. Its almost like a cult with you haters. Oh and im running Windows 7 and OS X and Itunes runs awesome on both, with a shared library between them of 1.85 TB, so maybe its your computer.

See what i did therE?

[QUOTE="Uptown"]

[QUOTE="mattacular"] Lol well there is a strong argument to be made that a large proportion of wii users don't know any better so your point helps rather than disputes my point. Just look at the latest usage stats for the consoles. Anyway it's clear that you are an Apple fanboy and anything I say won't make a difference. It's almost like a cult with you people. oh and i'm running on Windows 7 and i still think i tunes is a piece of crap.mattacular

It only seems like Apple is a cult when someone like yourself says things like you just did... "you people". People have preferences, and because Apple hasn't been the mainstream computer, and OSX isnt the mainstream operating system their users are idiots who like to buy overpriced computers and sit in panera bread on their laptop for hours......

of course you don't. Don't say Apple is a "cult" when you have no idea what you're talking about. Microsoft fanboys are just as ignorant as Apple fanboys. It goes both ways, but because MS has been in the dominant position they feel they could bully around Apple users. I see this all the time on CNET, Engadget etc forums where any Apple news is bombarded by Microsoft trolls

[QUOTE="Uptown"]

[QUOTE="mattacular"] Lol well there is a strong argument to be made that a large proportion of wii users don't know any better so your point helps rather than disputes my point. Just look at the latest usage stats for the consoles. Anyway it's clear that you are an Apple fanboy and anything I say won't make a difference. It's almost like a cult with you people. oh and i'm running on Windows 7 and i still think i tunes is a piece of crap.mattacular

It only seems like Apple is a cult when someone like yourself says things like you just did... "you people". People have preferences, and because Apple hasn't been the mainstream computer, and OSX isnt the mainstream operating system their users are idiots who like to buy overpriced computers and sit in panera bread on their laptop for hours.....

he said your being ignorant and your comments are miss-informed

[QUOTE="smartcriminal"]

[QUOTE="xxThyLordxx"]also, question, whats the point of getting an iPod touch? why carry your phone and an iPod touch, when you can easily get an iPhone. which is more or less the same, difference is, it adds the phone feature.xxThyLordxx

for those that dont want an iphone and just want a music player.

I would buy an iPhone if it was available for verizon wireless instead of att. That reason alone is why I would get a touch, but I plan on getting the Zune instead.

Awesome, can't wait to get it. I've had the Zune 80 since launch and the thing has served me well, haven't had any problems with it. Interface is fast, quality is great, and software is much easier to use then Itunes. I also have Zune Pass, which I love. Unlimited downloads, where you get to keep 10 per month with 99% of the songs having no DRM.

Awesome, can't wait to get it. I've had the Zune 80 since launch and the thing has served me well, haven't had any problems with it. Interface is fast, quality is great, and software is much easier to use then Itunes. I also have Zune Pass, which I love. Unlimited downloads, where you get to keep 10 per month with 99% of the songs having no DRM.

HotRevolver

Can you explain the unlimited downloads where you get to keep 10 per month?

Do you mean you can download whatever you want, but your only able to keep 10?

I don't get why they don't give up on the Zune...

Even if they make one better than an iPod, no one will get it because people love the brand name "iPod".

[QUOTE="xxThyLordxx"][QUOTE="smartcriminal"]

for those that dont want an iphone and just want a music player.

FireEmblem_Man

I would buy an iPhone if it was available for verizon wireless instead of att. That reason alone is why I would get a touch, but I plan on getting the Zune instead.

I'd consider it for Sprint. ATT and Verizon are too expensive for plans.

A iphone on Sprints "Everything Data Plan" for $69.99 a month would be cool. As it stands, I have to wait for the Palm Pree to get more App support. They won one battle though, Pre is capatible with the Google Voice service. Apple has blocked it out. Hmm, maybe I wouldn't get an iPhone even on Sprint, now that I think about it.

[QUOTE="FireEmblem_Man"]

[QUOTE="xxThyLordxx"] do you honestly think that is wise? like I said, iPhone = iPod touch + Phone so why not get the iPhone? why carry two separate devices. buying an iPod touch is like buying a car without the engine, then going to another dealer to buy the engine, you might as well buy the whole package, more so, you save money. just my opinion though.TBoogy

I would buy an iPhone if it was available for verizon wireless instead of att. That reason alone is why I would get a touch, but I plan on getting the Zune instead.

I'd consider it for Sprint. ATT and Verizon are too expensive for plans.

A iphone on Sprints "Everything Data Plan" for $69.99 a month would be cool. As it stands, I have to wait for the Palm Pree to get more App support. They won one battle though, Pre is capatible with the Google Voice service. Apple has blocked it out. Hmm, maybe I wouldn't get an iPhone even on Sprint, now that I think about it.

TBH, I would really prefer Nextel if they weren't bought by Sprint...

On topic, Subrosian once said if they can make an exclusive Halo game for the Zune, then it can possibly sell a lot of hot cakes.

I don't get why they don't give up on the Zune...

Even if they make one better than an iPod, no one will get it because people love the brand name "iPod".

awssk8er716

[QUOTE="HotRevolver"]

Awesome, can't wait to get it. I've had the Zune 80 since launch and the thing has served me well, haven't had any problems with it. Interface is fast, quality is great, and software is much easier to use then Itunes. I also have Zune Pass, which I love. Unlimited downloads, where you get to keep 10 per month with 99% of the songs having no DRM.

smartcriminal

Can you explain the unlimited downloads where you get to keep 10 per month?

Do you mean you can download whatever you want, but your only able to keep 10?

How many do they have to sell to make a profit vs. the cost of advertising and R&D. I would suspect they have already passed that point, so why not sell them? It's not like its a game console; they are not selling at a loss. Every one sold is profit. Not to mention, when the users subscribe to Zune Pass. (Note: MS only cares about Zune AND 360 because they want you to get a service subscription on both, or at least buy some movies and such from time to time.)

Wow that sucks with the unlimited thing, so at the end of it you can keep 10 tracks. So it works out to be $1.50 per track, when you could have gotten it originally for $1 or $1.24 from the Zune Marketplace or $.69 - $1.69 from the apple stoe

[QUOTE="HotRevolver"]

Awesome, can't wait to get it. I've had the Zune 80 since launch and the thing has served me well, haven't had any problems with it. Interface is fast, quality is great, and software is much easier to use then Itunes. I also have Zune Pass, which I love. Unlimited downloads, where you get to keep 10 per month with 99% of the songs having no DRM.

smartcriminal

Can you explain the unlimited downloads where you get to keep 10 per month?

Do you mean you can download whatever you want, but your only able to keep 10?

I'm kind of drunk, so please fogive me if I don't make any sense. But this is hot it works:

As long as you keep paying for Zune pass, all the music you've downloaded will work, no matter what. If you stop paying, your licesne (DRM) runs out in a months time for all songs, and are unable to be played. With the keep 10 a month thing, no matter if you stop paying for Zune Pass, those songs will work becauuse either the songs you have are in MP3 format (no DRM, which is 99% of the content on the marketplace) or in .WMA format (it's DRM, but you have an unlimited license). Pretty simple, pretty awesome IMO.

[QUOTE="HotRevolver"]

Awesome, can't wait to get it. I've had the Zune 80 since launch and the thing has served me well, haven't had any problems with it. Interface is fast, quality is great, and software is much easier to use then Itunes. I also have Zune Pass, which I love. Unlimited downloads, where you get to keep 10 per month with 99% of the songs having no DRM.

smartcriminal

Can you explain the unlimited downloads where you get to keep 10 per month?

Do you mean you can download whatever you want, but your only able to keep 10?

You can download as many songs as you want on your PC, Zune, or 360 (in an upcoming update). They can only be played on that PC, Zune, or 360. However, each month you are subscribed for you get to remove any form of DRM on 10 songs making them usable on any device or computer. Songs are normally $1.00 each without the Zune Pass. In essence, the service costs only $5.00 a month as you get 10 "free" songs worth $1.00 each.

lol only 32G for a hd player :lol: i'd and so pricy to i'd much rather get a archos 5 220$ for a 160G and 250$ for 250G on amazon.com

http://www.amazon.com/Archos-160-Internet-Media-Tablet/dp/B001U0O7LC/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1250210652&sr=8-2

http://www.amazon.com/Archos-250-Internet-Media-Tablet/dp/B001D0E4DA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1250210652&sr=8-1

johnny27

Wow that sucks with the unlimited thing, so at the end of it you can keep 10 tracks. So it works out to be $1.50 per track, when you could have gotten it originally for $1 or $1.24 from the Zune Marketplace or $.69 - $1.69 from the apple stoe

smartcriminal

No, you are getting 10 tracks for 10 bucks per month, and getting access to millions of other stuff for $5. At least thats how I see it.

[QUOTE="johnny27"]

lol only 32G for a hd player :lol: i'd and so pricy to i'd much rather get a archos 5 220$ for a 160G and 250$ for 250G on amazon.com

http://www.amazon.com/Archos-160-Internet-Media-Tablet/dp/B001U0O7LC/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1250210652&sr=8-2

http://www.amazon.com/Archos-250-Internet-Media-Tablet/dp/B001D0E4DA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1250210652&sr=8-1

munu9

I wanted one of these for a while, but there are a lot of accessories to buy to get it to do what I want it to.

I have since changed my mind to a Dell Netbook that has a TV Tuner built in.

Also lastly, I hope you all know that the Creative Zii ****s on all other MP3 players. It's not even close. The only concern is the battery life, but I pray to god that the consumer version of this ends up having almost all these features:

http://www.dapreview.net/news.php?extend.4590

EwwFanboys

[QUOTE="svetzenlether"]

You've given me an opportunity and I have to take it...

LOL @ the Zune!!

...because we ALL know whenever you've a chance to laugh at the Zune, you've gotta take it!!

-RocBoys9489-

Yes, yes it is...

Thats almost the same price as the psp go, wow.

Zune 120 >>> iPod Classic

Zune 4/8 > iPod Nano

iPod Touch > Zune HD

thats mad pricey is it atleast touch screen or is it just hd. How big is the screen compared to i pod touch.

[QUOTE="awssk8er716"]

I don't get why they don't give up on the Zune...

Even if they make one better than an iPod, no one will get it because people love the brand name "iPod".

xxThyLordxx

thats mad pricey is it atleast touch screen or is it just hd. How big is the screen compared to i pod touch.

Rza_rectah

thats mad pricey is it atleast touch screen or is it just hd. How big is the screen compared to i pod touch.